Wanderers have to polarize?

[Lighthead]

Lighthead, polarization is about how much you accept. If you accept parts of yourself in meditation, and others, you are doing just fine.

When issues come up, are you accepting of them?

It's weird because I'm not really dealing with personal issues when I meditate. I just get into this really abstract state of mind that can best be described as oneness with the Creator. Buddhism doesn't necessarily believe in a Creator (I think that they believe that belief in a Creator is still just clinging to something), but it's just a state of unimaginable bliss. When I'm distracted by others in the house then it's not that deep, but I love it when I can go real deep.

[AnthroHeart]

Well I believe in a Creator, and many times realized that I am so.
I don't have to go deep to realize that.

[Lighthead]

Well I believe in a Creator, and many times realized that I am so.
I don't have to go deep to realize that.

Even though I'm into Buddhism, I do believe in a Creator too. But as humans when we think of a Creator, we think of him as all-powerful. Would we be willing to accept that the Creator, the real source, is emptiness? That's what I appreciate about Buddhism, that it goes deep.

[Minyatur]

Lighthead, polarization is about how much you accept. If you accept parts of yourself in meditation, and others, you are doing just fine.

When issues come up, are you accepting of them?

It's weird because I'm not really dealing with personal issues when I meditate. I just get into this really abstract state of mind that can best be described as oneness with the Creator. Buddhism doesn't necessarily believe in a Creator (I think that they believe that belief in a Creator is still just clinging to something), but it's just a state of unimaginable bliss. When I'm distracted by others in the house then it's not that deep, but I love it when I can go real deep.

I've had short insights of that but I never sought so much to connect with the One, I tend to avoid it in fact.

[AnthroHeart]

The One isn't involved in my daily affairs either.

[Lighthead]

The One isn't involved in my daily affairs either.

I think that the whole point of meditation is to learn to incorporate the stuff that you learn into your daily life. That's the real meaning of enlightenment.

[Monica]

But what do you think about meditation? Do you think that it's possible to reach higher states of consciousness without polarizing?

Absolutely! I don't think meditation necessarily has anything to do with polarization, though it might, depending on intention; ie., not so much that one meditates or how one meditates, but why one meditates.

[Lighthead]

But what do you think about meditation? Do you think that it's possible to reach higher states of consciousness without polarizing?

Absolutely! I don't think meditation necessarily has anything to do with polarization, though it might, depending on intention; ie., not so much that one meditates or how one meditates, but why one meditates.

That's interesting. Thanks!

But here's a question I just thought of before I close the window; when one progresses in their meditation, what is that a function of? Isn't that some sort of spiritual evolution going on? And if so, that seems like something other than polarization. I'm not necessarily referring to your scenario of the possible intent of meditation. Or is that progression possible because of the intent one has for meditation? Because I don't really seem to have any intent when I meditate. That is, other than eventual enlightenment. I don't seem to have the intent to be of service.

[Jade]

Are you serving yourself when you meditate? You say your goal is enlightenment, after that, then what? These questions are for you to answer. If you are asking more mechanically, I recommend watching that video that Cosmo posted about the science behind what meditation does to your brain.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=11438

[Matt1]

I think meditation is something that is needed along the path, or at least some daily inner spiritual work. Almost every tradition speaks of its importance, not only Ra.

[Jade]

I agree that meditation is very important. I feel it's the way we train our brains to function with as opposed to letting them run on auto mode like so many people do. When we meditate we attempt to access time/space where we can reside with our eternal selves more purely. This allows us to vibrationally align more with the higher energies and bring that into our daily lives/functioning by gradually changing the way our brains' electrical capabilities work.

[AnthroHeart]

I think if we don't do anything really stupid, or a bunch of stupid things, that we have still made the grade, for wanderers.

[Nicholas]

 I don't think meditation necessarily has anything to do with polarization, though it might, depending on intention; ie., not so much that one meditates or how one meditates, but why one meditates.

