Forum Transparency

[Oceania]

transparency without judgement would be ideal. but it'll have to be gradual.

[Ray]

Great idea, but I don't think that would go over too well. Besides, people would still use email to do these things, like send out DFTT alerts and such nonsense.

[akar]

I agree, I do not think it is going to work here because we are still surrounded by a lot of 3D STS energy, within and externally. But once you make it to 4D, there is no choice, everyone can see everything and therefore you already start since the beginning with those "rules". Can't imagine how to implement this right now, despite I like the idea, but it seems to conflict with the energies that are still around us most of the time.

[norral]

i see 3d entirely differently. we are not in 3d because we are lacking something. we are in 3d because this is the game we have agreed to play at this time for whatever reason. our oversoul sent us here in order to gain experiences and to have energy exchanges. and we agreed to accept the limitations of 3d. we arent lacking anything or deficient or trying to get better in order to graduate. a lot on the board are from 6d maybe 7d so we dont need to graduate from 3d . this is all a game that we are playing here and we have come to play, to help , to experience , to learn. but we are definitely not deficient. might i even say that even those we dont like are not deficient. they are all part of the game too. at the level of the oversoul things are seen entirely differently.
of course we get caught up in the illusion that we are some limited being here all alone isolated on a planet of limitations. but there is a part of us that always know and understands how grand we really are. i would consider 3d an in breath as far as life experience goes and i would think our next excursions into projecting our souls will be an outbreath. it will be expansive, maybe we will be creators of galaxies and planets at a cosmic level, but i dont believe that lives run in series, we have different experiences , this planet is one of limitations. next time when we are creating planets we will have this experience to color our beings, and to interject compassion. it is all a game and a very good one because many times we forget that it is.

norral

[Oceania]

transparency will emerge more and more as we begin to see more of ourselves and others. it'll seem silly to lie after everyone is empathic.

[zenmaster]

The assumption of what 4D is like is a "lie". However for now, we do have the potential to know what 3D is like.

[Cyan]

If you get to 4th D by knowing that you dont know then how can you know what 4th D is like.

*sits and ponders*

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Could this indicate that pondering what the 4th D is like is 3rd D.

[Tenet Nosce]

It looks like it bears worth repeating (again) that full transparency of the forum wasn't an actual suggestion, but was made to be a discussion point.

Seems to me at this point, if we were right now handed one-way tickets to 4D we would all have to decline on account of:

1. Transparency of thought is too uncomfortable, and would feel like the "thought police" were in effect.
2. It is normal "human nature" to gossip and trash-talk one another, therefore unavoidable.
3. The idea of open, honest communication feels "fear based".
4. People are too judgmental to be transparent with each other.
5. People aren't loving enough to be transparent with each other.
6. People aren't honest enough to be transparent with each other.
7. We just plain don't really like the idea.

So, there we have it. Now we know why we are here. It has something to do with actually preferring an environment where we can harbor secret thoughts and behave pejoratively toward other-selves. Basically, we like playing "hide n seek" with each other.

No right or wrong about this. No judgement. It's just where we're at right now. When we're ready to get serious about moving on to a different environment, Ra's timeless advice will still be awaiting our employment.

Questioner: What I am trying to get at is how these disciplines affect the energy centers and the power of the white magician. Will you tell me how that works?

Ra: I am Ra. The heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator.

The third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves. In relation to the pursuit of the magical working the continuing discipline of the personality involves the adept in knowing itself, accepting itself, and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the Creator. To become the Creator is to become all that there is. There is then no personality in the sense with which the adept begins its learn/teaching. As the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystalline, more work may be done; more may be expressed from intelligent infinity.

[zenmaster]

It looks like it bears worth repeating (again) that full transparency of the forum wasn't an actual suggestion, but was made to be a discussion point.

Seems to me at this point, if we were right now handed one-way tickets to 4D we would all have to decline on account of:

1. Transparency of thought is too uncomfortable, and would feel like the "thought police" were in effect.
2. It is normal "human nature" to gossip and trash-talk one another, therefore unavoidable.
3. The idea of open, honest communication feels "fear based".
4. People are too judgmental to be transparent with each other.
5. People aren't loving enough to be transparent with each other.
6. People aren't honest enough to be transparent with each other.
7. We just plain don't really like the idea.

