leaning towards elimination of meat

[CircleofOne]

Wow only $30? The ones I've seen recommended have been more in the range of $300! I'd have to sell someone's kidney! I will check craigslist, thanks for the suggestion!

As far as the juicing goes, was hunger ever a problem? I guess I'll also have to do some serious research on how to stop chronic acid reflux, which I see as being a painful problem with some of the more acidic juices. Not gonna stop me from trying though!

[Monica]

Wow only $30? The ones I've seen recommended have been more in the range of $300! I'd have to sell someone's kidney! I will check craigslist, thanks for the suggestion!

Well the one I found was $30 for an Acme. I also saw cheaper brands for less, as well as some that were asking more. Prices for used juicers vary, but I'm sure you could find a decent one in that price range if you're patient.

You can get a good quality new one (various brands) for $200-300. But there are always used ones on craigslist. Omega, Acme, Champion, Hurom are some of the better brands; if you could be lucky enough to find one of those for cheap, I'd snatch it up! But even if you got a cheaper one, it will still work! The only difference is the cheaper ones don't last as long and don't produce as much each time.

Another option to consider is a VitaMix, but they are a LOT more expensive. However, you never know, you just might find one for cheap on craigslist! A VitaMix is more for thick fruit smoothies, veggies soups and nut milks, rather than for juice.

As far as the juicing goes, was hunger ever a problem? I guess I'll also have to do some serious research on how to stop chronic acid reflux, which I see as being a painful problem with some of the more acidic juices. Not gonna stop me from trying though!

When doing a juice fast, it's normal to be very hungry the first 3 days, and then the body's digestive system goes into detox mode, and hunger ceases. But the end of week 1, food seems like a foreign substance, and it's common to feel a spiritual high.

Even if you just did all raw fruits and veggies, you could still do a very effective cleanse. Just eat as much as you want, as long as it's raw fruits and veggies.

Acid reflux is easy to address. Mine went away the very first day I switched the water I was drinking. (Most bottled, filtered and reverse osmosis waters are all acidic.) Learn more here or pm me. I know $$ is a factor so there are other things you can do as well. Juice a fresh lemon into water and drink that throughout the day, as much as possible, on an empty stomach. Avoid...meat!!! Eat your fruits and veggies. Don't worry about acidic fruits. They don't cause acid reflux. Animal foods cause acid reflux. Also mineral deficiencies...which are often caused by excess animal foods!

Oh yeah, and if you drink sodas, that is for sure contributing to acid reflux. There is absolutely no redeeming value in sodas. Soda is probably the worst thing you can put in your body. Just quit the sodas 100% and you will be amazed!

[CircleofOne]

Lemons? Eek! I will try it, but it sounds like that could be a paaaaaainful night! I usually drink a lot of milk to try and drown out the acid, but it's always kind of iffy. Now I see why! I'm trying to cut down on the sodas and do more water, tea, juices, especially with this Kansas heat.

I briefly checked out the Kangen water before when I saw it mentioned somewhere around here, I think Carla was talking about it in a blog. I will check out your link fully tonight, so maybe this is a redundant statement, but do the machines always cost $1000?

Have you ever tried the water that's bottled somewhere in Texas that is nothing but filtered rain? I never have, but they boast that rain is the "purest" form of water, despite the heavy pollutants in the air.

[Monica]

Lemons? Eek! I will try it, but it sounds like that could be a paaaaaainful night! I usually drink a lot of milk to try and drown out the acid, but it's always kind of iffy. Now I see why! I'm trying to cut down on the sodas and do more water, tea, juices, especially with this Kansas heat.

I briefly checked out the ...water before when I saw it mentioned somewhere around here, I think Carla was talking about it in a blog. I will check out your link fully tonight, so maybe this is a redundant statement, but do the machines always cost $1000?

Have you ever tried the water that's bottled somewhere in Texas that is nothing but filtered rain? I never have, but they boast that rain is the "purest" form of water, despite the heavy pollutants in the air.

Milk is contributing to the problem. Milk and meat put a strain on the kidneys, which cause a leaching of calcium, thus a chain reaction resulting in acid reflux.

Lemon is acidic but actually causes the opposite reaction in the body: alkalizing.

As long as you're drinking soda, you're spinning your wheels. Even a little soda, even half a can of soda, will counteract all the good things you're doing. Yes, it's really that bad! Soda is poison. Seriously. And soda+milk+meat=acid reflux. Try eliminating all of them, add the lemon, and be amazed!

For info on ionized water please post on the other thread, or pm me privately.

Bottled water is all pretty much the same. No matter how good the source water is, once it's bottled it loses its good properties. It becomes oxidizing and, in most cases, acidic. It also get plastic chemicals from the bottle. And, it adds to a huge environmental problem. Did you know that there is a mass of plastic twice the size of Texas floating in the Pacific Ocean?

[Monica]

I just made a commitment to raw vegan, and today is Day #3. I was just telling my hubby about how I am feeling GREAT! Very light! I actually feel like running and jumping!! I was just telling him how amazed I am that I felt the difference on Day 2 already. I didn't expect to feel it that fast!

For me, raw vegan is something I've wanted to do for 29 years, but it was very difficult to pull off. But now, I am blown away by the many dozens, maybe even hundreds, of amazing live foods recipe books! There are even many upscale raw foods restaurants popping up in big cities, so it's really getting trendy.

