To Vaccinate or Not

[AnthroHeart]

Hi Zachary,

What do you mean by Conspiracy level 9000?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-over-9000

[indolering]

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http://www.naturalnews.com/049376_vaccin...ctors.html

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The relentless creep of fascism...

Total abandonment of medical ethics: Vaccine-pushing doctors announce they will refuse to treat anti-vaccine parents

NaturalNews) Parents who exercise their God-given right not to vaccinate their children face a growing onslaught of threats from some in the medical community who, apparently rejecting the oath they swore to "do no harm," are now violently refusing to treat anti-vaccine parents unless they conform to the vaccine agenda.


One such militant doctor is Charles Goodman, a Los Angeles-based pediatrician who recently posted a notice in his waiting room and on Facebook that he will no longer see unvaccinated children. His personal opinion that unvaccinated children are a threat to the vaccinated has overridden his commitment to provide care for all of his patients, a growing sentiment within the pro-vaccine religion.



read more: 


http://www.naturalnews.com/049376_vaccin...ctors.html

[Bluebell]

yeah, i heard about that! the medical tyranny needs to go down!

[indolering]

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California Parents Shut Down Vote on Mandatory Vaccines

Concerned parents and conscientious objectors packed out a California Senate committee hearing in Sacramento yesterday, loudly voicing disapproval of a bill which would severely restrict a parent’s right to opt their children out of state-mandated vaccines.

Senate health committee officials on Wednesday decided to postpone a vote after hearing over three hours of testimony from both sides of the vaccine debate, including arguments from parents who showed up from across the state to oppose SB 277.

Committee members voted 6-2 in favor of the controversial bill last week, prompting an overwhelming response from parents yesterday who formed a line down the hallway leading up to the hearing room and out onto the capitol grounds.

Many parents threatened to remove their children from the public school system if the bill were to pass, saying they’d “rather keep their kids out of schools than vaccinate them,” according to Courthouse News.
“Vaccines come with a risk of injury and death, and there’s no liability for the medical doctors or the pharmaceutical companies,“ a chiropractor and mother expressed in an interview outside the hearing. “In this situation it should definitely be a choice.”


Robert Moxley, a Wyoming attorney who specializes in representing vaccine-injured victims, also called the bill a violation of due process and labeled it “unconstitutional.”

“The Supreme Court will not tolerate a mechanism for medical exemptions only; it is a denial of due process and a violation of the right to free exercise of religion,” he said.
SB 277 would still allow parents to opt out of vaccines, but they would need to obtain a medical exemption from a health care provider, which are seldom handed out.
Following testimony, committee Chairwoman Sen. Carol Liu recommended that a vote on the bill be postponed until concerns were addressed regarding the method by which unvaccinated children would be removed from or kept from attending school.
“If I were you, I would not take a vote today. I would try to get answers to all the questions that have been raised,” Sen. Liu told one of the bill’s author Sen. Richard Pan. “Otherwise, I don’t think your bill proceeds out of this committee.”
“Flanked by television cameras and reporters, Pan huddled with his staff before reluctantly accepting a no vote,” reported Courthouse News.
In the days leading up to this week’s hearing, Sen. Pan was assigned a security team after allegedly receiving multiple online threats.
Another senator also highlighted other contentious portions of the bill, including a provision that keeps unimmunized children from attending private schools, and another section that allows the legislature to add future immunizations to be added to the list of mandated vaccines.

http://galacticconnection.com/california...-vaccines/

[Richard]

I don't partake of flu vaccines, but that is my choice as an adult...the others...

Polio....or vaccination
Smallpox...or vaccination

Both of these were rampant at one time or another not so long ago. Polio pokes its horrendous head fairly regularly even these days. Thanks to the anti-vaccine crowd.

The consequences to not using vaccines can be horrific. I'll spare you the graphics, but maybe you should google polio and smallpox images to see what you might spare your loved ones. Not vaccinating your children for these diseases borders on criminal, in my opinion.

[Bluebell]

maybe u should read my post, Richard. because i already dealt w that idea.

[indolering]

I don't partake of flu vaccines, but that is my choice as an adult...the others...

Polio....or vaccination
Smallpox...or vaccination

Both of these were rampant at one time or another not so long ago.  Polio pokes its horrendous head fairly regularly even these days. Thanks to the anti-vaccine crowd.

The consequences to not using vaccines can be horrific.  I'll spare you the graphics, but maybe you should google polio and smallpox images to see what you might spare your loved ones. Not vaccinating your children for these diseases borders on criminal, in my opinion.

