Jesus, Yahweh, Biblical Characters and Thoughtforms...and 'Dark Side' of 'God' ?

[peelstreetguy]

Thanks, Cyclops.

[Monica]

Moderator note: Yet another thread about Yahweh has been merged with this one.

[unity100]

Moderator note: This is from session 16, in a passage left out of the original version. For full text of this revised version, please see:

http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php?titl...oldid=2313

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Questioner:[What contacts has the Orion group made with our planet?]


Ra:I am Ra. Approximately four five thousand [45,000] years ago an attempt was made. It was not successful. Approximately two six oh oh, 2,600, years ago the group sent an entity of social memory complex to this planetary sphere. This effort met with some success but was in the space/time continuum lessened in impact. Since approximately two three oh oh, 2,300 years ago in your measure this group has constantly been working upon the harvest just as the Confederation.

Questioner: Can you name the entity that they sent 2,600 years ago?

I am Ra. This entity named by your peoples, Yahweh.

basically says, since 600 BC, a negative societal complex is working on earth. 600 BC in timeline just precedes founding of persian empire, which was an empire based on zoroastrianism, and roman republic, which was first a republic, then an empire, heavily employing slavery, leaving aside serious elitism. other possibilities may be found.

it is highly likely that this entity concentrated its efforts in middle east, where it was able to seed anything, and any population, society or social structure (or, of course, any souls) that were related or linked with it in any way.

[Monica]

Why was this passage removed? It must have been very shocking at the time. It would still be shocking to many, even now.

Does this correlate to the biblical chronology?

[unity100]

is it now in place in regular text of lawofone.info and the downloadable pdfs ?

[βαθμιαίος]

It was actually 3,600 years ago. Ra corrects the error here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...18&ss=1#20

The Orion group left physically 3,000 years ago.

[Monica]

It was actually 3,600 years ago. Ra corrects the error here: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...18&ss=1#20

The Orion group left physically 3,000 years ago.

Ah, thanks, that makes much more sense! This fits in pretty close to the bible timeline.

Hmmm....Which would indicate the entire Old Testament is based on the Orion influence.

Yeah, that fits.

[Godz Enigma]

well, this is my first post where i am going to join in, and add my 2 cents.. here goes.

I would agree that the 10 commandments were placed into the hearts and minds of men by those Ra calls the Orion group. This group would know the hearts of men, the laws of the flesh... and what better way to plant seeds of negativity, resentment and frustration and total separation from the truth, love and light...than to give man a list he obviously thought was straight from GOD... the Orion group already knew men could not follow. Then tell them they will fall from the loving grace of their creator..if they fall short.

It is my feeling...that the "anti-christ" is the distortion of the christian faith. Yehoshua did a very good job of raising the awareness of love...only to have it beaten down ( i guess by the same, Orion group) and even told people that they were going to do it. I have only JUST started reading the Christian Bible with interest, it did not make sense to me before i started reading the Law of One. It would make me physically ill to read it for any length of time.

anyway...if it matters. About 6 months ago i was doing the same research on the name of jesus after i had read what Ra had to say about him, it finally made sense to me!. And i even had a dream, of sitting around a campfire with many men, and Yehoshua was there. We talked. I took that as a personal approval. <3

[1deki]

I dont get it! How could Orion sent Yahweh? Was that entity pretending to be YHWH or was it THE YHWH?

[unity100]

it appears the orion entity sent 2600 years ago usurped yahweh's name and identity in the view of earth population. so, the original yahweh had to change, and is now nameless, and broadcasting an understanding of 'he is coming'.

[Monica]

it appears the orion entity sent 2600 years ago usurped yahweh's name and identity in the view of earth population. so, the original yahweh had to change, and is now nameless, and broadcasting an understanding of 'he is coming'.

It's important to note that both the original Yahweh (YHWH) and the usurper were SMC's which the people of the time thought was the Creator.

Edit: I was mistaken. See post #58.

[βαθμιαίος]

It's important to note that both the original Yahweh (YHWH) and the usurper were Social Memory Complex's which the people of the time thought was the Creator.

I've often wondered whether the original Yahweh was a social memory complex or not. Can you tell me how you know this?

[Eddie]

I'm reading Joseph Farrell's The Cosmic War right now, and among other things, he shows evidence that Yahweh was Enki (see Sitchin, et al). It all has to do with a misunderstanding/mistranslation of Hebrew by biblical scholars.

