Event, or no event? Which is it? Also, UFO intervention for 2016/2017??

[Infinite Unity]

I to did not get a good feeling from seths material. I read like a page, and did not feel it resonating with me. I put it down to. David Wilcocks best work to me is, The Source Field. I believe Wilcock has good intentions. Hes just a little quick to jump on the train. It seems to me. His work did lead me to the LOO though, and I think him for that. He does look alot like Edgar Cayce, However I never like how he kept bringing that back up alot. I dont know if he is Edgar Cayce, However when one uses it to reinforce ones believe. I dont find it charming.

[Riveroflight]

The first thing to understand is that over 90% of the "information" offered about the UFO/Spirituality issues is funded disinformation.  First time I went to homecoming and saw a beat up pickup truck which said "Jim's Lawn Service" on it, I realized these folks were not disinformers.

As I would see it, the main initial catalyzing event of the transition will be the collapse of Deutsche Bank, which is ongoing now.  Just look at financial websites - it seems very close.  When Deutsche Bank goes, their derivatives book will cause contagion across all the money center banks in the western financial system, and wipe them out too.  You could think of it as Lehman 2.0 with no bailout this time.  Poof, bye, bye all the accounts at those banks.  The Cabal's control will weaken dramatically at that point, but not without considerable challenge to the rest of humanity.

The good guys will come in to start a gold standard up during/after the crash, so that's like event #2.

The NESARA crap that's out there is pure rainbow and unicorn disinformation, but there are good guys out there who are working on behalf of humanity.

The longer term timeframe that Ra talks about refers to getting rid of money altogether and turning society into a truly benevolent society, which will be a rather significant mindset shift that will take years and years to come about.

I think UFO's will be dropping in for a visit only when humanity is truly ready for contact, and there is a lot of the culture that will need to be shifted before that happens.  Then again, Delores Cannon always talked about a "three-way split" of humanity, which might accelerate things if you are on the right side of the split.  That's the type of thing that I don't think we are wired to understand, so my position is to just roll with the punches and keep moving on as best as I can with a smile on my face.

Great reply. Thanks. I'm not surprised that the whole NESARA thing is crap. I should have known. It's just floating all over the place, and lots of it people claim is being channeled directly from the confederation. Sigh.. Even more reason to only look at the channeled works here at L/L Research and stay away from the rest.. The only other works I truly marvel at and agree with every word is from "A course in miracles"..  I believe it to be completely authentic. Also, I'm totally envious that you went to one of these L/L Research homecoming events. How amazing!!!

[Infinite Unity]

I don't think seth is negative. Its just not what I needed. Many here like Seth's teachings

[Infinite Unity]

I want to express my confusion and utter frustration in this whole "Third to fourth" mess here on earth. I apologize in advance, it's been a rough morning for me as I read through some of the more recent newsletters of Light/Lines with L/L Research. So if this message comes across as slightly negatively fueled, just know I may not be in my "right" mind right now. Never mind who I am, it really doesn't matter.

If Jim could reply to this message, I would be immensely grateful for his thoughts.. Though, I am sure he rarely has time to look over the forums.

I will first state I have read all of the Ra books twice over - for me, it was like returning home. The Ra material means a lot to me, more than I can express. I do believe I am intimately related to some of these social memory complexes, and I'm having a terrible time remembering my mission. Okay, I may know it, but I am unable to find a niche within the United States that wants anything to do with my light. It is continuously attacked and always has been - will probably continue to always be so long as I'm occupying this body in this lifetime. It's beyond me how I'm even still here, actually. Life has been nothing short of disappointments in mankind.

Here is my question to those who are also very well versed in the Ra material, or rather, I am opening up a dialogue here. What are every one's thoughts on this?:

We all know that Ra always said the movement into the transformation of fourth density would be like "the striking of the hand on a clock within the hour", or something to that effect. It was repeated a few times over.. And many channeled works have suggested the same. I am now reading through the February 6th, 2016 newsletter channeling meditation session with Q'uo, published by Jim of L/L Research mind you (whom I hear is a blending of two social memory complexes, Latwai of fifth and Ra of sixth, correct?) that this is not meant to be taken literally. That we may be looking at another few generations of 70-80 years (yes, another few, so what 160 years?) for this transformation to complete. Yes yes, I know - the harvest is constantly on-going as consciousnesses who are prepared for such vibrations pass through the gates. But I thought there was suppose to be a true event? I can't help but feel utterly lost and let down by this.. I had really believed through constant visions/contact I have been receiving in the astral realms for four years now, that 2017 may be a big year for transformation. I have also heard from many sources that when third/fourth truly split, like the splitting of a cell through Mitosis you could say, that fourth density beings and third density beings will not be able to physically see each other. Actually, fourth can see third, but third cannot see fourth (physically). I recall Ra speaking on this. In one channeled session by a social memory complex I cannot recall right now, I read that it will look as though entire cities have been wiped off the map to the fourth density graduate. Also, I have heard/read that fourth density beings can only make themselves visible by choice, that is if they wish to be seen. Saint Germain is an example of this. So moving on - though I have days/weeks where I am living in perfect love/harmony/purity with the source field, sometimes feeling ready to ascend out of my own skin the vibration is so high - it doesn't take much for me to hit rock bottom from being utterly let down by mankind. And no, I am not bi-polar or medically depressed. I am unsure if I can tolerate my own existence in the current negatively driven capitalistic monster of a society we have. I have been waiting years for this "event", and now I learn there may never be one.

What is every one's thoughts on this transition/transformation, where we are currently at in the transition, and if or WHEN there will be "an event" that really solidifies the splitting of two experiential/dimensional realities? Maybe there is not suppose to be "an defining event", such as Q'uo seems to be implying in January's 2016 Newsletter?