Coercion into being poisoned is criminal.  Take all the jabs you like, but don't dare threaten me into accepting poison into my vein.  Your assumptions about how vaccines have 'saved' us from polio, etc, has been proven false.  Mandatory therapy by any medical system is out and out fascism.  Did you read the story about the 17 year old girl who was taken from her parents and forced to undergo chemotherapy and radiation...?  Yes, this happened in America, land of the fee and home of the slave.  We're losing our country to satanic parasites and most of us seem blissfully unaware.  Wake up, Ace.

[Matt1]

I have never had any vaccinations. I am in good health.

My parents never let me get them, because my dad was aware of the issues that they might have hadthrough alternative media.

[indolering]

I have never had any vaccinations. I am in good health.

My parents never let me get them, because my dad was aware of the issues that they might have had through alternative media.

You're fortunate to have an intelligent dad. I had to produce reams of evidence to persuade my daughter not to vaccinate her first-born. So many serious maladies are the direct result of these poisonous jabs. Consider yourself one of the lucky few.

[indolering]

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Six Month-Old Baby Dies Just Five Days After Receiving 13 Vaccines

Imagine being emotionally blackmailed by your doctor to have your baby vaccinated with a lethal cocktail of 13 vaccines, which included two doses of the DTaP, three doses of the oral rotavirus vaccine and two doses of the polio vaccination. It sounds impossible, doesn’t it?

However, this is exactly what happened to Alisa Neathery when she took her six month-old unvaccinated baby to the doctor for the first time.
She told VacTruth:
[font='Times New Roman', serif]“Prior to the shots being given, when the doctor was discussing the pros of getting vaccinated with me, he explained how he was from a village in Africa. That we were lucky in America to have the opportunity to receive vaccines because where he was from, the mothers had to have like 11 kids each, since most would die off from disease because they were not as fortunate to receive vaccines like we are here in America. He really pushed them on me hard. He spent a lot of time convincing me to give Bently the vaccines, but when it was done, we never saw the doctor again.”[/font]
According to Alisa, the doctor spent a long time deciding exactly which vaccinations Bently should receive and told Alisa that they shouldn’t give him too many. The doctor eventually decided on a total of 13 vaccinations, which Alisa now believes led to Bently’s death just five days later.
If this were not bad enough, the hospital then decided to blame Alisa for Bently’s death and called child protective services (CPS), who immediately removed her two year-old daughter from the home and gave her to the grandmother to care for her.
Fortunately, her daughter was returned a few months later.

read more:

http://vactruth.com/2015/04/23/baby-dies...-vaccines/ 

 

[Bluebell]

people need to be more independent dealing w doctors. doctors have too much power!

[Diana]

people need to be more independent dealing w doctors. doctors have too much power!

Doctors only have power if you give it to them.

[AnthroHeart]

I got vaccinated against Tetanus about a year ago, because you can break your bones with that disease. The disease causes terrible seizures. I think Monica recommended that.

[ShawnnaConnolly]

I have had every vaccine available, as have both of my sons.

Science is what matters to me in this area, and the science continues to discover the benefits.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda...es-vaccine

[indolering]

I have had every vaccine available, as have both of my sons.  

Science is what matters to me in this area, and the science continues to discover the benefits.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda...es-vaccine

It would be terrific if we could rely on science to help us make important decisions – after all, that was the intention of science in the first place, to establish the truth of our world.


HOWEVER, we live in a world today wherein not all scientific endeavor is free from manipulation by vested interests. Unfortunately, the vital study of vaccinations is one of those fields which is influenced by the powerful pharmaceutical industry. The accepted science of vaccinations has proven to be utterly false. Even the basis for immunology regarding vaccines is false: the efficacy of vaccinations to provide immune response has never been proven. There exists a plethora of evidence that vaccines do not provide the protection we seek from them. I urge you to study this subject further before someone you love becomes victim to these poisons.  Seek counsel from both sides of the debate and make up your own god-given mind - don't allow those vaunted authority figures, 'doctors' to make that decision for you.  They are practically all manipulated to dispense the 'recommended' drug for a given condition.  You have it within you to make an informed choice, free of Big Pharma's arm-twisting tactics.  Remember, the drug companies want to make vaccinations mandatory upon very dodgy arguments that non-vaccinated people are the cause of outbreaks, clearly a propaganda lie.  How do I know this?  Simple.  The latest Disneyland outbreak involved both vaccinated and non-vaccinated kids!  Think a moment of the vast fortunes to be made when everyone is coerced - what happened to parental consent, medical & religious freedom?  Out the window with the rest of our liberties.