I won't make raw vegan a strict commitment like I personally do with not eating animals, but to me, it's fun and invigorating, and I am actually enjoying it! Instead of feeling deprived, I am actually feeling excited about all the new and amazing recipes I get to try!

Last week, I posted a pic of the delicious fruit pie we had for breakfast. Since then, I've made savory veggie stews, nutty herb flatbread, cashew apple cookies served with fresh cinnamon applesauce (a meal in itself), and other interesting and amazingly delicious dishes. I am having fun and feeling great! My hubby, now 100% vegetarian, is coming along for the ride (well mostly!).

We plan to make zucchini pasta with creamy primavera sauce this weekend. ALL these dishes are RAW and just teeming with life energy! Nothing died. I absolutely FEEL that their life force is merging with mine. It's difficult to describe, the vitality I am feeling when I eat raw!

This might convey what I'm describing. This video is a bit over the top, evangelical even, but, hey, it's for a good cause! I found it inspiring and timely.

http://www.markusrothkranz.com/

[AnthroHeart]

Monica,

Are the stews you make still considered raw? I thought raw was things heated to 160 degrees F or less if I recall correctly.
Though you mentioned not being strict raw, so that could make sense.

I'll have to pick up some good raw cookbooks. I'm almost completely moved over to vegetarian. So will give it a little before going fully raw.

[Monica]

Are the stews you make still considered raw? I thought raw was things heated to 160 degrees F or less if I recall correctly.
Though you mentioned not being strict raw, so that could make sense.

Yes, they are totally raw. I learned how to make them here:

http://savorystews.rogerhaeske.com/

I'll have to pick up some good raw cookbooks. I'm almost completely moved over to vegetarian. So will give it a little before going fully raw.

Great! Yeah I wouldn't recommend going from meat to raw vegan. That might be a rather drastic change! For me, going raw vegan is something I've wanted to do for a long time, but it will probably never be a strict commitment like being vegetarian is. In other words, I won't ever eat an animal under any circumstances. But if I am raw vegan, I might occasionally eat cooked vegetarian food. I don't feel strongly about being raw vegan for ethical reasons, as I do about being vegetarian. I am pursuing raw vegan for health, vitality and spiritual reasons.

[AnthroHeart]

So Monica, there's enough variety in those savory stews and other recipes they have to never get boring?
If it's as tasty as they mention, might be even better than the vegetarian diet I've been trying.

Are there raw replacements for bread or crackers?

Edit: Ok, I found on Google that there are. Just wandering about your recommendation for any.

[Monica]

So Monica, there's enough variety in those savory stews and other recipes they have to never get boring?

I'm not sure about never. But I eat them several times per week, usually with some whole grain bread (which I'm now replacing with sprouted grain or dehydrated raw nut nut bread) and tahini, hummus, or guacamole. Sometimes I add walnuts to the stew. Yum!

Sometimes I would add cooked (not fried) potatoes. I might not give that up. I plan to aspire to mostly raw, personally, but I really like potatoes so I see no reason to give them up. I'm doing 100% raw right now to lose weight quickly. After that, I might be only mostly raw. Or I might feel so great I might not want to eat cooked foods, who knows?

If it's as tasty as they mention, might be even better than the vegetarian diet I've been trying.

If you don't particularly like the veg recipes you're using now, then I suggest exploring more veg recipe books. The key to success is variety. There are thousands upon thousands of delicious veg recipes! So there's no reason to ever eat boring food!

A vegetarian diet, whether raw vegan or lacto-ovo or somewhere in-between, can be delicious, exciting and satisfying!

Are there raw replacements for bread or crackers?

Edit: Ok, I found on Google that there are. Just wandering about your recommendation for any.

Well I'm just now discovering them myself, so I'm not an expert. I've been watching a lot of youtube videos to learn how to make them. Just do a search for 'raw foods' and you'll find lots. But they might not all be good. I'll let you know as soon as I am able to make some recommendations, which should be soon.

I also just ordered more raw recipe books.

[Lorna]

i ordered a raw recipe book last week after seeing your stunning photo
i have been trying to eat one raw meal per day for awhile now, usually with sprouts, have been off it for a few weeks with holidays and trips away from home, and i do feel much more sluggish and lacking energy, but that could equally be down to increased stress and less sleep, i'm going to fill up my sprouting jars again this evening though and try to get back into a routine with it

[Monica]

Bumping this thread, since the topic was discussed on Carla's radio show today, and this thread mentioned.

[caycegal]

No expert here but I did note Ra mentioning eating meat in moderation for the 'instrument'. Now if we are not to be concerned about our own 'death', since its an opportunity to assess our path and reincarnate perhaps something similar is true of the the second density.
A cow does not have the opportunity to 'evolve' that a dog might ....
Also plants and animals are both 2nd density so if this is the path can we even eat plants?

Thank you for your insight brother.

The Hindus I know personally give a very strong argument. Edgar Cayce, correct me if I am wrong, also touts the benefits of the vegetarian diet--although he may be focusing on the health aspect, not the karmic.

If it is not an issue as far as the Law of One is concerned, then I shall move on focus my energies elsewhere.

I know this is a very old thread, but I'm being guided by my body, it seems, to eliminate meat more and more.

