Service to Self individuals

[Matt1]

I found this interesting article listing the top 25 most evil people in world history. Its no surprise we see Genghis Khan on the list , who Ra mentions was harvested as a 4th density STS entity.

I wonder how many of them were harvested?

https://25mostevil.wordpress.com/ 
(Word of warning, some of the description text can be quite detailed)

They all seem to have did similar things in one way or another.

[APeacefulWarrior]

No offense, but I honestly don't think there's much point in dwelling on such things. Even the most "evil" by human standards have still been merely playing their parts in the great game. All were loved by the Creator just the same. Not to mention that such acts, even committed over a lifetime, are still only a tiny fraction of what that entity would have experienced across their lives and forms.

Let those who are negative be drawn towards such negative figures. Or let them stand as tests for those who seek to be loving towards all. Either way, there's little to be gained from dwelling on their specific atrocities, or speculating about where their journeys took them next.

[Aion]

Yeah, cause screw curiosity if it has nothing to do with spiritual evolution.

I'd probably say it's a mixed bag as to who might have been harvested and who not. One of the issues is that often 'evil' individuals are also glamourized or have their stories twisted or made-up to make them more monstrous so it's hard to say at all what the actual deeds of these individuals were.

I think these things can be useful to know and think about if you are interested in doing work with planetary healing since it reveals some of the minds that have produced memories and experiences in the planetary mind that may be traumatized or having causes trauma to others. Maybe not specifically to the detail, but being aware that there have been these consciousnesses in the experience of the planet.

[Matt1]

No offense, but I honestly don't think there's much point in dwelling on such things. Even the most "evil" by human standards have still been merely playing their parts in the great game. All were loved by the Creator just the same. Not to mention that such acts, even committed over a lifetime, are still only a tiny fraction of what that entity would have experienced across their lives and forms.

Let those who are negative be drawn towards such negative figures. Or let them stand as tests for those who seek to be loving towards all. Either way, there's little to be gained from dwelling on their specific atrocities, or speculating about where their journeys took them next.

I think the investigation of negative side of the psyche is an important part of balancing. How can you see the light if you haven't seen the darkness? as the old saying goes. There's a fairly decent difference upon dwelling on a subject and investigating one.

[Aion]

What I don't like about this site and its expressions is they are just using all of the extravagant and popular stories surrounding these individuals rather than actually looking at their deeper history. Also, I am always bothered by these kinds of things when they start expressing how the individual had been feeling while they were doing things as though modern scholars have any clue what the lives of these individuals were like from their perspective.

[Matt1]

I think one of the major issue with negative material is the tendency for new ages circles or groups to completely reject it, as if the simple understanding or investigation into such a subject equals walking on the negative path as a course of evolution. I believe that by looking at individuals from history we can gain insight into ones own personality and the collective consciousness of the planet. In my opinion the real negative actions is the rejection of pseudo negative material on the assumption of positivity , which in my understand is coming from a subconscious fear of the shadow self.

[Aion]

I think there is also a tendency in new age groups to not only reject negative material, but reject any notion that negativity even exists. I believe our planetary mind has some pretty severe traumas and complexes' in it, and I think the only way to deal with that is to go in to the suffering, not to shy away from it.

[AnthroHeart]

I was probably killed by one of them in a past life. I hold no ill feelings.

[Aion]

I have both killed and been killed in such situations.

I was reading in a book how Hitler was a manifestation of the Creator's denial of guilt and that gave me an idea that many of these kinds of individuals seem to actually be manifestations of energies which have become so heavily suppressed and distorted that they became antithetical to the intentions of the Logos whom has a leaning towards compassion.

This makes me think that maybe in the mind of the Logos when the saga of polarity began it began to perceive its 'negative side' and became either frightened or intimidated and attempted to repress these thoughts in its Galactic Mind. These thoughts then over time had to manifest and have done so through the emergence of the negative polarity. Thus, it seems that the work is for the Galactic Logos to face and embrace this negative side of itself which is capable of cruelty, anger, hatred and destruction. It is doing so through the manifestation of sub-Logoi which express these energies, ergo, planets, stars and creatures.

