Mental equilibrium while dealing with the paranormal...

[Adonai One]

I am being told if entities appeared to me and spoke to me in a clearly audible and visual manner as I desire, my mental stability would be momentarily compromised. My heartbeat and respiratory rates would increase to a pace comparable to shock, in general I would become severely "distorted." At this moment I cannot fathom why I would react in such away.

Is such a reaction mainly primal and from the more animalistic centers of our brain? Or is there something psychological here? Why would I supposedly react in this way?

[Free Spirit]

whoever your source is is correct. I can explain in depth if you want.

[reeay]

Some channelers like Bashar did talk about how meeting entities of higher vibrations could have a very negative effects on people of lower vibrations (compared to higher vibration beings we may be of lower vibration). They say such disparity may cause fear, which could instigate survival instinct: arousal of nervous system and release of neurotransmitters such as epinephrine (adrenaline) and noepinephrine, which can lead to increased heartrate, hyperventilation, and possibly violence/aggression. There are no psychological explanations bc there have been no observations made to study this. Imagine uncontacted indigenous tribes in south america and how they could act in very defensive ways when contact is attempted. Not to say indigenous people are lower vibrations but that something unknown or foreign can instigate negative reactions due to fear of unknown or superstition or whatnot.

Survival instinct and emotions such as fear or anger is associated with the most primitive part of the brain, yes. It keeps us geared for observing and processing potentially threatening situations to ensure survival.

[Adonai One]

whoever your source is is correct. I can explain in depth if you want.

You're more than welcome.

[Free Spirit]

well said rie

well with me, what happened was that I was in a great amount of fear and for whatever reason, I felt like I was "calling" some type of being of a negative type. I kept having visions of tall shadows near my doorway. eventually, the fear climaxed with the appearance of a reptilian being in my minds eye. It said to me, "what do you want?" and long story short, I had a panic attack and ended up in a hospital, where I had further visions of these alien beings. Whether it was the real deal or not, the affect it had upon me was the same as described by rie.

[Adonai One]

Yes, indeed. Thank you, rie. This gives me much to consider...

[Aloysius]

Also it depends on the ratio between your desire and belief in the possibility of it occurring. that and the "blowing of the circuit" can happen when disproportionate energies try to flow within a system that is unable to handle such energy. Cogs not designed to fit with each other will cause a lot of friction when trying to jam them together. Rie's explanation is much more to the point this is just an extra opinion lol

[Ankh]

I am being told if entities appeared to me and spoke to me in a clearly audible and visual manner as I desire, my mental stability would be momentarily compromised. My heartbeat and respiratory rates would increase to a pace comparable to shock, in general I would become severely "distorted." At this moment I cannot fathom why I would react in such away.

Is such a reaction mainly primal and from the more animalistic centers of our brain? Or is there something psychological here? Why would I supposedly react in this way?

Have you considered the possibility that this information may come from our negatively polarized friends?

"The center of each approach is the entrance into the conscious and subconscious in such a way as to avoid causing fear and to maximize the potential for an understandable subjective experience which has meaning for the entity. Many such occur in sleep; others in the midst of many activities during the waking hours. The approach is flexible and does not necessarily include the “close encounter” syndrome as you are aware."

"If there is fear and doom, the contact was quite likely of a negative nature. If the result is hope, friendly feelings, and the awakening of a positive feeling of purposeful service to others, the marks of Confederation contact are evident."

And as Ra said in regards to contacts with positively polarized social memory complexes, even it is yours:

"The infringement upon free will is greatly undesired."

[Adonai One]

Ankh, I have had great fear of being deceived for the longest time. I have checked and rechecked my current paradigm to the point of paranoia.

I only get loving messages. Additionally, a negative entity would likely appear to me immediately right as I desire it. They would not be forewarning me as Ra is doing with me now.

Additionally, this is relevant and consistent:

53.13 Questioner: What about the physical examination syndrome. How does that relate to Wanderers and to Confederation and Orion contacts?

Ra: I am Ra. The subconscious expectations of entities cause the nature and detail of thought-form experience offered by Confederation thought-form entities. Thus if a Wanderer expects a physical examination, it will perforce be experienced with as little distortion towards alarm or discomfort as is allowable by the nature of the expectations of the subconscious distortions of the Wanderer.