Oh, and additionally, many channeled sources keep saying that there will be massive intervention soon on the planet, that is within the coming year - to the point we will see UFO's dropping out of the skies and ushering in new light technologies (ONLY intended for soul/consciousness ascension purposes),  and even free MONEY distributed to the peoples of the planet so that they can travel/be with one another. This is only for the purpose of transition so that people can get by while newer more enlightened systems are put into place. These are serious claims - and it appears to be a repeating claim across the board over the spectrum of DOZENS of channeled entities. That's what's shocking. The idea is that people would use this money for nothing more than having the funds to travel or be with the ones they love. Not for material spending sprees.

Has any one been hearing about this? I am in FULL Understanding that there is a lot of disinformation out there, but I am VERY careful about which channeled works I trust. I will state that. Outside of Jim, Don, & Carla's work, there is little channeled works I trust to be authentic. The internet is a terrifying place full of false prophets and false channels, that is for sure.

I do agree that an event could happen, but no one is coming to save us. There is understanding and misunderstanding. Nothing to be saved from. The choice comes down to each individual. What each individual chooses will reflect back into the memory complex, and manifest events that come. Change comes internal to external.

[ScottK]

Great reply. Thanks. I'm not surprised that the whole NESARA thing is crap. I should have known. It's just floating all over the place, and lots of it people claim is being channeled directly from the confederation. Sigh..  Even more reason to only look at the channeled works here at L/L Research and stay away from the rest.. The only other works I truly marvel at and agree with every word is from "A course in miracles"..  I believe it to be completely authentic. Also, I'm totally envious that you went to one of these L/L Research homecoming events. How amazing!!!

I wouldn't throw everything out, but I think the L/L stuff provides an excellent base for your discernment.

Part of the shift to 4th density will be about sovereignty.  Currently, there are so many who have been put in a position to have "authority" over you, and meanwhile, you have no way to question that "authority".  So the solution to this mess will not be to appoint a "nicer guy or gal" to have authority over you.  That's just more of the same.

When someone fixes something for you, then they can claim that you owe them something back.  This is the same notion as striking a deal with the devil.  So any good solution will not involve someone fixing it for you.  Getting help is fine, but having someone do the work for you is not.

That's a key point in my own discernment process, and also probably a way to identify the real good guys when the time comes.

I like Bashar and Cosmic Awareness, and Bix Weir for financial stuff, just FYI, however, to be listened to with discernment - especially Bix sometimes.

[Patrick]

Regarding the Seth Material...Just thought I'd share this bizarre experience.

 
It just means it would not be helpful to you at this time.  Continue following your intuition like that, it will lead you to where you wish to go just now.  We never know, if at some point the Seth material becomes useful to you, you'll feel good about it then.
 

[Patrick]

 
Here is my collection of quotes on the subject of the harvest.  Hope you find some useful to you.
 

...We would suggest that the possibility/probability vortices at this time indicate that each entity to whom we speak shall live out his natural physical life, die a natural death, and then walk the steps of light to see whether he has graduated from third grade or density in this school of souls, or whether he shall have to repeat the grade...

...it is within the self that the transition shall truly occur. That which occurs at harvest is within the self; that which occurs within the planet, although interesting, is a separate subject from the one which might well be considered far more interesting to the self. And that is that it is likely that this lifetime or at the very most, for those who die soon from the physical body, one more lifetime, shall be the last opportunity before graduation to refine the polarity of self to the point at which you the seeker might accept the quality of light which is the native light in fourth density...

...One reason there is no need to fear these changes is that these changes are largely non-physical. As the questioner expressed the question, it was clear that the questioner was aware that they take place in the unseen realms, the inner planes. Therefore, while these changes are absolutely radical and revolutionary, they are not changes that will affect life as you know it on planet Earth. Consensus reality shall reflect only shadows of these changes...

...It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over...

...Eventually, your planet will no longer be able to sustain the evolutionary energy necessary to live a third-density life. Once this has occurred and there are no longer any third-density entities dwelling on the planet, fourth density will indeed become able not only to interpenetrate third density but to appear. At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns...

...we may use an analogy further utilizing the concept of the school with the grades that represent the levels of understanding or densities of experience. In your third-density illusion, each experience is a question—each experience is the same question. There is only one question on this test which you call life. It is reflected in each experience. The question is, “Do you see love in this experience?” In some degree the seeker will see love in each experience; in some degree the seeker will not. As the seeker is able to answer each experience question with an answer that approaches one hundred percent “Yes,” the seeker is polarizing in the positive sense. We may report that the good news of the test is that fifty-one percent is passing. When the seeker is able to answer each answer to a level of fifty-one percent of experiencing and seeing love, the seeker is then of a polarized enough nature to move into the fourth-density grade in the octave of creation that you now experience. The seeker, then, has achieved the minimum polarization that will allow it to withstand the greater intensity of energy available within the fourth-density class.

Without at least the ability to see love in fifty-one percent of one’s perceptions and experiences, the energy available in the fourth-density class would be too much for the circuit of the seeker who had not yet sufficiently regularized or polarized its being in order that its circuits not be blown, shall we say, as the greater intensity of light became the reality for the seeker...

63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

[Riveroflight]

Great reply. Thanks. I'm not surprised that the whole NESARA thing is crap. I should have known. It's just floating all over the place, and lots of it people claim is being channeled directly from the confederation. Sigh..  Even more reason to only look at the channeled works here at L/L Research and stay away from the rest.. The only other works I truly marvel at and agree with every word is from "A course in miracles"..  I believe it to be completely authentic. Also, I'm totally envious that you went to one of these L/L Research homecoming events. How amazing!!!