So, there we have it. Now we know why we are here. It has something to do with actually preferring an environment where we can harbor secret thoughts and behave pejoratively toward other-selves. Basically, we like playing "hide n seek" with each other.

No right or wrong about this. No judgement. It's just where we're at right now. When we're ready to get serious about moving on to a different environment, Ra's timeless advice will still be awaiting our employment.

Questioner: What I am trying to get at is how these disciplines affect the energy centers and the power of the white magician. Will you tell me how that works?

Ra: I am Ra. The heart of the discipline of the personality is threefold. One, know yourself. Two, accept yourself. Three, become the Creator.

The third step is that step which, when accomplished, renders one the most humble servant of all, transparent in personality and completely able to know and accept other-selves. In relation to the pursuit of the magical working the continuing discipline of the personality involves the adept in knowing itself, accepting itself, and thus clearing the path towards the great indigo gateway to the Creator. To become the Creator is to become all that there is. There is then no personality in the sense with which the adept begins its learn/teaching. As the consciousness of the indigo ray becomes more crystalline, more work may be done; more may be expressed from intelligent infinity.

Yes, but you are false-framing 4D in order to make a 3D point. You are attempting to contrast 3D condition and behavior with some whimsical fantasy condition and behavior. Your one-way ticket idea is disingenuous.

[Tenet Nosce]

Yes, but you are false-framing 4D in order to make a 3D point.

Doesn't the material say that thoughts are transparent in 4D? Maybe I misread.

You are attempting to contrast 3D condition and behavior with some whimsical fantasy condition and behavior.

What is the "whimsical fantasy condition" you have in mind?

Your one-way ticket idea is disingenuous.

How so?

[Oceania]

i had the same thoughts Tenet. we're too judgemental. the openness goes hand in hand with acceptance.

[zenmaster]

Yes, but you are false-framing 4D in order to make a 3D point.

Doesn't the material say that thoughts are transparent in 4D? Maybe I misread.

They are not transparent in the 3D sense. It's not like the "3D mind, but with transparency" as you are trying to portray. That's like saying God resides on a cloud and using such a premise as an explanation of how God is omniscient. And then logically determining that since we are keeping ourselves below cloud level, we too can not be similarly omniscient.

You are attempting to contrast 3D condition and behavior with some whimsical fantasy condition and behavior.

What is the "whimsical fantasy condition" you have in mind?

Your idea of whatever 4D consciousness entails, which you are tying to use as some kind of an example.

Your one-way ticket idea is disingenuous.

How so?

As in an inauthentic depiction used as an example to make a point. Since you are not 4D, you are necessarily projecting your desired attributes of "4D" which necessarily fail to support any meaningful concept of transparency in a social condition as it would pertain to 4D.

[Oceania]

how do you know Tenet doesn't remember 4D?

[zenmaster]

how do you know Tenet doesn't remember 4D?

same reason I know you don't (and can't).

[Oceania]

that's a bit weird to assume that. i remember parts of higher dimensions and i definitely CAN.

it's unscientific to assume someone else can't do something YOU can't do.

[zenmaster]

that's a bit weird to assume that. i remember parts of higher dimensions and i definitely CAN.

it's unscientific to assume someone else can't do something YOU can't do.

"unscientific". Vague notions merely suggest a preference when given a choice. But go ahead an exaggerate the notion to call it an actual remembrance with all the utility that entails- meanwhile back in reality.

[Tenet Nosce]

how do you know Tenet doesn't remember 4D?

same reason I know you don't (and can't).

Then, by that logic, neither can you. So therefore, you are in no better position to evaluate the accuracy of my assertion than anybody else. The most you could say is- we don't really know.

All we have to go on is the depiction in the material, which says:

The early fourth density is one of the most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. Always the fourth-density effects of telepathy and the transparency of thought are attempted to be used for the sake of those at the apex of the power structure.

Here they are talking about the 4D-negative experience, however I took the reference to "telepathy and the transparency of thought" as applicable to 4D in general. Do you have a different read?

Also:

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of a type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thoughts of other-selves; it is a plane where one is aware of the vibrations of other-selves;

Also:

The fourth density is one of revealed information. Selves are not hidden to self or other-selves.

[zenmaster]

All we have to go on is the depiction in the material,

No. We have our 3D experience to go on. This is a developmental, "incarnational nexus" after all. If you apprehend that there is a better way, the teach/learn method would be to flush out why its better - then provide a bridge from current paradigm to an actual one based on your own experience. Too much difficult work?

