Negative Polarity & BDSM

[octavia]

And it's important to understand that "kinks" are not so much things that we designed consciously for ourselves as things that kind of happened to us, from our impressionable moments in incarnation.

I just feel that letting distortions of this extremely powerful, magical act fall away as we become aware of them seems like a good goal to have.

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

[Nicholas]

And it's important to understand that "kinks" are not so much things that we designed consciously for ourselves as things that kind of happened to us, from our impressionable moments in incarnation.

I just feel that letting distortions of this extremely powerful, magical act fall away as we become aware of them seems like a good goal to have.

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

I think acknowledging the desire as a valid aspect of ourselves would be the first step to disentangling it.

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.


The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

Like Diana, I very much appreciate reaper's sharing here, more because I identified with the intensification aspect. From as young as 9 I was infatuated with horror films, and being born in the 70's there was a great and varied choice in s*** your pants stuff out there. The nightmares I had merely exacerbated my obsession, but it reached a point of saturation where the emotion of fear became all but exhausted. 

I feel this topic falls heavily into the cultural/planetary mind aspect, and I have exposed myself as not being quite ready to fully understand/accept it. And here is why...

When I looked up BDSM and clicked on the imagery link (notice I did not gravitate to the wiki link further down), I became momentarily aroused. Then a sense of shame enveloped me as I continued to watch a handcuffed female with a golf ball in her mouth try to escape from the handcuffs. Then I came back here and made a bigoted statement, using a Ra quote for back up. Hmmm?

So going back to your question, for me at least, it begins with opening up a little more and moralising a little less. Only in sharing can we flesh out these unexplored avenues of fear and desire.

Ra said: ...we cannot plumb the depths of the distortion complexes which infect your peoples.


It's a train wreck worth exploring if you ask me 

[Reaper]

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

In my experience, being able to fully acknowledge that these triggers of arousal are there, without shame, is the most important and, strangely, most difficult step. If an individual is, for example, turned on by something they don't want to be turned on by, the usual response is to simply repress or deny what is experienced, or to view it from an uncomfortable, oblique angle without actually touching it. This usually serves to intensify the trigger instead of alleviating it. 

For a long time I was very ashamed of my sexual preferences (bondage), and simply tried to pretend they weren't there. I looked into a million other ways of sexually expressing myself, trying to just replace the desires, but in the end I always wound up back in the same place, usually feeling very guilty, which only deepened the tangle of sexual blockages I was rapidly accumulating. Now I couldn't enjoy any form of sex, because my enjoyment itself felt wrong and I was subconsciously telling myself that I didn't enjoy sex in an attempt to balance the "wrong". Frankly, it was an awful experience.

Learning to view myself as I was, with the intention of honesty instead of the intention to change myself, helped tremendously in unraveling that knot. It was like shrugging off a huge burden, staring into that closet without the "...but I'm going to fix it" mentality. A lot of processes naturally balanced themselves from that alone, and I became a lot less neurotic in my views on sex. Seeking truth trumps seeking perfection every time in my book.

I, personally, in the end, decided that I cared far less about what is balancing and polarizing according to someone else's standards, and far more about what makes me feel like a healthy and capable individual, and I just pursued that. My behavior regarding these specific desires didn't change that much at all, only the thought I attached to the behavior. In other cases, once the cause is viewed honestly and understood, it can be seen as unnecessary and the desire will simply depart. This is something I've experienced in an unrelated instance involving the desire to be with more than one partner. After fully understanding everything that formed and sustained that desire, I just didn't want it anymore. Regardless of further work and outcome, however, I feel that self honesty is the crux of personal growth. 

[Sacred Fool]

Reaper-baby, I hope you'll forgive me for asking this, but I'm wondering if what you're discussing here might somehow be tied in (as it were) to your predilection for gourmet baloney sandwiches?  That is, perhaps you have an adventuresome in-born passion for entering into complex paradoxes and endeavoring to disentangle them?  Sounds to me like a worthy offering to the Creator.

[Minyatur]

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

Might be a bit generic, but to go to the root of the matter wihin yourself is how you disentangle distortions.