I wouldn't throw everything out, but I think the L/L stuff provides an excellent base for your discernment.

Part of the shift to 4th density will be about sovereignty.  Currently, there are so many who have been put in a position to have "authority" over you, and meanwhile, you have no way to question that "authority".  So the solution to this mess will not be to appoint a "nicer guy or gal" to have authority over you.  That's just more of the same.

When someone fixes something for you, then they can claim that you owe them something back.  This is the same notion as striking a deal with the devil.  So any good solution will not involve someone fixing it for you.  Getting help is fine, but having someone do the work for you is not.

That's a key point in my own discernment process, and also probably a way to identify the real good guys when the time comes.

I like Bashar and Cosmic Awareness, and Bix Weir for financial stuff, just FYI, however, to be listened to with discernment - especially Bix sometimes.

Hi Scott, though generally I totally agree with all of you've said, there is something known as service for the sake of service where one does not expect anything in return. This is clearly possible and does happen in our universe. Do you think the confederation expects anything in return when they offer their channelings and universal wisdom? So, the idea (and I do mean only an idea, not factual as something that will happen) of extraterrestrial intervention from beings who somewhat (or maybe a lot?) understand this whole ascension ordeal, may not come in the form of them expecting us to pay them back. It isn't always one being being indebted to another. This isn't about "saving the human race" so much is it about not idly standing by as your younger and less wisdom filled brothers eat each other alive. Part of becoming a Christ-consciousness infused being is truly not expecting anything in return when offering help to others. Look at the incredible work Ra has done for us - you can call that slight intervention if you'd like. But what the world is facing now, which is on the brink of WWIII and complete chaos I think many would argue, is in desperate need of help. I would say we definitely need intervention on a massive scale. Our civilization is no longer capable of fixing its own problems, and it won't. From much of the things I've read (if it were true, and that is a big IF obviously), this type of intervention would be merely for the purpose of helping people unlock the potential of their love/higher consciousness potential through light technology in a world that is driven by greed/money/power/capitalism... Again, all hypothetical - I am not claiming it will or won't occur.

As many have stated the obvious, we are all subjected to consciousness-slavery through our delusional systems of capitalism and consumerism (Dr. Steven Greer argues this all the time, I really love his work). The very practice of capitalism, I believe, is a deadening one to our energy centers on the spiritual plane. The ego gets off on it, and so sure, it physically/emotionally feels like a rush to be successful at the things we do in relation to our businesses - but the spirit? Definitely not. This is not the vibration of PURE and true love.. I understand this vibration, if I can so humbly say, and I have learned over the years that people don't want it. They rather spit on it. They (a vast majority of mankind) prefer a sugar coated version wrapped up fish net stockings and lipstick. It's one of the reasons people who are truly in tune with the true vibration of the blue ray chakra are constantly attacked. People cower in the face of pure loving vibration. I have learned that much in my life. Most of what we see in this world is false/fake portrayals of love - not pure loving vibration that has the ability to produce its own light and eventually evolve forward to become a co-creator and unify/merge with other consciousnesses and portions of intelligent energy.

I don't think social memory complexes such as Ra or Q'uo reached the status they are today through superficiality and petty entertainment, selfies, social media, materialism, or technology that is solely being used for addictions/porn/games/mindless activities.. This world is a mess and it DOES need help. I didn't want to get into it earlier with the person who suggested technology has been a "good" thing in today's 21st century. No, no it hasn't. I'm 31 (though I know I don't look it), and I have spent a lot of time around youngsters being a teacher's aid and tutor through out my 20's. What I have witnessed is appalling, and it is all due to technology. Younger generations are not opening up to this vibration - they are deadened to it as they peer down at their Angry Bird Apps, some looking at porn at the age of 12 and younger while in school on their cell phones between breaks, many updating instagram/twitter with self-absorbed sexy selfies, and on and on and on. These newer generations are completely full of narcissism. I live on the ocean and go hiking daily - when I see younger people 18 and younger on the trails (the generation of social media), they are tunnel visioned staring down at their phones almost running into trees. Amongst all the purity of second density which is so deeply connected to the pure vibrations of God, they are in completely lost in the illusion of self-obsession and mindless techie activities. Technology is not the gateway to ascension my friends, not unless its the "light technology" we have all read about possessed by some of the more advanced civilizations. Even Ra speaks about how these technologies were abused by the Egyptians, and what a failure it was to try to share these ascension/consciousness boosting (enhancing) technologies with us. I seriously doubt we're even ready for it today. Am I saying we are doomed as a civilization? Yes, without intervention we are. Are we capable of more? Sure, of course we are. But it would take an event large enough and traumatic enough to SHOCK this world and wake it up. Otherwise, I know in my heart what we are headed towards as a civilization. In the end, it really doesn't matter since all things in the universe are temporary and transformation will occur one way or the other. But I am saddened and deeply disappointed with those who are unwilling to do what it takes in THIS lifetime to be amongst the few who will graduate into fourth. I guess if 98% of this world wants to repeat the third density in another sphere of existence - so be it.  I truly stand by that analysis. I actually rooted and cheered when I heard about the Facebook satellite being blown up (A UFO can be seen flying in the background, not surprisingly. I don't think it was a bird. You'd have to be kidding yourself to say it was a natural phenomenon or bird that sped across the background at the exact moment of the explosion, and later, it shot out at a diagonal path moving out from corner to corner). Granted, I know there was also an Israeli satellite on there as well. Clearly, things are going on we the public are not aware of here. Intervention may have already begun without our knowledge of it.

[Riveroflight]

I updated the above thread at 8:55am, as I wanted to also throw in my experience as a teacher's aid in the past and what I have observed. Just noting -

[Riveroflight]

Modified one more time at 9:16AM - please read updated version.