Feel free to underestimate my intelligence and competence.

[xise]

I have to say I share Ankh's concerns. The concern first arose for me many weeks ago when you did not reveal to us how exactly you were challenging your contact(s)....

[Adonai One]

I wouldn't even rely completely on challenging itself as a method of validating contact. I don't see how that quells a very intent negative entity.

I have called constantly upon Confederation entities to validate my experiences over long periods of time. I always ask if I am delusional and if I am being deceived. I am going through great trouble in believing this is all real hence why I seek tangible experiences. I hunger for proof.

In all my calls to the Confederation, I get a resounding comforting and loving message that all is true, all is well and that I am safe.

This goes without saying that the amount of potential danger surrounding this is overstated.

[reeay]

Mystics typically don't trust audio and visuals, I heard. That 'voice' may not be distinguishable from your own stream of thoughts and may come with an upliftment or sense of peace and joy. (This is based on several sources... something like common theme).

How do you go about engaging in spiritual discernment (this is not question pointed to specific person, but to anybody willing to share)?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Joseph Campbell talks about a man who lived his entire life in the thick rain forest, never seeing above the canopy of the trees. When led to the edge of the forest where the trees stopped and he was able to see the vast expanse before him, be broke down and couldn't function. This experience was so foreign and shocking to him that caused him to react similarly to how you are saying you might react to more direct interaction.

I tend to agree with what Rie said based off of my own experiences and studies. I don't think its necessarily a direct function of the polarity of the entity until a certain point. Experiencing anything so foreign and unknown is bound to throw us into some kind of shock, but I think even more-so when interacting with higher beings. I have heard it described as a "field" about them which would force unconscious distortions to forcefully bubble up, completely unrecognizable as anything but fear or an overlaying emotion. The Confederation tends to interact with thought-forms, so this field may not be present, but still the exposure to the wild unknown would be a factor. I doubt a wise Confederation entity would choose to interact directly like this unless they knew the person was capable of handling it.

[Ankh]

Adonai One, I understand that you might not want to answer this question, but I will ask it anyway, and it will be up to you if you would want to share this information.

Can you describe in details how you channel? What do you do exactly? And how do you do it?

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I have called constantly upon Confederation entities to validate my experiences over long periods of time. I always ask if I am delusional and if I am being deceived. I am going through great trouble in believing this is all real hence why I seek tangible experiences. I hunger for proof.

In all my calls to the Confederation, I get a resounding comforting and loving message that all is true, all is well and that I am safe.

This goes without saying that the amount of potential danger surrounding this is overstated.

My brother, this is what Ra said:

"Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel."

And also this:

"That which can be offered of the negatively oriented information is offered. It is altered to the extent that the entity receiving such negative information is of positive orientation. Thus many such contacts are of a mixed nature."

[Adonai One]

Adonai One, I understand that you might not want to answer this question, but I will ask it anyway, and it will be up to you if you would want to share this information.

Can you describe in details how you channel? What do you do exactly? And how do you do it?

With every entity I touch frequent base with, I develop a mantra with the intent that the connection is clear, unpolluted and true. I enchant said mantra in intense meditation to empower it. When I wish to receive the words of an entity, I clear my mind and chant said mantra, then I await the words of the entity. The mantra only specifically allows the applicable entity to reach me as through the principles of magical intent.

This process is not formal and I go as far as to do it anywhere... Although people ask me if I am alright and ask why I close my eyes so often. Heh.

[Ankh]

Feel free to underestimate my intelligence and competence.

Sweety, I have absolutely no interest in doing that. If you would want me to back off, just tell me and I will gladly do it for you. My questions and posts are not what this is about. What this is about is that I worry about you, nothing else.

[Adonai One]

Feel free to underestimate my intelligence and competence.

Sweety, I have absolutely no interest in doing that. If you would want me to back off, just tell me and I will gladly do it for you. My questions and posts are not what this is about. What this is about is that I worry about you, nothing else.

I love you, Ankh. Forgive me. Thank you for your concern. Please continue to speak to me in any way you please, ask me anything.

[Ankh]

Back to what you actually asked in this thread.

So, you are wondering why you would be thrown off your inner, mental balance if encountering the actual, visual, physical contact with a higher density being? And if it has something to do with your psychological development?

