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07-07-2015, 04:26 PM
(07-07-2015, 04:13 PM)Parsons Wrote: We use chrome at work, but unfortunately addons/extensions stop working after first use (I think my workplace blocks them). But I appreciate the suggestion. Can you access Developer Tools? ALT+CMD+i on Mac (View - Develop - Developer Tools, by menu). Will be similar on Windows.
07-07-2015, 04:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2015, 04:35 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
Hello friends,
I just wanted to offer some quick clarifications to the discussion going on in this thread. In regards to the situation that IndigoGeminiWolf is referring to, and what ultimately started the discussion regarding censorship, it is helpful to understand that while the moderators attempt to maintain as much consistency as possible in our actions, there are some areas in which the fuller context lends itself to our decisions in a greater way than others. This general topic is one of those. Add this to the fact that we are not omni-present on the forums, there will be inconsistencies, and some perceived to a greater degree than others. In this particular case, though, I think it’s good that we point out what isn’t inconsistent. Had Gemini posted a music video within the same context as the videos he is referring to, where either a furry or a human simply had bare breasts, it would not be removed, so long as this were not being used as a way to simply post sexual content for the sake of it. Were someone to post a similar picture to the one that Gemini posted, to which he is referring, but the subject matter were humans instead of anthros in the same suggestive setting and context, in the thread which he posted it in, it would be removed. The consistent factor here is context. So, in regards to the original topic of the thread, it has nothing to do with breasts being okay but furries not. If we switch the subjects of each image, where if the anthros were human and the humans were anthros, then the humans would have been removed. Now, in regards to discussing sexuality on the forums, and the idea of an NSFW thread/forum. Nearly any subject can be discussed in the context of spiritual evolution, and in particular for these forums, discussed in the light of love, acceptance, and understanding. Sexuality can be one of the most powerful catalyst for spiritual evolution, and our policies are in no way meant to condemn the exploration of such. With our desired design for Bring4th any content which would be posted to an NSFW thread or forum could be discussed outside of that forum, so long as it were approached with respect and in the context of spiritual evolution. In creating an NSFW thread or forum to accommodate for sexual discussion that does not have this focus, the context of spiritual evolution is lost, and thus the primary focus of Bring4th is lost. That’s not to say that there are not discussions on Bring4th which don’t fit into even a broad interpretation of spiritual evolution, but not dealing with topics that are so prone to misunderstanding, abuse, triggering, and hurt feelings as sexuality. We are not asking that sexuality not be explored and discussed on these forums – we are asking that the topic be approached with extra care and respect. We understand that some members would desire to use the forums as an outlet for casual sexual discourse and expression. We appreciate this desire, and support and encourage the open nature of the internet to allow for these types of expressions within communities which are intended for such topics. But the policies which are in place, those which we do our best to reflect in our actions, ask for greater focus and context to these types of discussions. Boundaries are in place in order to accommodate a particular type of discussion, one which we feel is more in-line with our purpose in creating this community. With a certain purpose in mind, we cannot accommodate every desire that every member has for Bring4th. Our inability to meet a request for an NSFW thread doesn’t preclude anyone from going elsewhere to discuss it, whether PM, email, phone, non-bring4th chatroom, other online forum, or a meeting in person, if possible. The idea of implementing a policy for NSFW tags for when a discussion, which is already allowed on the forums but may contain content viewed as inappropriate by most employers, is an idea the mods will discuss moving forward. I hope that this offers some clarification on the subject. Thanks everyone for the discussion and the feedback. Much love to all. Austin 4 da mods
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07-07-2015, 04:43 PM
(07-07-2015, 04:26 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: We understand that some members would desire to use the forums as an outlet for casual sexual discourse and expression. We appreciate this desire, and support and encourage the open nature of the internet to allow for these types of expressions within communities which are intended for such topics. But the policies which are in place, those which we do our best to reflect in our actions, ask for greater focus and context to these types of discussions. Boundaries are in place in order to accommodate a particular type of discussion, one which we feel is more in-line with our purpose in creating this community. With a certain purpose in mind, we cannot accommodate every desire that every member has for Bring4th. Our inability to meet a request for an NSFW thread doesn’t preclude anyone from going elsewhere to discuss it, whether PM, email, phone, non-bring4th chatroom, other online forum, or a meeting in person, if possible.It would help, like in that masturbation thread, if mods could reframe topic and help us discuss these topics in a way that is more aligned with B4th focus. Sometimes it can get seedy, pun intended, and kind of wtf-ish.