[Riveroflight]

And by the way, the fourth density positive reality (once the transformation is complete, whenever that is) will NOT be about "sovereignty", it will be about unification and the combining of minds. It is the beginnings of minds combining, not obsession with separation and personal identification of one governing oneself. Faith in love, and faith in others is the key. This is a vibration that enhances Mergence, I repeat, not separation.

[rva_jeremy]

And by the way, the fourth density positive reality (once the transformation is complete, whenever that is) will NOT be about "sovereignty", it will be about unification and the combining of minds. It is the beginnings of minds combining, not obsession with separation and personal identification of one governing oneself. Faith in love, and faith in others is the key. This is a vibration that enhances Mergence, I repeat, not separation.

I agree with this, but another way of looking at it is that you can't have genuine unity without it being voluntary.  Some people argue that capitalist globalism is "bringing the world together" and uniting us, but clearly that's a kind of "unity" that stifles us and removes us from authentic participation as individual, unique Creators.  It makes unity about achieving some particular end rather than for its own sake, for the sake of all of us.

The thing is, in some sense I think you do need to achieve individual sovereignty if for no other reason than to release it.  Otherwise, you cannot make the choice to contribute to the whole in the unique way that only you can.  And true union is only powerful because it draws upon all of our unique characteristics, not simply because it brings us under one roof.  Turning people into homogenous units that can be easily aggregated is the kind of unity capitalism (and state socialism, for that matter) always attempts because it elevates unity over the appreciation that the whole, in order to be whole, has to have all of the parts in order to not have holes in it.

If this outlook interests you, I expanded upon it in my Homecoming 2008 essay.

[Riveroflight]

And by the way, the fourth density positive reality (once the transformation is complete, whenever that is) will NOT be about "sovereignty", it will be about unification and the combining of minds. It is the beginnings of minds combining, not obsession with separation and personal identification of one governing oneself. Faith in love, and faith in others is the key. This is a vibration that enhances Mergence, I repeat, not separation.

I agree with this, but another way of looking at it is that you can't have genuine unity without it being voluntary.  Some people argue that capitalist globalism is "bringing the world together" and uniting us, but clearly that's a kind of "unity" that stifles us and removes us from authentic participation as individual, unique Creators.  It makes unity about achieving some particular end rather than for its own sake, for the sake of all of us.

The thing is, in some sense I think you do need to achieve individual sovereignty if for no other reason than to release it.  Otherwise, you cannot make the choice to contribute to the whole in the unique way that only you can.  And true union is only powerful because it draws upon all of our unique characteristics, not simply because it brings us under one roof.  Turning people into homogenous units that can be easily aggregated is the kind of unity capitalism (and state socialism, for that matter) always attempts because it elevates unity over the appreciation that the whole, in order to be whole, has to have all of the parts in order to not have holes in it.

If this outlook interests you, I expanded upon it in my Homecoming 2008 essay.

Great observation, and I am on the same wave length as you here. There definitely has to be an experimentation with soverignty before one can open to the higher concepts of mergence. I think I came into this life already with a fourth-density activated body. This is why I speak so passionately about the true vibration of love and not the false portrayals of it we see in our world today. And I am in disarray at how often I see people cower in the face of pure vibration. By the time I was 12, I had seen 100's of visions of my past lives (with no exaggeration). It was nothing less than torture because no one understood and passed it off as 'imagination'. It wasn't. I was fully awakened with this. In my 20's, my third eye bursted open to universal astral traveling and I've visited places I think I use to be fully entangled with before I landed here for a handful of lives. It isn't something I had to "learn" (having visions and astral traveling), because I feel (actually i know) that it was earned over the lifetimes and was a skill I hadn't lost. Even if I can't remember all of my lives. I can remember a handful clearly and fully..

Concerning capitalism and money (remember, RA states that the reason they were able to ascend so quickly was that their third density reality didn't have a money system) - the issue is that it involves a level of manipulation over other minds, always. I don't care what one does to make a living - it involves manipulation. And when that is being practiced, the vibration that manipulation holds in order to make a sale or sell a product (even scientists are guilty of this), it essentially ruins the purity of loving vibration. Then the potential of activating fourth density skills are lost. Of course, I do remember Ra saying the rare circumstance of an ascended negatively oriented fourth dimensional being that can emerge through the indigo ray spinning brightly and fiercely. Apparently, one can completely lack the loving (creative forces) of the vibration of the blue ray chakra and still ascend. A bit scary. But, it's just "the creator experiencing itself", I have to remember. So there is no right or wrong here.. But worth the discussion.

[Riveroflight]

And by the way, the fourth density positive reality (once the transformation is complete, whenever that is) will NOT be about "sovereignty", it will be about unification and the combining of minds. It is the beginnings of minds combining, not obsession with separation and personal identification of one governing oneself. Faith in love, and faith in others is the key. This is a vibration that enhances Mergence, I repeat, not separation.

I agree with this, but another way of looking at it is that you can't have genuine unity without it being voluntary.  Some people argue that capitalist globalism is "bringing the world together" and uniting us, but clearly that's a kind of "unity" that stifles us and removes us from authentic participation as individual, unique Creators.  It makes unity about achieving some particular end rather than for its own sake, for the sake of all of us.

The thing is, in some sense I think you do need to achieve individual sovereignty if for no other reason than to release it.  Otherwise, you cannot make the choice to contribute to the whole in the unique way that only you can.  And true union is only powerful because it draws upon all of our unique characteristics, not simply because it brings us under one roof.  Turning people into homogenous units that can be easily aggregated is the kind of unity capitalism (and state socialism, for that matter) always attempts because it elevates unity over the appreciation that the whole, in order to be whole, has to have all of the parts in order to not have holes in it.