We'd all love to believe that at least one institution is uncorrupted and working for the good of mankind.  It's just not the case.  Scientific inquiry is manipulated by the money masters just as in politics, military, foreign policy and practically every other human institution.  


 

[Shawnna]

Vaccines have saved millions of lives.

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

[indolering]

Vaccines have saved millions of lives.

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

You're quoting declarations by scientists whose judgments are based on fraudulent evidence. Do some research on your own, carefully look at both sides of the argument. Then tell me you believe the scientists and not the millions of parents with children whose lives were destroyed by these poisons. Is your faith in science so strong that you would take a chance like that? Honestly.

[Shawnna]

Vaccines have saved millions of lives.  

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

You're quoting declarations by scientists whose judgments are based on fraudulent evidence.  Do some research on your own, carefully look at both sides of the argument.  Then tell me you believe the scientists and not the millions of parents with children whose lives were destroyed by these poisons.  Is your faith in science so strong that you would take a chance like that?  Honestly.

I have faith in the Infinite Creator that our scientists are looking for ways to cure disease and ease pain. Medicine is not pseudo-science. There are millions of lives that have been saved with vaccines.

Yes, there are others (not millions) whose bodies have had a negative reaction to vaccines. But for the vast majority, vaccines are effective and promote public health.

My choice to vaccine my sons when they were young, and keep my own vaccines current as I've grown older is within my STO approach to being a member of society. I would not want my choice to ever cause harm to another.

[indolering]

Vaccines have saved millions of lives.  

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

You're quoting declarations by scientists whose judgments are based on fraudulent evidence.  Do some research on your own, carefully look at both sides of the argument.  Then tell me you believe the scientists and not the millions of parents with children whose lives were destroyed by these poisons.  Is your faith in science so strong that you would take a chance like that?  Honestly.

I have faith in the Infinite Creator that our scientists are looking for ways to cure disease and ease pain.  Medicine is not pseudo-science.  There are millions of lives that have been saved with vaccines.  

Yes, there are others (not millions) whose bodies have had a negative reaction to vaccines.  But for the vast majority, vaccines are effective and promote public health.

My choice to vaccine my sons when they were young, and keep my own vaccines current as I've grown older is within my STO approach to being a member of society.  I would not want my choice to ever cause harm to another.

I've said my peace.  Good luck in your faith.  I pray that your children are never harmed by your decision.

[Shawnna]

Vaccines have saved millions of lives.  

http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm

You're quoting declarations by scientists whose judgments are based on fraudulent evidence.  Do some research on your own, carefully look at both sides of the argument.  Then tell me you believe the scientists and not the millions of parents with children whose lives were destroyed by these poisons.  Is your faith in science so strong that you would take a chance like that?  Honestly.

I have faith in the Infinite Creator that our scientists are looking for ways to cure disease and ease pain.  Medicine is not pseudo-science.  There are millions of lives that have been saved with vaccines.  

Yes, there are others (not millions) whose bodies have had a negative reaction to vaccines.  But for the vast majority, vaccines are effective and promote public health.

My choice to vaccine my sons when they were young, and keep my own vaccines current as I've grown older is within my STO approach to being a member of society.  I would not want my choice to ever cause harm to another.

I've said my peace.  Good luck in your faith.  I pray that your children are never harmed by your decision.

Thank you - I, too, pray that society and others are not harmed by your conscious choice as well.

Namaset.

[Minyatur]

As much as I don't like to talk about conspiracy theories anymore, the pharmaceutical industry surely is corrupted.

I wouldn't care about vaccines on myself because I don't care about my own body.

[Monica]

I have faith in the Infinite Creator that our scientists are looking for ways to cure disease and ease pain.  Medicine is not pseudo-science.

No one's denying science. The science is quite clear that vaccines aren't safe. It is the people twisting scientific facts for financial gain who are at fault.

The problem is that the public thinks they are being presented with scientific facts, when in reality they are being fed lies, masquerading as science.

Don't believe me? See for yourself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYAVLDyR6Y All of it is well worth watching, for the science. See, in particular, the polio graph at 39:18.

As they say, figures don't lie but liars can figure.

[native]

Everyone is just trying to help as we stumble around in the darkness..all else is separative detail I think. I get tired of pretending that I have the answers..all the details and the worrying is tiring. Here is my refined answer to my admitted unknowingness

I think it's common sense that we shouldn't be injecting fragile infants, and while we probably should vaccinate less, in the name of compromise I don't see why we can't work together and alleviate fears by highly advising certain infectious disease vaccines be given at the age of say 5, before all the snotty nose childrens are running around together in class. If we believe in love offering protection, then this givingness towards the harmony of the collective will make any supposed negative effects an impossibility.