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07-07-2015, 08:15 PM
(07-07-2015, 04:26 PM)Namaste Wrote:(07-07-2015, 04:13 PM)Parsons Wrote: We use chrome at work, but unfortunately addons/extensions stop working after first use (I think my workplace blocks them). But I appreciate the suggestion. We can't do anything like that. RE: the idea of adding NSFW tags I guess it would only apply to threads that aren't obviously NSFW. I mean... its blatant common sense that any thread title with the word "masturbation" is going to be NSFW. 
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07-07-2015, 09:55 PM
*sigh*.... thank you Austin -
B4th members - Austin's reply is a clearer version of what I was saying... (07-07-2015, 04:26 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Hello friends, Re my comment that I felt Raz was trolling me: I was explaining forum rules, I was kind and caring to IndigoGeminiWolf - I then explained the issues of objectification women have to face, I shared my perspective and I acknowledged other perspectives can have validity, as Austin says: "...some members would desire to use the forums as an outlet for casual sexual discourse and expression" "But the policies which are in place, those which we do our best to reflect in our actions, ask for greater focus and context to these types of discussions. Boundaries are in place in order to accommodate a particular type of discussion, one which we feel is more in-line with our purpose in creating this community." but then a member posts a video completely filled with near naked young women, dancing around fully clad men... which to me - was clearly a passive/aggressive act... as it was posted directly after my expressing that I'm (also) concerned about the sexual objectification of women ... direct provocation - which to me - strongly felt like trolling... Members then (in quick succession) join this thread to critique ME.. and defend the member posting inappropriate material defend material that is sexploitation (those young women were very likely not paid proper wages, the video itself indicates that possibility) - a video that was gratuitous and broke forum rules...  The defensiveness, the lack of basic respect, the immaturity at times in these forums worries me... and so many passive/aggressive attitudes... It doesn't seem to matter how much time and care I take to calmly explain my view point, how much care I give, how much I make sure to let members know that I care about all the different aspects and complexities of something... I get misunderstood, labelled, misquoted and ganged up on, by people who refuse to examine their privilege, their myopia, and who foster an "us vs them' mentality which isn't even in the energy of what I posted... These forums only exist because of Don, Carla and Jim, but the self entitled attitudes here - selfish and insular, unwelcoming of new members efforts to share, to speak differently than the current beliefs, it's so difficult..... and there's a lack of respect for Mods and for each other on B4 which mean it's a so often an unpleasant, stressful place to visit. Yet again, I try to express my feelings, my sensibilities for what I'd like in my experience here, (which actually are in accord with current forum rules) but... again... I'm sitting here thinking... why did I bother? and can I also say.. I've received actual HATE from some members here... YES ! actual hate and then other members 'liking' posts made to me by those haters... hows that for a loving spiritual community??? so yep -I'm sitting here thinking... why do I bother? stop trying to contribute to helping this community grow.... there's a massive wave peaking outside the window right now... get out the door, get into the ocean  you're wasting your time here... leave - like others finally do... tired, disrespected, stressed over it
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07-07-2015, 10:55 PM
Splash this has happened several times in this forum... you challenge or point out issue around objectification and you get bizarre responses from the guys. Sometimes issues resolve and other times it doesn't. Overall, it's not so prevalent in B4th.
e.g., prostitution talk, commenting on someone's sex life... We also have a mod who is feminist and sensitive about this issue
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I think of this place as a very efficient mirror for growth, and growth inevitably leads to greater understanding of Love.
Differences are not only natural, they are our very purpose in existence. Some do not want to see this place as a S/M/C but this whole planet is a S/M/C composed of smallers S/M/C. In this case, the mods are the one who decides but that does not mean others cannot state their opinions. It also does not mean that the mods' opinion won't change with time and that one day there'll be a NSFW thread... who knows I do think everyone here is loving in their own way, none less or more than the others. About the issue, the verdict has been spoken!
