Are Human Beings On Earth Free?

[Shemaya]

What do you think, Jody? Are human beings on Earth free?

My belief is yes. 

I also believe that all of you are exactly correct, for my opinion is that our belief creates our reality. 

  
I don't know , about that Jody. The way I think about it, our collective beliefs create our collective reality.

I think if people like Christ, or Ghandhi or MLK fell back on your assertion, socially we would have made no progress and people today would be more oppressed than they are.

Truthfully, our social system is set up to extract energy from the lower classes in order to concentrate wealth, power and privilege for the few.  It's set up to dull people's minds, and abuse and hurt so that our creative abilities and power is turned down and we remain cogs in a wheel.

While those of us speaking on this forum have many freedoms, and free will choices in our daily lives, that is not true for a woman under Taliban rule, or a person who has been tricked into sexual slavery, or a child labor in in the fields for cotton. And those other- selves are us.  If we can't see that, than we have missed the point of the LOO.

While I wholly agree that in my position as a rich Westerner I have many freedoms, that is not true for so many of the world's population.  Until we make things right on this planet, we , if we are service to others, are not " free" in the truest and spiritual sense of the word.

That is the reason why so many beings who " answered the call" were born in these times, to help usher in true freedom for the whole planet.  This freedom has to start in our minds and the subtle realms first before it can manifest.  It is our collective, planetary consciousness, that creates the world we see.  If we look at a rape victim, or a soldier who dropped an atomic bomb and say, " you are free" , it is just simply not true on this level.

[Billy]

I also agree that it is important to take into consideration the effect that the collective consciousness has on each and every individual.  Indeed, how can you truly be free if you are born into a life of poverty and slavery?  I just cannot see how you can be free and well when you are facing such circumstances.  I have heard often in spiritual circles that your state of being matters only and that circumstances do not, and that regardless of circumstance you can be free if you believe and focus positively enough.  I find this idea very hard to believe, as it seems that circumstance just as much as anything else has an impact on consciousness and that for as long as some circumstances exist (capitalism, global elite), humanity cannot be free, regardless of belief, attitude, focus, faith etc.  Of course consciousness can be greatly changed for the better if such things are used well, but I still think that circumstance is also an important factor.  It might sound harsh and maybe I am wrong, but you can believe humanity is free all you want, but it doesn't change the seeming truth that we aren't.  Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

[Shemaya]

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

 Yes, agree ,folk-love.

The truth will set humanity free.

A collective knowledge and understanding of the truth of who we are, and the truth of what creates the world that we see around us.

A passive 'all is well' belief will do nothing to change the current conditions on earth.  

An inner transformation and active effort to release the chains that bind humanity will manifest a free world.

[ScottK]

A passive 'all is well' belief will do nothing to change the current conditions on earth.  

An inner transformation and active effort to release the chains that bind humanity will manifest a free world.

My understanding is that 90% of the "new age" movement is funded by the elite.  They did this, of course, to throw in some key disinformation - like it's your thoughts that manifest reality.  Your thoughts -> create actions (doing) -> which change reality.  That's how it should read.  Jesus didn't sit around and think about how he wanted to change reality - he went out and did it.

[isis]

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

That's a great line...& it's been said many times. (About 7,560 results on google for that line...that exact wording.)

I think it's common to for the brain to (unconsciously) delude itself when it isn't comfortable with a reality.

[native]

While those of us speaking on this forum have many freedoms, and free will choices in our daily lives, that is not true for a woman under Taliban rule, or a person who has been tricked into sexual slavery, or a child labor in in the fields for cotton. And those other- selves are us.  If we can't see that, than we have missed the point of the LOO.

While the compassionate side of me feels the suffering of this planet, the universe is infinite.

Ra seems to emphasize quality over quantity regarding service. To me that means harmony within our personal interactions, appreciating our own desires, and opening up to others "without hesitation"..so helping others when they seem to be asking for it. That way service is an easy thing within our reach, without trying to fix a complex system of distortions. I think that by dealing with the catalyst drawn to us directly appropriately, it works with energies on a greater level..the pyramidal idea that denser energies (unity/wholeness) control the finer.

