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AnthroHeart · 03-17-2014, 01:18 PM

So if we were drawing from the archetypal mind without distortion, what would that mean?

Adonai One · 03-17-2014, 01:30 PM

What is a being without distortion?

AnthroHeart · 03-17-2014, 01:50 PM

(03-17-2014, 01:30 PM)Adonai One Wrote: What is a being without distortion?

Infinity. Or perhaps Intelligent Infinity.

Adonai One · 03-17-2014, 02:11 PM

Bingo.

AnthroHeart · (This post was last modified: 03-17-2014, 06:30 PM by AnthroHeart.)

I thought the archetypal mind was a set of archetypes set up by the Logos. It would be a distortion of Love and Light, namely intelligent energy. So even undistorted archetypal mind would be distorted intelligent infinity. Unless Logos is at the level of intelligent infinity.

(03-14-2014, 07:08 AM)sunnysideup Wrote: It's to my understanding that the archetypal mind is a portion of the mind complex and a refinement of the cosmic mind chosen by the sub-Logos.
The cosmic mind ofcourse being that of the Logos.

I believe sunnysideup is correct here.

JustLikeYou · (This post was last modified: 03-17-2014, 07:09 PM by JustLikeYou.)

Gemini Wolf Wrote:So if we were drawing from the archetypal mind without distortion, what would that mean?

AdonaiOne Wrote:What is a being without distortion?

The archetypal mind is not itself being without distortion, nor is any use of them or interaction with them. Even the Logos that conceives the archetypal mind is itself already a distortion of infinity.

Rather, drawing from the archetypal mind without distortion would mean that you have a clear perception of the archetypal energies and their relevance to your everyday life. In other words, your use of the archetypes is not distorted.

Adonai One · (This post was last modified: 03-17-2014, 10:45 PM by Adonai One.)

I will only say I do not find this to be correct. I am open to questions in this regard.

This may seem rude but I say this out of a respect I wish to honor.

Sagittarius · 03-18-2014, 01:08 AM

(03-17-2014, 10:21 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will only say I do not find this to be correct. I am open to questions in this regard.

This may seem rude but I say this out of a respect I wish to honor.

What do you interpret use of archetypal energies as ?

Adonai One · 03-18-2014, 01:32 AM

The archetypal mind may not be a path to unity as it stands but it may demonstrate it.

Sagittarius · 03-18-2014, 03:26 AM

(03-18-2014, 01:32 AM)Adonai One Wrote: The archetypal mind may not be a path to unity as it stands but it may demonstrate it.

Couldn't that be interpreted as "using it" same underlying principle isn't it ?

Adonai One · 03-18-2014, 03:45 AM

It is my belief/understanding that the archetypal mind is a singular concept that is not only used but simply is. The archetypal mind is a distortion but may be considered an abstraction of unity and all things, that is the octave without distortion. Please use your own discernment with these words as you may feel differently. The archetypal mind is within the eye of the beholder and changes from perspective-to-perspective.

Plenum · 06-09-2014, 07:44 AM

(06-08-2014, 02:23 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I'm just going to cut this short and say the more archetypes there are the greater the catalyst. We have some of the most intense catalyst because of the 7th archetype. An additional one would be hell.

The catalyst archetypes are the Wheel of Fortune, the Empress, and the Star?

Adonai One · (This post was last modified: 06-09-2014, 04:08 PM by Adonai One.)

The catalyst is refined through the later archetypes into beliefs and knowledge... And in this theoretical archetype, absolute knowledge.

All of the archetypes, in my view, are varying levels of attachment to consciousness through unconsciousness. With the positive polarity seeking to unveil unconsciousness through the catalyst and the negative polarity seeking further veiling.

The catalyst is like yellow light in a light spectrum. In the end, it is all white light: Consciousness.

Later archetypes cause greater catalyst because of the preconceptions of catalyst in The Great Way that need to be released through greater catalyst. In other words, we have indoctrinations and unconsciousness on how catalyst is seen which further catalyst challenges by the opportunity of re interpretation.

Absolute knowledge would always have to be interpreted in every catalyst in a 8th archetypal system.

ChickenInSpace · 06-10-2014, 03:59 AM

Actually, shouldn't this be the 9th archetype?