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07-08-2015, 02:56 AM
I love you guys, sometimes I have no idea what service I might provide in your life, but this forum feels like a family of sorts to me, squabbles and all.
I think that's because a lot of us are family.
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07-08-2015, 03:53 AM
Don't assume that just because this is a forum about TLOO you're going to meet only balanced people, that's far from the case :¬)
This forum, like all, is a wonderful tool in which to practice unconditional love; *genuinely* accepting those with a different viewpoint to you. I see forums as an opportunity to balance green, yellow and blue rays. Not to be right or wrong. We're human. "s*** happens". That's the point :¬)
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Namaste has a really good point. We are human and all have various distortions, that is the human experience.
We edited our posts and made efforts to balance right within this thread and immediately. So Splash, can you recognize that we are human, imperfect and willing to take steps forward toward unity and community? Imo, this thread is a great example of just that. It may be helpful to take each experience as a clean slate, instead of lumping everything together as evidence for your hypothesis that this is not a loving spiritual community. If that is what you believe, then that is what you see. I see continual displays of love, support, community, attempts to understand, a venue for open truthful sharing, a place to be heard, a place to examine one's beliefs, distortions, attitudes, and reactions or responses. It seems like a loving community to me. I think bring4th has done an excellent job at creating an inclusive, caring, spiritual, cyber community. Ghandhi had great advice when he said be the change that you wish to see. If you feel you are totally balanced and undistorted in your loving responses, maybe you think you have reached that crystallized, clear, unified state of being...I would say more power to you. For me, I am constantly examining my own reactions and responses ...I have a lot of work to do! Everyday is another opportunity to clear out 3D to make room for 4D. In essence, I'd say I disagree with your assessment of Bring4th. I think the administration and moderation is excellent, and the membership is a community of beings who chose love and radiance.
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I´m sorry Splash but you are taking things way to personal, my initial post was not directed specifically in response to your post/s, it was an expression in general to this thread, the video was meant to be funny and stupid art not a provoking fart, more for the lyrics than the actual video. What you do see in the video tells you more about you than it does about me; reality is like an on going inkblot test and you are projecting your results on others...
What does it take for you to assume that others hate you? What proof do you need to know it as true? Do they say I hate you? Does that make it true? Do they act in a hateful manner? is that proof enough for holding an assumption of hate? the "haters", expressed your response to my post as irrationally harsh, if you look past the surface of your own reflection in their posts you can see and feel that they are and always will be loving you regardless of your assumptions of hate. Assuming hate can make it real in your experience as assumptions are powerful reality shaping tools, and right now you are using a hammer to hit your self on the fingers rather than build a house. How about assumptions of love? Have you ever tried habitually assuming that everybody loves you and you love everybody? How much proof do you need to hold an assumption of love? Do we even need proof? Or Can we just forge an assumption of love and let it permeate the structure of our life? The architecture of those assumptions can become very beautiful with time =) Seriously, I´m going to speak for the entire universe as I identify my self with the entire universe (that includes you); Behind the curtain of interpretation, EVERYBODY/THING loves you, just like you love everybody, perhaps you cant see and feel that now with all those clouds of assumptions distorting the connection and tunnel vision of "me/not me" mentality. But the Love is there regardless of opinions, that love has nothing to do with something as fleeting as ideas that some for habitual reasons defend blindly and out of fear of nothingness confuse with our identity... Universal Love is fundamental to our very nature of existence. Let our love change the world realize the world cant change our Love What draws me to this forum is that I feel that there is allot of people here who understands that we all love each other regardless of what we say and do and I find the immediate, timeless universal love very present here compared to the people in my general surroundings and I find that refreshing. We recognize that we are all growing and evolving and there is plenty of space for mistakes. "better easily amused than easily abused" *peace Love ´n bubblegum*
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07-08-2015, 08:02 AM
Thank you Shemaya, it was an intense ride =)
And thank you Splash, your post helped catalyst me in to putting in to words what I have been feeling and that really helped in clearing my energy field and clarifying some of my inner distortions. <3 I love you all and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
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07-08-2015, 01:24 PM
You guys are the best.