[Jade]

I think the important points have been hit on. The problem when we discuss things like blockages, is that when people see that in a part of themselves, they often feel guilty. This causes repression/denial/justification. If you can find it within yourself to accept and love yourself, without judgement, without guilt, this opens the door to healing. It's an important step in the process of working in consciousness to be able to use discernment without judgement. You can have a preference for a thing or way of being, and have no judgement about it.

The second mental discipline is acceptance of the completeness within your consciousness. It is not for a being of polarity in the physical consciousness to pick and choose among attributes, thus building the roles that cause blockages and confusions in the already-distorted mind complex. Each acceptance smoothes part of the many distortions that the faculty you call judgment engenders.

So, what is needed is acceptance and the fluidity to accept a constantly changing self. Setting one's intentions to allow distortions to fall away, and to embrace the new self that emerges each day and not be attached to the identity of the old selves.

I almost began speaking of the Transformation of the Body, but then I realized, per Ra, we are very specifically not talking about the body but the mind. The positive Transformation of the Mind, then, is to go forth and court it. In fact, the Transformation of the Mind is quite a literal picture of what we've been talking about. How do you see the use of the resources of yourself/your partners during sex? Are they something to plunder/be plundered, or are they something to treat with gentle, delicate efforts, like a fragile bloom? How does a butterfly make love to a flower?

"It is not for a being of polarity ... to choose" seems to refer to the gentleman's closed eyes. His choice is to blindly follow the path that lays before him, as a being of polarity. This involves a dedication to that path. Acceptance is an act of faith, faith that our being in the moment is perfect and complete as it is. This allows us vibrational connection to our "more perfect", Higher selves, which can then offer a reprogramming as a function of faith, if the lesson has truly been learned and integrated well enough.

[YinYang]

This no judgement thing was probably one of the biggest leaps I've taken in my spiritual journey, it frees oneself. It's like throwing off shackles. We can be quite hard on ourselves, and it's so counterproductive. I consider self-judgement one of the biggest obstacles, and the resulting guilt that accompanies it.

[Minyatur]

More than whether it's good or bad, I think it's a matter of whether it's healthy or not, and that is personal to each. If you keep feeling concerns, shame or doubts about what you're doing, then this hints toward a need of an introspection of yourself and why you do/like the things that you do/like. Also since this is something you do with others, you need to be considerate of why your partner likes what it likes and whether you are helping them or not by indulging in their distortions, or by making someone indulge in your own distortions.

In the case of something like this, it probably almost always hint toward something that needs to heal within the self (on both ends of a BDSM relationship). I think to be actually done in a healthy manner requires a soul mate you truly resonate with, an unshakable perception and feeling of the other being your equal, to not be the whole of how it's like between you and the other person and instead a temporary explored state that always go back to a positive focus and feelings toward your partner.

Are they something to plunder/be plundered, or are they something to treat with gentle, delicate efforts, like a fragile bloom?

I think this mentality misses on something. People are not either a plunderable prostitute or an overly fragile flowers that needs constant extra care. The Creator adapts and evolves and forever becomes stronger from it's experiences. Once it moves beyond having been a fragile flower that needed extra care, whether because it grows tired of receiving that or because it experienced a lack of it, then it is something other that needs to be seen as such.

There's just so many people that would just tell you to f*** off if you went to them treating them like a delicate flower. Why? Because they aren't a delicate flower and don't want to be treated as such. Not talking about a case where compassion hurts the other-self because of emotional wounds, just that they really don't see themselves as a delicate flower, which is, to some extent, a self-disempowering view of the self.

[Riveroflight]

Hi,

I wanted to ask a question about this particular quote in the Law of One regarding bondage:

The yellow ray is a focal and very powerful ray and concerns the entity in relation to, shall we say, groups, societies, or large numbers of mind/body/spirit complexes. This orange — we correct ourselves — this yellow-ray vibration is at the heart of bellicose actions in which one group of entities feel the necessity and right of dominating other groups of entities and bending their wills to the wills of the masters. The negative path, as you would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.

So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M  will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?