Ancient Semitic writings are full of word-plays that are easily misunderstood by modern (and even ancient) translators. When Moses asks Yahweh what he should tell the Israelites his (Yahweh's) name is, Yahweh gives an answer that was construed by scholars as "Eyah asher Eyah" ("I am that I am"), which doesn't make much sense. The answer from Yahweh, according to a source quoted by Farrell, should have been interpreted as "Eyah asher Ea" ("I am [he] that is Ea"), Ea being the eastern Semitic name for the Sumerian god Enki.

This interpretation ties up a whole lot of loose ends, not the least of which is Ra's assertion that Yahweh was a Service-to-Self entity. I'd urge all of you to read Farrell's book. He gets some things wrong (notably his explanation for the Great Pyramid at Giza), but his basic examination of Enlil, Enki, ancient advanced technology, and ancient interplanetary war, is a brilliant piece of forensic detective work, and a great read.

[unity100]

The error we have discovered concerns one of the arrivals of both the Orion group into your planetary sphere of influence and the corresponding arrival of emissaries of the Confederation. We gave dates of two six oh oh [2,600] years for the Orion entry, two three oh oh [2,300] for Confederation entry. This is incorrect. The recalculation indicates numbers three six oh oh [3,600] for Orion entry, three three oh oh [3,300] for Confederation entry.

Session 17, opening.

this is more proper. i forgot that. 1600 and 1200 bc. 1600 bc corresponds with moses.

[xlsander]

well - where in all this does "allah" sit?

supposedly allah, god and yahweh are all the same "god" isnt that so?

[Eddie]

The error we have discovered concerns one of the arrivals of both the Orion group into your planetary sphere of influence and the corresponding arrival of emissaries of the Confederation. We gave dates of two six oh oh [2,600] years for the Orion entry, two three oh oh [2,300] for Confederation entry. This is incorrect. The recalculation indicates numbers three six oh oh [3,600] for Orion entry, three three oh oh [3,300] for Confederation entry.

Session 17, opening.

this is more proper. i forgot that. 1600 and 1200 bc. 1600 bc corresponds with moses.

Remember that this material was channeled circa 1980-1982, so the date would be ~1620 BC. This also corresponds with a worldwide calamity; see Mike Baillie's excellent book Exodus to Arthur for more information.

Exodus to Arthur

[unity100]

well - where in all this does "allah" sit?

supposedly allah, god and yahweh are all the same "god" isnt that so?

very probably, from the same orion source. not only because all these religious scriptures inherit concepts, places and people from each other, in the same direction in the message and tone of their scripture, but also, since the orion group invested in that zone, it is only natural to follow up and build on.

[βαθμιαίος]

Ra says that Muhammed "delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships," (2.2) so presumably the Allah concept is somewhat mixed like all of our orthodox religious systems (60.18).

[spero]

Once upon a time I too wondered where 'Allah' fit into the whole battle between STO and STS forces. A brief search at the time pulled up the following transcript and quotes:

December 17, 1995

P: Thank you. That was reassuring. My questions concern the history of Islam. Would you be able to comment on the origin of the Koran?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. We are working with this instrument to give it the image of the answer, shall we say. The means of transmission and point of origin of this holy work is the inspiration that the one known as Mohammed was able to open itself to receive at various times during its life experience which it had offered to the one Creator as a gift or glorification, for this entity had many experiences of the unity of all things and was desirous in a great extent to bring back this inspiration that those of its peoples might also be blessed as it was blessed.
Thus, the information that has been gathered in this holy work was that which was divinely inspired and though difficult to describe in the languages of the time, yet this entity set itself to this purpose and was single-minded in its pursuit of this mission, shall we say.
Is there a further query, my sister?

P: Yes. In the book itself it says Mohammed was inspired and that the message came through Gabriel, that the work itself is the word of God Itself and was absolute and had no flaw. Could you tell me the density of Gabriel and the identity of Gabriel? And what do they mean really when they say this is the word of God and is absolute?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. We will attempt to respond. The entity, Gabriel, was one of a number of entities that assisted in this transmission, being the focus of the effort, was one which worked with the entity known as Mohammed as this entity had dedicated its life purpose previous to the incarnation to working with those of its own kind, shall we say. Thus, the effort was put forth by those of the density of love and light in balance, that being six, working with those of the same vibratory level who had taken incarnation for the purpose of such a mission.
Is there a further query, my sister?

P: When you say those of the same vibratory level do you mean then that Mohammed was a sixth-density entity who incarnated as a third-density entity?

I am Q’uo, and this is correct, my sister.
Is there a further query?

P: Could you comment on the amount of negative or Orion influence in the book itself?

