Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term

[Mystical Wisdom]

All are entitled to their opinion.

I humbly request that if and when you see nation rise against nation and the complete breakdown of the economy, you remember the words I've spoken.

"Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away."

Avoid hypocrisy and know the difference between inner and outer moral states.

"There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty."

[Sabou]

My understanding of Ra is that:

*The Harvest will begin approximately around year 2011. This Harvest is a time/space event, which means that all entities who will die after the year 2011 or are not incarnated at that time, will be subjects to the Harvest regardless of their personal circumstances (Ra, 9.3, 17.29, 48.7). So, unless we die, go through the Harvest/or not, and come back to tell everyone here, it is hard to say whether Ra was right or wrong about that. But my understanding is that the Harvest is in full activity right now, as that clock has stroke this hour.

*We, who are in space/time incarnation now, are in the so called transitional period, which will go on for 100-700 years (Ra, 40.8).

*During this transitional period there will be gradual, evolutionary process of body complexes by bisexual reproduction into full fourth density bodies (Ra, 65.25 & 65.27). First those dual activated bodies, who will then give birth to full fourth density bodies.

There is also this thread about gradual vs sudden Harvest, and I bet that there are many more about this subject in this forum:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=3610

This is how I interpret it as well, entities on earth right now who are only 3rd density and as well as those who are 3rd/4th density (though - and this is wild speculation - but 3rd/4th dual density entities may have a choice later to not face full physical death as we know it and maybe find a way to rid themselves of the part of them that is 3rd density?) will live out their lives of natural means whether that is death by old age or whichever way, and not until the last of 3rd density entities are gone shall the earth be able to approach full 4th density in space/time. Then there there will only be dual activated entities and full 4th density present on the earth and like i said the dual activated entities may be able to not face true physical death and become full 4th density entities.

But whadda I know ...durp ...

[Ankh]

I humbly request that if and when you see nation rise against nation and the complete breakdown of the economy, you remember the words I've spoken.

"Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away."

Avoid hypocrisy and know the difference between inner and outer moral states.

Is this your point with this thread? Fear-based warnings to this forum?

[Mystical Wisdom]

I humbly request that if and when you see nation rise against nation and the complete breakdown of the economy, you remember the words I've spoken.

"Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away."

Avoid hypocrisy and know the difference between inner and outer moral states.

Is this your point with this thread? Fear-based warnings to this forum?

No, the part you left out is my point.

There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty.

I simply am providing information so others will know what's going on if and when something does happen, but as always, information is distorted by the ego. Good intentions are seen as blasphemous. Equanimity is a choice.

[Ankh]

I humbly request that if and when you see nation rise against nation and the complete breakdown of the economy, you remember the words I've spoken.

"Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away."

Avoid hypocrisy and know the difference between inner and outer moral states.

Is this your point with this thread? Fear-based warnings to this forum?

No, the part you left out is my point.

There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty.

Well, I don't understand the relationship between what you said and that beautiful Ra quote.

Honesty is that there will be sharp increase *in the short run* of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes (17.1). Ra also told us that we have military bases on the moon, in our seas, and where else. We have also an incrediable power of distruction and whatnot else. Yes, honestly, this sucks... But this is a mixed harvest, and those incarnating right now are probably those people who are close to be harvestable, whether it will be to positive vibration or negative. But all are seen equally in the eyes of the One.

Anyways, before quoting Ra, you said "... when you see nation rise against nation and the complete breakdown of the economy, you remember the words I've spoken." Ok...? And then you quoted this:

"Know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. From such turn away."

Is this what we should remember? Seriously?

"Boasters, proud, blastphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving..." - dude... Seriously?? What if my parent wants me to polarize in a negative way, and it is against my free will - should I obey this parent? And this very word - *obey* - agian, are you serious? Obey? Like in master/slave relationship?

And *unholy* - in the eyes of the positive polarity, is *anyone* unholy, or is everyone and everything seen as God/holy?

