Negative entities

[AngelofDeath]

Also, in order to actually "switch" polarities, you need to have a very high polarity. Those who "switch" without any conviction towards one or the other are not gaining in either polarity for they are constantly counteracting themselves.

However, like I said, you are leaning towards positive polarity, even if you don't recognize it.

(19.16) The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

[Minyatur]

Also, in order to actually "switch" polarities, you need to have a very high polarity. Those who "switch" without any conviction towards one or the other are not gaining in either polarity for they are constantly counteracting themselves.

However, like I said, you are leaning towards positive polarity, even if you don't recognize it.

(19.16) The majority of third-density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious.

Well in a way I've always leaned toward being positive and being 95% STS seems counter-intuitive but I don't perceive a negative STS oriented act as not being "positive". Positive acts of love can be rejected by someone who is polarized negatively and offer no growth while a negative STS act can make them lose in negative polarity and inquire reflection on the self that can lead to growth. Not everyone needs the same response which is why I don't feel the need to be polarized. I won't necessarily act positively with someone who needs negativity and I will certainly not act negatively with someone in need of positivity. Rather than giving what I want to be given, isn't offering what is needed a service to All?

[Minyatur]

From the perspective I've mentionned, I don't see a difference between both polarity. I view them both as equal in being "STS" and "STO". If one is STO, it is a service to self because he is polarized positively for himself also, he feels good about helping others feeling good. STS also is a service to others in that every act done is a response to another time/space desire. Both are services, both are from and to the Creator, both offers catalyst for growth, both add to Intelligent Infinity and both will merge when the illusion of polarity falls.

[AngelofDeath]

I think you are confusing beneficent/malicious actions (often called being positive or negative) and the concept of positive and negative polarity. These are not the same thing. What you are attempting to practice by "helping with negativity" is actually what Buddhists would call "wrathful compassion".

http://www.tibetanbuddhistaltar.org/wrat...obstacles/

You want to help, I feel this is something you need to accept about yourself. Although you do not view one or other as "better" or "worse", you have clearly established a mode and intention of wanting to assist others whether that is gentle or wrathful.

Perhaps you need to accept that it's 'okay' to be leaning towards a polarity. It doesn't mean you're missing out nor does it mean you don't accept the other polarity.

[Minyatur]

I think you are confusing beneficent/malicious actions (often called being positive or negative) and the concept of positive and negative polarity. These are not the same thing. What you are attempting to practice by "helping with negativity" is actually what Buddhists would call "wrathful compassion".

http://www.tibetanbuddhistaltar.org/wrat...obstacles/

You want to help, I feel this is something you need to accept about yourself. Although you do not view one or other as "better" or "worse", you have clearly established a mode and intention of wanting to assist others whether that is gentle or wrathful.

Perhaps you need to accept that it's 'okay' to be leaning towards a polarity. It doesn't mean you're missing out nor does it mean you don't accept the other polarity.

I also am one who absorbs rather than radiates. The instances where I radiate to others are well chosen and less likely to happen.

Actually I've been leaning toward the positive path all along, it recently came to me I might not have been positively polarized prior to incarnating on this sphere. Not that I think it matters, I might actually prefer to change polarity whatever it was.

[AnthroHeart]

I've had a fear that I was absorbing rather than radiating.

[AngelofDeath]

I think you are confusing beneficent/malicious actions (often called being positive or negative) and the concept of positive and negative polarity. These are not the same thing. What you are attempting to practice by "helping with negativity" is actually what Buddhists would call "wrathful compassion".

http://www.tibetanbuddhistaltar.org/wrat...obstacles/

You want to help, I feel this is something you need to accept about yourself. Although you do not view one or other as "better" or "worse", you have clearly established a mode and intention of wanting to assist others whether that is gentle or wrathful.

Perhaps you need to accept that it's 'okay' to be leaning towards a polarity. It doesn't mean you're missing out nor does it mean you don't accept the other polarity.

I also am one who absorbs rather than radiates. The instances where I radiate to others are well chosen and less likely to happen.

Actually I've been leaning toward the positive path all along, it recently came to me I might not have been positively polarized prior to incarnating on this sphere. Not that I think it matters, I might actually prefer to change polarity whatever it was.

You absorb and radiate in pretty equal amounts from what I detect. It also seems you only absorb what is given, you do not take. I actually would agree with you that you did not come here from the positive polarity, but as you said, you are striving for balance, so that would naturally mean you would probably be exploring positive polarity now. Maybe you made it all the way to the end of negative and now are re-polarizing and so learning the lessons of positive polarity. I say these things partly out of my own familiarity with the concept as I have considered the same for myself.

[AngelofDeath]

I've had a fear that I was absorbing rather than radiating.

We all do both, but in different proportions. You are generally radiating, but it fluctuates with the activity of your heart center.

