Law of One Religion?

[isis]

Raise your hand if you see Carla as your guru.

*no one raises hand*

[Diana]

I suppose Jim, and Carla, (and Don), by throwing themselves out to the public, accepted the responsibility of possibly inciting adulation of some sort. But I wouldn't wish it on them. It's not just about being unproductive for the follower.

Carla has told me several times on the radio show that she didn't want to be anyone's guru. I have always admired this about her. You are right though, that sharing personal details about her life has sort of put her in the spotlight. I don't think that was her intention though. If anything, I think she wants everyone to know that she's just a regular person and to NOT put her on a pedestal!

I wasn't referring to personal details that Carla may have shared. I meant that anyone who becomes a public figure, especially one who is imparting self-help, spiritual, religious etc. material runs the risk of being "followed" rather than just being the instrument by which the information was offered. I don't know why, but humans have a tendency to adulate and give their power over to others. This is a burden on the persons being adulated, which must be accepted as part of the act of being of service in this way.  

[Regulus]

—
To Monica:

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think"—Adolf Hitler


Above quote came to mind after reading your post as a thought on sovereignty of individuals: to think for oneself and discern for ourselves the validity our source of information whether it be from world "leaders," to mass media, to organized religion, to harmonics of our brothers and sisters of Confederation; find within each of us that which rings true in our hearts and carry on from there for truth to one may not apply to another

"We are very honored to have [this opportunity] and wish to express our happiness at being able to share our thoughts with you, but always with the understanding that we are your brothers and are not all-wise or all-knowing but only beings who can make errors. Thus, we attempt to tell you the truth as we understand it but do not ask for your complete [belief] but rather your careful consideration, for yourself are the, shall we say, master (inaudible), the creator of your destiny.."—Latwii summer of 1980
 
It seems your thoughts, Monica, are in congruence with the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the One Infinite Creator
 
I wonder if this is what you meant


-Regulus

[Ankh]

Pretty awesome dream Ankh..I can imagine some sort of similar situation as we were all gathered together before we incarnated.

Yes, I agree. All of us here are probably of such senior vibrations that all of us planned our incarnations. We also knew that it may be a chance that we would live during times when Ra group would be able to transfer their teachings to our plane, but it was uncertain. I can imagine that Ra group planned to transfer their teachings in the way that they did for quite some time, probably ever since Akhenaton times. We took the risk of incarnating nevertheless. Anyways, they are here, the teachings of the Law of One. Awesome!

I can also imagine that these teachings will, together with other things like Dewey Larson's theories, be part of the future, of fourth density of this planet.

[Billy]

Can it actually be said that all interpretations and views are of equal value?  Is it wrong to say that some interpretations may be closer to the truth and therefore more accurate and beneficial than others?  Ra was pretty quick to point out that certain interpretations were incorrect.  I guess this brings up the whole topic and debate of moral relativism.

[Minyatur]

I suppose Jim, and Carla, (and Don), by throwing themselves out to the public, accepted the responsibility of possibly inciting adulation of some sort. But I wouldn't wish it on them. It's not just about being unproductive for the follower.

Carla has told me several times on the radio show that she didn't want to be anyone's guru. I have always admired this about her. You are right though, that sharing personal details about her life has sort of put her in the spotlight. I don't think that was her intention though. If anything, I think she wants everyone to know that she's just a regular person and to NOT put her on a pedestal!

After 3 years of interviewing Carla every week, I was always impressed by how humble she was. This is one of the reasons I cringe whenever I see people putting her in that position. By working with her so closely for 3 years, I developed a strong love for her as a person, not just as the channeler of the Law of One. So yes, it does bother me when I see people do the exact opposite of what she wanted. I guess I feel protective of her.

Well Jesus had wars fought in his name so it's not that bad

Pretty awesome dream Ankh..I can imagine some sort of similar situation as we were all gathered together before we incarnated.

Yes, I agree. All of us here are probably of such senior vibrations that all of us planned our incarnations. We also knew that it may be a chance that we would live during times when Ra group would be able to transfer their teachings to our plane, but it was uncertain. I can imagine that Ra group planned to transfer their teachings in the way that they did for quite some time, probably ever since Akhenaton times. We took the risk of incarnating nevertheless. Anyways, they are here, the teachings of the Law of One. Awesome!

I can also imagine that these teachings will, together with other things like Dewey Larson's theories, be part of the future, of fourth density of this planet.

What risk is there to wandering? I see it as a way of spending some time of our infinite lifespans. Even if you get stuck for many incarnations what difference is there with simply incarnating many times willingly. IMO, one who would not awaken could probably hope to learn more from his incarnation than one who awakens.