If this outlook interests you, I expanded upon it in my Homecoming 2008 essay.

I think you are on the right track, but my opinion (or actually I would go as far as to say I'm channeling this), is that true union isn't just "practical" out of some sociological concept of Functionalism (missing pieces needing to be filled in, and what not)... It is the only truth, and its all there ever was in the beginning. It is the only truth because we all were present, we were all there, every one of us was part of the original extension from the original thought. The way it did this was through the loving vibration. A vibration so intense we could scarcely imagine it in these third density bodies. It sounds simplistic, but its the truth. I have found myself at the center of galaxies a few times, in travel.. I have felt what they feel while they are spinning their arms of radiance. It is an ecstasy so intense, that all you understand is extension/radiance/giving birth, and nothing else. There is no identity, self, or names in this place. I had no name, and knew not who I was nor any memory of my life (or any lifetimes) here while I returned to this state temporarily. I only knew I was the energy of the center of the galaxy.. I could never replicate this vibration in my awake state or in this vehicle. As mentioned before on the previous page, I almost died from this travel. It is our destiny, all of us, to return to this intense vibration of extension. Mergence and unification, where minds actually become one in a social memory complex for example, is considered (stated by Ra actually) to be a fuller expression of the source field (or God, whatever term people want); this phenomenon is possible/occurs because it is the natural state of God, a state of being being remembered by a group of individuals tossing their identity to the wind to merge and become a larger whole. So when Ra, Q'ou, or other social memory complexes formed - it was because they were evolving to a point they could remember BEING the one, being the source field itself, and being God. This that 'beingness' so many entities are trying to teach us is possible. We are all in love with one another more than we know because we started with one as one, and we will return to the one in time. We just hide and run from it through distractions and false portrayals of perversions (wrongly called love) in our society. And its those lies we tell ourselves, our egos tell us, that is keeping us separated.

[Riveroflight]

 
Here is my collection of quotes on the subject of the harvest.  Hope you find some useful to you.
 

I very much enjoyed these quotes.. Again, I'm thrilled to become familiarized with Q'uo after all my dedication to the Ra Material and to realize there is still a way to hear from Ra. I noticed one passage mentioned that fourth density at a certain point in the process can and will choose NOT to appear, and keeps its energies unseen so as to allow the rest of third density to finish up its patterns. So I guess that answers my pondering whether or not it will truly come to that (the split).

[rva_jeremy]

I think this Ra quote is useful to consider in light of recognizing the conflicting priorities of unity and separation:

If you will penetrate the nature of the first distortion in its application of self knowing self, you may begin to distinguish the hallmark of an Infinite Creator, variety. Were there no potentials for misunderstanding and, therefore, understanding, there would be no experience.

Experience seems to hold a primacy for the Creator, though it leads to some dark shades in the portrait indeed.  I've been trying to express gratitude for all of my subjective hardships and suffering because Confederation sources tend to emphasize this as a way to let experience filter down to the roots of mind and be grounded there for the benefit of the One.

In light of the experiences you've related, which seem to have as their theme a grasp of the nature of true reality but some trouble in reconciling this with otherselves at times (forgive me if I've misconstrued it), I read this Q'uo session this morning and it seemed relevant:

Certainly, most of the solid, serious work of spiritual evolution is done with conscious intention. But for the most part, in terms of the content and the substance of the work done, that work is done below the level of consciousness, fed by the intention as if the root or source of the stream were within the mental/emotional/spiritual worlds, shall we say, but springing forth into the life in terms of experience, intuition, dream content and so forth. Consequently there seem to be fountains of events of a certain type that periodically or perhaps constantly just keep coming, keep springing forth. And together with those sprays of the water of catalyst come sprays of the minerals within that water which are emotions connected with the events that are occurring, so that as you, as a soul, are flowering, these rains of catalyst and emotion come to feed the fertile soil of your learning. You have every opportunity to grow that crop of knowing, that crop of realization, what this instrument would call “grokking,” that these themes that spiral again and again into the life experience help one to explore.

Let us take a step back now from this query and look at the entity that each of you is and how that entity experiences, or experiences not, what it sees, and stores in memory. Neither the present nor the past is in the kind of sharp focus that they seem to be within the physical illusion. The one known as D has pointed out that we do not see with our eyes nor do we hear with our ears. Rather, there is a kind of composite that is made up largely of pre-assumed vision, which fills in the background of most entity’s organs of awareness [1]. But one is not seeing it clearly, indeed one may not notice a great deal of what one is gazing at because of the way the mind receives data and forms it into a picture.

The structure of memory, similarly, is such that the true memory is being harvested to the soul quality essence or higher self of each entity and only the shadow of the experience, or shall we say a copy of the data, remains within the biocomputer of the mind. Consequently, much that floods the awareness is the result of poor or actually incorrect information. Therefore, the task of untangling one’s organs of awareness from pre-assumption is a difficult one, a lifelong one, and one that cannot be done without help.

We encourage each in this wise, then, to pursue those resources that will aid in allowing the mind to reassess each pre-assumption that can be found within the mind, assessing it anew for its accuracy, its place within the value system which you enjoy and so forth, giving the self the chance to look anew at all of those things which you are quite sure you have gazed at already and concerning which, [you have] come to a settled opinion. Always, there is new truth for you in situations which are puzzling you. Always, there is a great deal of fertile growth which may occur rather quickly in understanding a certain structure which is puzzling, such as the challenge of the childrearing about which the one known as M was speaking.