Well, I will not interfere in this discussion again, since you are free to speak whatever you want. But I seriously had to post this, wondering - what on Earth is this...??

But that's my opinion! Thank God for Its given to me free will!

[Mystical Wisdom]

I was referring to remembering my original post. It would greatly benefit you if you didn't take everything literally.

Out of my post, you took the word "disobedient", translated it from its original form to obey, overly emphasized the word you re-created, jumped through a bunch of hoops to inquire whether you should obey as in a master/slave relationship ... How many conclusions did you draw within your own mind? I should be the one asking you, are you serious? You took it a bit far.

You don't have to be their slave. Respect/honor your parents. That is all. And as a service-to-others entity within third density, while all is well, it may not be wise to approve of injustice and wickedness simply because everything is God/holy. I wouldn't watch people being tortured and convince myself that it was a holy act. So yes, I would say there is a sense of morality in terms of deeming something "holy" within third density. We are beings of polarity, we are not sixth density beings. Our purpose is to polarize. While service to others and service to self are ultimately the same thing, having that mentality within this density could be detrimental and self-defeating, as you may polarize in neither direction and remain in this density.

Love and Light.

[Plenum]

Human morality is devolving. We have iPhones and HD screens, but the gap between the rich and the poor along with the absence of morality must be at an all time high. Our success is a failure.

I do think technology has many pitfalls. The primary one being a focus on an external object (even if it is used to communicate and connect), rather than a focus on what is going on inside, with feelings and catalyst.

I hold to the opinion that much of the allure of gaming and computer tech (speaking from a lot of experience here!) is to delay, distract, and siphon off many orange ray anxieties and disempowerment feelings. It is a temporary salve or daily hit, and then one day, you wake up 5 or 10 years later, and realise you feel just as disempowered as you did as an awkward 13 year old teenager.

but apologies for this side tangent

[Sabou]

I hold to the opinion that much of the allure of gaming and computer tech (speaking from a lot of experience here!) is to delay, distract, and siphon off many orange ray anxieties and disempowerment feelings. It is a temporary salve or daily hit, and then one day, you wake up 5 or 10 years later, and realise you feel just as disempowered as you did as an awkward 13 year old teenager.

but apologies for this side tangent

That was the realization that made me quite playing Moba's (LoL, Dota, Starcraft etc...) I was a wee bit addicted! (large understatement). Video games were a big part of my life until the age of 19. I was unable to demonstrate self control when i still had the games available so i had to uninstall them (I did this like 4 times though lol) and try real hard to resist the urges.

I proud to announce I have been sober now for about 5 months and feel great I do not plan on going back. I also apologize for adding on to Plenum's side tangent. It is all his fault.

[Nicholas]

I don't see any logical flaws as such. Just a selective Ra factoid approach to promoting your own thesis?

"It's how we learn"?

Only if we choose to reflect!

I fear that at times as well! But I do sense a Pharisaical way of thought. Do I bring anything but good intentions?

As far as commentary supporting a longer period of transition, is there anything throughout the Law of One that supports the opposing argument other than this one sentence that immediately contradicts itself?

At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

On the "Pharisaical" expression I had to go and look that word up and my initial feeling was this :@ then this then this...

So thank you for giving me food for reflection.

On the Ra quote you presented though other members have kindly offered quotes that support the other side of the debate. I do not detect a contradiction in this quote however so can you point this out for me?

Meanwhile let me start again. Welcome to Bring 4th!

We are looking at the same material through separate lenses and my guess is that these 5 books have not had such an effect on your focal point, as it has mine.

I was raised by a self proclaimed "Spiritualist" and thus am immediately suspicious of anyone who claims a title of "I am this" or "that"(your introduction on another thread). This identity or that identity is a part of the illusion and to use identities that claims some authorship in order to gain faith and trust, is to bypass the natural, gradual way in which it to build it. My understanding of building faith and trust in each other is to open the heart and honour agreements made.