[Monica]

I wasn't referring to personal details that Carla may have shared. I meant that anyone who becomes a public figure, especially one who is imparting self-help, spiritual, religious etc. material runs the risk of being "followed" rather than just being the instrument by which the information was offered. I don't know why, but humans have a tendency to adulate and give their power over to others. This is a burden on the persons being adulated, which must be accepted as part of the act of being of service in this way.  

Yes, I agree. Many public figures revel in that. It becomes an ego thing for them. Not so for Carla.

...which makes it all the more disturbing when people put her in that position, especially when it's ridiculous things and not even her admirable traits, of which she has many.

[Monica]

—
To Monica:

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think"—Adolf Hitler


Above quote came to mind after reading your post as a thought on sovereignty of individuals: to think for oneself and discern for ourselves the validity our source of information whether it be from world "leaders," to mass media, to organized religion, to harmonics of our brothers and sisters of Confederation; find within each of us that which rings true in our hearts and carry on from there for truth to one may not apply to another

"We are very honored to have [this opportunity] and wish to express our happiness at being able to share our thoughts with you, but always with the understanding that we are your brothers and are not all-wise or all-knowing but only beings who can make errors. Thus, we attempt to tell you the truth as we understand it but do not ask for your complete [belief] but rather your careful consideration, for yourself are the, shall we say, master (inaudible), the creator of your destiny.."—Latwii summer of 1980
 
It seems your thoughts, Monica, are in congruence with the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the One Infinite Creator
 
I wonder if this is what you meant


-Regulus

 YES!!! Exactly! Thank you for finding that very valuable and astute quote!

[Monica]

Can it actually be said that all interpretations and views are of equal value?  Is it wrong to say that some interpretations may be closer to the truth and therefore more accurate and beneficial than others?  Ra was pretty quick to point out that certain interpretations were incorrect.  I guess this brings up the whole topic and debate of moral relativism.

That's a very good question. I've seen it done, by moderators. Apparently it's ok to do that, as long as one's interpretation is the popular one. 

Yes, this does bring up a very deep topic of moral relativism. Who gets to decide? And isn't that a hallmark of religion, when 'authorities' decide which is the 'correct' interpretation and tell others what to believe?

There are certain tenets of the Law of One that are considered established. I've seen moderators reiterate these points as a given.

Again: Who gets to decide?

[Spaced]

Lol sorry monica, I can't take that post seriously while you are stating that anyone who eats meat is objectively service to self oriented in your signature.

[Monica]

Lol sorry monica, I can't take that post seriously while you are stating that anyone who eats meat is objectively service to self oriented.

Read it again. That's not what I said at all. I said the action is STS. I said nothing about the person.

[Spaced]

Ah. so the ACTION is objectively service to self. gotcha. Glad to hear the correct interpretation.

[Monica]

Ah. so the ACTION is objectively service to self. gotcha. Glad to hear the correct interpretation.

Finally! Someone understands! HAPPY DANCE!!! 

[Minyatur]

Lol sorry monica, I can't take that post seriously while you are stating that anyone who eats meat is objectively service to self oriented in your signature.

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else. You are simply the Creator priorizing the Creator over the Creator got that?

[Spaced]

Good to know we are now separating the actor from the action in addition to cherry-picking concepts from the Law of One to make moral judgments on the actions of others.

[Monica]

Good to know we are now separating the actor from the action in addition to cherry-picking concepts from the Law of One to make moral judgments on the actions of others.

Yes, making moral judgments is the ultimate sin...MUCH worse than killing someone! Let's be sure to make that clear, when we establish our doctrine.

[Spaced]

Don't recall ever making any such claims.

[Monica]

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

[Monica]

Don't recall ever making any such claims.

That seems to be consensus here, in my observation.

[Ashim]

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

What is meant here? How often, or how determined?

You state "..exactly!" then confuse me with what you're agreeing with.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your signature?
Wiping your ass is STS for fucks sake, so what are you telling us?

[Monica]

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

What is meant here? How often, or how determined?

Ra has explained the ratios. It is in the Material.

You state "..exactly!" then confuse me with what you're agreeing with.

There is a distinction between an action being inherently STS, vs. a person being polarized STS.

Whether that action is 'good or bad' is relativistic, depending on the desired path. An entity seeking polarity on the STS path would benefit differently (in terms of polarization) than an entity who is STO-oriented, though they might make the same choice in a given situation.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your signature?
Wiping your ass is STS for fucks sake, so what are you telling us?