Well, Ra was able to contact Egyptians directly, because "It was our naïve belief that we could teach/learn by direct contact and the free will distortions of individual feeling or personality were in no danger, we thought, of being disturbed as these cultures were already closely aligned with a[n] all-embracing belief in the live-ness or consciousness of all."

So here is a clue. These individuals were closely aligned with an all-embracing belief that all has a consciousness and is alive.

But, Ra later learned, that this contact was impractical:

"48.3 Questioner: Thank you. If you, Ra, as an individualized entity were incarnate on Earth now with full awareness and memory of what you know now, what would be your objective at this time on Earth as far as activities are concerned?

Ra: I am Ra. The query suggests that which has been learned to be impractical. However, were we to again be naïve enough to think that our physical presence was any more effective than that love/light we send your peoples and the treasure of this contact, we would do as we did do. We would be, and we would offer our selves as teach/learners."

But I can share personal experiences. There was one time, before discovering Ra, when I got contact with positively polarized entities. I prayed for something which I don't remember now what it was, and suddenly perceived how some kind of "portal" which opened somewhere right next to me, and they "came in".

The air around me got dense (I don't have any better explanation that the air being dense); it got thick. And they gathered around me and stood there with me (I was standing at that time with my arms outstreched). My body hair stood up, and the whole space/time environment altered a bit, being... can't describe it, but not normal or usual.

I would guess that this "portal" was a link that opened between space/time and time/space.

Either way, they were there with me, and I felt it even in my physical body.

There was never any kind of fear or other negative emotions/feelings/thoughts. Just a sense of magics, infinity, and the prayer being answered by my Brothers.

I don't know though how I would have reacted if they would become physically visible for me. After this "encounter", there were many other encounters, but never of the sort you are asking about, i.e. visible for the physical eye.

[Unbound]

Too high a rate of energy transfer for most biological bodies to directly interact with the fields of such entities. Hence why the majority of "light vibration" are diluted by passing through several levels of consciousness (usually disciples, adepts and masters) before being in the bandwidth range of most receivers, e.g., people. The exhileration brought on by the sudden change in vibration could cause shock, perhaps even stroke or heart attack, like a cold dish suddenly being immersed in really hot water - it will shatter by the extremity of the energy transfer.

That being said, I, personally, have had only one occasion where there was clearly a being of pure energy in front of me, and even then it was highly veiled and I was not suggested to open energy transfer with it but to merely observe which is as I did. There was definitely much exhileration and I was in quite an altered state during the experience. I may have met the entity on two occasions in different forms, actually.

I get the impression that I was only perceiving an aspect of the being's astral form and did not actually interact with the being "in the flesh" insofar as it matching my vibration but rather I used an advanced form of aura seeing in order to perceive the energies in a space and the energy in the space was, by the presence of the astral form of the entity, organized or arranged to flow along that form.

It is true that challenging will not really necessarily cause a negative entity to leave you alone or go away that is persistent, but it is useful for awareness in order to know the orientation of what is communicating with you, or attempting to. For myself, I have learned to discern every thought that comes to my mind in accord with what I understand of the functioning of different modes of interacting with others. I spend more time focusing on what I feel in my energy, my body, my emotions and mind, however.

The challenge is realizing that sometimes negative aspects of ourselves may come up but if we treat them as external entities then we have no chance to integrate them. Part of discerning the sources of each inner impression and guide is about getting to know every possible aspect of the self.

What is important is how one uses the information they are receiving and making use of the different internal catalyst that arises from the many movements of consciousness we make in a day.

Also, individuals who are going through healing will inevitably have some dark stuff to deal with, so while I don't think one should feed themselves to entities, I don't believe it is better to keep oneself blind to dark presences. I would rather know where both the light and the dark stand, rather than know one for sure and wonder about the other.

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Oh, there is also the tons of social, media programming through horror films and sci-fi or fantasy movies which probably cause there to be an innate "awe" at the prospect of fantastical experience.

[Melissa]

The title of this thread made me think of something I've heard bashar say which sort of clicked, due to it's simplicity. There is nothing 'para'normal about it. Same goes for 'super'natural or 'extra'ordinairy. These are all normal, natural states of being and perceiving. Anyway, take care and have fun Adonai!

[Hototo]

You would flip out. That being said, If you accept it before-contact and agree that you will flip out but that they are not to mind it and infact continue or you will do something that is worse than flipping out.