One of my own distortions is that I take on a knee jerk protectiveness towards others, and in the case of the Ra material became defensive of it (as well as being concerned that other members may turn from the material itself and towards other members instead).

My username and yours are merely projections of our own archetypal biases. Are they not?

That said, the gradual process of harvest is my leaning as it is congruent with observational reality, which is paradoxically, "...merely an illusion...".

Finally to re-iterate, welcome sister!

[Openwave]

Q'uo points towards a somewhat gradual viewpoint, having a significant amount to say on the subject which may bring some conclusion. Q'uo mentions a 100ish year period for the pure 3rd density entities to leave the planet by natural death, and after that, a rapid progression as "the third-density population of the planet will indeed shrink in a natural and organic way".*

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0116.aspx

The suggestion has been made many times that the planetary sphere itself would, through the necessity of altering its magnetic polarity to some extent, shake off all life as a dog would shake off fleas. And indeed, one reason that wanderers first came to this particular planetary sphere was to transmute the infinite love and light of the one Creator through their physical and metaphysical instrument and out into the Earth plane, creating a net of light that would alleviate and ameliorate the tectonic distress which the Earth is now experiencing. It is our opinion that this plan, though working imperfectly, has reached a critical mass sufficient to enable your planet to suffer many smaller catastrophes that allow the majority of those upon your planet to continue to enjoy the illusion.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0902.aspx

Q'uo
Let us speak to some extent about this question of how fourth density comes to planet Earth. It is difficult to imagine something that one has never seen. The closest we can come to explaining fourth-density Earth versus third-density Earth to you is that each density is an illusion. These illusions are nested within the energy field of your planet. Therefore, the second-density Earth is visible to you, as is the first-density Earth, because it would not disturb you to see such as those densities. And, of course, you see your own density.

It would be very dislocating, my brother, for entities of third density to see the full panoply of fourth density as it intersperses with your own. Therefore, there shall not be the manifestation of fourth density until the third-density population of your planet has finished its work here.

It is very difficult for entities to imagine how such a large population, all across your globe, could just shrink and disappear. And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet.

Those with dual-activated bodies are far more able to see whether or not there is the necessity for further incarnations upon this planet. They will begin naturally to refrain from producing children. And so, by a fairly rapid progression after that point, the third-density population of the planet will indeed shrink in a natural and organic way, because there is the awareness that the dusk has come, the evening is at hand, and the work is done.

*So, what does that mean in light of Ra's statement of 4th density bodies being created? Where will they come from if dual-activated bodies 'refrain from producing children'?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

Analyzed from another thread:
Dual 3rd and 4th Density Bodies Are a Clue As To the Harvest

[Parsons]

I agree with much of what you have to say, Openwave. I would like to put my spin on it and address something that I know someone will.

Firstly, the elephant in the room: many people do not resonate as much with Q'uo as much as they do Ra for various reasons. The prime example being that it was a conscious channeling rather than a trance channeling. I don't so much mind that, but the thing I have noticed a few times is that a questioner with a strong opinion was given an answer which was essentially telling them what they want to hear. I'm assuming that is to preserve their free will. I still resonate with certain information from Q'uo, but I am careful to discern any reason for biasing an answer. In this case, I don't believe the answer was biased very much, if a all. The reason I don't see much/any bias could be that I am biased towards this answer, but I am taking that into account and am trying to look at the situation objectively.

My own interpretation of this is that they weren't necessarily saying the entire transition period would be over in 100 years. In particular when they said "And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet.", I think they were just referring to a milestone in that transition period. I'm guessing that by the end of the entire transition period, there will be no more third density entities OR dual bodied entities.

