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    05-04-2017, 10:25 PM
    From whence does limitation/resistance come? From interactions with other-selves, to some degree, but, on a base level, is there even such a thing as quantity of energy? Is there a limited amount of the spirit-stuff that makes up all existence to work with, or is it truly unlimited in the sense that our thoughts really do create entire universes?

    On the astral plane, I can simply think something, and it is done. On the physical plane, I can also manifest to some degree, but to what degree does mental energy interact with the world around me, and how do I increase that interaction?

    The old Babylonian and Gnostic legends mention that in order for this universe to be created, the blood of a god had to be used, implying some sort of limitation, or, at least, the IDEA of some sort of limitation on the part of the primordial entities that existed at that point.

    The Cassopiejhuywjwsjsdmdian Logs mention that there are methods to create universes and a multitude of possibilities for how such created universes can be merged or split with Earth timelines, or whatever. So there must be methods.

    Can a new timeline be created which is unique to one individual, but which uses energetic patterns - up to and including planetary entities - in their full complexity, with the timeline being mutable, or is there some kind of inherent energetic limitation that prevents this from being done? Would the blood of another god be required, or is that limitation also illusory?

    It also mentions that neutrinos are an opening to hyperspace that are activated by electromagnetism, which is the key both to teleportation and time travel, which parallels Seth's sub-electromagnetic consciousness units and his insistence that this reality is born of an underlying dream world.

    I think that, at the deepest levels, reality is infinite, but in order to make it to, say, fifth density, wherein all laws are mutable by the observer, we have to work with third density first, and there are laws here, even if they're basically illusory once you have the knowledge of how they work. And maybe we can make our own methods as much as we can use the tried and true, since Ra mentions at one point that other races' manipulations of the dimensions may use different methods, but aren't necessarily superior to ours....

    I spend most of my time thinking about these things. There has to be a way to tap into intelligent infinity and walk the universe with unfettered tread. Has to be a way to overcome limitations. But what are the limitations, exactly? Are they fully illusory? What material needs to be balanced, what patterns tapped into in order to afford access to the truly infinite?

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    05-04-2017, 10:40 PM
    Have you ever thought of just letting go of caring about such things?

    Like you have such an incredibly beautiful and vivid mind, why do you use it to think about these painful things?  You should write a book instead of speculate endlessly into the chaos of uncertainty.

    Why not just say, FUUUUCK THIIIIS, let it go, and just try to enjoy yoursel while looking into these things?

    You're making a new universe every thought of the way, you merger it with reality every time you think it.

    There's no special trick, you need to discover it for yourself by trying.  Think happy and you come closer to a happier universe.  Think evil and it shall approach.

    Worry and you'll have reason to do so the more you do, not even.because something changes, its just you who becomes more worrisome by the direction you traverse the merging spectrum of realities.

    Relax, make love not fear, and Enjoy.  You'll still come across painful things but its inevitable.  What's important is to not get lost in those painful experiences.
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    05-05-2017, 08:53 AM
    I think the Universe that you make with your thoughts and decisions is a universe within Creator's Universe. You can fit infinitely many universes within the one larger Universe. And they each could be infinite. To really change stuff though, you have to overcome the inertia of the collective who does not want to change.

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    05-05-2017, 11:40 AM
    Quote:3.8 Questioner: How were the blocks moved?

    Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.

    This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

    With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rock-ness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

    In this way, that which is required is accomplished due to the cooperation of the infinite understanding of the Creator indwelling in the living rock. This is, of course, the mechanism by which many things are accomplished which are not subject to your present means of physical analysis of action at a distance.

    Everything is intelligent energy. It all starts with learning to communicate with it.

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    05-05-2017, 12:19 PM
    You have to consider 3D, and the Principle of Least Action and Conservation of Energy. 

    Evolutionarily speaking, and in the older parts of our brains, humans are programmed with survival instinct. In the 2D animal kingdom, energy must be conserved for fight or flight response. Things such as not liking change; laziness; only doing what's required at a job; lack of motivation, etc. may be traced back to this instinct for conservation of energy. When incarnating into a human body with DNA, this instinct comes with it. It's yet another challenge of 3D.

    The constructs of 3D and the mass consciousness here are difficult to resist the pull of, but it's not impossible.