All I know is that I get tired of worrying about all the world's problems, and am not going to beat myself up over all of it. One need not feel responsible for everything. By all means people should help in the way they feel called to, but I tend to think we overdo it. There is this thread in human experience that says we're somehow not deserving of certain things or should feel bad about our quality of life. We should learn to value ourselves with full awareness I think.

What does it mean to serve others? We all like to laugh for instance, so thank god for comedians. A comedian's service is to tell jokes.

[Diana]

A passive 'all is well' belief will do nothing to change the current conditions on earth.  

An inner transformation and active effort to release the chains that bind humanity will manifest a free world.

My understanding is that 90% of the "new age" movement is funded by the elite.  They did this, of course, to throw in some key disinformation - like it's your thoughts that manifest reality.  Your thoughts -> create actions (doing) -> which change reality.  That's how it should read.  Jesus didn't sit around and think about how he wanted to change reality - he went out and did it.

I agree. Some wanderers may think they are here to just pass through and do nothing, like a vacationer who has no connection to anything here because they come from a better place. That's fine. But what I don't understand about that is why would such a wanderer choose do harmful things here while passing through, because of the idea that all is well anyway? If it's because they are veiled, okay. But if they know they are a wanderer, and understand higher densities, it makes no sense (unless the path is STS). Why contribute to the confusion and suffering here?

I have attended many New Age gatherings and the amount of disconnect displayed is crazy. The "all is well" phrase seems to cover every irresponsible act on the part of the so-called advanced and cosmic New Ager. Example: I'll just send my intention into this piece of cake and change the energy so it's good for me. I'm not saying this can't be done, but why use energy in this way when you can eat something else that feeds the body? I find most of the time it's just an excuse not to eat responsibly and consciously.

No one is perfect of course. But "all is well" because everything is the Creator is a huge copout to me. If we chose to come here into 3D, we chose it. 3D is 3D, it's not some illusion with no reality. The New Age rhetoric would have all believe that this is Maya and so it is nothing. We are soul, not a body. We are soul, but while here in 3D we are also humans in a body. This is also real, though ephemeral, but real nonetheless while in a body. Just as the body as a vehicle should be respected and something to be grateful for, so should 3D as an environment to grow within. This includes everything here that consciousness has manifested.

It might be an entirely different case with disincarnate entities trying to give messages. But those who incarnated here decided to be a physical part of this troubled reality. To deny the physical reality here is problematic for one who chose to be physical, in my opinion. 

[native]

Your thoughts -> create actions (doing) -> which change reality.  That's how it should read.

When I say that our perceptions create our reality, I mean the more we untangle distortion and see things for what they are, the more we experience love and beauty rather than disharmony and fear. Our emotions seem to form the foundation of experience..it's the very nature of catalyst. Things bother us until we work with them enough until they no longer do. It was never the manifestation that was the issue, but our perception of it.

So it's not what we experience that moves us, but how it makes us feel that is the experience itself, since we are emotion. Hence the idea that we can change our perceptions and have the freedom to interpret reality in various ways, positive or negative. It's what Ra was trying to teach with the archetypal mind. Collectively, it would seem that emotional bonds would necessitate continued catalyst until that energy is no longer useful.."The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away."

"It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not."

I'm of the opinion that if we find relevant insight, it makes way for positive transformations externally. Are there ways in which we can serve externally and should we help others? Yes of course, but in general I think we burden ourselves way too much. And I think that's because we don't accept our desires and limitations.

[Minyatur]

3D is a mirroring game where what you see in other-selves and accept not is simply something meant for you to analyze and part of the veiled experience. All of this is a matrix to work on yourself, those around you are simply what vibrates positively or negatively with you and show you what you need to learn just as you can provide them with catalysts for their own growth. Separateness is an illusion, other-selves are you playing other roles.