Edgar Cayce gave very different advice to different individuals. Very seldom did he recommend red meat, although he frequently recommended "beef juice," a concoction made by cooking beef wrapped in parchment paper in a double boiler and squeezing the juice out of it. The juice was then taken like a medicine. I wonder if it was to obtain Carnitine and Carnosine - which are available now as supplements.

For most people he recommended fish and fowl.

Lately, however, I am concerned that even fish and fowl are too much meat for me.

I am wondering if the transition to 4D is changing the needs of my body. The less meat I eat, the better I feel and the healthier I am. I don't abstain from meat byproducts such as gelatin, Carnosine, Carnitine, eggs, yogurt. They don't seem to bother me - just the meat (even fish and fowl) itself.

[ChickenInSpace]

I hear you. Lately I find any red meat product to simply taste awful. Fish sort of works but I can feel a decline for the 'want' for this too. Fowl has been very distasteful for a long time, though.

The problematic issue is that I've been a fervent meat-eater and know quite little about vegetarian cuisine apart from a mildly successful 2-year period of no meat. I learned I didn't know enough to consume all needed 'foodstuffs' to nourish the body.

[Jade]

Food is one of those 3rd density evils that people readily accept. It's complicated but as a practicing vegan allow me to express my opinion and interpretations on the matter.

The current state of food (especially in the US, increasingly less so in other countries) is that lack of real food that is available for consumption. Most animals and foods are genetically modified to increase growth artificially and to sap natural sun-made nutrition from the process. Animals are given growth hormones and fed corn and soybeans that are genetically modified (not to mention unnatural for them to consume) with more animal genes and we really don't know the side effects, other than that it creates "more". Crops are sprayed with pesticides which forces the plant to rely on external sources for its protection, so it doesn't create its own natural antibodies to fight off intruders, the reasons we eat plants! It's very tricky but everything "good" about food has been sapped out of it by mass production. More than 2/3rds of people in the US are OBESE because they eat and eat food that has no nutritional content, so they never feel satisfied.

As far as "plants and animals" both being 2nd density, my feelings on that are, that plants have evolved to create "fruit" for us to eat with their seeds (children) carefully concealed in a colorful and sweet or nutritious package. This allows humans and other animals to be attracted to the fruit, to eat it, then many hours later of traveling deposit the "child" somewhere else, with its own fertilizer to boot! Plants have actually actively evolved for this purpose, to be consumed, and the benefits of consuming vegetables especially are very well documented. The mammals and birds that we eat, however, are among some of the most intelligent 2D species - cattle being extremely maternal (and exploited specifically for this purpose...) pigs being at least as smart as dogs, and chickens having the intelligence of the average bird, which is very high. I'm not discounting the communication that can be done with plants, but for the 2D animals of higher IQ, it's very important in my opinion to honor them higher than cramming them into cramped quarters, disfiguring them, and forcing them to live sick lives or be breeders and have their children constantly ripped from them. When the mourning is palpable, I can't ignore the call. I understand that it is catalyst and in agreeance with soul group contracts, however, the way we are operating now can NOT be sustained in 4D. Some of us are here to correct our errors and short-sighted decisions in these departments, and I feel the things I've seen can't go unrecognized. Just as I can't ignore the call of a crying child, or my own hungry animals, I can't ignore the pleading look in the eyes of a sow who's known nothing but consuming and loss. Just the same as I can't ignore the undeniable call of a fresh, ripe strawberry and the dance it performs for all of my senses to consume it.

Mind you I'm not perfect, I don't take the extra step to make sure its seeds get deposited where they will be able to grow and flourish, but I feel at least I'm consuming that which is asking me and not that which is pleading for me to stop!

Two easy to access documentaries that I'd recommend are Forks Over Knives and The Botany of Desire (both of those are on Netflix). Forks Over Knives taught me that solid science shows that eating animal products correlates directly with our most destructive diseases - cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's - everything degenerative. After watching the movie I realized that I didn't have to die of one of the three above causes, when I'd grown to accept a slow decline into old age and unhealth was inevitable - and this was before I knew I could "ascend"!

"Gluttony" is one of our most accepted "sins" and as such it is not without its problems. We consume way more animal than we did 100 years ago, which is poisoning us. We kill almost 10 billion animals for consumption per year in this country. The amount of grains that are used as animal feed could many times over feed those who are starving. Instead, we use that precious farmland to grow feed for our animals, so we can have burgers every night we please. This is obviously a very STS position when we consider it on the macro scale like that, that the morality between 2D animals and 2D plants is that animals require much more energy to produce, and with people starving to death every day it's a consideration we should take into account.

Also know, it's totally natural as we progress into 4D for your body to start to reject these things on its own. If your body is going through this process, trust it! If you feel better, go with it! Much love, luck and support to anyone making dietary changes that are natural and make them feel better. Thank you to anyone who read my post for your time.

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Ah, I have so much more to say, I should walk away soon.

Chicken - a good rule is protein, grains, veggies. If you can incorporate beans/nuts, grains, and veggies into every meal, you will get more than enough. Varying the vegetables is always encouraged, and organic if possible is definitely exponentially more nutritious. I even just switched my dogs to a vegan diet (they've been begging me for more veggies for months) and so far it's been lentils, brown rice, sweet potatoes, carrots, kale, olive oil, and nutritional yeast (yummy B vitamin supplement). It's similar to lentil soup I've made for myself to eat even, just less seasoned.