My sig expresses my views, as do all signatures.

By the way, I've had this signature for almost a year. Why all the fuss all of a sudden?

[Ashim]

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

What is meant here? How often, or how determined?

Ra has explained the ratios. It is in the Material.

You state "..exactly!" then confuse me with what you're agreeing with.

There is a distinction between an action being inherently STS, vs. a person being polarized STS.

Whether that action is 'good or bad' is relativistic, depending on the desired path. An entity seeking polarity on the STS path would benefit differently (in terms of polarization) than an entity who is STO-oriented, though they might make the same choice in a given situation.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your signature?
Wiping your ass is STS for fucks sake, so what are you telling us?

My sig expresses my views, as do all signatures.

By the way, I've had this signature for almost a year. Why all the fuss all of a sudden?

Because your views are toxic.
"People do not need meat" you say.
Well, a considerable part of the Veil is enabled by the fear that these food animals contribute to the planetary vibration.
A 'person' by definition is a mask. A being in the process of remembering but still with 'personality', or aspects that are not true to the soul identity.
You imply that eating meat can effect polarity. This is particularly worrying.

So, we have seen that folks are investing millions in environmentally sustainable meat substitute products (Bill Gates etc.)
There is a trend towards a  meat free diat; the pointers are looking good.

What is your contribition Monica?
Do you think that your signature is helping you achieve your goal?

[AnthroHeart]

I've tried Soyrizo which is soy chorizo, and it was pretty good with eggs on flour tortilla.

But tortilla's are made with lard, so I think they're not really vegetarian.

Oh well, corn tortillas are pretty good too.

[Minyatur]

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

What is meant here? How often, or how determined?

You state "..exactly!" then confuse me with what you're agreeing with.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your signature?
Wiping your ass is STS for fucks sake, so what are you telling us?

I would view wiping your ass as STO

STS does not mean bad, it means that you priorize yourself over someting else.

Yes, exactly! And, the overall ratio of how much one does that, determines their polarity. Agreed?

What is meant here? How often, or how determined?

Ra has explained the ratios. It is in the Material.

You state "..exactly!" then confuse me with what you're agreeing with.

There is a distinction between an action being inherently STS, vs. a person being polarized STS.

Whether that action is 'good or bad' is relativistic, depending on the desired path. An entity seeking polarity on the STS path would benefit differently (in terms of polarization) than an entity who is STO-oriented, though they might make the same choice in a given situation.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your signature?
Wiping your ass is STS for fucks sake, so what are you telling us?

My sig expresses my views, as do all signatures. 

By the way, I've had this signature for almost a year. Why all the fuss all of a sudden?

Because your views are toxic.
"People do not need meat" you say.
Well, a considerable part of the Veil is enabled by the fear that these food animals contribute to the planetary vibration.
A 'person' by definition is a mask. A being in the process of remembering but still with 'personality', or aspects that are not true to the soul identity. 
You imply that eating meat can effect polarity. This is particularly worrying.

So, we have seen that folks are investing millions in environmentally sustainable meat substitute products (Bill Gates etc.)
There is a trend towards a  meat free diat; the pointers are looking good.

What is your contribition Monica? 
Do you think that your signature is helping you achieve your goal?

Well I'm not here to judge what anyone is saying but isn't this disproportionated compared to the said signature? I view this as more harsh and potentially more "toxic" as such if anything can truly be "toxic".

[Monica]

Because your views are toxic.

Promoting compassion for our younger other-selves is toxic...Interesting. I hadn't heard that one before!

"People do not need meat" you say.
Well, a considerable part of the Veil is enabled by the fear that these food animals contribute to the planetary vibration.

I hadn't heard that one before either! So are wars and violence towards humans also enabling the veil?

And is keeping the veil intact more important than having compassion?

You imply that eating meat can effect polarity. This is particularly worrying.

If your main objective is keeping the veil intact, I can see how you might think that.

[Monica]

I would view wiping your ass as STO

LOL!  

[Shawnna]

This whole dialog makes me sad.

[isis]

This whole dialog makes me sad.

Thanks for sharing.

I think it's amusing. Especially the part where Monica is like, "NO NO NO NO!!! That is NOT what I said AT ALL!"

[Monica]

This whole dialog makes me sad.

Thanks for sharing.

I think it's amusing. Especially the part where Monica is like, "NO NO NO NO!!! That is NOT what I said AT ALL!"

I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

[Karl]

It seems to have toned down since yesterday. The conversations are kinda fizzling instead of exploding all at once.