It seems paradoxal to me for a STO entity to wish for change in a STS entity. The STS entity is an other-self to the STO entity which would in turn wish to accommodate it as it's service toward other-self. A STS entity would want for the other-self to change it's mentality as it believes it knows it better and also wishes the reality around it to be conform to his own vision rather than accepting how it is. The line between both polarities is extremely thin in my opinion in this density of experience. Higher densities STO entities only respond to calls and if I remember correctly, only if the calls are strong enough. We do not all perceive the same callings nor do we all perceive them to the same degree.

Are human beings free? In the sense that they are experiencing this lack of freedom as the One Intelligent Infinity desiring to go through this experience, yes they are.

[AnthroHeart]

How do I know if I am calling strong enough for help to another being?

[Minyatur]

How do I know if I am calling strong enough for help to another being?

I'd say you receive the help you truly need rather than all that you ask for.

[Billy]

Your thoughts -> create actions (doing) -> which change reality.  That's how it should read.

When I say that our perceptions create our reality, I mean the more we untangle distortion and see things for what they are, the more we experience love and beauty rather than disharmony and fear. Our emotions seem to form the foundation of experience..it's the very nature of catalyst. Things bother us until we work with them enough until they no longer do. It was never the manifestation that was the issue, but our perception of it.

So it's not what we experience that moves us, but how it makes us feel that is the experience itself, since we are emotion. Hence the idea that we can change our perceptions and have the freedom to interpret reality in various ways, positive or negative. It's what Ra was trying to teach with the archetypal mind. Collectively, it would seem that emotional bonds would necessitate continued catalyst until that energy is no longer useful.."The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away."

"It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not."

I'm of the opinion that if we find relevant insight, it makes way for positive transformations externally. Are there ways in which we can serve externally and should we help others? Yes of course, but in general I think we burden ourselves way too much. And I think that's because we don't accept our desires and limitations.

Is it enough though to just change our perceptions and thoughts, or do some external circumstances simply need to be changed if we are to be well?  Maybe I am underestimating the power of the mind.  I don't know.  I just struggle to believe that I or anyone for that matter can be well regardless of ANY circumstance, as long as a positive and balanced state of mind is maintained. 

I too am tired of feeling burdened by the world and also guilty for not believing that I am 'doing enough to help'.  What did you mean by not accepting our desires?  You mean in general, or did you have something specific in mind?     

[Shemaya]

A passive 'all is well' belief will do nothing to change the current conditions on earth.  

An inner transformation and active effort to release the chains that bind humanity will manifest a free world.

My understanding is that 90% of the "new age" movement is funded by the elite.  They did this, of course, to throw in some key disinformation - like it's your thoughts that manifest reality.  Your thoughts -> create actions (doing) -> which change reality.  That's how it should read.  Jesus didn't sit around and think about how he wanted to change reality - he went out and did it.

 
I don't know about 90 %, but yes, I think you are right about the power elite funding that ideology.  They will fund any ideology that will divide and conquer or create passive and compliant underclasses.  They will use religion ( and have!) and spirituality to obfuscate and veil the truth of our creative power, and to make us think we are powerless.  

But to make changes, it is easier to effect change when you come from a place of empowerment. That has been , sadly, violently taken from us from the moment we are born with indoctrination from the abusive sleeping adults around us, our media/ culture, and religions.  It completely messes with our mind and emotions, leaving us with neuroses, addictions, and psychological impairment.

Jesus was able to overcome all that in his time, and worked from a place of power, which is the power of transformative love.

We can do it too, but we have to remained focused on the vision and take each step.

Some do a little, some do a lot.  It doesn't matter how much we do, just that we strive to open more to that which is our birthright.  

[Nowheretoday]

Freedom is linked to choice.
When you choose, even if it is your choice, you become bound to your choice.
Are humans free? No. Free Will was extended to us so we could evolve faster. We are forced to make a choice.
We could not make a choice but then we would not evolve. Does that sound like freedom?

Freedom only exists in pure awareness.
Silence the mind, find peace, find freedom. There's no bond to anything in that state. You just are.