That doesn't mean I don't think that our society will be drastically different by the time all the pure-3D entities are gone. I think our society will be unrecognizable by that point, which Q'uo is saying will be here in less than 100 years. I think the world will change in very 'good' ways. I think that after the pure 3Ders are gone, the ones ready to graduate will have the opportunity to put some polish on their collective 3D incarnations in preparation for full 4D, but catalyst will tend to be a bit milder. I think there will still be some kind of veil, otherwise there would be no point in trying to work out some remaining karma in a dual-activated body since there is so little polarization outside of 3D because of said veil.

[Openwave]

My own interpretation of this is that they weren't necessarily saying the entire transition period would be over in 100 years. In particular when they said "And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet.", I think they were just referring to a milestone in that transition period. I'm guessing that by the end of the entire transition period, there will be no more third density entities OR dual bodied entities.

Now that you've pointed this out I understand what you mean. The milestone represents the entire earth population of dual activated entities only. Then, the 3D population shrinks quickly. But does it shrink along the way?

I would like to put my spin on it and address something that I know someone will.

Firstly, the elephant in the room: many people do not resonate as much with Q'uo as much as they do Ra for various reasons. The prime example being that it was a conscious channeling rather than a trance channeling. I don't so much mind that, but the thing I have noticed a few times is that a questioner with a strong opinion was given an answer which was essentially telling them what they want to hear. I'm assuming that is to preserve their free will. I still resonate with certain information from Q'uo, but I am careful to discern any reason for biasing an answer. In this case, I don't believe the answer was biased very much, if a all. The reason I don't see much/any bias could be that I am biased towards this answer, but I am taking that into account and am trying to look at the situation objectively.

Hmm, I can see that as quite a factor.

Looking back on this thread, Ankh summed up a plausible transition based off the Ra Material alone.

*The Harvest will begin approximately around year 2011. This Harvest is a time/space event, which means that all entities who will die after the year 2011 or are not incarnated at that time, will be subjects to the Harvest regardless of their personal circumstances (Ra, 9.3, 17.29, 48.7). So, unless we die, go through the Harvest/or not, and come back to tell everyone here, it is hard to say whether Ra was right or wrong about that. But my understanding is that the Harvest is in full activity right now, as that clock has stroke this hour.

*We, who are in space/time incarnation now, are in the so called transitional period, which will go on for 100-700 years (Ra, 40.8).

*During this transitional period there will be gradual, evolutionary process of body complexes by bisexual reproduction into full fourth density bodies (Ra, 65.25 & 65.27). First those dual activated bodies, who will then give birth to full fourth density bodies.

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This is how I interpret it as well, entities on earth right now who are only 3rd density and as well as those who are 3rd/4th density (though - and this is wild speculation - but 3rd/4th dual density entities may have a choice later to not face full physical death as we know it and maybe find a way to rid themselves of the part of them that is 3rd density?) will live out their lives of natural means whether that is death by old age or whichever way, and not until the last of 3rd density entities are gone shall the earth be able to approach full 4th density in space/time. Then there there will only be dual activated entities and full 4th density present on the earth and like i said the dual activated entities may be able to not face true physical death and become full 4th density entities.

But whadda I know ...durp ...

I have pondered this before as well with the same conclusion. It could be true..

63.28 ↥ Questioner: Then are these entities of which we spoke, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, are they the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true-color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

[Parsons]

This is purely my opinion and I will be getting quite a bit of extrapolation of the material.

Now that you've pointed this out I understand what you mean. The milestone represents the entire earth population of dual activated entities only. Then, the 3D population shrinks quickly. But does it shrink along the way?

I'm guessing it will shrink along the way. I'm assuming there is much less than 7 billion harvestable entities. So when we reach the dual-activated only milestone, the population should be only those ready to graduate at that point (plus some wanderers).

Looking back on this thread, Ankh summed up a plausible transition based off the Ra Material alone.