In my house we eat lots of wraps, pasta with garlic/olive oil sauce and veggies, fried/roasted veggies, stir fry and rice, lots of stuff! There are vegan/vegetarian recipes for EVERYTHING. It's a myth that we need meat for protein, EVERYTHING is protein, but it's wise to eat beans/legumes for how dense with protein they are, just so you do feel as if you're getting enough to eat. It was very quick that I learned that meat actually doesn't have much of a flavor on its own, and that most things made without meat don't taste like they're missing anything.

Again good luck and thanks for your time!

[Monica]

I am wondering if the transition to 4D is changing the needs of my body. The less meat I eat, the better I feel and the healthier I am.

I think that's exactly what's happening.

I don't abstain from meat byproducts such as gelatin, Carnosine, Carnitine, eggs, yogurt. They don't seem to bother me - just the meat (even fish and fowl) itself.

I didn't either, for many years. Then, after 29 years of being vegetarian, I no longer want those things either. Some people go straight from hamburgers to vegan, but most take the path of a more gradual transition.

[Plenum]

Then, after 29 years of being vegetarian ...

makes a <shocked face>

29 years? 29 years!!

[Marc]

Chicken, nutrition takes some planning and a bit of research. Meat is simply not necessary for health and has quite the opposite effects on the body. My transition to veganism was a little hard at first, but I knew my higher self was guiding to it. My typical diet looks like this on any given day:

Breakfast: Warm lemon water and fresh green smoothie (greens/fruit/seeds or nuts)
Snack: Two pieces of fruit for snack and/or whole wheat peanut butter and raw honey sandwich
Lunch: two pieces of fruit and a vegan burrito/brown rice pilaf/or Asian noodle dish
Snack: two more serving of fruit
Dinner: cooked veggies with some type of starchy grain or potatoes to fill me up and more fruit. (If you don't use a ton of greens in your smoothie have a big salad here [I'm not a big fan of salads so I get my greens in from my smoothies])
Snack: fruit or corn chips with salsa

95% of my food intake is organic, about 50% is raw, and it is mostly all whole foods with no processed foods, I know where most of my food comes from via local CSA type service, and I make most all dishes from scratch to avoid any HFCS, sugar, or any other pesky additives.

I eat a simple but very very tasty diet. Eat as much fruit as you'd like!

Good luck on your dietary journey!

[Monica]

Ah, I have so much more to say, I should walk away soon.

Oh please don't! Please stick around and say more! I loved your whole post and agree 100%!

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Anyone wishing to transition to a vegetarian diet may find this thread helpful:

Bring4th Forums Two > Health & Diet v > Vegetarianism Made E-Z (Recipes and Stuff - NO debate allowed here!)

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Then, after 29 years of being vegetarian ...

makes a <shocked face>

29 years? 29 years!!

Haha, you find that shocking? Actually it's now been 31 years. But it was 29 years of on-and-off vegan...it took 29 years to go totally vegan...or, to be more accurate: BEEgan (vegan except for organic, raw, cruelty-free honey).

You might find this even more shocking: My son is almost 25 and has never had a bite of meat in his life! He can run circles around most meat-eaters. (You can tell I'm very unabashedly proud of him!)

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Chicken, nutrition takes some planning and a bit of research. Meat is simply not necessary for health and has quite the opposite effects on the body. My transition to veganism was a little hard at first, but I knew my higher self was guiding to it. My typical diet looks like this on any given day:

Breakfast: Warm lemon water and fresh green smoothie (greens/fruit/seeds or nuts)
Snack: Two pieces of fruit for snack and/or whole wheat peanut butter and raw honey sandwich
Lunch: two pieces of fruit and a vegan burrito/brown rice pilaf/or Asian noodle dish
Snack: two more serving of fruit
Dinner: cooked veggies with some type of starchy grain or potatoes to fill me up and more fruit. (If you don't use a ton of greens in your smoothie have a big salad here [I'm not a big fan of salads so I get my greens in from my smoothies])
Snack: fruit or corn chips with salsa

95% of my food intake is organic, about 50% is raw, and it is mostly all whole foods with no processed foods, I know where most of my food comes from via local CSA type service, and I make most all dishes from scratch to avoid any HFCS, sugar, or any other pesky additives.

I eat a simple but very very tasty diet. Eat as much fruit as you'd like!

Good luck on your dietary journey!

Impressive!

[caycegal]

Wow, thanks for all the info and encouragement.

Someone gave me a $50 gift card for Macy's and I was able to go into the housewares dept. and purchase a mini-food chopper/grinder for a few bucks more with the gift card. (I just don't have room in our little kitchen for a big food processor, and seldom want to grind up that much stuff.) Anyway, the little processor gets used almost daily to make a concoction we call "chopped salad." It's got raw veggies, tahini, mayonnaise, sea salt, stevia, unpasteurized sauerkraut, and fresh lemon juice in it - today I put the lemon peel in too. Oh, also gelatin (Edgar Cayce recommended combining gelatin with raw fruit to eliminate mucous in the body) and flax seed meal. Oh, and the little processor is strong enough to grind up raw almonds and walnuts, which also go into the chopped salad.

We searched for unpasteurized sauerkraut because I figured when it gets canned or bottled they heat it up enough that it loses the natural fermentation that's so good for you. Finally found it in Whole Foods deli dept. Not too expensive, either.