[Minyatur]

Freedom is linked to choice.
When you choose, even if it is your choice, you become bound to your choice.
Are humans free? No. Free Will was extended to us so we could evolve faster. We are forced to make a choice.
We could not make a choice but then we would not evolve. Does that sound like freedom?

Freedom only exists in pure awareness.
Silence the mind, find peace, find freedom. There's no bond to anything in that state. You just are.

Infinity is a cool thing isn't it.

[native]

Is it enough though to just change our perceptions and thoughts, or do some external circumstances simply need to be changed if we are to be well?  Maybe I am underestimating the power of the mind.  I don't know.  I just struggle to believe that I or anyone for that matter can be well regardless of ANY circumstance, as long as a positive and balanced state of mind is maintained. 

I too am tired of feeling burdened by the world and also guilty for not believing that I am 'doing enough to help'.  What did you mean by not accepting our desires?  You mean in general, or did you have something specific in mind?     

Regarding desires, I meant we often suppress our true selves, our limits, or what we wish to be doing in favor of attempting to be a better person. It's inevitable. In other words we don't accept ourselves. If we can't accept ourselves, and if all is one, that blocked energy will reflect itself externally in my opinion.

"In the context of doing work in the disciplines of the personality, in order to be of more full efficiency in the central acceptance of the self, it is first quite necessary to know the distortions of the self which the entity is accepting. Each thought and action needs must then be scrutinized for the precise foundation of the distortions of any reactions. This process shall lead to the more central task of acceptance. However, the architrave must be in place before the structure is builded."

As far as perceptions go, yes I believe there are ways in which we can contribute actively, but that balance is for the individual to figure out. You bring up with issue of faith regarding circumstance. We react to catalyst because there is a lack of faith in place. The mind says that if I let this person go with their distorted perception uncorrected, it will have a negative consequence on the collective. But the distortions we encounter in others are also in ourselves, and so we get to that place of faith through dedication in learning to see ourselves in others.

Faith also embodies acceptance. Because if we can recognize our own distortions in others, and ultimately accept those distortions as being ok as a greater part of the self, we release control and reside in a place of faith. This responsibility we feel we need to have then falls away. An analogy is that by letting others be themselves and make mistakes, believing that they will eventually seek guidance when needed, we create space/freedom rather than restrict it.

So much of our experience revolves around holding onto things rather than letting them go. If we could learn to accept things more and more, then new expressions/transformations should come into being in my opinion. How will we ever discover something new if we continue to work with the same patterns?

[anagogy]

Is it enough though to just change our perceptions and thoughts, or do some external circumstances simply need to be changed if we are to be well?  Maybe I am underestimating the power of the mind.  I don't know.  I just struggle to believe that I or anyone for that matter can be well regardless of ANY circumstance, as long as a positive and balanced state of mind is maintained. 

I too am tired of feeling burdened by the world and also guilty for not believing that I am 'doing enough to help'.  What did you mean by not accepting our desires?  You mean in general, or did you have something specific in mind?     

What do you mean by "well"?

Perhaps I'm in the minority here in seeing it this way, but you didn't come to fix a broken world.  The guilt you feel is unnecessary.  Try to let it go.  Would you believe your attention to the world's problems helps perpetuate them?  Yours and everybody else's consciousness gives them life.  You are simply here for an experience.  What we perceive as "problems to solve" are not problems to the universal consciousness, they are simply energy transfers potentiated deliberately to provide an experience for the incarnating consciousness.

Withdraw your attention from what is unwanted, and instead direct it towards what is wanted, and you won't feel so tired anymore.  You will begin to feel your freedom then. You'll begin to feel joy again.

Your life is a story.  All lives are stories.  Suffering is caused by overidentification with the story character.  Your real self is beyond all suffering.

So how do you stop doing that?  Well that is the trick isn't it?  You have to find your identity as consciousness, as awareness, rather than as a person, living a life confined in time and space.  From that perspective there is no good or bad, positive or negative, pain or pleasure, just peace, silence, and variety.

I get caught up in identification too, but more and more, I'm learning to stand on the river bank, and watch the waves, rather than being tossed about by them.    