I'm going to state my radical opinion: I see sex as a bodily function, akin to eating. We almost all do it in one form or another, and of course, making it a sacred act is the goal. But to avoid any work in the lower chakras and only focus on the higher aspects is like doing calculus without learning arithmetic, as with all energy work. To say that Law of One is not about sexual energy transfers would probably make Ra, Carla, and Jim cry. Jim would mention almost daily his sexual intimacy with Carla, and still brings it up from time to time in the blog. It was a giant part of their lifes' work together. There is much more in the LOO about sexual energy transfers (almost always noted when talking about any sort of energy transfer) than the dozen or so hits that the search engine offers. I for one wish there was a slight more openness to sexuality on these forums, because I am very interested in discussing sexual energy work in the context of the LOO. Putting a taboo on any sort of (relatively safe, non-exploitative) sexual expression is regressive and not progressive. To be afraid to step on peoples' toes because of the intimacy involved in the issue seems oxymoronish in the context of these forums. So far as being upset by anything that happens here on these forums or by what people say: This place is full of people who spent a decent portion of their time working upon being very clean mirrors for others. So if you are upset by someone or something, you must realize that you are looking at a portion of yourself that you are denying acknowledgement. For myself, the idea of censorship is what bothers me, so feedback tells me that there are parts of me that still wish to censor other people. It may be hard to accept but I can definitely see where there may be truth. What I really want is to be able to accept all forms of expression as parts of the Creator. If I have a problem or find any form of expression distasteful, I can take it up with the Creator in the form of other selves (like interacting on the forums), which in the long run will change very little but is indeed very fun, or you can take it up with the Creator in the form of yourself, which may get you some progress a little quicker (but is also more tedious  ).If I've learned anything from 3rd density, it's that the way to overcome ones' fears is to face and confront them head on, not to delicately tip toe around and avoid them. If something makes you scared, learn about it, try to understand it, don't push it under the rug. I'm saying this with the caveat that we won't use the slippery slope argument - that this forum won't ever turn into a den of pornography - that the majority of the time this forum is a safe place, with the occasional line crossed somewhere. I hope we can continue to just discuss those occurrences openly, as it is some of the best catalyst available.
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07-08-2015, 03:37 PM
I really don't understand the purpose of an adult forum here. What would it be for?
We can discuss sexuality within the context of this site and its general purpose, already. What more is needed? If someone wants to share erotica, go elsewhere. As far as IGW and whatever that image post was—the issue of sexual preference could be discussed here within the context of the LOO and conscious evolution, without doing "show and tell." Album covers, as has been said by others here, are not the point of posting music. Presumably, the poster is sharing the music, not endorsing the album art or sharing the album art because it gets them off. In any case, I leave it to the mods to canvass that. We, as a society, are already bombarded and saturated with sexuality/objectification in the form of advertising, all media, internet, even cartoons. It's way out of balance. I don't see any reason to introduce sexually explicit (and let's recognize the difference between a nude painting by Renoir and erotica) material into this forum, which in my opinion would create a very heavy vibrational pull, which is already affecting mass consciousness in extreme ways. I am not saying there is anything wrong with animal sexuality (as opposed to sexuality which encompasses heart and higher intentions). As far as being "afraid" of sexual content, I don't think that's the issue at all. And if it were, we could still discuss it without including erotic content.
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07-08-2015, 03:38 PM
Sure our perception is influenced by our distortion, which over our life experience can become crystalized. It's lovely to remind our brothers and sisters that love is all around and this is a fuzzy community. In part I agree. A sister is opening up and sharing her catalyst, saying she does't feel love and support, that she was viewing certain actions as being done personally. Sure, we can assure her that she is loved and care for and that it was a misunderstanding. When someone is flooding out their feelings, maybe they want to also be understood instead of just say her comments are too generalized or that you don't experience this forum as she does, etc.,. Why did Splash think what she think, feel what she feels? Her reasons for her experience is as valid as others' experience of this forum, and vice-a-versa.
07-08-2015, 04:07 PM
Very profound words Raz, pertinent/applicable to each and every negative distortion we each harbour, in any context or circumstance.
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07-08-2015, 04:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2015, 04:26 PM by APeacefulWarrior.)