    Quote:The principle of least action – or, more accurately, the principle of stationary action – is a variational principle that, when applied to the action of a mechanical system, can be used to obtain the equations of motion for that system. In relativity, a different action must be minimized or maximized. The principle can be used to derive Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian equations of motion, and even general relativity (see Einstein–Hilbert action). The physicist Richard Feynman demonstrated how this principle can also be used in quantum calculations.[1] It was historically called "least" because its solution requires finding the path that has the least value.[2] Its classical mechanics and electromagnetic expressions are a consequence of quantum mechanics, but the stationary action method helped in the development of quantum mechanics.[3]


    The principle remains central in modern physics and mathematics, being applied in thermodynamics,[4] fluid mechanics,[5] the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics,[6] particle physics, and string theory[7] and is a focus of modern mathematical investigation in Morse theory. Maupertuis' principle and Hamilton's principle exemplify the principle of stationary action.

    The action principle is preceded by earlier ideas in optics. In ancient Greece, Euclid wrote in his Catoptrica that, for the path of light reflecting from a mirror, the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.[citation needed] Hero of Alexandria later showed that this path was the shortest length and least time.
     
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    05-05-2017, 01:00 PM
    Quote:Things such as not liking change; laziness; only doing what's required at a job; lack of motivation, etc. may be traced back to this instinct for conservation of energy. When incarnating into a human body with DNA, this instinct comes with it. It's yet another challenge of 3D.

    Diana, I have struggled with this for so long. I don't want to derail the thread, but I would greatly appreciate any further insights or advice you have on this topic.

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    05-05-2017, 05:53 PM
    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Have you ever thought of just letting go of caring about such things?

    Why would I wanna do that, though? This is what's really important, and until I manage to transcend and access intelligent infinity, I can't be happy. The damn lizards have made it clear that they never plan to let me be happy, so what choice do I have but to fight them?

    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Like you have such an incredibly beautiful and vivid mind, why do you use it to think about these painful things?

    I barely understand the concept of something not being painful, and I don't really feel pain consciously anymore.

    I think about these things because I will solve them. There is a way to solve them. I will find it. there is no other point to life.

    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: You should write a book

    I really should, but not until my cognitive faculties return and I'm in full control of my mind, body, and soul. I'm a perfectionist, and I'm not interested in writing a half-assed book that I know could have been done better if I'd focused on spiritual evolution first.

    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Why not just say, FUUUUCK THIIIIS, let it go, and just try to enjoy yoursel while looking into these things?

    There's very little in the world at this point that would allow me to "enjoy myself". This is as close as it gets, at least until I break through these barriers.

    If I want to "enjoy" anything, I have to do this first.

    Also because my karma is extremely negative, and I need to learn how to fix it myself, because I don't think anybody else is going to.

    The desire for domination, evolution, power, creativity.

    Anyways, what use is a beautiful mind if it's not being put to its ultimate use?

    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: There's no special trick,

    There are a lot of special tricks. The use of electricity in the body to manifest objects and manipulate energy outside of the body, that is the goal. There are specific mathematical models and spiritual techniques as well as sciences of the energy body and CNS and horomones designed to do this.

    Nobody will hand me the knowledge, and many seem to be actively against my having it, so I'll reinvent the wheel, or parts of it, if I have to, and maybe even discover some new things along the way.
    I'm just trying to figure out where to start looking.

    (05-05-2017, 11:40 AM)Aion Wrote: Everything is intelligent energy. It all starts with learning to communicate with it.

    Well... yes. But where do we go from there?

    (05-05-2017, 12:19 PM)Diana Wrote: You have to consider 3D, and the Principle of Least Action and Conservation of Energy. 

    Evolutionarily speaking, and in the older parts of our brains, humans are programmed with survival instinct. In the 2D animal kingdom, energy must be conserved for fight or flight response. Things such as not liking change; laziness; only doing what's required at a job; lack of motivation, etc. may be traced back to this instinct for conservation of energy. When incarnating into a human body with DNA, this instinct comes with it. It's yet another challenge of 3D.

    The constructs of 3D and the mass consciousness here are difficult to resist the pull of, but it's not impossible.


    Quote:The principle of least action – or, more accurately, the principle of stationary action – is a variational principle that, when applied to the action of a mechanical system, can be used to obtain the equations of motion for that system. In relativity, a different action must be minimized or maximized. The principle can be used to derive Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian equations of motion, and even general relativity (see Einstein–Hilbert action). The physicist Richard Feynman demonstrated how this principle can also be used in quantum calculations.[1] It was historically called "least" because its solution requires finding the path that has the least value.[2] Its classical mechanics and electromagnetic expressions are a consequence of quantum mechanics, but the stationary action method helped in the development of quantum mechanics.[3]


    The principle remains central in modern physics and mathematics, being applied in thermodynamics,[4] fluid mechanics,[5] the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics,[6] particle physics, and string theory[7] and is a focus of modern mathematical investigation in Morse theory. Maupertuis' principle and Hamilton's principle exemplify the principle of stationary action.