However, that being said, that makes me consider that the Galactic Logos itself is actually what experiences the shift in Octave. It is the Logos that is experiencing going through the Octave experience. Thus, this whole mechanism is a creation designed to create the necessary vibration through the interplay of potential and kinetic energies to thus raise the entire galaxy to the next Octave level of vibration.

Thus, while it is important to focus on our own path or our own polarity, I believe the ultimate goal is to be able to embrace the existence of both simultaneously. Then the difference is released, polarity is released, and there is left only identity.

[AnthroHeart]

But Ra says that the sub-Logos doesn't go through Octave evolution like we do. Don't know about the Logos though.

Ra also says that identity is an illusion, and that in 7D we lose our identity, and become the Creator.

[Aion]

But Ra says that the sub-Logos doesn't go through Octave evolution like we do. Don't know about the Logos though.

Ra also says that identity is an illusion, and that in 7D we lose our identity, and become the Creator.

Where does Ra say that? Also, I don't think it is the same on each level, no, but it makes sense to me if the planet itself can move in to the next density that it, and the next higher logos, are also in some way tied in to the Octave cycle. I don't think it is particular to us in third-density.

Also yes, that is true, but you must go through 3D, 4D, 5D and 6D before you can go through 7D.

[AnthroHeart]

41.7 Questioner: Thank you. What I want to do now is investigate, as the first density is formed, what happens and how energy centers are first formed in beings. Let me first ask you, does it make any sense to ask you if the sun itself has a density, or is it all densities?

Ra: I am Ra. The sub-Logos is of the entire octave and is not that entity which experiences the learning/teachings of entities such as yourselves.

[Aion]

That still says that it is experiencing the octave structure though. That tells me that the sub-Logos has all of its bodies activated all of the time, whereas we only have one activated (or two) at a time usually. It doesn't have a density because it is all densities, but it is still 'of the entire octave' as Ra says and thus involved in the octave structure.

[Minyatur]

That still says that it is experiencing the octave structure though. That tells me that the sub-Logos has all of its bodies activated all of the time, whereas we only have one activated (or two) at a time usually. It doesn't have a density because it is all densities, but it is still 'of the entire octave' as Ra says and thus involved in the octave structure.

You can argue that particles do exist within this octace yet they are from the previous one. I think all inter-connected always. The awareness of it is what's lacking.

[AnthroHeart]

That still says that it is experiencing the octave structure though. That tells me that the sub-Logos has all of its bodies activated all of the time, whereas we only have one activated (or two) at a time usually. It doesn't have a density because it is all densities, but it is still 'of the entire octave' as Ra says and thus involved in the octave structure.

You can argue that particles do exist within this octace yet they are from the previous one. I think all inter-connected always. The awareness of it is what's lacking.

Do you say particles come from the previous octave because of my vision that I had and talked about once? I can't be sure about that.

[Aion]

That still says that it is experiencing the octave structure though. That tells me that the sub-Logos has all of its bodies activated all of the time, whereas we only have one activated (or two) at a time usually. It doesn't have a density because it is all densities, but it is still 'of the entire octave' as Ra says and thus involved in the octave structure.

You can argue that particles do exist within this octace yet they are from the previous one. I think all inter-connected always. The awareness of it is what's lacking.

Everything in manifestation is intelligent energy in its many, many distortions. The Octave structure is a lens or prism through which this energy is articulated (distorted) in a particular way. So to say "particles" are "from a previous octave" makes no sense to me, because in my mind particles are temporary, not eternal, and they exist only in their moments of manifestation, whereas the energy that manifests in to the particles is the eternal structure underlying the particles. Hence, I believe every instance, in every position of every particle is unique, and they do not "travel" as such. So perhaps you would say that the concept of particles was developed in the previous octave?

[Stranger]

Personally I do not feel there is any benefit to be derived from focusing on negativity. Our consciousness is like a radio: we can tune into any frequency, from the sublime to the depraved. And if we want to be happy, it makes sense to tune into the happy station. If it were useful for us to encounter or experience the type of negativity posted on that site, it would have been presented to us as catalyst in our own lives. What our eyes see, our consciousness swallows. I prefer to not intentionally swallow s**t.