*The Harvest will begin approximately around year 2011. This Harvest is a time/space event, which means that all entities who will die after the year 2011 or are not incarnated at that time, will be subjects to the Harvest regardless of their personal circumstances (Ra, 9.3, 17.29, 48.7). So, unless we die, go through the Harvest/or not, and come back to tell everyone here, it is hard to say whether Ra was right or wrong about that. But my understanding is that the Harvest is in full activity right now, as that clock has stroke this hour.

*We, who are in space/time incarnation now, are in the so called transitional period, which will go on for 100-700 years (Ra, 40.8).

*During this transitional period there will be gradual, evolutionary process of body complexes by bisexual reproduction into full fourth density bodies (Ra, 65.25 & 65.27). First those dual activated bodies, who will then give birth to full fourth density bodies.

Yes, I agree with her assessment. However, I will say that if the clock has indeed struck the hour, the syptom of that will either be more wanderers 'filling in for' the extra bodies, or the population will start reducing. I actually think it will be a little bit of both. At first there will be a lot of pure 3D entities still around who will want to continue reproducing normally. Gradually, there will be more awakened wanderers and 3D graduates who will 'willinglee refrain from reproducing' or simply give birth to more wanderers or 3D graduates who need to work through a little karma.

I think there could be a marked drop in reproduction when the last of the pure 3Ders enter menopause.

[AnthroHeart]

I know I have no desire to bear children.

[Unbound]

I am quite excited to be a father, I bet our kids are gonna be little super-heroes aha

[Billy]

I am quite excited to be a father, I bet our kids are gonna be little super-heroes aha

That's very sweet

[Unbound]

Aha They're not on the way yet or anything, but I know we will have kids in time, I feel one of the greatest possible services on this planet is to be a loving, nurturing parent and to give your child the opportunity to think for themselves and to teach them everything you possibly can so they can have access to as many tools as possible but always directed and guided by their own interest, passions and emerging personhood.

[Billy]

Aha They're not on the way yet or anything, but I know we will have kids in time, I feel one of the greatest possible services on this planet is to be a loving, nurturing parent and to give your child the opportunity to think for themselves and to teach them everything you possibly can so they can have access to as many tools as possible but always directed and guided by their own interest, passions and emerging personhood.

Once again, that is so very sweet.

[AnthroHeart]

Harvest is when we die, so I think we choose whether we are ready for harvest or not. There's no pressure really. Except how much love and light you must sustain. The love I imagine is like a thousand hugs of angels. And the Light probably like a hot summers day (or so I've heard).

[Sabou]

"One reason there is no need to fear these changes is that these changes are largely non-physical. As the questioner expressed the question, it was clear that the questioner was aware that they take place in the unseen realms, the inner planes. Therefore, while these changes are absolutely radical and revolutionary, they are not changes that will affect life as you know it on planet Earth. Consensus reality shall reflect only shadows of these changes."

"This whole-hearted stretching and reaching for the light and this growing desire to learn the truth among so many of your people have greatly aided the situation as regards the strength of the field of third density at this time. It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over."

"Those not in incarnation at this time will not have another shot at living on planet Earth, taking flesh, and becoming choice-making, ethical, biological units, as this entity likes to call human beings, from the work of the one known as Dewey. It is not, however, a cause for fear that this is occurring. This is perfectly in order."

"You cannot become a fourth-density entity within third density. However you would be surprised how deep a change that you can make in the life of your body, as well as your mind and your spirit, by disciplining your thoughts. This instrument has talked many times about trying to live with fourth-density values, seeing what you can do, when you become aware of the thoughts that you are thinking, to examine them for what they may have to offer you. It is very helpful to see what you are thinking about and then to ask yourself if you could perhaps tune that instrument that you are to clearer and more productive thoughts."

[Ashim]

Harvest is when we die,

Bullshit.

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I know I have no desire to bear children.

That's probably a good thing being a male of the species.
Not impossible, but likely quite complicated and painful.

[Openwave]

Harvest is when we die,

Bullshit.

So when is the harvest in Ashim's perspective?

[Ashim]

Harvest is when we die,

Bullshit.