Sexual activity is sacred. I realize most of the people on these forums are entirely male. Women seem to shy away from spiritual discussions because they're quickly outnumbered. There is something you all have to learn about this, but you aren't going to learn it from one another in a state of perversion. You are going to have to listen to a female spiritual master one day (and I am not saying its me). But she's out there. Women just get a bad rep because they themselves engage in the illusion so fiercely in order to survive, and have yet to activate their true inner female divine energy. Which, does not come in the form of pornography, I am sorry to break it to every one.

But all I have to say again is: Sex is sacred. It is not cheap, should not come in the form of prostitution, photographs, videos, etc... It is sacred, and it can be used for ascension/consciousness evolution between two people who are bonded spiritually and emotionally. That bond does not exist between people who are prostituting themselves and receiving money to show you videos of dark forms of sexual activity. Sex is a pure, very pure act. I might sound like a Christian here, but I assure you I do not do labels nor am I religious.

I can honestly say that engaging in pornography as opposed to exploring the possibility of complete and total "soul fusion" through sacredly practiced sex, will in the end, keep you on the negative path. Porn is DE-sentiziing to the soul, and it is poison. Men tell themselves (actually, their egos tell them) about a thousand lies to justify it and call it wholesome. This is huge part of why the world WILL NOT be ascending. We need a female teacher in this world, desperately.

[ricdaw]

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

In my experience, being able to fully acknowledge that these triggers of arousal are there, without shame, is the most important and, strangely, most difficult step. If an individual is, for example, turned on by something they don't want to be turned on by, the usual response is to simply repress or deny what is experienced, or to view it from an uncomfortable, oblique angle without actually touching it. This usually serves to intensify the trigger instead of alleviating it. 

For a long time I was very ashamed of my sexual preferences (bondage), and simply tried to pretend they weren't there. I looked into a million other ways of sexually expressing myself, trying to just replace the desires, but in the end I always wound up back in the same place, usually feeling very guilty, which only deepened the tangle of sexual blockages I was rapidly accumulating. Now I couldn't enjoy any form of sex, because my enjoyment itself felt wrong and I was subconsciously telling myself that I didn't enjoy sex in an attempt to balance the "wrong". Frankly, it was an awful experience.

Learning to view myself as I was, with the intention of honesty instead of the intention to change myself, helped tremendously in unraveling that knot. It was like shrugging off a huge burden, staring into that closet without the "...but I'm going to fix it" mentality. A lot of processes naturally balanced themselves from that alone, and I became a lot less neurotic in my views on sex. Seeking truth trumps seeking perfection every time in my book.

I, personally, in the end, decided that I cared far less about what is balancing and polarizing according to someone else's standards, and far more about what makes me feel like a healthy and capable individual, and I just pursued that. My behavior regarding these specific desires didn't change that much at all, only the thought I attached to the behavior. In other cases, once the cause is viewed honestly and understood, it can be seen as unnecessary and the desire will simply depart. This is something I've experienced in an unrelated instance involving the desire to be with more than one partner. After fully understanding everything that formed and sustained that desire, I just didn't want it anymore. Regardless of further work and outcome, however, I feel that self honesty is the crux of personal growth. 

Reaper, your eloquent essay also describes what it's like for a young man to come to grips with being gay.  I remember it well.

[Nicholas]

I realize most of the people on these forums are entirely male. Women seem to shy away from spiritual discussions because they're quickly outnumbered.

And I very, very much hope that those who are here stick around. Bring4th would benefit soo much with more females interacting, especially the catalyst offered to us men!

[rva_jeremy]

Perhaps to build off of what Jeremy and Jade are saying, I have been wondering the following inquiry: by what specific means can one disentangle undesired sexual distortions acquired as adolescents, such distortions having been embedded into one's sexuality by the mechanism of imprinting?

Yeah, this is a great question and I think the one that we'd all like to be able to answer. I don't think we're going to have success. For me, the key word in your question is "specific". These things are so magnificently and intimately personal and subjective that there is never going to be a one-size-fits-all practice that we're going to be able to come up with here. That's another reason why I'm glad we're (mostly) all on the same page with respect to accepting those here who find value in extreme practices: who in the heck knows what the right way for somebody else to balance is?