Ra speaks about the archetype which is the Great Confusion of Mind and I reason there's also GC of Body and GC of Spirit as well (could be wrong, of course).

The theoretical Absolute of Mind, Absolute of Body and Absolute of Spirit doesn't only deal in negativity as I see it. I think it's rather neutral. Absolute Love is as valid as Absolute Pain.

Adonai One · 06-10-2014, 04:15 AM

I speak of The Absolute in the context of a species that has not reached the required spiritual mass to become all things. The Absolute to a point that everything is seen as one would be as you term "neutral". Assuming I understand you.

ChickenInSpace · (This post was last modified: 06-10-2014, 05:09 AM by ChickenInSpace.)

I didn't know you spoke of The Absolute in the context of not enough spiritual mass either.

I see the Absolute archetype as a blueprint framework for 'all that is', true, but it is still applicable on any level of spiritual mass as 'Absolute of Body' could mean both upper and lower limits of the Body at a certain point in time and/or space. This could be a child in Africa or a shaolin monk in China, hitting or being contained by absolute limits for what the body can handle for 3D.

The same type of example can be made for Mind and Spirit as well.

At least, that's how I think of the archetype.

Ankh · 06-10-2014, 06:20 AM

(06-10-2014, 03:59 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: Actually, shouldn't this be the 9th archetype?

Ra speaks about the archetype which is the Great Confusion of Mind and I reason there's also GC of Body and GC of Spirit as well (could be wrong, of course).

I don't know if you guys are just joking with each other, but I'll post this in order to clarify. Ra never spoke of 8th Archetype, i.e. The Great Confusion of the Mind and so on. I mentioned it once in one thread, and it was The Great Distortion of the Mind. It was meant just as a joke, and I appologize if it brought confusion to this forum. It was never my intention. Here is the post where it is mentioned for the first time:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid152584

After this it was mentioned couple of more times, in different threads, where among other things even The Great Distortion of the Body and The Great Distortion of the Spirit were mentioned. This was all jokes created by me and other members. Ra never mentioned that.

And in order to answer OT:

(06-08-2014, 02:23 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I'm just going to cut this short and say the more archetypes there are the greater the catalyst. We have some of the most intense catalyst because of the 7th archetype. An additional one would be hell.

I don't agree with you. The last Archetypes are Great Ways (of the Mind, Body and Spirit). There are only three Archetypes which are Catalysts. Catalyst is catalyst. The reason, among many, of why it is difficult here on Gaia, is because total use of catalyst is rare among our people:

"Catalyst is offered to the entity. If it is not used by the mind complex it will then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some form of physical distortion. The more efficient the use of catalyst, the less physical distortion to be found.

There are, in the case of those you call Wanderers, not only a congenital difficulty in dealing with the third-density vibratory patterns but also a recollection, however dim, that these distortions are not necessary or usual in the home vibration.

We over-generalize as always, for there are many cases of pre-incarnative decisions which result in physical or mental limitations and distortions, but we feel that you are addressing the question of widespread distortions towards misery of one form or another. Indeed, on some third-density planetary spheres catalyst has been used more efficiently. In the case of your planetary sphere there is much inefficient use of catalyst and, therefore, much physical distortion."

"We would note at this time that the totally efficient use of catalyst upon your plane is extremely rare."

Another reason, among many, to why it can be difficult in this particular solar system (considering Venus, Maldek, Mars and now Gaia) is because of thick veil and total free will. Unity100 mentioned this once in one of his theads:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1252

With this being said, when I read below piece of Ra, my heart started to radiate:

"The sevens plus The Choice is the greatest number which has been used, by our knowledge, by Logoi. It is the result of many, many previous experiments in articulation of the One Creator."

It is not only this quote, but the whole context in which it was mentioned in session 91. I am so proud of this sub-logos.

ChickenInSpace · 06-10-2014, 06:32 AM

I'm sorry to propagate the joke but since we were already discussing a highly hypothetical archetype I just wanted to max out the lot. I probably shouldn't have mentioned Ra in regards to it, though.

In any case I find both hypothetical (joke or not) archetypes interesting possibilities and I have no problems arguing as if they were actual.

The conception of more archetypes by us will also take steps of their eventual coming to be (perhaps millions or billions of years from now).