So when is the harvest in Ashim's perspective?

It's a time/space thing, so the question "when?" makes no sense.

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Ok, I get the drift.
Rid yourself of karma, work it off, go to those places that you fear.
Look at your relationships. See the bias that you brought into incarnnation.
I know, it's difficult.
The obvious.
Talk about the relationship to the mother. Complain. Chew it around.
Discover the true issue. Probably the father.
Delve into the core.
Meet the Guardians.
Meet Satan.
Meet Lucifer.
Seek his council.

[andreazzi]

Please check these quotes:



"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.


40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time."


I dont think its going to be only a time/space event, as it will evolve the entire planet consciousness/density, it surely is not restricted to time/space. Anyway, Ra does not say clearly when or how it is going to happen. In these two quotes, Ra says that it is going to happen in space/time and further he states that there will be a transition period of 100 to 700 years (after the harvest?). He refers to the planetary consciousness delaying the harvest but also says that the harvest will come as the tick of the clock. Really an unclear aspect of the material, what is your opinion, guys?

[Parsons]

The truth is I just don't know. I really think it is unclear from the material what exactly is supposed to happen.

It is interesting though rereading those quotes that Ra refers to the harvest as happening at a probability/possibility time/space nexus.

Nexus: the central and most important point or place.

[anagogy]

I dont think its going to be only a time/space event, as it will evolve the entire planet consciousness/density, it surely is not restricted to time/space. Anyway, Ra does not say clearly when or how it is going to happen. In these two quotes, Ra says that it is going to happen in space/time and further he states that there will be a transition period of 100 to 700 years (after the harvest?). He refers to the planetary consciousness delaying the harvest but also says that the harvest will come as the tick of the clock. Really an unclear aspect of the material, what is your opinion, guys?

The truth is I just don't know. I really think it is unclear from the material what exactly is supposed to happen.

It is interesting though rereading those quotes that Ra refers to the harvest as happening at a probability/possibility time/space nexus.

Nexus: the central and most important point or place.

Personally, I think "harvest" is a predominately time/space event. 

And in my opinion, what Ra means by "probability/possibility time/space nexus" is that beginning at that approximate beginning point (around 2011) the time/space gateway opened to a higher density.

I'm trying to think of a good way to explain this, but basically, every cycle of 3rd density which lasts 25,000 years can be broken up into 7 cycles.  I'm simply relaying my intuition here, so if this doesn't rez with you guys, feel free to drop it like a hot potato.  Each one of these cycles is like a portion of the "3rd grade curriculum".  The 25,000 year cycle is like the length of the school year for a 3rd density major cycle.  You get to try the class 3 times, before getting shipped off to a new school, hence why the master 3rd density cycle is 75,000 years long.

Now, going back to the cycles, you have 7 of them, and in each one you are moving through the coursework that is the 3rd density sub densities, so every (roughly) 3500 years society (in general) is moving through a new subdensity of 3rd density.  What does this mean?  It simply means that these are the opportunities being presented--doesn't mean people are actually utilizing said opportunities).  There are exceptions of course, and this is also tied to astrological influences but I don't have the astrological finesse to go into that correlation in any sort of rigorous detail.  So, anyway, the first cycle is moving through survival 3rd density experiences, the next one is moving through personal 3rd density experiences, the next one the focus is predominately on societal development, and then compassion, and then universal, and then you reach the end of the cycle whereas Ra said, the gateway to intelligent infinity opens regardless of circumstance, on the striking of the hour.  That's is the end of the violet ray cycle, which we are in now.  That is the "gateway" cycle of 3rd density, otherwise known as "harvest". Or rather, harvest is at the end of the gateway cycle, which I'm guessing was around the 2011 marker Ra gave.  The opportunities for stepping off this vibrational platform are many during this cycle, if said opportunities are utilized. 

And of course, many souls are both ahead of the "Logos curriculum" and also many behind it.  There are exceptions to almost every rule.