We know a few things for sure, right?

1. we know that rejecting the self and one's feelings is bad, a la what Reaper has said about one's triggers
   
2. we know that sex is a energetic, metaphysical, spiritual act in addition to being mental and bodily
   
3. we know that polarization plays some part in all this, in other words, the way we think about sexual dynamics has some impact on how purely we radiate or absorb
   

However, these are principles people can apply to their lives without all coming to same decisions when it comes to behavior in third density. And that's important.

Is it also worth pointing out at this juncture that "service to self" is not properly a synonym for "bad" or "evil"?

[rva_jeremy]

I, personally, in the end, decided that I cared far less about what is balancing and polarizing according to someone else's standards, and far more about what makes me feel like a healthy and capable individual, and I just pursued that.

I'm standing on the table and applauding you, Reaper. Way to go!

[YinYang]

That horrible book trilogy that shall not be named did nothing to help the issue.

Lol! Can I just say this was probably the worst "literature" I ever came across. But being curious as I am, I wanted to see what the woo-ha was all about, but I'm afraid I couldn't make it further than about a hundred pages in.

It is quite interesting wouldn't you say, that this book was described by plenty of women as 'liberating'...hmmm.....

Shoulds and should-nots are obviously counter productive, but I agree with the participants in this thread which feel that BDSM is of the negative variety. Nothing should be suppressed, but I think one should try and find the source of such desires.

You will find, if you observe the entire spectrum of sexual practices among your peoples, that there are those who experience such gratification from domination over others either from rape or from other means of domination. In each case this is an example of energy blockage which is sexual in its nature.

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away. The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One, thus preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming, thus, creates the further environment for holding on to that which apparently has been overcome. All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with otherselves, the appropriate distortion shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

[Minyatur]

Sexual activity is sacred. I realize most of the people on these forums are entirely male. Women seem to shy away from spiritual discussions because they're quickly outnumbered. There is something you all have to learn about this, but you aren't going to learn it from one another in a state of perversion. You are going to have to listen to a female spiritual master one day (and I am not saying its me). But she's out there. Women just get a bad rep because they themselves engage in the illusion so fiercely in order to survive, and have yet to activate their true inner female divine energy. Which, does not come in the form of pornography, I am sorry to break it to every one.

But all I have to say again is: Sex is sacred. It is not cheap, should not come in the form of prostitution, photographs, videos, etc... It is sacred, and it can be used for ascension/consciousness evolution between two people who are bonded spiritually and emotionally. That bond does not exist between people who are prostituting themselves and receiving money to show you videos of dark forms of sexual activity. Sex is a pure, very pure act. I might sound like a Christian here, but I assure you I do not do labels nor am I religious.

I can honestly say that engaging in pornography as opposed to exploring the possibility of complete and total "soul fusion" through sacredly practiced sex, will in the end, keep you on the negative path. Porn is DE-sentiziing to the soul, and it is poison. Men tell themselves (actually, their egos tell them) about a thousand lies to justify it and call it wholesome. This is huge part of why the world WILL NOT be ascending. We need a female teacher in this world, desperately.

I could consider incarnating as a woman to provide a decent female teacher to these planes in my following incarnation. (just kidding...)

On a more serious note, I think what you said is indeed true and applies to more than just pornography. I think there have been many constructs that were instilled into the planetary mind over many eras and cultures with the goal of separating the essence of masculine energy and feminine energy and distorting their contacts and attempts to find completion within one another. I think this is a trait of a society being lead toward the negative and the kind of sexual distortions we see today are really just meant to disallow the reaching of higher and purer energies.

[YinYang]

We have countless female spiritual teachers on this planet, here in our little corner Carla's voice will never fade away.

What I find quite interesting about the Tao Te Ching was that he referred to Deity as "Her" and "Mother". Did Laozi then live in a matriarchal society? And when did we switch to patriarchal? And why do we "genderise" the Creator anyway? The Creator is naturally neither masculine nor feminine, but both/none.

