what did you learn today?

[Parsons]

I'm again reminded that people newly learning about the mechanism of projection will try to force-fit its operation on others, in an attempt to make sense of what they don't understand.

You are projecting a raised eyebrow onto my face because I'm not sure in this instance who or what situation you are implying is a projection.



:p

[isis]

nevermind

[Plenum]

I had some interesting thoughts about the nature of 'sharing' or 'giving' these last 24 hours.

the use of the word 'sharing' puts an emphasis on 'giving' and somehow someone being the giver and the other being the recipient. It's a notion that comes from childhood.

and sharing is great and all, and giving is most awesome

but in relation to the society, I've been thinking a bit more deeply about this aspect of the individual and the society.

I sort of shifted the understanding of 'sharing' away from the lines of 'giving' and rather to the notion of 'not withholding'. This may sound like semantics, but I can explain a bit more about what I mean about 'not withholding'.

when there is the sense of 'giving', there is also the possibility of what one gives of being rejected, or not accepted, or not valued. That can be a problem if the self understands this, and then one feels the need to perhaps give more, or always looking for opportunities, etc etc. That is of course, just one response, and others might react differently to it etc.

but if the emphasis is shifted to the self and 'not withholding', then the self and society can be seen as being integrated and merged; the 'not withholding oneself' means the boundaries are not really seen as being hard and definitive; there can be a flow between the self and society.

and by 'not withholding', the society can still reject or not value what one is, but on the side of the self, there is no rejection or reactivity. One is 'not withholding' who one is, and so there is an honesty and directness in the interactions. One is not insisting that societal interactions must take place in a certain way, but the interactions that do present themselves, one is allowing the full flow of the self to interact, given the parameters and cirumstances of the situation (and also recognising factors like appropriateness, helpfulness, service etc). The attitude of 'not withholding' sets the possibility of the full spectrum of interactions that may be possible, given their specific eventuation.

so rather than considering it 'sharing my time', 'giving my resources', etc etc, one can shift the attitude to 'not withholding' who I am.

the 'not withholding' statement also implies a state where boundaries are not regarded as definitive (there is a flow between self and other), but also that the act of 'withholding' is the more blocked and dis-aligned with energetic flows.

so one does not need to 'force' oneself to share or give or take on the role of a 'lightworker' etc etc. All one needs to do is not withhold who one is (whatever skills, abilities, insights, knowledge that one has), and the society can utilise, accept, or not accept, or find opportunities.

as has been pointed out by someone else on these forums, the self and society are not really distinct. Putting this attitude into clearer perspective can clear any self blockages that one may have accepted unknowlngly through a difficult childhood in which the self was seen as being rejected by the larger society.

[GentleReckoning]

I had some interesting thoughts about the nature of 'sharing' or 'giving' these last 24 hours.

the use of the word 'sharing' puts an emphasis on 'giving' and somehow someone being the giver and the other being the recipient. It's a notion that comes from childhood.

and sharing is great and all, and giving is most awesome

but in relation to the society, I've been thinking a bit more deeply about this aspect of the individual and the society.

I sort of shifted the understanding of 'sharing' away from the lines of 'giving' and rather to the notion of 'not withholding'. This may sound like semantics, but I can explain a bit more about what I mean about 'not withholding'.

when there is the sense of 'giving', there is also the possibility of what one gives of being rejected, or not accepted, or not valued. That can be a problem if the self understands this, and then one feels the need to perhaps give more, or always looking for opportunities, etc etc. That is of course, just one response, and others might react differently to it etc.

but if the emphasis is shifted to the self and 'not withholding', then the self and society can be seen as being integrated and merged; the 'not withholding oneself' means the boundaries are not really seen as being hard and definitive; there can be a flow between the self and society.

and by 'not withholding', the society can still reject or not value what one is, but on the side of the self, there is no rejection or reactivity. One is 'not withholding' who one is, and so there is an honesty and directness in the interactions. One is not insisting that societal interactions must take place in a certain way, but the interactions that do present themselves, one is allowing the full flow of the self to interact, given the parameters and cirumstances of the situation (and also recognising factors like appropriateness, helpfulness, service etc). The attitude of 'not withholding' sets the possibility of the full spectrum of interactions that may be possible, given their specific eventuation.

so rather than considering it 'sharing my time', 'giving my resources', etc etc, one can shift the attitude to 'not withholding' who I am.

the 'not withholding' statement also implies a state where boundaries are not regarded as definitive (there is a flow between self and other), but also that the act of 'withholding' is the more blocked and dis-aligned with energetic flows.

so one does not need to 'force' oneself to share or give or take on the role of a 'lightworker' etc etc. All one needs to do is not withhold who one is (whatever skills, abilities, insights, knowledge that one has), and the society can utilise, accept, or not accept, or find opportunities.

as has been pointed out by someone else on these forums, the self and society are not really distinct. Putting this attitude into clearer perspective can clear any self blockages that one may have accepted unknowlngly through a difficult childhood in which the self was seen as being rejected by the larger society.