"Thus we see protection being very simple. Give thanksgiving for each moment. See the self and the other-self as Creator. Open the heart. Always know the light and praise it. This is all the protection necessary."

[Monica]

When I did my research 27 years ago, there were only 2 instances in which I was more afraid of the disease than of the vaccine: tetanus and rabies.

In all other cases, the vaccine was much more scary than the disease.

Now, there is a lot more info available which I didn't even have back then, that reinforces my conclusion.

[AnthroHeart]

When I did my research 27 years ago, there were only 2 instances in which I was more afraid of the disease than of the vaccine: tetanus and rabies.

In all other cases, the vaccine was much more scary than the disease.

Now, there is a lot more info available which I didn't even have back then, that reinforces my conclusion.

I got a tetanus shot a few years ago because you had mentioned that in the forum. Are you now not recommending even the tetanus?

[Monica]

I got a tetanus shot a few years ago because you had mentioned that in the forum. Are you now not recommending even the tetanus?

Tetanus was the only vaccine I gave my son. Rabies is the only vaccine I continue to give my cats and dogs. In both cases, the vaccines had less potential adverse effects than other vaccines, and it was clear that the vaccine really did work. Plus, the diseases are acutely life-threatening, without viable, reliable alternative options.

In all other cases (of those I researched), the vaccines had potentially worse adverse reactions, their efficacy was highly questionable, and alternative preventative and treatment options were/are available, including homeopathy and other alternatives.

For me, it was a matter of weighing out the pros and cons of each vaccine. I stand by the decision I made 27 years ago. Under no circumstances would I consider any other vaccines, other than those 2. Certainly I consider the flu shot to be the worst of the worst, but I consider the cocktail of baby shots to be playing Russian Roulette with one's child, while setting them up for a lifetime of impaired immune function, or worse...even autism or death. I reasoned back then, and still believe today, that I'd rather take my chances with an intact immune system.

But for tetanus and rabies, an intact immune system doesn't help much. Fortunately, those 2 vaccines are among the least dangerous, and the most efficacious.

The problem is that tetanus is mixed with diptheria and given as a DT shot. If you ask for a tetanus shot, most likely you are getting DT. I had to special order a tetanus vaccine by itself.

I didn't just 'not vaccinate' though. I had/have an arsenal of natural, effective, alternative tools in my medicine chest. There is much we can do as parents to naturally immunize our children. There are no guarantees with anything, but I'd rather trust a strong immune system along with herbal and homeopathic medicines, than knowingly poison my child.

That's my personal decision based on the research that I did. Each must decide for themselves. I recommend only that people get educated about this, and really look into why there is a controversy, and listen to the stories of the parents whose children were damaged by vaccines, and watch documentaries such as the one I posted, from other countries who have a less corrupt medical system than we do here, before making such an intractable decision. Many of those parents said "I wish I had listened to those other parents instead of blindly trusting my doctor" but it was too late.

[Monica]

A few more points to note:

1. Whenever there is outbreak of measles, most of the children have been vaccinated.

2. If vaccines worked reliably, then no one would be concerned about those who choose not to vaccinate. How could my unvaccinated child threaten your vaccinated child, if vaccines worked?

3. Many diseases, including polio, were already on the decline before the vaccines were introduced. But this minor little detail got covered up.

4. Homeopathic vaccines exist and have been used in Europe, and clinical evidence showed that they were more effective than the chemical vaccines. Look up Dr. Dorothy Shepherd.

5. All you have to do to learn the truth is listen to the stories of these parents whose beautiful, perfectly normal children became autistic (or even died) within a few hours of being vaccinated. Once you open your mind and heart to these true stories, of which there are many, it no longer matters what the so-called 'experts' tell you.

[Minyatur]

It's all about $$$

[Shawnna]

Not absolutely true, and definitely not as straight forward as that Min.

At one point, (1980's?) manufacturers were going to stop making vaccines due to the potential liability from the very, very small number of individuals who may have a severe negative reaction to the DPT vaccine.  The US govt created a specific court process to handle these cases as a way to encourage manufacturers to support our public health needs for adequate vaccine supplies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court

I'm very glad the majority base their decision to vaccinate on sound medical advice, rather than fear created by lack of knowledge or anecdotal incidence.

Number of claims:



Here's a link to the full report.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzJzyKM...sp=sharing

The reality is, in the USA, all health care is treated as a market based commodity so this particular financial approach reflects how we treat access to health care in this country.  Until we learn that when one of us hurts, we all hurt, that won't change.