We use the chopped salad just like a sandwich spread on any kind of whole grain bread or toast or pita.

Guess I should have posted this in that other thread, Monica!

We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

[Jade]

We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

I've already sold my hubby on the location as Peru as soon as he's a successful writer.

My in-laws got us a little Magic Bullet processor for Christmas, it's been WONDERFUL!

One of the staples we have is fairly easy, I'll share the recipe, it can be altered to suit anything!

Portabella Mushroom Pasta
3-4 sliced baby bella mushrooms
3-4 chopped baby bella mushrooms (medium sized so give or take on both)
4-5 (to taste) cloves chopped garlic
1-2 roma tomatoes
A few handfuls of spinach
3~ tablespoons olive oil
1/2lb noodles (I use angel hair/capellini)
Salt and pepper

Heat up olive oil in a saucepan, add sliced mushrooms. Follow with processed mushrooms (puree in food processor) and chopped garlic - give it a few minutes, then add the tomato. Hopefully at this point your water is boiling for your pasta so cook it for the shorter end of the duration (I do angel hair 6 mins capellini 2) and then I add the spinach to the saucepan, then add about a cup of pasta water and the noodles to finish them off in the pan with all the veggies and olive oil. Generous salt and pepper make this delicious. If you keep white wine in the house, I'd encourage using that as well. Serves 2, takes about 20 minutes of prep and cooking! Really just about all the veggies are interchangeable. I've made it with only the mushrooms, with kale instead of spinach, etc.

I feel like I have a bit of an advantage because I do enjoy cooking most of the time. However, I am also lazy, so unless I feel really motivated, I try to keep prep time for most meals 20 minutes or less. Search engines are also your friend - if I have limited ingredients and desire something, there's a recipe out there to utilize what I've got and make it yummy.

[caycegal]

We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

I've already sold my hubby on the location as Peru as soon as he's a successful writer.

My in-laws got us a little Magic Bullet processor for Christmas, it's been WONDERFUL!

One of the staples we have is fairly easy, I'll share the recipe, it can be altered to suit anything!

Portabella Mushroom Pasta
3-4 sliced baby bella mushrooms
3-4 chopped baby bella mushrooms (medium sized so give or take on both)
4-5 (to taste) cloves chopped garlic
1-2 roma tomatoes
A few handfuls of spinach
3~ tablespoons olive oil
1/2lb noodles (I use angel hair/capellini)
Salt and pepper

Heat up olive oil in a saucepan, add sliced mushrooms. Follow with processed mushrooms (puree in food processor) and chopped garlic - give it a few minutes, then add the tomato. Hopefully at this point your water is boiling for your pasta so cook it for the shorter end of the duration (I do angel hair 6 mins capellini 2) and then I add the spinach to the saucepan, then add about a cup of pasta water and the noodles to finish them off in the pan with all the veggies and olive oil. Generous salt and pepper make this delicious. If you keep white wine in the house, I'd encourage using that as well. Serves 2, takes about 20 minutes of prep and cooking! Really just about all the veggies are interchangeable. I've made it with only the mushrooms, with kale instead of spinach, etc.

I feel like I have a bit of an advantage because I do enjoy cooking most of the time. However, I am also lazy, so unless I feel really motivated, I try to keep prep time for most meals 20 minutes or less. Search engines are also your friend - if I have limited ingredients and desire something, there's a recipe out there to utilize what I've got and make it yummy.

Gonna try it - probably without the pasta. We use Quinoa or Spaghetti Squash for pasta. Speaking of Quinoa, I think it comes from Peru!

I love cooking, too. When I come home from work I love to spend some time in the kitchen - makes me feel great.

[Monica]

We searched for unpasteurized sauerkraut because I figured when it gets canned or bottled they heat it up enough that it loses the natural fermentation that's so good for you. Finally found it in Whole Foods deli dept. Not too expensive, either.

Cool! Most 'pickled' foods are actually made with vinegar and aren't really fermented. Actual fermented foods are very healthy!

Did you know it's very easy to make your own? I make my own sauerkraut now.

We use the chopped salad just like a sandwich spread on any kind of whole grain bread or toast or pita.

Great idea! I just had a raw veggie stew...yum!

Guess I should have posted this in that other thread, Monica!

No problem...you can always put it there too.

We should all create a commune and grow our own food!

Yes!

[caycegal]

Cool! Most 'pickled' foods are actually made with vinegar and aren't really fermented. Actual fermented foods are very healthy!

Did you know it's very easy to make your own? I make my own sauerkraut now.

Monica - could you tell us how to make your own sauerkraut? (Simple directions, please, I've never tried it. I'm guessing you start by chopping up some cabbage.)

[BrownEye]

http://www.perfectpickler.com/

[Monica]

BrownEye beat me to it! I use the Perfect Pickler, + The Complete Idiot's Guide to Fermenting Foods by Wardeh Harmon.

I also have both books by Sandor Ellix Katz to use as a reference, but I recommend starting with Wardeh's book.

I strongly recommend getting the Perfect Pickler. Using jars with lids is too iffy. I also got a large crock but it was overkill.

[Marc]

Now that I'm leaving my job at Starbucks, there has been a wave of people going vegetarian. I've been able to help give advice and inspire people to go vegetarian. I never pushed anyone to be it but it seems my vibration and testimony spoke to them and effected them to embrace their compassionate side. Yay!