[AnthroHeart]

I once felt strong absorption in my solar plexus and thought I was negatively polarizing. It freaked me out.

[Minyatur]

You absorb and radiate in pretty equal amounts from what I detect. It also seems you only absorb what is given, you do not take. I actually would agree with you that you did not come here from the positive polarity, but as you said, you are striving for balance, so that would naturally mean you would probably be exploring positive polarity now. Maybe you made it all the way to the end of negative and now are re-polarizing and so learning the lessons of positive polarity. I say these things partly out of my own familiarity with the concept as I have considered the same for myself.

That seems to be how I feel. But the end of negative polarity doesn't seem bad in itself, it seems like a support to the lower negative densities.

[AngelofDeath]

I once felt strong absorption in my solar plexus and thought I was negatively polarizing. It freaked me out.

Actually, all of the centers do absorb to some degree. What you were experiencing is probably a depleted solar plexus center. Technically it is only the green-ray and above that actually "radiates".

[AngelofDeath]

I think you are confusing beneficent/malicious actions (often called being positive or negative) and the concept of positive and negative polarity. These are not the same thing. What you are attempting to practice by "helping with negativity" is actually what Buddhists would call "wrathful compassion".

http://www.tibetanbuddhistaltar.org/wrat...obstacles/

You want to help, I feel this is something you need to accept about yourself. Although you do not view one or other as "better" or "worse", you have clearly established a mode and intention of wanting to assist others whether that is gentle or wrathful.

Perhaps you need to accept that it's 'okay' to be leaning towards a polarity. It doesn't mean you're missing out nor does it mean you don't accept the other polarity.

I also am one who absorbs rather than radiates. The instances where I radiate to others are well chosen and less likely to happen.

Actually I've been leaning toward the positive path all along, it recently came to me I might not have been positively polarized prior to incarnating on this sphere. Not that I think it matters, I might actually prefer to change polarity whatever it was.

You absorb and radiate in pretty equal amounts from what I detect. It also seems you only absorb what is given, you do not take. I actually would agree with you that you did not come here from the positive polarity, but as you said, you are striving for balance, so that would naturally mean you would probably be exploring positive polarity now. Maybe you made it all the way to the end of negative and now are re-polarizing and so learning the lessons of positive polarity. I say these things partly out of my own familiarity with the concept as I have considered the same for myself.

That seems to be how I feel. But the end of negative polarity doesn't seem bad in itself, it seems like a support to the lower negative densities.

I can't imagine a negative of that high would be overly concerned about 'supporting'. Rather, I think it would be seen that absolute knowledge of self cannot be obtained through only one path and the truly balanced entity will explore both completely. I believe the 'end' of both paths are the same point and they happen when our negative self meets our positive self and the difference is released.

[Minyatur]

I can't imagine a negative of that high would be overly concerned about 'supporting'. Rather, I think it would be seen that absolute knowledge of self cannot be obtained through only one path and the truly balanced entity will explore both completely. I believe the 'end' of both paths are the same point and they happen when our negative self meets our positive self and the difference is released.

I don't remember where but I've read from someone here that the Lucifer social memory complex 6D entities were not actually truly negative. I perceived it as a role chosen to be played to what they care about, hence the supporting of lower negative densities. They bring order through negativity which they absorb by lowering the negativity of sub-densities negative entities. 

Somehow that made sense to me. At the end of the road, both polarities are different ways to act with the same intents, simply dealing with a different side of Creation. I doubt a 6D negative entity does not feel love for other negative entities.

I do feel I am wandering because I am at the end of a path though.

[AngelofDeath]

They enslave the lower negative which "supports" them by providing them with an opportunity to advance in the negative, but assuredly it is only for the gain of the higher entity. However, I would be hard-pressed to consider them doing it "for" the lower densities, rather than being a result of their sways of power.

I do not agree however that they act on the same intentions as I believe that in itself is the actual split between polarities. It is the intention which differentiates the polarities. Thus, I believe two entities could be doing the same actions and be oppositely polarized.

Probably, the negative would not view "other" negative entities as being other than themselves. They would view all solely as themselves. Hence, the apparent 'support' for lower negative entities would be considered part of their self-service since all is them.

I actually think it is unfair to try to equate the paths to eachother. To try and twist things around so that every negative is positive and every positive is negative just seems like an attempt to resolve some kind of cognitive dissonance.

I accept both paths. I accept that positive radiates and accepts. I accept that negative absorbs and controls. I do not try to give the traits of positive to negative, or vice versa, for they are both equal in their own rights without needing to equate them to eachother. I think one of the keys to greater acceptance is accepting the fact that negativity and unpleasantness is indeed something that exists and is something that some entities genuine prefer. I would not try to take that away from them by trying to convince them they are actually just positive in the end, that is not my position.