Thanks Plenum, I'm having difficulty accepting the abundance that everyone in my life is offering to me.

[AnthroHeart]

There doesn't seem to be much abundance shared in my life.

[Horuseus]

I realised it isn't necessarily an 'Individual' in ones life that causes a seemingly negative reaction (Due to some transgression in the past), but rather what belief(s)/Unaccepted aspects of Self that Individual represents. A person which affords a certain Catalyst (Say a controlling/abusive Parent) only acts as a 'token symbol' within 3D reality for triggering the concepts/ideas of Control/Abuse/Authority within the Psyche of the individual experiencing said Catalyst. In other words the Parent is only a symbol for certain beliefs one 'rejects' or has not fully addressed.

This takes the lengthy process out of addressing each Individual which triggers a negative emotion (Which are only half measures) by going directly to the root cause. Once the belief/aspect has been addressed and brought into alignment, the 'symbol' (That was the word given) ceases to be an issue any longer. To put it in simpler terms you've found the button and have had it removed, and so you can no longer press what isn't 'there'.

In one of my sessions I was 'told' something similar a few months back:

"HS: Yes, each object in the physical world is merely a symbol. This symbol triggers a certain meaning within your psyche. A bed Is not a bed to you, but symbolises comfort, safety and so forth. This feeling of comfort, safety etc carriers a certain frequency. Your dream experiences are really symbolical equivalents when the frequencies are being translated. (...) Your conscious mind can only use the resources it has to form the nearest translation."

[reeay]

We call this introjection (internalized self). The counterpart of projection.

[Horuseus]

We call this introjection (internalized self). The counterpart of projection.

Thanks, wasn't aware there was a term for it. Always good correlation when experiences in parallel result in the same conclusions.

[reeay]

Awesome. I recommend studying psychology bc you seem very psychologically minded.

Weeding out what's our parents/society's expectation, hopes, distortions, and other-ascribed personality and roles with what it more 'true' for self is part of individuation process (becoming a mature, independent person).

[Horuseus]

Awesome. I recommend studying psychology bc you seem very psychologically minded.

Haha, had that very thought earlier today whilst doing a programming assignment actually. "Damn I should have done psychology". It's something I can certainly relate to, with very real benefits when applied in a practical manner. Quickly shaping up to be something I'll be looking into where possible though.

Weeding out what's our parents/society's expectation, hopes, distortions, and other-ascribed personality and roles with what it more 'true' for self is part of individuation process (becoming a mature, independent person).

Right. I'm sort of seeing it as pretty much 'unlearning what has been learnt'. It seems the task tends to be incarnating, growing to the capacity of where one is self sufficient, and then undoing those 20 years of conditioning/programming (Or whatever it may be before one engages in the inner work consciously). Those that do and decide to have children can be said as doing a great service to those potential offspring as well should the prior distilled learning be applied.

[isis]

Dolphins ‘deliberately get high’ on puffer fish nerve toxins by carefully chewing and passing...

Dolphins are thought of as one of the most intelligent species in the animal kingdom – and experts believe they have put their ingenuity to use in the pursuit of getting “high”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment...30126.html

[Plenum]

hmmm.

so today I decided to see how honest I could be, and so I sat down, closed my eyes, and said to myself:

"what catalyst am I avoiding?"

and an image of an egg came to mind. It was transparent, but I could see all the different parts - the shell, the white, and the yellow yolk inside. It wasn't a cutaway, but just a representation in my mind.

and there was this big pointer (like one of those 'big hands' that people wear at sporting events and expos), and it was pointing and flashing and pointing to the yolk inside.

and I sort of wondered what was being indicated.

anyway, I've been working on some yellow ray issues for a few weeks now, working on varying aspects of it.

as I sort of decoded it, I sort of received a nudge here and there, and eventually got some meaning out of it.

it was this:

in real life, I still have some issues getting around the physical presence component of interacting. This is things like making eye contact, and holding eye contact during a conversation. There is a bit of awkwardness there.

this seems to go back to my childhood, and when I was ostracised and bullied and excluded because of my race (being asian in a predominantly white neighbourhood). From those experiences, I think I formed the attitude that the 'physical shell' or the 'body' is somehow an impediment to communication, because people only see the outward aspects, and can't see through it to the inner self.

and that attitude was applied to myself as well. I preferred not to acknowledge that the physical shell existed at all, and tried to go straight to the 'heart' of interactions.