[GentleWanderer]

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[Minyatur]

Can this practice in fact attracts the influence of lower astral or negatives entities ? I know the quote where Daddy Ra says it's fine to experience, understand and accept whaterver is desired but i think that often we indulge into desires instead of learning from them.

Likes attract likes.

I think indulging is a step of the path of learning, there is quite often avoidance of facing the self but there are always personal and valid reasons for that also. Everything heals in it's own time.

[Riveroflight]

We have countless female spiritual teachers on this planet, here in our little corner Carla's voice will never fade away.

What I find quite interesting about the Tao Te Ching was that he referred to Deity as "Her" and "Mother". Did Laozi then live in a matriarchal society? And when did we switch to patriarchal? And why do we "genderise" the Creator anyway? The Creator is naturally neither masculine nor feminine, but both/none.

I completely agree with you.. Tao Te Ching's writings are some of my favorite and have been since I was very small. I have a copy of it on my desk now, and quote from it often. The creator certainly shouldn't be "genderized". But I suppose the polarities of male/female are two very sacred expressions of the source; they're destined to become one (again) and dissolve the gender barrier any way, should people ever find the courage to embrace such transformations and let go of the poison that is.. Not enough people in this world are being vigilant against the destructive forces of these industries. It's easy to say, I would even go as far as to say lazy to say.. "Well, since Ra says I need to experience this to my heart's extent so that I can eventually let it fall to the side of the road..". There's truth in Ra's explanations of the perils of denying such desires. But there's also such thing as.. Well, how long does one want to play in the poison before he realizes its poisoning his energy centers from ascension and higher mergence with the divine (and women for that matter)? I suppose I think people are capable of more dedication than what we are presently seeing, especially since we are living in such important times - what with the opportunity to graduate into a density full of lesser distortions. What an opportunity, and oh how many will be missing it. It seems to be pretty well established that the harvest that is on going now will be "very few" according to Ra. People opt for the lower chakra perversions again and again, mostly because it's there at the grasp of their finger tips through the internet.  It's time to buck up and begin moving away from these dominating manipulative portrayals of sex. Sex happens to be one of my favorite things, mind you. I just think it's time men take more of a stand for the sake of their sisters, daughters, mothers, and lovers. If men respect any of them, then they will protect them from this mindless objectification through taking a stand against the industry. But, they choose not to. It's as easy as imagining how you would react if you found out your sister, mother, or lover was starring in a porn video. You would want to protect her from such abuse/manipulation of her soul, wouldn't you? Just something to consider..

There are certainly some great female figures out there, you're absolutely right. But I suppose I am speaking on a larger scale, such as the Pope or the Dali lama. As a woman who is constantly objectified because of present day American culture, I suppose my experience of dealing with these things is different than yours and most men here. It has been nothing short of spiritual torture - as in the expectations are horrendous to look/walk/talk a certain way just to "make it", etc - No one cares what your spiritual insights are because you are female. Most of the time, actually all of the time, men are only interested in what you can offer them physically so you can live out their fantasies with them according to what they saw in a porn video online the night before (I can assure you that). So, most of this negligence to the female species as spiritual beings who deserve to be heard for their spiritual insights has been even more deeply damaged from the emergence of these multi billion dollar industries. I do believe it is coming from the porn industry itself and men's reliance on it in private (Whether or not they want to admit it or not, 99% have an addiction to it due to the internet).

Many women as result, aren't even "seeking" any more. And you know what I mean by seeking - Many (not all, but a majority) aren't exploring their higher spirituality because they too have become brainwashed into thinking they're really just here for entertainment purposes. The internet has made it possible for even your most honorable of men to turn away from his ethics/morality/integrity, and engage in private perversions, any form he can imagine at that. But, since there's a "Screen" between him and the naked women having sex, somehow, that isn't the same in their opinion. Women are not expressing themselves often on these spiritual forums for a reason, and that is widely because they are only thought of as being play things and they are well aware of it. They've learned to just shut up on these matters because they'll be mocked, jeered, and made fun of any way. Obviously, there are exceptions to this.. Carla is a fantastic example - she was lucky to have Jim/Don as such dedicated friends who believed in her a divine being regardless of her appearance or form. Most of the time, this is not true.  Men aren't ready to move beyond that, though they talk a good game when claiming to have respect for women. I have been noticing that all of my life. Where ever serious spiritual conversations are taking place, women are a minority..