[Lycen]

Came upon this in the L/L Research Transcripts, I found it enriching (then remembered this thread), perhaps others will find some food for thought as well .D

November 18, 1979

Questioner: (Inaudible) I belong to a group (inaudible) this afternoon we saw a movie on (inaudible) was called The Long Search (inaudible) religious trend (inaudible) Indonesia, where these people are making animal sacrifices, eating meat, etc. etc. But these people are very innocent beings, not insidious or calculating, (inaudible) say of people in our culture (inaudible). I wonder, is it very necessary if you aspire to spiritual truth to be a vegetarian and not be kind of a meat (inaudible)?

We are aware of your question, my sister. It is a clear question and we can answer it, however, the answer is not as simple as the question. It is written in your holy books and truthfully that to some eating certain items is very necessary and would be harmful to them did they deviate; to others, anything maybe eaten. It is, you see, a function of the mind. As to the spiritual consequences of eating, you must understand that your bodies are a basic system of electromagnetic fields and they do not function as you believe that they function, but rather because of thought.

Thus, what you think controls a great deal of what you feel and how your body reacts. In general, it is safe to say that if a person feels a calling to become vegetarian, that is precisely what that person should do and will indeed help that person, because that is what that person feels that he shall do. It is as simple as that. Each person will have a different calling. Not all shall be vegetarians and not all shall be meat-eaters. It is totally a matter of your spiritual set, which is part of a thought nexus or system of thinking which you have developed over many lifetimes, giving you certain biases. In other words, you may have spent time in other bodies which were used to a vegetarian diet and thus find yourself in this incarnation quite unable to tolerate or digest the rich diet of your culture. Others find no problem in doing so whatsoever. Thus, the truth simply is it is not that which goes into a man that shows his nature, but rather what comes from him in the way of thoughts, words and deeds.

Can we answer your question further?

[Monica]

Came upon this in the L/L Research Transcripts, I found it enriching (then remembered this thread), perhaps others will find some food for thought as well .D

November 18, 1979

Questioner: (Inaudible) I belong to a group (inaudible) this afternoon we saw a movie on (inaudible) was called The Long Search (inaudible) religious trend (inaudible) Indonesia, where these people are making animal sacrifices, eating meat, etc. etc. But these people are very innocent beings, not insidious or calculating, (inaudible) say of people in our culture (inaudible). I wonder, is it very necessary if you aspire to spiritual truth to be a vegetarian and not be kind of a meat (inaudible)?

We are aware of your question, my sister. It is a clear question and we can answer it, however, the answer is not as simple as the question. It is written in your holy books and truthfully that to some eating certain items is very necessary and would be harmful to them did they deviate; to others, anything maybe eaten. It is, you see, a function of the mind. As to the spiritual consequences of eating, you must understand that your bodies are a basic system of electromagnetic fields and they do not function as you believe that they function, but rather because of thought.

Thus, what you think controls a great deal of what you feel and how your body reacts. In general, it is safe to say that if a person feels a calling to become vegetarian, that is precisely what that person should do and will indeed help that person, because that is what that person feels that he shall do. It is as simple as that. Each person will have a different calling. Not all shall be vegetarians and not all shall be meat-eaters. It is totally a matter of your spiritual set, which is part of a thought nexus or system of thinking which you have developed over many lifetimes, giving you certain biases. In other words, you may have spent time in other bodies which were used to a vegetarian diet and thus find yourself in this incarnation quite unable to tolerate or digest the rich diet of your culture. Others find no problem in doing so whatsoever. Thus, the truth simply is it is not that which goes into a man that shows his nature, but rather what comes from him in the way of thoughts, words and deeds.

Can we answer your question further?

I find this answer incomplete. It is addressing the issue only from the perspective of what food can do for us, and leaving out how our choices affect others.

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Now that I'm leaving my job at Starbucks, there has been a wave of people going vegetarian. I've been able to help give advice and inspire people to go vegetarian. I never pushed anyone to be it but it seems my vibration and testimony spoke to them and effected them to embrace their compassionate side. Yay!

Yup. We're everywhere! Taking over the planet!

[xise]

Here's a Q'uo Channeling from 2010 on the subject:

Saturday Meditation

October 16, 2010

Jim: The question this evening, Q’uo, [from G], is, “Few systems of thought confer as much responsibility on the individual entity as the Law of One does. In that philosophy, the individual is completely responsible for its own choices and its experience no matter how uninformed these choices and its viewpoint may be. It is in that vein that we wish to examine the concept of responsibility through both the general and focused lens. In general, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for indirectly participating in activities which result in pain and suffering for others? There are many specific ways to approach the basic underlying principle of responsibility, including purchasing gasoline, using products which harm the environment, supporting or not resisting governments which funnel the energy of their people into nefarious ends, etc.

We would like to select one particular instance of this principle for our focus. It is understood among many spiritual seekers that except in cases of humane slaughter our second-density friends are routinely mistreated and abused in the process of converting their physical bodies into our meat foodstuffs. Specifically then, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for the suffering of second-density creatures when purchasing and consuming the meat of these animals?

(Carla channeling)

We are those of the principle of Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to you this evening. It is a pleasure and a privilege to be called to this group and to be a part of this circle of seeking. We are delighted to speak with you about responsibility....