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81.3 ▶ Questioner: Why is this an inevitable consequence? What is the mechanism of contact creating weariness?

Ra: I am Ra. The mechanism creating weariness is that connection betwixt the density wherein this instrument’s mind/body/spirit complex is safely kept during these workings and the altogether variant density in which the instrument’s physical body complex resides at this space/time. As the instrument takes on more of the coloration of the resting density the third-density experience seems more heavy and wearisome. This was accepted by the instrument, as it desired to be of service. Therefore, we accept also this effect about which nothing of which we are aware may be done.

Avoidance of weariness which is even more annoying than not knowing is, far as I can tell, the main cause.

[Melissa]

Heavy and wearisome.. Yeah, it's pretty annoying.

[Melissa]

I thought all agreements regarding contact were made previous to incarnation?

[Hototo]

I thought all agreements regarding contact were made previous to incarnation?

See thats where it gets to the "5th and 6th density wisdom have no use for 4th density creatures" part.

Where if you are trying to harvest to the 4th density then yes, they were made "previous to incarnation" and your line of thinking makes 100% sense and can be followed, aka:

"I ask for an alien contact and they pick it up because I have said before becoming of this body that I will allow alien contacts."

However. When perceived from 5th or 6th density perspective, it makes no sense because you've always only "been this body" and your belief in things like the quarantine and such actually make them happen by only allowing certain individuals into your societal construct.

So. If you are trying to "harvest" from 3rd density (my life is a chemical construct based on my parents + food) to 4th density through "yay aliens contacted me" or some variant there of, it makes perfect sense that you would first pick a societal surrounding in which no aliens are present, and then use the "yay, speciality of contact" motivation to create a charge that propels you to actual 4th D (Service either to self by using rarity of possibility or other self by pretty much the same but accepting its illusionary nature.)

But if you are trying to or working with 5th or 6th density catalyst then the above makes no sense and is in fact counter intuitive because you live moment by moment knowing that you create the emotions/surroundings you see simply to feed a curiosity about the current situation and your actual source of curiosity/question may not ever be truly answered if the conditions are altered, even though you could alter them at any time.

From the first perspective, the seeing of aliens can be a "yay" moment and can lead to a wonderful adventure.

From the second perspective, the seeing of aliens can indicate a serious "failure" in your societal processing systems that hold you to the 3rd density illusion of things like family, friends, relatives, houses, planets, recycling and so forth. For more on why the seeing of aliens can be hazardous especially in the 2nd perspective I recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End

Edit: Felt I should add a bit more to return better to your original question NA.

So depending on the perspective I take to my existence I may or may not truly be an alien to you. From that, what are you truly talking to? Because in a way I am just a point of light radiating outwards the current state of existence I wish to radiate. Much like a instrument radiating a tune to a song. I can radiate, without difficulty, the tune of the alien and believe it to be as true as my belief now that I am not radiating the alien. From that I can talk to you as if I am an alien or as If I am a human, but if I am in my human state and someone walks up to me and randomly announces that they are an alien, I tend to get anxious and desirous of moving away from said person due to perceived inability by them to associate normally and not only through the mask of the alien. However, I have no idea how others perceive interactions with "aliens." To me, they feel like a failure in my ability to find sufficiently creative people around me, as we are all aliens by default.

So emotional fluff aside. Depending on the density the speed and depth of motions can either be too exhaustingly rapid or too sluggishly slow. Too much time in either tends to exhaust.

[Melissa]

Well, that explains why I felt so confused about pre-carnated choices/agreements and how that relates to living 'moment by moment'. Thanks NS.

/I see it as neverending curiosity as opposed to missing creative friends

[Hototo]

The terms I used are deliberately analoguesque in a way that people would normally go "well thats not what I would do but" rather than try to emulate the situation presented which is why I prefer to be that way.

Its kind of like your "soul" self incarnates into your "me in relation to all archtypes" self which together write the "agreed upon rough consensus of "the play"" which together agree to act moment to moment the play that is your life, as agreed upon primarily by your soul which is you in agreement which are the archtypes as you associate with them in a rough consensus about the nature of things.

Naturally playing one part for an extended amount of time with no way out can get... intense.