Maybe that will change when the fourth fully steps forward on this planet.

[YinYang]

Tao Te Ching's writings are some of my favorite and have been since I was very small. I have a copy of it on my desk now, and quote from it often.

That makes two of us! :-)

"Well, since Ra says I need to experience this to my heart's extent so that I can eventually let it fall to the side of the road.."

I have just learned in my own spiritual quest that "do's and don'ts" is a very destructive approach to spirituality. It's that guilt trip that the Abrahamic religions are so famous for. I remember well how guilty I felt just by walking into church, with those fire and brimstone preachers. You are guilty for being born, guilty for existing. Alan Watts said it so well, that those religions make people feel as if they are here on probation. That "how dare you?" approach that they have. "How dare you come in?" "Who do you think you are?"

That's why the churches are empty, because people are sick and tired of being made to feel guilty, diminished and worthless, rather than being made to feel and know that they are entities of infinite worth. Spirituality is fun. I remember the first time I read the Ra material, I read that sentence over and over (the one about infinite worth), thanks to Christianity and the guilt trip!

[Riveroflight]

I completely agree with you.. Tao Te Ching's writings are some of my favorite and have been since I was very small. I have a copy of it on my desk now, and quote from it often.

That makes two of us! :-)

"Well, since Ra says I need to experience this to my heart's extent so that I can eventually let it fall to the side of the road.."

I have just learned in my own spiritual quest that "do's and don'ts" is a very destructive approach to spirituality. It's that guilt trip that the Abrahamic religions are so famous for. I remember well how guilty I felt just by walking into church, with those fire and brimstone preachers. You are guilty for being born, guilty for existing. Alan Watts said it so well, that those religions made people feel as if they are here on probation. That "how dare you?" approach that they have. "How dare you come in?" "Who do you think you are?"

That's why the churches are empty, because people are sick and tired of being made to feel guilty, diminished and worthless, rather than being made to feel and know that they are entities of infinite worth. Spirituality is fun. I remember the first time I read the Ra material, I read that sentence over and over (the one about infinite worth), thanks to Christianity and the guilt trip!

Right, right.. Okay, my standards must be so annoyingly high because the "don'ts" in life have always been such sheer common sense for me. I don't have to work at them, as they're just effortless because its my natural state of being. When I come into contact with these things, I almost vomit from shock. That includes most things in the music industry, and hollywood for that matter. Illusions heavily repulse me and I am constantly questioning how I got on this planet. I was sort of born into this incarnation with exceptionally high expectations of others, and I didn't get it from my parents. One could say that's a "controlling" issue, but it honestly isn't. I've always had problems conceiving of why people struggle with the things they do. But perhaps I need to understand that most don't find these things effortless and its a constant struggle to live in purity for many. My boyfriend and I now are on the verge of breaking up because I literally will not live with some one who has to turn to dark themes for their entertainment every time my back is turned..

And I agree, religion is heavily heavily distorting truth and how fun it can be to 'grow' spiritually. Though, I guess "growing pains" are real too and people have to be willing to go through them instead of shying away from great intimacy with the source.

[rva_jeremy]

Well, how long does one want to play in the poison before he realizes its poisoning his energy centers from ascension and higher mergence with the divine (and women for that matter)?

As long as it takes?

I truly believe we're all doing the very best we can. That's the only attitude I've been able to adopt that allows me to have compassion for people with whom I part ways.

[Riveroflight]

Can this practice in fact attracts the influence of lower astral or negatives entities ? I know the quote where Daddy Ra says it's fine to experience, understand and accept whaterver is desired but i think that often we indulge into desires instead of learning from them.

The truth is - the negative energies and lower astral realms bask in this stuff.. So yes. It is highly attracted. A course in miracles teaches that at some point, the seeker most begin denying these illusions if one wants to grow into higher states of consciousness.  But it is up to the seeker when he feels prepared to go through the "Growing pains" of necessary denial to begin achieving/exploring higher states of ecstasy/intimacy with the source and true loving vibration waiting for you. It's all around you.