(my emphasis)

So keep in mind that your subjective experience of consensus reality is one that probably isn't even accurate in the first place.  You have resources to retrain where you focus and how you use and react to your experiences.  In fact, you seem to have even more resources than most of us given your spiritual experiences.

[Riveroflight]

If you will penetrate the nature of the first distortion in its application of self knowing self, you may begin to distinguish the hallmark of an Infinite Creator, variety. Were there no potentials for misunderstanding and, therefore, understanding, there would be no experience.

I fully acknowledge that I experience distortions as every one else here - but my travels and visions - especially that of returning to original states of being, the confederation itself at the entrance of the Saturn rings, or the Blue lodges of Sirius - those I believe are not distortions. Most of the places I've been I was only able to confirm years later through the Ra material actually. They were things I had no knowledge of before I read about them. Traveling came naturally to me early on in life, and so did past life memories. There is also such thing as channeling truth and sharing it, which I have offered. I think I feel Ra's frustration when they say "The nearly impossible task of teaching". Often times, I am channeling as I write and I do believe that. I have made many important points that are easy to ignore and not address directly, and its easier to dodge around them and use quotations. But none the less I thank you for posting more truth from our elder brothers.

[Riveroflight]

I guess I will repeat this:

"Concerning capitalism and money (remember, Ra states that the reason they were able to ascend so quickly was that their third density reality didn't have a money system) - the issue is that it involves a level of manipulation over other minds, always. I don't care what one does to make a living - it involves manipulation. And when that is being practiced, the vibration that manipulation holds in order to make a sale or sell a product (even scientists are guilty of this), it essentially ruins the purity of loving vibration. Then the potential of activating fourth density skills are lost. Of course, I do remember Ra saying the rare circumstance of an ascended negatively oriented fourth dimensional being that can emerge through the indigo ray spinning brightly and fiercely. Apparently, one can completely lack the loving (creative forces) of the vibration of the blue ray chakra and still ascend. A bit scary. But, it's just "the creator experiencing itself", I have to remember. So there is no right or wrong here.. But worth the discussion. "

and

"
I think you are on the right track, but my opinion (or actually I would go as far as to say I'm channeling this), is that true union isn't just "practical" out of some sociological concept of Functionalism (missing pieces needing to be filled in, and what not)... It is the only truth, and its all there ever was in the beginning. It is the only truth because we all were present, we were all there, every one of us was part of the original extension from the original thought. The way it did this was through the loving vibration. A vibration so intense we could scarcely imagine it in these third density bodies. It sounds simplistic, but its the truth. I have found myself at the center of galaxies a few times, in travel.. I have felt what they feel while they are spinning their arms of radiance. It is an ecstasy so intense, that all you understand is extension/radiance/giving birth, and nothing else. There is no identity, self, or names in this place. I had no name, and knew not who I was nor any memory of my life (or any lifetimes) here while I returned to this state temporarily. I only knew I was the energy of the center of the galaxy.. I could never replicate this vibration in my awake state or in this vehicle. As mentioned before on the previous page, I almost died from this travel. It is our destiny, all of us, to return to this intense vibration of extension. Mergence and unification, where minds actually become one in a social memory complex for example, is considered (stated by Ra actually) to be a fuller expression of the source field (or God, whatever term people want); this phenomenon is possible/occurs because it is the natural state of God, a state of being being remembered by a group of individuals tossing their identity to the wind to merge and become a larger whole. So when Ra, Q'ou, or other social memory complexes formed - it was because they were evolving to a point they could remember BEING the one, being the source field itself, and being God. This that 'beingness' so many entities are trying to teach us is possible. We are all in love with one another more than we know because we started with one as one, and we will return to the one in time. We just hide and run from it through distractions and false portrayals of perversions (wrongly called love) in our society. And its those lies we tell ourselves, our egos tell us, that is keeping us separated. "

That is truth, not a distortion. Nor is much of what I have said thus far. I'm not interested in talking about distortions (though I certainly have them when engaging in childish third density games of money/career/college). Some things (key word: some) can be known if we are ready for it. Distortions bore me. So, throwing a quote at me reminding me that my sharing truth is a distortion, is weak and a way of dis-crediting some one who is offering wisdom to you.. I think these are conversations worth having.

[Infinite Unity]

I agree most of the things introduced through monetary systems is a little retarding to the spiritual process. However at the same token a great degree of diversity exist because of it. I agree people should not work there lives away, however I do see that work is required. The more in unity we work, the easier all hardships would become. I understand your frustration at 3rd density life, however as I am sure your aware. Third density is that density of socialism. It is a group of entities, that have knowledge of self. That self exists. I agree when Ra says, that third density social constructs will come to be seen as insufficient, no manner the order of configuration. Not his words specifically but I cant find the quote. I to understand your frustrations with the social construct. I dont wish to spend all day working, or worrying about paying the bills. So I dont, I hold onto that love as good as I can. I fall off the pony ALOT! However I jump right back on it. Only thing I know how to do honestly.

[isis]

just because something is across the board does not mean it's true, I suppose the best way to figure it out is ask what does your heart feel?

Not the blissed out heart the heart that is able to face anger, shame and fear with the same love.

My intuition believes there will be an event.
But we shall see.

mine too

[Infinite Unity]

mine as well.

[AnthroHeart]

Practically every moment is a new event for me. I've got a lot of magical realizations.

[Infinite Unity]

very good indigo! havent talked to you in awhile directly brother. How have you been? If you cant remember who I am. I am Indigo_light, I_Am_The_One. Where previous names. I am very glad to hear magic is greeting you at each moment. September has been very good for me, I have dropped alot of negativity, and getting real traction on the positive path!

[AnthroHeart]

I've been trying to use The Secret but it's not been working out for me. And I've focused so much on what I want that I've gotten sick to my stomach.