(07-08-2015, 03:38 PM)metieta Wrote: Her reasons for her experience is as valid as others' experience of this forum, and vice-a-versa.That may be, but there are still standards of polite discussion that folks should try to maintain. Her feeling of being threatened may have been valid, but does that really give her cause to call Raz an ignorant troll and then imply the board is full of haters who are attacking her? I mean, that's kinda escalating the situation, don't you think? She also hasn't acknowledged anyone's attempts to say "We weren't attacking you" or otherwise explain themselves. She didn't even seem to notice that Raz voluntarily took down the video after she complained. There were better ways she could have handled it, basically. Especially the "ignorant" part. If ya think someone is uneducated on a topic, find some sources for them to look at. Even just a Wiki article. No one ever changed their mind because of name-calling, and much of the time, it just causes them to disregard what a person is saying. That's a very practical bit of teach/learning that people can take away from this little brouhaha. But I'm worried that if she's decided we're all attacking her, then she'll end up seeing any attempt to point this out as a further attack.
07-08-2015, 04:32 PM
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07-08-2015, 04:49 PM
Families are the hardest catalyst yet offer best opportunity to grow :¬)
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07-08-2015, 06:43 PM
(07-08-2015, 04:14 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:(07-08-2015, 03:38 PM)metieta Wrote: Her reasons for her experience is as valid as others' experience of this forum, and vice-a-versa.That may be, but there are still standards of polite discussion that folks should try to maintain. Her feeling of being threatened may have been valid, but does that really give her cause to call Raz an ignorant troll and then imply the board is full of haters who are attacking her? I mean, that's kinda escalating the situation, don't you think? Alls I'm saying is to ask her why she felt that way and why she thought Raz (who's certifiably not a troll or like that) was a troll. I'm sure it's a misunderstanding. Placating someone by brushing off their concerns, trying to calm down catalyst but just focusing on love, or denying problems exist does seem like an implicit way to put value judgment on others' catalyst... She said in other threads she felt divisions and whatnot and so it's not new. Sometimes we don't want 'fixes' but just for people to understand our experience.
07-09-2015, 01:07 AM
(07-08-2015, 04:14 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:(07-08-2015, 03:38 PM)metieta Wrote: Her reasons for her experience is as valid as others' experience of this forum, and vice-a-versa.That may be, but there are still standards of polite discussion that folks should try to maintain. Her feeling of being threatened may have been valid, but does that really give her cause to call Raz an ignorant troll and then imply the board is full of haters who are attacking her? I mean, that's kinda escalating the situation, don't you think? I did not call Raz an "ignorant troll" after carefully and open-heartedly discussing my viewpoints which basically are in support of current forum rules (as Austin has clarified for us)... and after expressing concern as a woman who lives on a planet where women have been trying to establish their equal rights for millennia: ie: (girls and women experience the overwhelming percentage of rape, domestic violence, (until recently) weren't allowed to vote, still can't drive a car in some countries, in some countries women still have their clitoris cut off, women still have to combat institutionalised patriarchy trying to hold us back from equal rights, women are still continually being sexually objectified ... sexually exploited... etc) http://www.un.org/en/globalissues/briefi...s/endviol/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics a member posts a video of dozens of almost naked young girls and women, dancing with sexualised movements in front of and around fully clothed men who are using the sexual objectification of their near naked bodies - to promote their (all male) band, their song, their video, and their careers. so to me - that was so clear an "in your face" act of insensitivity (at best) - trolling at worst, I was sufficiently affronted to call it the later. re "ignorance" - I felt Raz's lack of knowledge, lack of understanding of the history of the equal rights (aka: feminist) struggle... was/is - "ignorance" NB: - "Ignorance"= "incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about" I found that level of "ignorance" shown by posting such a sexist, exploitative video, on a thread where there were attempts to discuss what is and isn't appropriate for B4, astonishingly insensitive and inappropriate - let alone, that to post it was in breach of already stated forum rules!... (though it isn't the first time I've encountered insensitivity and oblivious male privilege on B4 though)... but the insensitivity of the timing was really provocative imo... (I don't personally know any men who still think