[Billy]

Is it enough though to just change our perceptions and thoughts, or do some external circumstances simply need to be changed if we are to be well?  Maybe I am underestimating the power of the mind.  I don't know.  I just struggle to believe that I or anyone for that matter can be well regardless of ANY circumstance, as long as a positive and balanced state of mind is maintained. 

I too am tired of feeling burdened by the world and also guilty for not believing that I am 'doing enough to help'.  What did you mean by not accepting our desires?  You mean in general, or did you have something specific in mind?     

What do you mean by "well"?

Perhaps I'm in the minority here in seeing it this way, but you didn't come to fix a broken world.  The guilt you feel is unnecessary.  Try to let it go.  Would you believe your attention to the world's problems helps perpetuate them?  Yours and everybody else's consciousness gives them life.  You are simply here for an experience.  What we perceive as "problems to solve" are not problems to the universal consciousness, they are simply energy transfers potentiated deliberately to provide an experience for the incarnating consciousness.

Withdraw your attention from what is unwanted, and instead direct it towards what is wanted, and you won't feel so tired anymore.  You will begin to feel your freedom then.  You'll begin to feel joy again.

Your life is a story.  All lives are stories.  Suffering is caused by overidentification with the story character.  Your real self is beyond all suffering.

So how do you stop doing that?  Well that is the trick isn't it?  You have to find your identity as consciousness, as awareness, rather than as a person, living a life confined in time and space.  From that perspective there is no good or bad, positive or negative, pain or pleasure, just peace, silence, and variety.

I get caught up in identification too, but more and more, I'm learning to stand on the river bank, and watch the waves, rather than being tossed about by them.    

I was using well interchangeably with freedom.  To be free is to be well, in my opinion anyways.  I too am trying to be more and more aware of the stillness that rests within, but it is almost impossible at times.     

[Shemaya]

Icaro


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While those of us speaking on this forum have many freedoms, and free will choices in our daily lives, that is not true for a woman under Taliban rule, or a person who has been tricked into sexual slavery, or a child labor in in the fields for cotton. And those other- selves are us.  If we can't see that, than we have missed the point of the LOO.

While the compassionate side of me feels the suffering of this planet, the universe is infinite.

Yes.

Ra seems to emphasize quality over quantity regarding service. To me that means harmony within our personal interactions, appreciating our own desires, and opening up to others "without hesitation"..so helping others when they seem to be asking for it. That way service is an easy thing within our reach, without trying to fix a complex system of distortions. I think that by 

The complex set of distortions you speak of is manifested out of what is in our minds.  We all have power to change and transmute that individually. As you know, the Archetypes give us a structure for understanding.  As our minds come into alignment with Divine Plan ( illustrated in Archetypes) we will manifest a less distorted reality. It is impossible to not do so.  Service is within our reach, every single moment.  We think of service as mostly assisting others.  There is the inner work that is less valued. That is exploring our emotions and thoughts, understanding within ourselves what affects us, how is my energy changed by each interaction, in each moment.  We think love is all bubblegum, rainbows and unicorns but it is not.  Love is holding the distorted and perfect in equal measure. Love is knowing both and not turning away from that which makes us uncomfortable, facing our depths, our distortion and brokenness,  and loving it back to wholeness.

But if we don't try to transform, nothing will change. Dealing with the catalyst drawn to us is exactly the way.  Can we deepen our understanding in each moment? Can we see through the layers of distortion to the pure energy and intelligence?

All I know is that I get tired of worrying about all the world's problems, and am not going to beat myself up over all of it. One need not feel responsible for everything. By all means people should help in the way they feel called to, but I tend to think we overdo it. There is this thread in human experience that says we're somehow not deserving of certain things or should feel bad about our quality of life. We should learn to value ourselves with full awareness I think

I hear you brother. I have been there.  Working through my own plentiful  distortions has allowed me to move from despair to rebirth, from hopelessness to the hope for our future.  From powerlessness to greater empowerment.  It has been a process of reconnection, and healing.  Still a road ahead, but life is more beautiful than ever and the rough spots are blips instead of deep holes.