So is it incarnated or pre-incarnated is hard to say because it depends on the view of "the play" you choose to take, therefore, its tiresome while not being "tiresome". All the world's a stage and all that.

[Horuseus]

Is such a reaction mainly primal and from the more animalistic centers of our brain? Or is there something psychological here? Why would I supposedly react in this way?

Well, it may be said that you answered your own question with the title of this thread. The very fact that on some level such an experience may be deemed as paranormal, or rather, outside of the parameters of what your Egoic structure may deem 'possible' within this system of reality one may currently adhere to, is quite telling I would have thought.

There was mention of a Bashar idea here. It is quite simple really. If you have Entity A ('ET', say), a molecular glob of mass which is vibrating at 10,000 KHz with a coherent, aligned thought and (consequentially) pattern structure of being, and you have Entity B (Human, say), a molecular glob of mass vibrating sporadically between 1-2.5KHz due to incoherent thought structures (and consequentially entertaining lower frequential pattern of thoughts for longer) than through resonance both will be forced to vibrate in tandem with each other.

In this instance, Entity A may as well be akin to a Tone Generator hooked up to a speaker blasting liquid with a certain frequency (See Liquid Cymatics). What will happen to Entity B (Human) is that it's molecular pattern of being and structure will be forced to vibrate or resonate at that particular shorter wavelength. Now, the Human in it's current state for the most part is far from a coherent structure, due to our entertaining of random thought patterns at both ends of the spectrum, trickling down to our physical structure, which in turn does not allow crystallization to occur.

The thoughts at the lower end of the spectrum/frequency in this instance would be what we call 'Negative', such as fear, hate, anger etc, and will need to be 'forced out' (Both on the level of 'Mind' and of 'Physical') as the entire being is forced to resonate with that higher vibrating entity, and so this experience will be felt as negative emotions (Or aspects of self unaccepted) suddenly rising to the surface, or consciousness of the Human to be addressed/accepted before being released. This sudden influx of a large amount of negative thoughts/unaccepted aspects of self/repressed catalyst etc will result in shock on many levels of Entity B/Human.

This is not even addressing the many belief parameters, programmed self identities and ideas about 'reality' which have been engrained and accepted by the Ego construct, which will be torn that in that momentary instance. Such an event would prove counter productive on many levels and as many channels (including Q'uo) have stated, you would go crazy. The veil is there for good reason.

[GentleReckoning]

Some channelers like Bashar did talk about how meeting entities of higher vibrations could have a very negative effects on people of lower vibrations (compared to higher vibration beings we may be of lower vibration). They say such disparity may cause fear, which could instigate survival instinct: arousal of nervous system and release of neurotransmitters such as epinephrine (adrenaline) and noepinephrine, which can lead to increased heartrate, hyperventilation, and possibly violence/aggression. There are no psychological explanations bc there have been no observations made to study this. Imagine uncontacted indigenous tribes in south america and how they could act in very defensive ways when contact is attempted. Not to say indigenous people are lower vibrations but that something unknown or foreign can instigate negative reactions due to fear of unknown or superstition or whatnot.

Survival instinct and emotions such as fear or anger is associated with the most primitive part of the brain, yes. It keeps us geared for observing and processing potentially threatening situations to ensure survival.

The way I understand it, their high vibration would would cause the person they're appearing to to begin to resonate at a similar vibration. Imagine two strings next to eachother. One is clean and pristine, the other is frayed and caked with mud. As the one resonates clearly and strongly the distorted string will begin to vibrate at that higher vibration sympathetically. This would cause bits of mud to fall off, and may even damage the string.

*edit: Somewhat redundant

Bringing this scenario back to reality, your system would begin to try and clear your system of excess distortion not congruent with the new vibration your system is attempting to resonate at. This would cause you to begin manifesting distortions as quickly as possible to maintain this state. Beyond that, the process of clearing these distortions could possibly have a shockwave effect throughout your life as distortions that are not immediately able to be cleared will manifest through time.

It's good in the end, but viewed from space/time will seem incredibly chaotic and possibly unwanted.

My thoughts. :p

[zenmaster]

You're not going to have clear visible contact from inner plane or higher density entities unless they were able to take on a 3D body.

[Melissa]

You're not going to have clear visible contact from inner plane or higher density entities unless they were able to take on a 3D body.

Are you suggesting they're not able to do that?