This post reminds me of this similar contrivance: http://iasos.com/metaphys/3d-4d/

[reeay]

Before we could do this on a forum level, why not try to do it in our own self. Be transparant within.

Could we communicate with own self with this level of transparency?

Would we be responsible for what we communicate?

Would we be responsible for our own reactions?

[Ashim]

Telepathy is the norm in galactic society.
Sure it can feel uncomfortable when an entity looks you in the eyes and can peer into the depths of your beingness and know you better than you know ownself.
You get used to it.
If you would like to access infinite wisdom then this opening of oneself to oneself could be seen as a token price to pay.
4D is a gateway density consisting of vibrational rooms. Three dimensions of time to move in whilst being in one place. Space moves around you. You fold space.

[norral]

i disagree tenet . from your posts i get the feeling we dont "deserve" to be in 4d because of one shortcoming or the other. the way i see it whatever shortcomings there are are inherent to 3d. the creator made 3d like this with certain limitations and shortcomings. so if anyone is responsible for limitations it is the creator if u want to place blame somewhere. what u are saying sounds like what i used to hear in church all the time " we are not worthy because" and then fill in the blanks. no one could every be worthy and we were always beggars trying to be perfect because some judgemental god was just waiting for us to trip up. that is what drove me from church i said if god is like this who needs god because u can never make god happy unless u are absolutely perfect.
we are here in 3d because we chose to come here and help . for someone to place a judgement on what is acceptable or not is just that a judgement. i mean who can say. certainly not i. but i absolutely refuse to put limitations on someone or say the reason u have this condition is because this this and this. i dont know why people have conditions there are a million reasons why. why do i have conditions i dont know i just do. but i most certainly do love myself and i love myself on my worst days. because at my core and at the core of each one is something really wonderful. and that is my basic belief . at our core we are indescribable. and that is what i would say to anyone and everyone . u are beautiful

norral

bob marley - is this love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHekNnySAfM

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you norral for saying that we are beautiful. Means a lot.

[norral]

i always speak the truth dear brother. hugs to u

[Spaced]

Before we could do this on a forum level, why not try to do it in our own self. Be transparant within.

Could we communicate with own self with this level of transparency?

Would we be responsible for what we communicate?

Would we be responsible for our own reactions?

Bingo, if you can cultivate an attitude of transparency towards yourself then naturally you will assume a transparent attitude towards others.

[Horuseus]

Speaking of which, what happenned to Shin'Ar?

[Ray]

Before we could do this on a forum level, why not try to do it in our own self. Be transparant within.

Could we communicate with own self with this level of transparency?

Would we be responsible for what we communicate?

Would we be responsible for our own reactions?

Bingo, if you can cultivate an attitude of transparency towards yourself then naturally you will assume a transparent attitude towards others.

Am I the only one who sees the transparent elephant in this thread?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Hi all, I just wanted to drop in here and let you know that we've got an eye on this thread and what you say here doesn't go unnoticed.

Speaking of which, what happenned to Shin'Ar?

Shin'Ar has been banned after much consideration and attention from the mods. We examined closely his use of forum resources and willingness to abide by forum guidelines throughout his history of his participation. Recently, he has shown considerable disrespect towards multiple members on various occasions. He has also habitually used the forum as a basis for promoting his own philosophies without consideration for the L/L material and common goal of the community. He has been warned multiple times in the past and we have spent much time working with him. He ultimately showed that he was unwilling to follow forum guidelines after multiple chances given to him to abide, and so his posting privileges have been removed. Shin'Ar is a wise and passionate being that I hold respect for, but it seemed that his goals were not in alignment with the Bring4th guidelines. I wish him the best of luck on his journey.

[reeay]

Am I the only one who sees the transparent elephant in this thread?

Would you like to share your idea?

[Ray]

Am I the only one who sees the transparent elephant in this thread?

Would you like to share your idea?

Well, it's an inside joke, first off, if you know about my particular *ahem* situation.

But on the serious side, if you are honest and do not tell people what they want to hear they will often get very angry with you.
For instance, try saying, "Honey, that dress makes you look huge!!"
In other words, most people can't handle the truth. Trust me.

[Oceania]

yep, people can't handle the truth. when we become able to see we become able to take it, the 4D light will increase and we will need to withstand the process of enlightenment.