I think any other motive other than the desire to learn and grow is like wearing the latest trendy outfit. It's fashionable. So if we are trying to fit in, meditation is a pointless exercise as we will soon move on to another 'fad' and leave it in the wardrobe.

For me its to bypass the mental noise as I seriously struggle with analysing everything. The tension in my shoulders is a stark reminder to myself..."dude you need to bypass that s**t".

If it wasn't for the beauty in this world, I would be soo dead already. 

Sometimes though "polarizing" is the last thing on my mind. I just need to balance love with wisdom and serving others is a natural by product of the balancing. Oh and there is the wholly unnecessary yellow ray blockage to deal with also 

[Monica]

That's interesting. Thanks!

But here's a question I just thought of before I close the window; when one progresses in their meditation, what is that a function of? Isn't that some sort of spiritual evolution going on? And if so, that seems like something other than polarization. I'm not necessarily referring to your scenario of the possible intent of meditation. Or is that progression possible because of the intent one has for meditation? Because I don't really seem to have any intent when I meditate. That is, other than eventual enlightenment. I don't seem to have the intent to be of service.

Well, having an intent for enlightenment is still an intent.

I think we're always evolving, no matter what we do. But we aren't always doing work. Work is the utilization of catalyst. And what is the purpose of catalyst? Presumably, to polarize!

Meditation isn't necessarily work, though I suppose it might be sometimes. I think of it more as a respite from work; a recharging of our spiritual batteries so that we can then go out there and do more work!

Prayer is "God listen while I talk."

Meditation is "God talk while I listen."

[Nicholas]

What a timely quote. Thanks Monica.

[Monica]

Sometimes though "polarizing" is the last thing on my mind.

That's probably a good thing. If we do something just to polarize, then we don't polarize, or we might even polarize in the opposite direction of what we intended.

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[Minyatur]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

[Lighthead]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

I see polarization as a largely unconscious process. And if you think about it, it's really hard to be objective enough to know, in certain situations, if your intent was to serve yourself or serve others. You might be fooling yourself into thinking your motives were pure, but if you looked at all angles of the situation, you'll realize that your intent was purely selfish. That's good that we're not the ones that are doing the judging of ourselves. Although I'm sure that even that experiment has been tried (because infinity).

[native]

I was able to find this. Note the underlined portions. Maybe it's not really necessary to interact with an "other" to polarize. At least not face to face.

All things have their place. Meditation is central and aids in polarization.

Notice that the quote you cited is in reference to an adept. An adept is one who will of necessity have needed the mirrors of others to work with all the lower rays for polarization to take place.

"The penetration of the veil may be seen to begin to have its roots in the gestation of green-ray activity, that all-compassionate love which demands no return. If this path is followed the higher energy centers shall be activated and crystallized until the adept is born. Within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one. The other-self is primary catalyst in this particular path to the piercing of the veil, if you would call it that."

"It is not well for positively polarized entities to work singly. The reasons for this are obvious."

"This catalyst then is shared between peoples as an important part of each self’s development as well as the experiences of the self in solitude and the synthesis of all experience through meditation. The quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves. This is a much greater catalyst than dealing with the self. Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. Thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its beingness. Thus, each may aid each by reflection. This is also a primary reason for the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call the physical complex."

[Minyatur]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

I see polarization as a largely unconscious process. And if you think about it, it's really hard to be objective enough to know, in certain situations, if your intent was to serve yourself or serve others. You might be fooling yourself into thinking your motives were pure, but if you looked at all angles of the situation, you'll realize that your intent was purely selfish. That's good that we're not the ones that are doing the judging of ourselves. Although I'm sure that even that experiment has been tried (because infinity).

I do think think the intent is what matters. The polarity is in your own fields, that's how I view it.