sexism is okay - or normal...) and btw: this isn't a situation of me being prudish... not at all... (for eg) - if everyone was naked in that video I wouldn't have replied. (I've done life drawing classes with male and female nude models, I love the human form- I don't have an issue with sex or nudity.. it's the CONTEXT that's the issue for me.) To clarify other replies here: - I didn't imply this whole site is full of haters... - Of course I noticed Raz had taken the video down... - "Better ways she could have handled it" ?what? what happened to the responsibility for Raz not to BREAK THE FORUM RULES By POSTING THAT VIDEO? fyi for mods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYlytyuKsc - I don't feel "threatened" here... I feel tired, I don't want to try to engage anymore. - I don't feel "attacked" I never used that word... and it's not what I feel. When I come here I feel stressed, amazed at (some) peoples ideas and attitudes.. and btw: the "hate" isn't imaginary, or in my mind, or being created by me - several other past and current members have pm'd me telling me they experience it from (some) people here too - - and I have experienced direct bullying by 2 members (both now on moderated status because they were clearly SO hateful and aggressive towards me), and have also experienced a number of situations over the last 7 months where several people have combined on a thread to back each other up in unkindly worded criticism of me and/or agreed with each others passive-aggressive snide or bullying comments to me. So there's NOTHING illusory or made up... or "self created" about that... what that attitude is - is "victim blaming".. it's alarmingly similar to telling a person she shouldn't have worn what ever she wore and went wherever she went - and that her assault (or rape) (or death) was her fault... if she'd done differently (hidden herself) (read: not had an opinion) - she could have avoided it... but instead - "she brought it on herself" well - F***K THAT NB: There are members who have "liked" posts by a currently suspended member where that person is very negative towards me, so in that regard I am aware I speak and interact here, amongst some people who strongly dislike me. Does this make me sad? Nope... does this hurt me? nope... does this stress me and tire me and help me realise interacting here (for me) is mostly pointless and negative? YEP so - the metaphysical theories being suggested that I'm bringing 'this' towards me, that I'm creating this - (several members suggest it's my attitude that's 'creating' what I encounter here...) sure that's "a thing".. that can happen... but in this instance it's a metaphysical theory used to argue for avoiding responsibility for peoples own negative actions... imo the negativity is already here (and B4 is gets this feedback about negativity/passive-aggressive energy here from other members who try to find a voice here, eventually have had enough of the disrespect - and close their accounts) Basic manners and personal responsibility for behaviour is often missing on B4... but most people here are very lovely and those I find negative are lovely people also... it's that (to me) their communication styles or attitudes, or inability to see beyond their world-view is hard to interact with. New members are catalyst for current members - showing you here things about YOUR selves We're not coming here and "creating" this... we're coming here and refusing to kowtow to the main Egregore here. Yes, I get to see and learn things about me - I'm not perfect and have lots to take on board also... but I'm not 'creating negativity' here... I'm exposing it. I'm standing up to it. NB: Being "hated" (very much disliked) by a few members here - doesn't upset me... but it does tire me I love me... and I'm very loved by other people in my life... I also know there are people on B4 that like me a lot  so I'm NOT saying I'm "hated/threatened or attacked" by most people here on bring 4th... Because I'm not I'm a deeply content, happy person away from this site... I don't have some 'poor sad me' thing going on... Life's too short.. I've survived death several times... B4 doesn't "attack" or "threaten" me... but it does stress me.. as I said.. it doesn't seem to matter how thoughtfully I write.. how much time and care I take to explain myself clearly... people here react with their perception/state of reality - to my words... and see - in my caring assertiveness... whatever I trigger in them... to me - people project their stuff onto/into my words... I've been trying for months now... it's too tiring, I have other work to do.... so I'm leaving... Like some others who leave, I'm a mismatch for B4... I just want to give this feedback and then I'm leaving... there are lovely people here... BEAUTIFUL people!! I even love those who don't much like me... but I gotta get outta here... best wishes to all ^j^
07-09-2015, 01:50 AM
As a final act for the day I was catching up on this thread, and as Bring4th has occasioned so many times in the past, I stand in awe and appreciation in view of the maturity, depth of thought, lightheartedness, and the very distinct line of love that each channels into the discussion.