but that was really not-accepting or not-acknowledging or giving due weight to the 'body' in the mind/body/spirit triad. I've definitely downplayed the body at times in my seeking; although not to the point of neglect or anything like that; but definitely not giving it equal partnership.

so anyway, the fact that I saw an 'egg', and that the pointer was pointing to the 'yolk', showed to me that if I wanted to see the 'yolk' I would have to 'look through' the shell first. Being able to acknowledge, fully, that the shell exists, and not trying to write it off.

in a way, being in a digital, textual environment fully allows one to get to the 'yolk' without having to interact or acknowledge that the 'shell' (the physical body) has any existence. In a way that is a plus, as there are a lot of prejudices around physical appearance and age etc. But for me, it was an element of not really fully accepting that everybody is in a physical vehicle (myself included), and that we have to work through the physical vehicle (the 'shell') to really get to the yolk inside.

and that changed attitude should definitely have consequences for physical, live interactions. I guess I will put it to the test today

Plenum

[Namaste]

Dolphins ‘deliberately get high’ on puffer fish nerve toxins by carefully chewing and passing...

Dolphins are thought of as one of the most intelligent species in the animal kingdom – and experts believe they have put their ingenuity to use in the pursuit of getting “high”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment...30126.html

Love this! I remember seeing a tiger roll around in some kind of plant (I think) that gave it altered states.

[Wai]

What I learned today (actually yesterday):

To keep my mouth shut! Or at least, to know when to keep my mouth shut! :@

In my eagerness to offer a solution, I forgot that combining love (compassion) with wisdom isn't one of my fortes.

[Sagittarius]

Dolphins ‘deliberately get high’ on puffer fish nerve toxins by carefully chewing and passing...

Dolphins are thought of as one of the most intelligent species in the animal kingdom – and experts believe they have put their ingenuity to use in the pursuit of getting “high”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment...30126.html

Love this! I remember seeing a tiger roll around in some kind of plant (I think) that gave it altered states.

2d or 3d no matter everyone just wants to get high haha.

[Plenum]

well, just continuing with some more yellow ray work/understandings today.

I've long suspected that there's a close link between the Wheel of Fortune archetype (catalyst of the body) and my particular yellow ray understandings/misinterpretations.

the Wheel represents a certain randomness or unpredictability about the nature of the physical experience; in that there is only so much we can do to choose our environment, and then people and events play out as they will, outside our 'control' or volition. Part of a free yellow ray is being able to accept this unpredictability, and being able to accept what comes up on the next spin on the Wheel of Fortune.

part of that trust in the Wheel is being able to know or appreciate that no matter what is given to one in terms of physical experiences, there is a light that is able to be extracted from the experience.

when one doesn't trust the Wheel, we can develop fear/avoidance responses to certain types of physical experiences; shyness, not willing to speak up in a social setting, etc. Ie, instead of working with what the Wheel will spin next, we actively monitor the wheel in fear that it might give us a physical/social experience that is one we don't want to deal with. Social anxieties, not willing to expose a vulnerable side of ourself etc.

hmm. the explorations continue.

[Fang]

I'm learning that people who use (their interpretation of) the Ra material as an indisputable source of authority are usually pretty detached from reality and it disturbs me greatly how often people do this. Edit: I'm seeing the very ugly side of the overly complex human mind, learning a lot from it but I'd really rather not be exposed to such things.
On the brighter side I have learned that people are capable of bringing themselves back from very debilitating mental conditions, though rare it does happen.

[Adonai One]

I came here with no mission, no specific service to accomplish. Fundamentally, I'm here to balance out an obsessive, will-based incarnation while balancing out other parts of my being. If I don't become obsessive over some goal in this life and use catalyst in a detached manner while respecting myself and others, my fully-informed parallel self will be pleased.

[Spaced]

I came here to eat pizza. It's something my over-soul wanted to try at least once.

[reeay]

I'm learning that people who use (their interpretation of) the Ra material as an indisputable source of authority are usually pretty detached from reality and it disturbs me greatly how often people do this.

I've been seeing it be totally misinterpreted, too... It's good to study in groups, tho, at least we can bounce stuff off of each other tho some will staunchly stick to their interpretation.

What do you mean by detached from reality? Reality as in experience?

[AnthroHeart]

I've seen Ra material as an authority on densities of understanding, which aren't normally possible from our own perspective. I don't feel detached from reality.

[Fang]

I've been seeing it be totally misinterpreted, too... It's good to study in groups, tho, at least we can bounce stuff off of each other tho some will staunchly stick to their interpretation.

What do you mean by detached from reality? Reality as in experience?

It's getting to the point for me where it feels like the material has really done more harm than good.