[Lighthead]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

I see polarization as a largely unconscious process. And if you think about it, it's really hard to be objective enough to know, in certain situations, if your intent was to serve yourself or serve others. You might be fooling yourself into thinking your motives were pure, but if you looked at all angles of the situation, you'll realize that your intent was purely selfish. That's good that we're not the ones that are doing the judging of ourselves. Although I'm sure that even that experiment has been tried (because infinity).

I do think think the intent is what matters. The polarity is in your own in your fields, that's how I view it.

What do you mean in your own in your fields?

[Minyatur]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

I see polarization as a largely unconscious process. And if you think about it, it's really hard to be objective enough to know, in certain situations, if your intent was to serve yourself or serve others. You might be fooling yourself into thinking your motives were pure, but if you looked at all angles of the situation, you'll realize that your intent was purely selfish. That's good that we're not the ones that are doing the judging of ourselves. Although I'm sure that even that experiment has been tried (because infinity).

I do think think the intent is what matters. The polarity is in your own in your fields, that's how I view it.

What do you mean in your own in your fields?

Meant : in your own fields. 

My writing sucks lately, lacking sleep.

[Lighthead]

I think not polarizing is an excellent way to seek to know one self. Although eventually a desire to polarize may emerge.

Whether you polarize one way or another or avoid both, you work for yourself. Working and taking time in knowing yourself is never wasted time.

I see polarization as a largely unconscious process. And if you think about it, it's really hard to be objective enough to know, in certain situations, if your intent was to serve yourself or serve others. You might be fooling yourself into thinking your motives were pure, but if you looked at all angles of the situation, you'll realize that your intent was purely selfish. That's good that we're not the ones that are doing the judging of ourselves. Although I'm sure that even that experiment has been tried (because infinity).

I do think think the intent is what matters. The polarity is in your own in your fields, that's how I view it.

What do you mean in your own in your fields?

Meant : in your own fields. 

My writing sucks lately, lacking sleep.

But I just don't understand what you mean in your own fields. What are you trying to say? Maybe you're translating too literally from French to English in your mind. I'm sorry if I sound rude by saying that.

[Minyatur]

I do think think the intent is what matters. The polarity is in your own fields, that's how I view it.

What do you mean in your own in your fields?

Meant : in your own fields. 

My writing sucks lately, lacking sleep.

But I just don't understand what you mean in your own fields. What are you trying to say? Maybe you're translating too literally from French to English in your mind. I'm sorry if I sound rude by saying that.

Found this quote while looking for one that would match what I had in mind.

19.20 Questioner: Well, this would seem then that there is a relationship then between what we perceive as physical phenomena, say the electrical phenomena, and the phenomena of consciousness, and that they, having stemmed from the One Creator, are practically identical but have slightly different actions as we [tape ends.] [Is this correct?]

Ra: I am Ra. Again we oversimplify to answer your query.

The physical complex alone is created of many, manyenergy or electromagnetic fields interacting due to intelligent energy; the mental configurations or distortions of each complex further adding fields of electromagnetic energy and distorting the physical complex patterns of energy; the spiritual aspect serving as a further complexity of fields which is of itself perfect but which can be realized in many distorted and unintegrated ways by the mind and body complexes ofenergy fields.

Thus, instead of one, shall we say, magnet with one polarity, you have in the body/mind/spirit complex one basic polarity expressed in what you would call violet-ray energy, the sum of the energy fields but which is affected by thoughts of all kinds generated by the mind complex, by distortions of the body complex, and by the numerous relationships between the microcosm which is the entity and the macrocosm in many forms which you may represent by viewing the stars, as you call them, each with a contributing energy ray which enters the electromagnetic web of the entity due to its individual distortions

It goes down to if there's polarity, then what's polarized? 

[Monica]

19.20 Questioner: Well, this would seem then that there is a relationship then between what we perceive as physical phenomena, say the electrical phenomena, and the phenomena of consciousness, and that they, having stemmed from the One Creator, are practically identical but have slightly different actions as we [tape ends.] [Is this correct?]