Stand in a forest and close your eyes, and you will feel the grace of the Source in all its majesty flowing through the vibrations being offered by the trees. First density (the elements) is close to Eight. In fact, they are almost one in the same. Eight is one. Eight gave birth to one. This means that raw nature in its first density, being such a primal and first expression of the source, can offer us the abstract vibrations of pure loving vibration in a pure and unpolluted form. I'd say this would be a great first step in learning to not "Crave" these things any more.. Spend more time in nature (and alone, so that constant chatter doesn't distract the channeling of divine source energy).

[YinYang]

Well, how long does one want to play in the poison before he realizes its poisoning his energy centers from ascension and higher mergence with the divine (and women for that matter)?

One needs to find the source of the blockage, and the causes can be numerous. It's balancing work I think... and it's of course not unique to males, perhaps a bit more prevalent I think. It takes two to tango.

[Riveroflight]

Well, how long does one want to play in the poison before he realizes its poisoning his energy centers from ascension and higher mergence with the divine (and women for that matter)?

One needs to find the source of the blockage, and the causes can be numerous. It's balancing work I think... and it's of course not unique to males, perhaps a bit more prevalent I think.

Absolutely, its just my personal belief that porn is one of the biggest blockages there is. It leads to a wealth of deeper distortions in the way we relate to other-self and those around us. It is counter-productive to the "pure loving vibration" of the source field. If there was a list of "lesser and greater distortions", I would say porn engagement is one of the strongest blocks there is to ascension into the fourth. It carries an extremely low vibration and ruins the purity and potential of purity within our relationships. That isn't to say I don't believe in having sex, I just believe it can be experienced in an incredibly pure way - and that is deeply personal to the two people involved.

Of course, I agree with all every one has said, too.  To each their own until they are ready to step through the "Growing pains" of third density, I guess.

[Riveroflight]

Though - a gentle reminder - the harvest is now. We have honestly had dozens of lifetimes to figure this stuff out, and yet for some reason, the civilizations of earth are still holding stagnant unwilling to face their blockages head on and do the deep work that needs to be done.

[YinYang]

I feel like 'gently' reminding you that that approach is exactly the kind of approach the Abrahamic religions are so despised for. The urgency! It has a threatening tone to it, and it is rooted in fear and guilt. If I miss the cut, then I will happily repeat 3rd density, but I will never again let anyone make me fear anything, or make me feel guilty.

[Riveroflight]

I feel like 'gently' reminding you that that approach is exactly the kind of approach the Abrahamic religions are so despised for. The urgency! It has a threatening tone to it, and it is rooted in fear and guilt. If I miss the cut, then I will happily repeat 3rd density, but I will never again let anyone make me fear anything, or make me feel guilty.

I in no shape or form am meaning to imply fear.. I assure you. If it came of that way, I sincerely apologize.

I am merely saying that addressing these blockages sooner than later might be a good idea instead of just standing by the side of the road taking the corn syrup because the whole nation is doing it too. Q'uo, RA, and others, have explained one of the reasons this ascension earth progression is going to be so destructive is because of the negative practices of this planet, that it actually didn't have to be this way. That Gaia herself is being poisoned by the very collective consciousness of the people. That it could have been a smooth & peaceful transition. And so, if that matters at all, I'm merely stressing that it takes courage to move away from certain behaviors when every one is doing it too, and, no one ever said it would be easy. So let's calm down here.

No fear implied - In an earlier reply, I couldn't have been more kind/gracious when suggesting spending time in nature to curb the 'urges' to play in these lower realms. I have also said many times how wonderful sex can be, and how I myself, do love sex - how it can even be a key to ascension and consciousness evolution. Obviously, I am not anti-sex here nor have I suggested I'm a crazy religious fanatic and saying "Fear the rapture!". That's laughable. Try to take a look at the whole of everything I have said instead of isolating a sentence.

I'm not a fan of these religious organizations any more than you are, I assure you.

[earth_spirit]

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[Riveroflight]

Pornography is sacred. I for one give thanks that it exists.

Right on brother!