[Infinite Unity]

I am sorry to hear that your tummy hurts brother. I have no advice for your wild self. I do love you though. How is your 3rd density life? Is your mom still a major catalyst? Still have the same job? I believe it was at a bank last I knew. Any relationships poppin up on the map? Pm if you want. I dont wish to derail the thread.

[Steppingfeet]

So as I see it, this isn't "stagnation;" it's the fundamental friction being caused by our brave new interconnected world being so alien to many people over the age of 40 or 50 that they simply have a hard time dealing with it.  I think this is the main reason we're seeing a rise in so many reactionary, far-right, and often violent groups.  They're terrified by the world they see around them, so unlike what they were raised to expect from the world, and are lashing out... except without even clear targets to fight.

I always enjoy your historical perspective.

The rise in "reactionary, far-right, and often violent groups" is a global phenomenon, it seems. I concur that it is fear underlying and motivating that rise, whether fear of change, fear of traditions coming apart, fear of old orders and boundaries dissolving, fear of new technologies, fear of more inclusive and diverse societies, fear of more immediate contact with otherness, and so forth.

Yet I can't help but to link this thought:

17.1 Ra: There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Not drawing an equivalency here, just noting that there may be a connection between the two.

I love the words "short run" in Ra's statement . . . though the length of "short" to Ra and to the human mind may be vastly different.

A similar thought Q'uo echoes here:

Q'uo: Realize my friends that the free will of your planet is most difficult to predict for there are forces moving from ancient of days that would work against such harvest, those entities of a darker variety which seek in their own manner to be harvested by controlling the light of this harvest. And yet they shall fail, for the legions of the service-to-self entities will have only a short day where they shall reign supreme and then their day shall be over, and the light shall shine, and the harvest shall be complete. And those who seek service to others shall find a new fourth density home upon this planet, for this planet shall be a fourth-density positive planet, even with all the seeming darkness, strife, wars, control and negativity that have plagued this planet for thousands of your years.

Thus you may see that though there are difficulties ahead, the difficulties shall be surmounted. All compassionate love shall find not only its day, but its cycle upon this planet, and this planet shall be as bright as a star in the heavens of a new creation.


Hope that gives the OP hope.

I think one of the things I've changed in my approach to these matters since I studied Wilcock's work is the emphasis on material phenomena.  On the one hand, I think there's plenty of visible craziness in the world equal to the conclusion that we're in absolutely unprecedented times.  On the other hand, none of that is supposed to have significance in and of itself--it is instead mere epiphenomena of a deeper process.  That deeper process is what's going on with our mind/body/spirit complexes, much of which we don't see.  And that's why radiating love/light is so important: because the degree to which our conscious selves participate in the details of transformation is kind of impossible for most to really perceive.

Hear hear.

65.17 Ra: Let us attempt to speak upon this interesting subject. In your space/time you and your peoples are the parents of that which is in the womb. The Earth, as you call it, is ready to be born and the delivery is not going smoothly. When this entity has become born it will be instinct with the social memory complex of its parents which have become fourth-density positive. In this density there is a broader view.

63.8 Ra: The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth density upon this plane.

[ricdaw]

It is our destiny, all of us, to return to this intense vibration of extension. Mergence and unification, where minds actually become one in a social memory complex for example, is considered (stated by Ra actually) to be a fuller expression of the source field (or God, whatever term people want); this phenomenon is possible/occurs because it is the natural state of God, a state of being being remembered by a group of individuals tossing their identity to the wind to merge and become a larger whole. So when Ra, Q'ou, or other social memory complexes formed - it was because they were evolving to a point they could remember BEING the one, being the source field itself, and being God. This that 'beingness' so many entities are trying to teach us is possible. We are all in love with one another more than we know because we started with one as one, and we will return to the one in time. We just hide and run from it through distractions and false portrayals of perversions (wrongly called love) in our society. And its those lies we tell ourselves, our egos tell us, that is keeping us separated."

I wonder if I am a minority here, because this idea of unification (or, if you will, reunification) with god, and its lessor cousin "mergence and unification" into a social memory complex is decidedly . . . unattractive to me. The Original Thought is still expanding, and I want to ride that wave some more.

If I am a Wanderer, that could (partially) explain why I decided to come back to the 3rd dimensional experience.

If I am not a Wanderer, I wonder if that (non-unification) desire will impact either my harvestability, or my choice to accept graduation if harvestable.

Are you-all keen on joining together in a social memory complex?

[Minyatur]

I wonder if I am a minority here, because this idea of unification (or, if you will, reunification) with god, and its lessor cousin "mergence and unification" into a social memory complex is decidedly . . .  unattractive to me.  The Original Thought is still expanding, and I want to ride that wave some more.

If I am a Wanderer, that could (partially) explain why I decided to come back to the 3rd dimensional experience.

If I am not a Wanderer, I wonder if that (non-unification) desire will impact either my harvestability, or my choice to accept graduation if harvestable.

Are you-all keen on joining together in a social memory complex?

This has been a reoccuring theme for me in my thoughts and discussions.

I don't think you are ever bound to a social memory complex. I resonate more with the idea of having been part of many of them across various places and different times exploring myself with and without them. I think you can really just move across densities with any one you resonate enough with to enter near the moment of their harvest.

Still, I think we have a "fated" 7D group from which we split apart to find each other at different steps of our path throughout the octave. Each of us is meant to have a different fate to bring something unique to the group, which is ever evolving at each separation/unification. And ultimately all rejoin to the One and you see that All is the object of your infinite love.

[rva_jeremy]

Are you-all keen on joining together in a social memory complex?