And in each density, each experience, each day and each hour, you are responsible for yourself, for your choices, for your intentions and for your desires....

You asked specifically about the responsibility that you have for what you eat. For those who have not yet conceived of the possibility of choices in this area, their responsibility is minimal. One cannot make choices if one is ignorant of the choices. Therefore, the question that you asked is on behalf of those who have awakened to the fact that all is one. You are one with the clouds and the rain, the fire that warms the hearth, the water within your body and in all of the bodies of water within the planet.

You are one with the birds, the animals, flowers, plants, rocks, each other and the Creator.

There is only one thing in the universe and that is love.

Indeed, you are seeking at this time to reduce the level of distortion in your thinking so that you may become more and more aware of that consciousness that lies closer to you than breathing, nearer than your hands and feet: the consciousness of unconditional love that is your true nature.

Now, how shall an entity whose consciousness is that of pure love feed its body? We notice that you focus upon meat and the eating of it as the arena of choice. And before we address that question we would note that not only the animals but the plants also are growing within the creation of the Father, blooming and dying at a rhythm of their own. In a very real way, it is as much of an offense, one may say, to pluck a bean or dig a potato from the ground as it is to slaughter an animal, for you have interrupted the cycle of its life and its dancing with the Creator as you do so. But to focus upon this is to digress from your query. And so we would focus upon the slaughter of animals and the responsibility that an entity has if he chooses to eat meat.

One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein. [1]

Another choice that an awakened entity has, as the questioner said, is to move to the purchase only of meats that have been humanely slaughtered. There are two sources of such meats that are generally available to entities within a reasonable amount of distance from where they live. One is to seek out a kosher store [2] which sells meat, knowing that the priests of that religion have treated animals well and have slaughtered them in a sacred ritual which is taken most seriously by those priests.

The other is to find a biodynamic source where the same feeling of sacredness surrounds the appreciation of mammals while they live and the humane slaughter of them when it is time for them to feed their humans.

And as the one known as J said, barring those choices, there is always the metaphysically correct choice of relating to the animal in that timeless condition which is called “metaphysical time” wherein all things occur simultaneously, so that you are able to contact any animal, before you eat it, no matter how abused or how slaughtered. And as you contact this animal, you express your love of this animal and your appreciation for all that the animal has gone through in order to give you its energy, its consciousness, such as it is, and its love, which is very real. So, in praise, prayer and thanksgiving you heal the division between you and the meat and the animal from which that meat came.

And as you do this to your meat, dancing with the meat, becoming one with the meat, you are in effect lifting that energy to the infinite Creator, blessing it and healing all that has gone before, for the animal and for you.

Indeed, we would note that it is not only the eating of meat, but every single action undertaken by you, no matter how humble or small, that has the capability and potentiality of becoming sacred, so that you at all times are giving thanks, offering praise, and opening to the experiences that have been given to you to walk in.

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That being said, you gotta do research about your kosher meat as well: http://www.farmforward.com/features/kosh...estigation

UPDATE (June 30, 2011): Farm Forward has verified that the Israeli chief rabbinate has not followed up on its promise to stop certifying as kosher meat from animals killed using the painful shackle and hoist method in South American slaughterhouses. We alerted Israeli activists to this lack of progress last month, resulting in this article in the premier Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. “The horrible deaths received by animals in these South American slaughterhouses is the most egregious animal welfare problem in kosher slaughter today,” explains Farm Forward founder Aaron Gross. Farm Forward remains committed to working with the vast majority of American and Israeli Jews who, in the best spirit of the Abrahamic religions’ tradition of compassion for animals, want to see this cruelty ended. Gross continues, “Farm Forward has a special commitment to working with religious communities of all kinds that want to address the problems of factory farming in ways specific to each community. Factory farming is not an ethical problem relevant only to secular society. It is a problem for any person of faith who believes animals are more than mere things.”

UPDATE (June 23, 2010): Roughly a month after the release of PETA's undercover investigation, Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger announced that starting in 2011 he will no longer certify as kosher animals killed in slaughterhouses that use the widely condemned "shackle and hoist" slaughter method. Today roughly 80% of Israel's kosher meat imports come from South American slaughterhouses that use shackle and hoist. The same slaughterhouses presently supply the majority of America's kosher beef as well. Farm Forward commends the Chief Rabbi on his decision and is cautiously optimistic that the tremendous pressure his actions have created will lead to the end of shackle and hoist in kosher slaughter globally. We will continue our diplomatic efforts to end shackle and hoist until we can report that the practice has stopped.

[Monica]

Here's a Q'uo Channeling from 2010 on the subject:

Saturday Meditation

October 16, 2010

Jim: The question this evening, Q’uo, [from G], is, “Few systems of thought confer as much responsibility on the individual entity as the Law of One does. In that philosophy, the individual is completely responsible for its own choices and its experience no matter how uninformed these choices and its viewpoint may be. It is in that vein that we wish to examine the concept of responsibility through both the general and focused lens. In general, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for indirectly participating in activities which result in pain and suffering for others? There are many specific ways to approach the basic underlying principle of responsibility, including purchasing gasoline, using products which harm the environment, supporting or not resisting governments which funnel the energy of their people into nefarious ends, etc.