I am Q’uo, and am aware of your query, my sister. As with all such efforts of light and service to others the power of the polarity puts forth an attraction and is, shall we say, noticed by those in the vicinity. There is often notice by those of the so-called Orion Empire that they be able to utilize the balancing efforts of this planet’s quarantine system to offer some form of their own information wherever possible and to make this offering to appear as the same as that which first attracted their notice.
Thus, with all such efforts there is some infiltration of the signal with other information at odd moments or targets of opportunity that exist in all entities that are mortal. Thus, all such inspirational information has this feature whereby there is attracted to it the balancing efforts by those of the so-called loyal opposition.

It appears Quo was saying Mohammed was a sixth-density wanderer working in conjunction with other sixth-density entities of his home density. This is not all that dissimilar to the service, Carla, Don and Jim performed with respect to the Ra material.

Whether the home density was early sixth-density positive, early sixth-density negative or post-unification sixth-density (which is positive but perhaps has transcended polarity) i don't think was explicitely stated, though i could be wrong.

[Monica]

I've often wondered whether the original Yahweh was a social memory complex or not. Can you tell me how you know this?

Maybe I'm wrong. I might be remembering incorrectly. I'll see if I can find it.

[AnthroHeart]

Does this also mean the ark of the covenant was technology given by the Orion group?

[unity100]

Ra says that Muhammed "delivered the peoples into a more intelligible distortion of mind/body/spirit relationships," (2.2) so presumably the Allah concept is somewhat mixed like all of our orthodox religious systems (60.18).

'intelligible distortion of mind body spirit relationships', indeed, because it constantly talks about how everything is one, and there is only one god in islam. its book its heritage. it is indeed intelligible.

however, if you go down to details, naturally despite while all the stuff in islam being a corollary of this, just as everything in existence is, there are too many negatively oriented thoughts. far beyond what one would conclude to be 'infiltration'.

koran basically outlines a negative society with all its strict rules, discrimination, elitism, harsh penalties, and so on. moreover, it puts mohammad at the forefront of existence, places everything under him, and places mohammad in 7th density (in 7th level of the heaven). if you combine this with hadith, in which mohammad reports that god said him that he wouldnt create anything, if it wasnt for him, it adds up more. (it may be in the koran too i dont remember. in islam hadith comes after koran).

It appears Quo was saying Mohammed was a sixth-density wanderer working in conjunction with other sixth-density entities of his home density. This is not all that dissimilar to the service, Carla, Don and Jim performed with respect to the Ra material.

Whether the home density was early sixth-density positive, early sixth-density negative or post-unification sixth-density (which is positive but perhaps has transcended polarity) i don't think was explicitely stated, though i could be wrong.

so, in the light of the above block i typed, what it seems to me is, his kind, was of 6th density negative. the nature of society in those parts of middle east, was already quite negative and harsh even before mohammad was born. so, apparently he came as a wanderer. now, at this point, the possibility of mohammad and the society complex he belongs to being a negative early 6d complex, which was trying to combine infinity in their own persona and hierarchy, by acknowledging everything as one, but in their own, comes into mind. teaching and nature of islam, and the way mohammad lived, his actions and deeds, also stick along with this.

[βαθμιαίος]

Does this also mean the ark of the covenant was technology given by the Orion group?

Yes. http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?cat...e+Covenant

so, in the light of the above block i typed, what it seems to me is, his kind, was of 6th density negative. the nature of society in those parts of middle east, was already quite negative and harsh even before mohammad was born. so, apparently he came as a wanderer. now, at this point, the possibility of mohammad and the society complex he belongs to being a negative early 6d complex, which was trying to combine infinity in their own persona and hierarchy, by acknowledging everything as one, but in their own, comes into mind. teaching and nature of islam, and the way mohammad lived, his actions and deeds, also stick along with this.

Yikes. Could be, I guess, but it seems like Ra would have hinted at this instead of, basically, singling Muhammed out for praise.

[unity100]

ra's approach is probably 'because all is one, all is ok'.

judging from how fractured, hostile and aggressive to each other the muslim sects, main streams are, it seems that they have failed in their goal of 'unifying entire creation under their one hierarchy'. had they been able to make headway in it, the muslim community should be much more organized, orderly and cohesive.

so, it is a conclusion that, they either have realized that they cant go on like that (the complex) or, in the early stages of realizing it.

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this, is somewhat in line, with some channelings (quite different ones) in the past decade that were saying that orion group was switching back to positive etc. anyone remember such channelings ?