[AngelofDeath]

Of course, IMO.

[Minyatur]

Well what I said about 6D negative would maybe apply to post mid-6D as the process of losing individuality begins to advance toward 7D. It's more about why at that point an entity would remain in the negative path when it should by logic repolarize with his understanding of Intelligent Infinity.

I base my views of how each polarity equates the other in the idea that Ra said that polarity is an illusion and that they merge at some point. They don't actually merge, the raise in awareness make the illusion of duality disapear from the perspective.

If they are polarities, they are like poles of a magnet none right and none wrong. If positivity doesn't work with a negative polarized entity, how do you give him "positivity" to help his growth as the Creator. Both paths are a type of experience needed by Infinity, both type of polarized entity walk their path and receive what is needed for them.

[AngelofDeath]

How do you "give" negativity? The very concept of negativity is that of taking, absorbing. The only way to increase negativity of others is to be enslaved by them.

Also, how do you suppose that growth includes or leads to disappearance of aspects?

In the Ra material, the whole subject is addressed actually as the channeling group were greeted by a negative entity and tried to offer him love and tried to 'help' them, which Ra found amusing and folly.

67.26 Questioner: Then there is no other service that we can at this time offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is so constantly with us. As I see it now there is nothing that we can do for him from your point of view? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

So you can help them, by allowing them to enslave or control you, or you can offer love, which they don't want anyways. Otherwise, the only way to add to overall negativity is to actually, dedicated-ly polarize negatively. I am speaking rather mechanically here, because that is how power is drawn.

[AngelofDeath]

And this is their key to the resolution of that paradox...

67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm suddenly finding it amusing to ponder a scenario in which a positively-oriented entity uses psychology or other mental trickery to  manipulate/"enslave" a negative entity into (willingly) undertaking positive STO actions under the guise of negativity or STS.  In this case, both would end up polarizing in the opposite direction of what they intended, yet the system would still remain in balance.

This would also tend to illustrate just how fragile and ultimately relativistic that polarization is, don't you think?  Attempting to "objectively" sort out whether this scenario is net-positive or net-negative just reveals how subjective the distinctions are.  

Meanwhile, both would undoubtedly learn fascinating new lessons about the nature of Oneness and thus grow closer to the Creator.

[seven]

How do you "give" negativity? The very concept of negativity is that of taking, absorbing. The only way to increase negativity of others is to be enslaved by them.

Also, how do you suppose that growth includes or leads to disappearance of aspects?

In the Ra material, the whole subject is addressed actually as the channeling group were greeted by a negative entity and tried to offer him love and tried to 'help' them, which Ra found amusing and folly.

67.26 Questioner: Then there is no other service that we can at this time offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is so constantly with us. As I see it now there is nothing that we can do for him from your point of view? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

So you can help them, by allowing them to enslave or control you, or you can offer love, which they don't want anyways. Otherwise, the only way to add to overall negativity is to actually, dedicated-ly polarize negatively. I am speaking rather mechanically here, because that is how power is drawn.

This made me think of something that have been bouncing around in my mind at times lately. Sometimes you meet people that you feel are on the negative path, and I find it reoccuring that they might struggle with issues. I'm helpful by nature and I like to try to help out by drawing from my own experiences with acceptance and letting things go, forgiveness etc. But I can't help wondering if this actually is, in fact, not helping. Perhaps the struggle is what some people need, to develop a stronger urge for separation and negativity. I don't know. Has anyone else experienced this? What are your thoughts?

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm helpful by nature and I like to try to help out by drawing from my own experiences with acceptance and letting things go, forgiveness etc. But I can't help wondering if this actually is, in fact, not helping. Perhaps the struggle is what some people need, to develop a stronger urge for separation and negativity.

As Ra said, there are no mistakes.  By trying to help, you ARE helping.  In your own way.  Every experience we provide for each other is another teaching/learning experience.  For one thing, don't overlook your own growth.  Your interactions with people help you learn how to better interact with people in the future.

Also, if you're meddling in the business of a negative type who just wants you to f*** the hell off, you're probably pissing him off with your attempts.  And that feeds his negativity and gives him more primal energies.  So by failing to help him become positive, you'd be instead helping him become more negative, which IS doing him a service from his POV.   (Even if he'd never admit it.   )

Besides, it's doubtful anyone here is teetering on the edge of 7th-hood or something.  These are all just the games we play to slowly learn more about ourselves and the universe.  The end of the path is renunciation of polarities anyway, so how a person chooses to explore polarities along the way doesn't matter in the big picture.

(Or perhaps to misquote Bogey, it doesn't take much to see that the karma of a few little people doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy cosmos.   )

[Enyiah]

For me the end of the path is equal to transcendance of polarities and transmutation into Original Thought of Source/Creator.