Yes, experience, which is so fundamental and important, not only within the context of the Ra material but just in general. edited...

[Horuseus]

When I was first introduced to these forums my first impressions were that it was a religious study group for the Ra Material. Somewhat cult like and eerily viewing the Ra material as authority. Obviously that perception has somewhat shifted now, though I can certainly see why it may appear as so. Information is simply a tool, and like anything has the potential to be 'abused'. It is upto the individual and how they choose to assimilate.

That result isn't necessarily down to to those authoring such information, else we may as well lay all blame on Adam & Eve whilst we're at it.

[Fang]

I've been here since 2011, the overall attitude of towards the material has changed here in the recent years. There's also a shockingly high number of posts by people that have evidently not even bothered to read the Ra material, which doesn't really help the purpose of the site, as it is after all devoted to discussion of the Ra material.
I've seen a lot of views on the Ra material, and while these views on bring4th are at times bordering on the cultish, zealous side of things I wasn't just talking about this site, I have seen with my own two eyes these books used to justify selfish, pathological behaviour in "the name of love" or "service to others". Edit: and have done it myself

You can say "it's just catalyst for the individual" but that ignores the problem apparently addressed. Information is not just a "tool" either, that utilitarian view ignores the nature of information.

[Rake]

I'v learnt that full moons and OBE's go hand in hand for me on a personal level. Now I just need to understand why.

[Plenum]

I'v learnt that full moons and OBE's go hand in hand for me on a personal level. Now I just need to understand why.

full moons are always exciting.

so much emotional stuff gets dragged up; a lot of stuff that normally we hide from ourselves.

it can be quite a challenging few days, but the catalyst that is offered can be invaluable for growth.

it's fortunate that the full moon phase is only active for a few days each month though; I think most of us would become quite insane with that level of emotional intensity all the time.

do you learn much from your OBE's Rake? or are they just 'experiences'?

[Rake]

I'v learnt that full moons and OBE's go hand in hand for me on a personal level. Now I just need to understand why.

full moons are always exciting.

so much emotional stuff gets dragged up; a lot of stuff that normally we hide from ourselves.

it can be quite a challenging few days, but the catalyst that is offered can be invaluable for growth.

it's fortunate that the full moon phase is only active for a few days each month though; I think most of us would become quite insane with that level of emotional intensity all the time.

do you learn much from your OBE's Rake? or are they just 'experiences'?

Now you mention it I am quite aware of the strong emotional content that has been aroused in past full moons. Interestingly last night I believe my response to the emotion was the reason for my realignment with the physical body.

I find these states very real and the emotions more prevalent than in any dream where I can be more calculated in my response. Much more like in the physical world where as I found last night it's almost like you feel the emotion and are shown your 'default' emotional response. I didn't feel in control of my response to the emotion, or perhaps it was because the emotion was so strong I reacted emotional strong.

Although I was hoping for a more spiritual experience as I nodded off to bed with a lot of energy surrounding the head and crown chakra's. Perhaps my response was more in frustration as I expected more.

[Plenum]

Today I learnt about the gamma quadrant

The Gamma Quadrant is the common designation for one quarter of the Milky Way Galaxy. Its boundary is defined by a meridian passing through the galactic core and the Sol system, and a second meridian perpendicular at the core. Its closest point to Earth is located approximately 30,000 light years away. However, the stable Bajoran wormhole links a point four light years away from the Idran system in the Gamma Quadrant with the Bajoran system in the Alpha Quadrant. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine)

I am so geeking out on Star Trek right now

[Nicholas]

Well what I now understand is that the 'High Priestess' card that I most resonate with (my vibration rises when I see pictures of her) is my biggest strength in the context of learning something new.

Today I was driving home from work and on the radio Friday the 13th was mentioned. I immediately thought "oh Friday the 13th, that sounds nice". This was immediately followed by a tweet tweet of a bird as I was driving. The timing was rather syncronistic as there were hardly any more tweet tweets for the remainder of my journey.

Now for the learning aspect, Ra calls this 'guideposts' and my intuition tells me that the message here is a very simple one...Holy flaming mackerel!!! Right this moment the penny has dropped!

A house opposite where I work has at my last count 11 white doves that congregate on the roof. It is a run down old place and I wondered earlier this week if anyone lived there as why would so many white doves apparently dwell on the roof?

Of course! The tweet tweet is reminding me of those birds. Tomorrow after work I am going to knock and find out.

I cannot believe I just understood this mystical moment while sharing it here! I am tingling...woop woop!

[Phoenix]

Today I was about to call on protection of myself. And in accord with other experiences realised that the calling of protection is not useful. It causes more problems than it solves. And I will have to stop doing it; and it has crept into underlying a great amount of my psychology.