What does it mean to serve others? We all like to laugh for instance, so thank god for comedians. A comedian's service is to tell jokes

Absolutely! Laughter is medicine, couldn't agree more.

[Minyatur]

IMO the illusion on not being free in this Earthly dream is part of freedom wouldn't it? When people have dreams they try to learn from them and wish to see meaning, this density of existence is still only a part of the astral planes and has the very same nature as that of a dream. The lack of freedom comes from the lack of awareness in the dream which is the only thing permitting something to be experienced that we can learn from. Freedom lies in partaking in these lexperiences of unawareness so that we can learn from it.

[Shemaya]

. Freedom lies in partaking in these lexperiences of unawareness so that we can learn from it.

Au contraire Minyatur.

The freedom I am speaking of comes from a place of awareness and connection to intelligent infinity/ energy.  There is nothing to learn in intelligent infinity, all is known.  The only thing we are learning here in 3D is how to play our instrument ie. our human body, masterfully.

[Shemaya]

Perhaps I'm in the minority here in seeing it this way, but you didn't come to fix a broken world.  The guilt you feel is unnecessary.  Try to let it go.  Would you believe your attention to the world's problems helps perpetuate them?  Yours and everybody else's consciousness gives them life.  You are simply here for an experience.  What we perceive as "problems to solve" are not problems to the universal consciousness, they are simply energy transfers potentiated deliberately to provide an experience for the incarnating consciousness.

While I  agree with you regarding identifying with our universal consciousness, that is a much needed step, I have to disagree here.

There are many many people who came to fix/ transform the world, and as they answer that calling, we will see massive changes across the globe in spirituality, economics, governments, healthcare, free energy.

It is very necessary to pay attention to the problems so that alternatives and solutions can be found. And there are many who will work towards those solutions.  That is the Great Work for which we are here.  We are here to create a world that is 4D, and it is a Great Work!  Anything that has been created has been by design and ingenuity, and it is no different for our coming civilization.  We and our children and children's children will create it.

Ra talks about this somewhere, about people who came to heal Gaia and restore the planet.

Individually, we find what we are passionate about, what our talents are and we follow that path. Step by step we learn, we practice, we educate ourselves.  This is our most connected and fulfilling path, to do what we love and become the most authentic expression of ourSelf.  

The problems do seem overwhelming and discouraging, but that is only because the controllers have not opened their hearts.  As more awake, aware , and open- hearted people come into positions of influence, things will manifest more quickly.

[AnthroHeart]

It all depends on the mindset and awareness. Even in jail, one can be free.

[isis]

It all depends on the mindset and awareness. Even in jail, one can be free.

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

[AnthroHeart]

It all depends on the mindset and awareness. Even in jail, one can be free.

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

Perhaps you have never been in that mental state before.

[Minyatur]

. Freedom lies in partaking in these lexperiences of unawareness so that we can learn from it.

Au contraire Minyatur.

The freedom I am speaking of comes from a place of awareness and connection to intelligent infinity/ energy.  There is nothing to learn in intelligent infinity, all is known.  The only thing we are learning here in 3D is how to play our instrument ie. our human body, masterfully.

Intelligent infinity is the all known of these experiences, without these experiences there would be nothing to be known. These experiences came from the desire for them to be experienced so even in them there is the freedom of being in them. Some souls have not even yet started their ascension toward Intelligent Infinity and that is freedom. Those that started before us just as us whom are in the process of ascension, are doing so out of freedom. 

The 3D mind does not perceive that it is in it's most harmonious place in Universe to experience it's desired experiences and that is part of the wished experience. You never are where you truly want to be only because of the subjectivity of being veiled.

[isis]

It all depends on the mindset and awareness. Even in jail, one can be free.

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

Perhaps you have never been in that mental state before.

Thinking you are free & actually being free are two different things.

[Minyatur]

It all depends on the mindset and awareness. Even in jail, one can be free.

Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so.

Perhaps you have never been in that mental state before.

Thinking you are free & actually being free are two different things.

Thinking you are not free & actually being not free are also two different things.