[spero]

Ra generally acted on the side of caution, especially when talking about sixth-density negative wanderers:

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

I suppose they want people to make up their own mind (free will and all that)

[xlsander]

thank you all for this input - coming from a muslim raised background however in a very liberal family as immigrants in germany born here with both parents natives i have always been larger than one religion in my perception, and lucky for me my close family all are as well.

i can freely discuss LOO matter sat our dinnertable - very interesting btw

[Lavazza]

It is my feeling...that the "anti-christ" is the distortion of the christian faith. Yehoshua did a very good job of raising the awareness of love...only to have it beaten down ( i guess by the same, Orion group) and even told people that they were going to do it. I have only JUST started reading the Christian Bible with interest, it did not make sense to me before i started reading the Law of One. It would make me physically ill to read it for any length of time.

Well spoken, and I fully agree. I think that the perversion of spirituality has got to be one of the saddest things that has happened in our known human history. I mean, ultimately I know that everything will turn out fine and even bad experiences are equally valuable to the Creator as good experiences, but from my perspective I see that countless millions of 3rd density entities have had to live and die with the fear of god in their minds. To pervert something that all humans on some level intuitively suspect exists (life after death) in to a concept of fear (wrathful god, hell, etc) is just very, very sad to me. Western religions, Christianity among them, seem to exhibit these concepts the most.

It has been to some degree a personal catalyst of mine, when I have interacted with people who are Christian, should the topic of spirituality ever come up. I understand that it is not my place to learn for them and share my knowledge without being asked, and more over I know that if I did I would be viewed as satanic, a cultist, or possessed by the devil. This tends to create some feelings of frustration within me. Which of course, only indicates that there is some balancing there I can work on further.

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i can freely discuss LOO matter sat our dinnertable - very interesting By the way

My in-laws are like that. They've read the books too and we chat about it among other topics when they visit. My own immediate family is another story, bless 'em.

[Monica]

I've often wondered whether the original Yahweh was a social memory complex or not. Can you tell me how you know this?

I just did a search on Yahweh and there is no mention of this entity being a SMC. So I was mistaken.

My original point about the people thinking Yahweh was God is the more important point.

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24.5 Questioner: Then Yahweh, in an attempt to correct what I might call a mistake (I know you don’t want to call it that), started 3,300 years ago a positive philosophy. Were the Orion and Yahweh philosophies impressed telepathically, or were there other techniques used?
Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”

The other method used to greater effect later in the scenario, as you would call it, was the thought-form such as we often use among your peoples to suggest the mysterious or the sublime. You may be familiar with some of these appearances.

So who were these people? Larger beings...how does this correlate to human fossils?

[unity100]

I just did a search on Yahweh and there is no mention of this entity being a Social Memory Complex. So I was mistaken.

what i understand is, an orion negative social complex is working in the area, and, they or one of their incarnates usurped the name yahweh.

[βαθμιαίος]

ra's approach is probably 'because all is one, all is ok'.

Not necessarily. They pointed out that Moses's contact was negative, that MLK had negative patterns, that one of the entities involved in the Philadelphia Project was extremely negative, etc.

36.18 Questioner: Are there any examples of sixth-density negatively polarized Wanderers in our historical past?

Ra: I am Ra. This information could be harmful. We withhold it. Please attempt to view the entities about you as part of the Creator. We can explain no further.

That quote does make one wonder, doesn't it? I always thought Ra might have been thinking of Edward Teller. But who knows?

It has been to some degree a personal catalyst of mine, when I have interacted with people who are Christian, should the topic of spirituality ever come up. I understand that it is not my place to learn for them and share my knowledge without being asked, and more over I know that if I did I would be viewed as satanic, a cultist, or possessed by the devil. This tends to create some feelings of frustration within me. Which of course, only indicates that there is some balancing there I can work on further.

Easier said than done, huh? (Balancing our emotions, that is.)

I just did a search on Yahweh and there is no mention of this entity being a Social Memory Complex. So I was mistaken.

Not necessarily; Ra doesn't say one way or the other. I thought you might have been thinking of something Q'uo said. I do wonder what they are – if not a social memory complex, then what?

So who were these people? Larger beings...how does this correlate to human fossils?

See my post here for one possibility.

what i understand is, an orion negative social complex is working in the area, and, they or one of their incarnates usurped the name yahweh.

Yes, that was the usurper. But the question is about the original Yahweh that was involved in the transfer of souls and the genetic manipulation of human bodies 75,000 years ago. Was it a social memory complex?