"Ra: Nevertheless, those who fall within this octave of intensifying light/love then experience a major cycle during which the opportunities are many for the discovery of the distortions which are inherent in each entity and, therefore, the lessening of these distortions."

Now it is true that in time/space movement through time can be more or less at will.  You can move backwards and forwards.  We would all do well to think of time/space as "mental space".  Now the reason why there is a specific period of time for "harvest" even though it is a time/space event is because time periods are connected to a certain type of mental space or vibrational attunement.  When you get on this merry go round of 3rd density time cycles, you are being tuned by the different opportunities being cranked out by the age you are in.  So by the time the gateway age comes around, you are (hopefully) attuned to step off into the appropriate time/space.  Mental spaces are connected to other mental spaces by similar mental spaces.  That makes sense right?  The end of violet ray time/space is the stepping off point to all spaces, which is why you walk the steps of light there.

So just as different physical spaces connect to other physical spaces, and are the stepping off points to other physical spaces (like an aiport, or a sea port for example), there are places in time that are connected to other spaces. Mental spaces that stepping off nexi to other mental spaces.

Another thing to keep in mind is that 3rd density doesn't disappear after harvest.  That vibrational layer simply isn't inhabited for a good long while (becomes deactivated or lies dormant), as the new 4th densities have to learn to shield their vibrational layer from the 3rd density children that will be in the veiled classroom.  Don't want to disrupt their learning experience you see.  And once that discipline is achieved, 3rd density will cycle again on that sphere.

The physical matter of each density is a reflection of the indwelling consciousness, thus, even though the physical matter of all higher densities is still very much physical, it takes on more subtle expressions.  Basically its a continuum between <matter-----------&----------energy>.  And as you move on to higher forms of a physicality, you take on more of an energy body, hence the whole electrical incarnation bit.  And also why Ra said that if they had come among the egyptians without taking on 3rd density replica bodies, they would have been perceived only as light.  Their 6th density physical manifestation is literally light.

Anyway, some interesting ideas to consider...    

[andreazzi]

Another thing to keep in mind is that 3rd density doesn't disappear after harvest.  That vibrational layer simply isn't inhabited for a good long while (becomes deactivated or lies dormant), as the new 4th densities have to learn to shield their vibrational layer from the 3rd density children that will be in the veiled classroom.  Don't want to disrupt their learning experience you see.  And once that discipline is achieved, 3rd density will cycle again on that sphere.

So, you agree that the 100-700 years period of transition could be the period in which the fourth density population is adapted to it's new conditions? Thus we would have a harvest in time/space and space/time around 2011 and then a period of transition in which third density would be suspended while fourth density population learns the means of it's new reality?

As I said, that would be my guess, but I'm not so sure. Again, I cannot understand why you guys think harvest would be a time/space event, is there a quote from Ra or Q'uo that lays the foundation for this line of thinking?

Q'uo stated that:
"It is very difficult for entities to imagine how such a large population, all across your globe, could just shrink and disappear. And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet."

But, guys, really, is that what we see in the world today? This just doesn't resonate with me. To me, this statement implies some kind of evolution in consciousness brought by the dual activated children been born lately, but I just can't see this happening, I just see things getting darker and darker, lower and lower in vibration (please, tell me I'm wrong), though I am amazed how my own perception of reality has been raising in the last years, I do not see this vibration getting higher to most of the people, including children and teens.

[darklight]

I remember Ra said that early 4th density beings do not know how to hide themselves from 3th density beings, because they are probably not yet aware of their graduation. Can someone find the link in the Law of One?

It could indeed possible that a minority is already graduated, but doesn't aware of that. Maybe, in some cases, time/space is not necessary...

[AnthroHeart]

I thought walking the steps of light was required for graduation. But I've had experience of doing that in a vision. It was the sun's warmth that got brighter.

[Bluebell]

does anyone but me imagine this as the steps?