Now, this is a distinct scenario from, say, going to a disaster-stricken area or working for the EMS and seeing the horrors associated with that. The difference is that, in those cases, you'd actually be able to help. Even then, it would be vital to make sure one is able to do so with love, without getting dragged down and overwhelmed by it.

Inner peace is required to find love, and love is needed to serve this planet on the most meaningful level, and also in order to polarize.
If we intentionally look for things that interfere with that peace, whether it's porn or atrocities, it's not helping us or others.

[AnthroHeart]

I guess it depends on the type of porn. As long as no one gets hurt.

[Aion]

Personally I do not feel there is any benefit to be derived from focusing on negativity.  Our consciousness is like a radio: we can tune into any frequency, from the sublime to the depraved.  And if we want to be happy, it makes sense to tune into the happy station.  If it were useful for us to encounter or experience the type of negativity posted on that site, it would have been presented to us as catalyst in our own lives.  What our eyes see, our consciousness swallows.  I prefer to not intentionally swallow s**t.

Now, this is a distinct scenario from, say, going to a disaster-stricken area or working for the EMS and seeing the horrors associated with that.  The difference is that, in those cases, you'd actually be able to help.  Even then, it would be vital to make sure one is able to do so with love, without getting dragged down and overwhelmed by it.

Inner peace is required to find love, and love is needed to serve this planet on the most meaningful level, and also in order to polarize.
If we intentionally look for things that interfere with that peace, whether it's porn or atrocities, it's not helping us or others.

So encountering it on a forum doesn't count as part of your own life?

I don't think it's that people look for things to interfere with that peace, it's that they are trying to come to peace with the fact that those things exist.

[Stranger]

I guess it depends on the type of porn. As long as no one gets hurt.

Gemini, to be clear, none of these things are "wrong", but not everything is equally helpful in terms of spiritual progress. A major aim of 3D is to learn to live in the knowledge that all is One Divine Consciousness, to see through and beyond the illusion of the physical. Porn works directly against that; it takes a person, carrying the consciousness of the Infinite Creator within him or her, and transforms them in our perception into an object for our sexual gratification. So, is that wrong? no. But it works directly against our efforts at spiritual progress.

In other words, someone does get hurt, in the only way that really matters - spiritually. That person is the viewer.

[AnthroHeart]

I was referring to cartoon porn where none of the beings are real.

[Aion]

I guess it depends on the type of porn. As long as no one gets hurt.

Gemini, to be clear, none of these things are "wrong", but not everything is equally helpful in terms of spiritual progress.  A major aim of 3D is to learn to live in the knowledge that all is One Divine Consciousness, to see through and beyond the illusion of the physical.  Porn works directly against that; it takes a person, carrying the consciousness of the Infinite Creator within him or her, and transforms them in our perception into an object for our sexual gratification.  So, is that wrong?  no.  But it works directly against our efforts at spiritual progress.

In other words, someone does get hurt, in the only way that really matters - spiritually.  That person is the viewer.

That is only if you have the perception that they are an object for your gratification. The mere viewing of porn or any other material doesn't immediately necessitate any particular perception. It seems like you are attributing the characteristics of the perception to the catalyst rather than acknowledging that each individual will perceive and interpret for themselves. What it seems you are saying is someone who perceives porn in a certain way is acting against themselves spiritually, but your words suggest that the mere sight of such a thing causes one to act against themselves and that doesn't make sense to me. The catalyst is catalyst. What the catalyst becomes in the individual depends on that individual.

[Minyatur]

Everything in manifestation is intelligent energy in its many, many distortions. The Octave structure is a lens or prism through which this energy is articulated (distorted) in a particular way. So to say "particles" are "from a previous octave" makes no sense to me, because in my mind particles are temporary, not eternal, and they exist only in their moments of manifestation, whereas the energy that manifests in to the particles is the eternal structure underlying the particles. Hence, I believe every instance, in every position of every particle is unique, and they do not "travel" as such. So perhaps you would say that the concept of particles was developed in the previous octave?