Ra: I am Ra. Again we oversimplify to answer your query.

The physical complex alone is created of many, manyenergy or electromagnetic fields interacting due to intelligent energy; the mental configurations or distortions of each complex further adding fields of electromagnetic energy and distorting the physical complex patterns of energy; the spiritual aspect serving as a further complexity of fields which is of itself perfect but which can be realized in many distorted and unintegrated ways by the mind and body complexes ofenergy fields.

Thus, instead of one, shall we say, magnet with one polarity, you have in the body/mind/spirit complex one basic polarity expressed in what you would call violet-ray energy, the sum of the energy fields but which is affected by thoughts of all kinds generated by the mind complex, by distortions of the body complex, and by the numerous relationships between the microcosm which is the entity and the macrocosm in many forms which you may represent by viewing the stars, as you call them, each with a contributing energy ray which enters the electromagnetic web of the entity due to its individual distortions

Wow, that's a really good find! The physical vehicle is more than just a machine or a limp, dead change of clothing. It's part of us. Our cells are imbued with energy...the energy of our consciousness.

It goes down to if there's polarity, then what's polarized? 

We are polarized in relation to other-selves.

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[Cainite]

Greetings
Recently I have come to the conclusion that I'm not positive and my chi has increased.. I can't harm innocents or be vile for a moment without hating myself either. and I have to remain noble no matter what.
so now I'm thinking I may be neutral in polarity. I see great service to myself in neutrality.. I have had experiences such as fighting demons that were in advanced second density form. my last fight with a female demon was fought completely magical and she was defeated easily. every time i find myself in higher densities while unconscious.. I am always alone except when I went to her lair to fight her. my best friend was at my side. my experience of intelligent infinity was also a very solitary one.. i felt no unity just glory and other good feelings! I was alone.. so am I negative or positive? can anyone help me?

[Minyatur]

Greetings
Recently I have come to the conclusion that I'm not positive and my chi has increased.. I can't harm innocents or be vile for a moment without hating myself either. and I have to remain noble no matter what.
so now I'm thinking I may be neutral in polarity. I see great service to myself in neutrality.. I have had experiences such as fighting demons that were in advanced second density form. my last fight with a female demon was fought completely magical and she was defeated easily. every time i find myself in higher densities while unconscious.. I am always alone except when I went to her lair to fight her. my best friend was at my side. my experience of intelligent infinity was also a very solitary one.. i felt no unity just glory and other good feelings! I was alone.. so am I negative or positive? can anyone help me?

Perhaps repolarizing, which is a process that takes time and is hard in itself, akin to healing the soul.

I can relate to most of your story except for you visiting non-material realms which is something I am currently working on among other things.

I've also at first had a very strong resonance when contemplating not being positive, which was what I first had assumed I was.

[Cainite]

yes.. I sought god for years in retreat from the mundane world. I found a vampire inside.. now I don't know what to do consciously in response to catalyst. also ppl have been unto me for years now. recently their interest has grown beyond control and I can't even pretend to be a normal human anymore without them getting more suspicious

[Minyatur]

yes.. I sought god for years in retreat from the mundane world. I found a vampire inside.. now I don't know what to do consciously in response to catalyst. also ppl have been unto me for years now. recently their interest has grown beyond control and I can't even pretend to be a normal human anymore without them getting more suspicious

In what way can't you be a normal human anymore?

[Cainite]

in relationships and contacts with other humans. also in body language... my presence can be intense at times or I my movements may look like a statue that has come to life. I walk with a certain rythm that reminds ppl of rituals. girls are drawn to me but they fear me to great extents. a girl may overcome this fear if she has known the younger (less awakened) innocent me. but still they tremble in my presence and become utterly submissive. also no one can control not staring at me without going into a trance. in many ways I am not human..
Elros, thank you for responding.. I'll come back in a few hours