I'm not personally weighing in on the social dynamics involved in a moment of discord, I'm noting with admiration only that, in response to the discord, and to the disagreements on this particular subject, you examine the situation with hearts open. I don't mean hearts open in a fluffy, can't-we-all-just-love each other sort of way (though that energy is helpful and needed too - if someone is giving free hugs sign me up), but more so that you refine that acceptance with the blue ray of clear, honest communication, mirroring, empathy, self-reflection, and offering the freedom to each other to express. That is definitely not perfectly achieved on Bring4th, but in reading this page of this thread on this night, I felt it shining forth. Nothing could honor the basic gist of Bring4th more than to disagree and discuss with openness and acceptance of the other-self in a context of spiritual evolution, all chakras included. You show me not only what is possible for an online community, but for myself. Love/Light, Gary PS: Raz, you reached down deeply for that post. I think Carla would have loved what you said. It speaks powerfully to the heart of her own approach, which was to assume love. She genuinely felt that people were generally happy to see her. She was so strongly rooted in a heart that never closed that she saw love reflected in love everywhere. Thank you for your post. Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi
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07-09-2015, 01:57 AM
(07-09-2015, 01:07 AM)Splash Wrote: I've been trying for months now... it's too tiring, I have other work to do.... People respond to you because you are the on who seem to have problem with others and create something out of it. Whereas the other members simply post one small post which doesn't draw as much attention nor as much reasons to mirror something back. It's fine to have problems with something, but the more you expand your problem, the more you open doors to your own distortions. As in this case, Raz posted a video, I sincerely don't have anything to say about someone only posting a video whereas I get to have a lot to say to someone writing something as long as you did and expressing ressentment and difficulties with other-selves. I could've told Raz that he was a bad Raz :@, but he removed it and did apologize to you for it, as such I don't quite see what I could even say to him in this particular case. We all make mistakes, and all we can do is discuss among us, as each of us move forward in his own growth. About hate, I do believe you caught on to negative feelings that may have been oriented toward you for a short time, but I do believe hate to be much much more than that. Annoyment is surely not hate, far from it. Members are humans, none of us has actual upon what we feel toward something. The ultimate key toward a STO mindfulness is forgiveness, understanding and acceptance. Knowledge and perception of others as the Creator and Your other-selves are also helpful tools. This is the ultimate truth of the LOO, all that you perceive is you and whether you reject it now, you will through time come to Love it All. I do think this place attracts many kind of people who are working many kind of things, and are at different stages of their own growth. It is a very efficient place for growth in ways which are not always apparent in the seeming, and resistance to it is surely the most natural thing in the Universe. To me it seems like you find this place tiring because you are seeking wrongs in others rather than seeking to know yourself. If you came here to partake rather than fight, pershaps it would not be as tiring. If you are truly to leave, I do hope you will eventually come back and that at that time you will be more open toward a sincere wish to understand those you did not understand. I highlighted my main points as for them to not be left out within the rest. Also my text is oriented toward you because you are the one who seems to have a problem, not any other members. Much Love/Light to you, but know that Love and Light come in many forms and are not always perceived as such.
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07-09-2015, 02:05 AM
Free (((((hugs)))))
I am not sure why, but I found the video to be funny, facetious, laughable. I can be a pretty diehard anti-patriarchy preacher, but for some reason, the video didn't bother me. It was just silly, imo. As an aside, it does help a great deal when men are gentle and sensitive regarding women's feelings about these things. Splash found the video offensive and others might also. That gentle sensitivity is healing salve to long standing wounds. And I am definitely not going to deny the backlash that men have endured as a result of the imbalances. We can heal the gender rift if we work together. Onward and upward!
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07-09-2015, 02:20 AM
(07-09-2015, 01:57 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(07-09-2015, 01:07 AM)Splash Wrote: I've been trying for months now... it's too tiring, I have other work to do.... you don't get it... this isn't just feedback from me... other members leave this community - rather than try to stand up for themselves.. they pm me privately about this and then close their accounts
07-09-2015, 02:31 AM
I'd like to make a parting request:
I have asked Mods to close my part of this thread - as once I leave I won't be able to reply to any more posts to or about me. I understand the issues raised can still be discussed... but could members please hold off on anymore replies directed towards me or about me? PLEASE I'm waiting for a reply from mods to this situation in regard to closing this thread/or making a split thread (that they then close) and until then could members please understand - I've said my views, explained myself, and am leaving Bring 4th. As I'm leaving once it can be organised I ask for no more replies towards me or about me.
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