I remember once talking to a mother who had taken her child to a spiritual healer. The child had a condition that was basically going to hamper her for her entire life, I don't remember exactly what. But when the healer said the child had chosen it, the mother was incredibly offended. I knew nerves were too frayed at the time to challenge her, but I remember thinking at the time, "the child you know is not exactly the same personality as the child's higher self who did the choosing!" The point is not to blame the child and say she chose it; the point is to respect the mystery that incarnation and our status as co-Creators represents.

It's the same here. The "me" I'm channeling in this life is unique, irreplaceable, and infinitely valuable. But it's only a part, or a projection, of a bigger "me" that is transiting from unity to separation to unity. That bigger "me" is probably pretty interested in social memory. To expect my desires as an incarnate entity to align with that greater self is to probably expect more from the vehicle of my ego than its designed to provide.

Just my 2 cents--and don't get me wrong, I still have thoughts like this! But I try not to dwell on them because every time I spend effort on them, I end up at the same place.

[0s1r1s]

A little late to the party. I think what we're supposed to take away from what is presently happening is whatever that is required as a catalyst for growth. Growth hurts, it doesn't happen without pain or struggle. @Riveroflight I would venture to say you are rapidly remediating Karma, have you used past life, crystalline, location, birth trauma, or Golden reiki? Its all flavors of oneness but my sessions with people both in attunement and service have been that when we consider the many elements that incorporate our mind/body/spirit complex the subconscious binds tend to be the thing sucking the light out, in a wasted manner. I have made a sphere of light available to you with all these energies in abundance. Should you wish to call upon it (for that matter anyone who reads this post and needs the energies) the energies are yours for the purposes of integration, restoration and transmutation.

En' Lakesh

I want to express my confusion and utter frustration in this whole "Third to fourth" mess here on earth. I apologize in advance, it's been a rough morning for me as I read through some of the more recent newsletters of Light/Lines with L/L Research. So if this message comes across as slightly negatively fueled, just know I may not be in my "right" mind right now. Never mind who I am, it really doesn't matter.

If Jim could reply to this message, I would be immensely grateful for his thoughts.. Though, I am sure he rarely has time to look over the forums.

I will first state I have read all of the Ra books twice over - for me, it was like returning home. The Ra material means a lot to me, more than I can express. I do believe I am intimately related to some of these social memory complexes, and I'm having a terrible time remembering my mission. Okay, I may know it, but I am unable to find a niche within the United States that wants anything to do with my light. It is continuously attacked and always has been - will probably continue to always be so long as I'm occupying this body in this lifetime. It's beyond me how I'm even still here, actually. Life has been nothing short of disappointments in mankind.

Here is my question to those who are also very well versed in the Ra material, or rather, I am opening up a dialogue here. What are every one's thoughts on this?:

We all know that Ra always said the movement into the transformation of fourth density would be like "the striking of the hand on a clock within the hour", or something to that effect. It was repeated a few times over.. And many channeled works have suggested the same. I am now reading through the February 6th, 2016 newsletter channeling meditation session with Q'uo, published by Jim of L/L Research mind you (whom I hear is a blending of two social memory complexes, Latwai of fifth and Ra of sixth, correct?) that this is not meant to be taken literally. That we may be looking at another few generations of 70-80 years (yes, another few, so what 160 years?) for this transformation to complete. Yes yes, I know - the harvest is constantly on-going as consciousnesses who are prepared for such vibrations pass through the gates. But I thought there was suppose to be a true event? I can't help but feel utterly lost and let down by this.. I had really believed through constant visions/contact I have been receiving in the astral realms for four years now, that 2017 may be a big year for transformation. I have also heard from many sources that when third/fourth truly split, like the splitting of a cell through Mitosis you could say, that fourth density beings and third density beings will not be able to physically see each other. Actually, fourth can see third, but third cannot see fourth (physically). I recall Ra speaking on this. In one channeled session by a social memory complex I cannot recall right now, I read that it will look as though entire cities have been wiped off the map to the fourth density graduate. Also, I have heard/read that fourth density beings can only make themselves visible by choice, that is if they wish to be seen. Saint Germain is an example of this. So moving on - though I have days/weeks where I am living in perfect love/harmony/purity with the source field, sometimes feeling ready to ascend out of my own skin the vibration is so high - it doesn't take much for me to hit rock bottom from being utterly let down by mankind. And no, I am not bi-polar or medically depressed. I am unsure if I can tolerate my own existence in the current negatively driven capitalistic monster of a society we have. I have been waiting years for this "event", and now I learn there may never be one.

What is every one's thoughts on this transition/transformation, where we are currently at in the transition, and if or WHEN there will be "an event" that really solidifies the splitting of two experiential/dimensional realities? Maybe there is not suppose to be "an defining event", such as Q'uo seems to be implying in January's 2016 Newsletter?

Oh, and additionally, many channeled sources keep saying that there will be massive intervention soon on the planet, that is within the coming year - to the point we will see UFO's dropping out of the skies and ushering in new light technologies (ONLY intended for soul/consciousness ascension purposes),  and even free MONEY distributed to the peoples of the planet so that they can travel/be with one another. This is only for the purpose of transition so that people can get by while newer more enlightened systems are put into place. These are serious claims - and it appears to be a repeating claim across the board over the spectrum of DOZENS of channeled entities. That's what's shocking. The idea is that people would use this money for nothing more than having the funds to travel or be with the ones they love. Not for material spending sprees.

Has any one been hearing about this? I am in FULL Understanding that there is a lot of disinformation out there, but I am VERY careful about which channeled works I trust. I will state that. Outside of Jim, Don, & Carla's work, there is little channeled works I trust to be authentic. The internet is a terrifying place full of false prophets and false channels, that is for sure.