We would like to select one particular instance of this principle for our focus. It is understood among many spiritual seekers that except in cases of humane slaughter our second-density friends are routinely mistreated and abused in the process of converting their physical bodies into our meat foodstuffs. Specifically then, to what extent is the positively-oriented entity responsible for the suffering of second-density creatures when purchasing and consuming the meat of these animals?

(Carla channeling)

We are those of the principle of Q’uo. Greetings in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to you this evening. It is a pleasure and a privilege to be called to this group and to be a part of this circle of seeking. We are delighted to speak with you about responsibility....

And in each density, each experience, each day and each hour, you are responsible for yourself, for your choices, for your intentions and for your desires....

You asked specifically about the responsibility that you have for what you eat. For those who have not yet conceived of the possibility of choices in this area, their responsibility is minimal. One cannot make choices if one is ignorant of the choices. Therefore, the question that you asked is on behalf of those who have awakened to the fact that all is one. You are one with the clouds and the rain, the fire that warms the hearth, the water within your body and in all of the bodies of water within the planet.

You are one with the birds, the animals, flowers, plants, rocks, each other and the Creator.

There is only one thing in the universe and that is love.

Indeed, you are seeking at this time to reduce the level of distortion in your thinking so that you may become more and more aware of that consciousness that lies closer to you than breathing, nearer than your hands and feet: the consciousness of unconditional love that is your true nature.

Now, how shall an entity whose consciousness is that of pure love feed its body? We notice that you focus upon meat and the eating of it as the arena of choice. And before we address that question we would note that not only the animals but the plants also are growing within the creation of the Father, blooming and dying at a rhythm of their own. In a very real way, it is as much of an offense, one may say, to pluck a bean or dig a potato from the ground as it is to slaughter an animal, for you have interrupted the cycle of its life and its dancing with the Creator as you do so. But to focus upon this is to digress from your query. And so we would focus upon the slaughter of animals and the responsibility that an entity has if he chooses to eat meat.

One valid choice that many of those who have awakened have made is not to eat meat and to find ways to furnish the body with the protein that meat offers by eating other substances, such as legumes, which contain protein. [1]

Another choice that an awakened entity has, as the questioner said, is to move to the purchase only of meats that have been humanely slaughtered. There are two sources of such meats that are generally available to entities within a reasonable amount of distance from where they live. One is to seek out a kosher store [2] which sells meat, knowing that the priests of that religion have treated animals well and have slaughtered them in a sacred ritual which is taken most seriously by those priests.

The other is to find a biodynamic source where the same feeling of sacredness surrounds the appreciation of mammals while they live and the humane slaughter of them when it is time for them to feed their humans.

And as the one known as J said, barring those choices, there is always the metaphysically correct choice of relating to the animal in that timeless condition which is called “metaphysical time” wherein all things occur simultaneously, so that you are able to contact any animal, before you eat it, no matter how abused or how slaughtered. And as you contact this animal, you express your love of this animal and your appreciation for all that the animal has gone through in order to give you its energy, its consciousness, such as it is, and its love, which is very real. So, in praise, prayer and thanksgiving you heal the division between you and the meat and the animal from which that meat came.

And as you do this to your meat, dancing with the meat, becoming one with the meat, you are in effect lifting that energy to the infinite Creator, blessing it and healing all that has gone before, for the animal and for you.

Indeed, we would note that it is not only the eating of meat, but every single action undertaken by you, no matter how humble or small, that has the capability and potentiality of becoming sacred, so that you at all times are giving thanks, offering praise, and opening to the experiences that have been given to you to walk in.

---

That being said, you gotta do research about your kosher meat as well: http://www.farmforward.com/features/kosh...estigation

UPDATE (June 30, 2011): Farm Forward has verified that the Israeli chief rabbinate has not followed up on its promise to stop certifying as kosher meat from animals killed using the painful shackle and hoist method in South American slaughterhouses. We alerted Israeli activists to this lack of progress last month, resulting in this article in the premier Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. “The horrible deaths received by animals in these South American slaughterhouses is the most egregious animal welfare problem in kosher slaughter today,” explains Farm Forward founder Aaron Gross. Farm Forward remains committed to working with the vast majority of American and Israeli Jews who, in the best spirit of the Abrahamic religions’ tradition of compassion for animals, want to see this cruelty ended. Gross continues, “Farm Forward has a special commitment to working with religious communities of all kinds that want to address the problems of factory farming in ways specific to each community. Factory farming is not an ethical problem relevant only to secular society. It is a problem for any person of faith who believes animals are more than mere things.”

UPDATE (June 23, 2010): Roughly a month after the release of PETA's undercover investigation, Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger announced that starting in 2011 he will no longer certify as kosher animals killed in slaughterhouses that use the widely condemned "shackle and hoist" slaughter method. Today roughly 80% of Israel's kosher meat imports come from South American slaughterhouses that use shackle and hoist. The same slaughterhouses presently supply the majority of America's kosher beef as well. Farm Forward commends the Chief Rabbi on his decision and is cautiously optimistic that the tremendous pressure his actions have created will lead to the end of shackle and hoist in kosher slaughter globally. We will continue our diplomatic efforts to end shackle and hoist until we can report that the practice has stopped.

Thanks for sharing. It's rare that I don't resonate with a Q'uo channeling. This is one of those times. Pablisimo addressed this particular quote quote well, and I agree with him 100%. Here is his response to this:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...1#pid23111