Ankh · 06-10-2014, 02:45 PM

(06-10-2014, 06:32 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: I'm sorry to propagate the joke but since we were already discussing a highly hypothetical archetype I just wanted to max out the lot. I probably shouldn't have mentioned Ra in regards to it, though.

In any case I find both hypothetical (joke or not) archetypes interesting possibilities and I have no problems arguing as if they were actual.

The conception of more archetypes by us will also take steps of their eventual coming to be (perhaps millions or billions of years from now).

I see. I just wanted to make clear that Ra never mentioned the 8th Archetype. Ra said that the system of sevens plus the Choice was the highest Archetype system known to them.

In regards to 8th Archetype, imho, it is like discussing the 8th energy center. What good does it do, if the entity is not even through the first three? Most of our people have not yet pierced the first three energy centers, so what difference does it make if there are 7 or 8 energy centers? We are still working with piercing that fourth, and I am not even talking about the fifth and sixth energy center. And the same is with the 8th Archetype. Very few will even reach the fourth, sixth and I am not even talking about The Great Way Archetype.

But that's just my opinion. Carry on, guys! Smile

Adonai One · (This post was last modified: 06-10-2014, 04:37 PM by Adonai One.)

Ankh, I hate to break it to you, but I really don't care what Ra mentions directly in this case. I am trying to decipher what they did not mention.

That book has no limits on my capacity to think.

I have touched things that mention this concept quite directly and that overcedes a limited set of interviews with one entity, that I hold on equal footing to my own capacity to decipher concepts.

(06-10-2014, 04:57 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: I didn't know you spoke of The Absolute in the context of not enough spiritual mass either.

I see the Absolute archetype as a blueprint framework for 'all that is', true, but it is still applicable on any level of spiritual mass as 'Absolute of Body' could mean both upper and lower limits of the Body at a certain point in time and/or space. This could be a child in Africa or a shaolin monk in China, hitting or being contained by absolute limits for what the body can handle for 3D.

The same type of example can be made for Mind and Spirit as well.

At least, that's how I think of the archetype.

I would find your assessment here in resonance with what I mean.

(06-10-2014, 02:45 PM)Ankh Wrote:
(06-10-2014, 06:32 AM)ChickenInSpace Wrote: I'm sorry to propagate the joke but since we were already discussing a highly hypothetical archetype I just wanted to max out the lot. I probably shouldn't have mentioned Ra in regards to it, though.

In any case I find both hypothetical (joke or not) archetypes interesting possibilities and I have no problems arguing as if they were actual.

The conception of more archetypes by us will also take steps of their eventual coming to be (perhaps millions or billions of years from now).

I see. I just wanted to make clear that Ra never mentioned the 8th Archetype. Ra said that the system of sevens plus the Choice was the highest Archetype system known to them.

In regards to 8th Archetype, imho, it is like discussing the 8th energy center. What good does it do, if the entity is not even through the first three? Most of our people have not yet pierced the first three energy centers, so what difference does it make if there are 7 or 8 energy centers? We are still working with piercing that fourth, and I am not even talking about the fifth and sixth energy center. And the same is with the 8th Archetype. Very few will even reach the fourth, sixth and I am not even talking about The Great Way Archetype.

But that's just my opinion. Carry on, guys!

Before the 5th "energy center" there were only 4 "energy centers." The 4th containing the potential 5th, the color "green" containing a potential "blue."

Ankh · 06-10-2014, 04:46 PM

(06-10-2014, 04:27 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Ankh, I hate to break it to you, but I really don't care what Ra mentions directly in this case.

It wasn't meant as an offense. But since this is mentioned in the Law of One Material sub-forum, and the Archetype sub-section, I just did want to clarify what Ra did mention and what they did not, in order to not confuse anyone.

I understand that you don't care about that, so please, carry on with your musings. Smile

Adonai One · (This post was last modified: 06-10-2014, 04:59 PM by Adonai One.)

Oh, I am quite aware that Ra founded these concepts. I was not made aware that I was limited to their very veiled model for discussing these archetypes. I was not aware that I had to follow the concepts exactly as written while never expanding on the material and its implications.

Additionally, I am never offended. I am quite happy and very expressive this afternoon. You can do no wrong.

Ra did not mention how these concepts could not be applied. They gave a very general and open model as far as I can see.

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