All octaves are connected, Ra said that 8D goes into mid 1D of the next octace so it makes sense to me 
 that particles which are the foundation of matter could very well be 7D of the previous octave whereas when they reach 8D they begin to form matter.

What we are in 7D to the next octave is like what a particle is to ours in term of spectrum of awareness. That's my understanding.

Each particle is within the previous octave including parralel realities. I view Creation as a fractalic infinite evolution within which there is infinite many-ness at each level of existance.

This whole octave has at it's foundation the previous one.

[Aion]

Everything in manifestation is intelligent energy in its many, many distortions. The Octave structure is a lens or prism through which this energy is articulated (distorted) in a particular way. So to say "particles" are "from a previous octave" makes no sense to me, because in my mind particles are temporary, not eternal, and they exist only in their moments of manifestation, whereas the energy that manifests in to the particles is the eternal structure underlying the particles. Hence, I believe every instance, in every position of every particle is unique, and they do not "travel" as such. So perhaps you would say that the concept of particles was developed in the previous octave?

All octaves are connected, Ra said that 8D goes into mid 1D of the next octace so it makes sense to me 
 that particles which are the foundation of matter could very well be 7D of the previous octave whereas when they reach 8D they begin to form matter.

What we are in 7D to the next octave is like what a particle is to ours in term of spectrum of awareness. That's my understanding.

Each particle is within the previous octave including parralel realities. I view Creation as a fractalic infinite evolution within which there is infinite many-ness at each level of existance.

This whole octave has at it's foundation the previous one.

Of course, I agree with you, but my point is that there is ONE energy, ONE thing which is actually all of those things, all of the octaves, it is that which lies behind all appearances and yet has no appearance itself. There is certain a fractal structure, but what of its substance? I believe that is intelligent energy.

[Minyatur]

Of course, I agree with you, but my point is that there is ONE energy, ONE thing which is actually all of those things, all of the octaves, it is that which lies behind all appearances and yet has no appearance itself. There is certain a fractal structure, but what of its substance? I believe that is intelligent energy.

Then there is no disagreement

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To go back to the thread. The reason why not many would have harvested negatively is probably because they were negative wanderers front the start.

[Nicholas]

What I don't like about this site and its expressions is they are just using all of the extravagant and popular stories surrounding these individuals rather than actually looking at their deeper history.

Which is why I dearly hope that members like yourself Tan.rar choose to hang around and hold the torch, so to speak. Carla had a vision and the topics up for discussion here may or may not reflect what she had in mind. Irrespective of whether they do or not, do we not have the opportunity to reflect that vision, as opposed to objecting to our perceived deviating versions of it?

[darklight]

Elizabeth Bathory was a countess who lived in the Carpathian Mountains.  She was one of the inspirations of Dracula and her nickname was Countess Dracula.  She was possibly the most prolific serial killer in history.  She believed that blood on her skin made her fresher and younger.  She was responsible for the killing of 650 girls; many were tortured for weeks and were often naked when they were tortured.

I don't believe this lady was on the STS path. She was not only evil, but also not very bright in the head.

STS means control and manipulation: let your people believe your're doing the right thing. If you do it good, the people will love you. A serial killer like Elizabeth Bathory can't manipulate the majority of a global society, that's not the way how STS works.

[Stranger]

Any successful accumulation of power and control over others is STS. What you're describing reflects degrees of STS skilfulness.

[Lighthead]

Any successful accumulation of power and control over others is STS.  What you're describing reflects degrees of STS skilfulness.

Good point. And her limited knowledge about the way the world worked (as regards modern science and blood) is simply a constraint of the time that she lived in. And who knows, maybe blood did help her skin. I know that my body is way different from that of any other's. Sometimes in alien ways.

[darklight]

STS means influence the thoughts/opinions of other people to get power and control over them (Stockholm syndrome/mind control).

Serial killers, rapers, robbers etc are not even close to the concept of STS.