    The action principle is preceded by earlier ideas in optics. In ancient Greece, Euclid wrote in his Catoptrica that, for the path of light reflecting from a mirror, the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.[citation needed] Hero of Alexandria later showed that this path was the shortest length and least time.
     

    Forgive my density (pun intended), but what was the point of that quote? That, metaphysically, the shortest distance between two energetic points creates manifestation?

    Dammit, I really need to level up my math skills so I can read Feynman.

    The DNA bit was insightful and informative, though; thank you for that. I really need to learn to read genetic sequences etherically; I've seen enough genetic magick that I kinda know what it feels like when something on that level of vibrations is being altered, but I don't know how to read it well enough to make intelligent changes on my own except those I already have recorded in my etheric body. It's very complex.

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    05-05-2017, 06:18 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2017, 06:18 PM by DungBeetle.)
    (05-05-2017, 12:19 PM)Diana Wrote: You have to consider 3D, and the Principle of Least Action and Conservation of Energy. 

    Evolutionarily speaking, and in the older parts of our brains, humans are programmed with survival instinct. In the 2D animal kingdom, energy must be conserved for fight or flight response. Things such as not liking change; laziness; only doing what's required at a job; lack of motivation, etc. may be traced back to this instinct for conservation of energy. When incarnating into a human body with DNA, this instinct comes with it. It's yet another challenge of 3D.

    The constructs of 3D and the mass consciousness here are difficult to resist the pull of, but it's not impossible.


    Quote:The principle of least action – or, more accurately, the principle of stationary action – is a variational principle that, when applied to the action of a mechanical system, can be used to obtain the equations of motion for that system. In relativity, a different action must be minimized or maximized. The principle can be used to derive Newtonian, Lagrangian and Hamiltonian equations of motion, and even general relativity (see Einstein–Hilbert action). The physicist Richard Feynman demonstrated how this principle can also be used in quantum calculations.[1] It was historically called "least" because its solution requires finding the path that has the least value.[2] Its classical mechanics and electromagnetic expressions are a consequence of quantum mechanics, but the stationary action method helped in the development of quantum mechanics.[3]


    The principle remains central in modern physics and mathematics, being applied in thermodynamics,[4] fluid mechanics,[5] the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics,[6] particle physics, and string theory[7] and is a focus of modern mathematical investigation in Morse theory. Maupertuis' principle and Hamilton's principle exemplify the principle of stationary action.

    The action principle is preceded by earlier ideas in optics. In ancient Greece, Euclid wrote in his Catoptrica that, for the path of light reflecting from a mirror, the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflection.[citation needed] Hero of Alexandria later showed that this path was the shortest length and least time.
     

    I can be extremely lazy and I am very unmotivated, because I spend 99% of my free time reading, searching for answers, etc.. Is this going to be a penalty as far as my 3d evolution? I never used to dread leaving the house, but after learning so much about how the real world really is (the illusion) and how most people are, I prefer to not be around many. My anxiety is sky high.

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    05-05-2017, 06:25 PM
    (05-05-2017, 06:18 PM)DungBeetle Wrote: I can be extremely lazy and I am very unmotivated, because I spend 99% of my free time reading, searching for answers, etc.. Is this going to be a penalty as far as my 3d evolution? I never used to dread leaving the house, but after learning so much about how the real world really is (the illusion) and how most people are, I prefer to not be around many. My anxiety is sky high.

    Can relate.

    I'm lazy, too, but I also don't know exactly what I should be doing other than being lazy. I'd be a lo more motivated if I had a goal of value and a way to achieve it. Reading is always a good thing, but there's so much to read, and so little of value.

    I just don't like people. I don't see how being around them is useful. It's not even them as much as it is me. I also don't use drugs much anymore, don't use social media much anymore, very rarely watch TV, etc. Just no use for such things.

    I wish I knew what to actually do. Learning is necessary, but so is doing, and I don't know where to go from there.
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    05-05-2017, 06:26 PM
    I wish there was some information on alternate timelines and universe creation, though. The Cassiopaean Logs mention that methods do exist. Are there any good books on the subject?

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    05-06-2017, 11:58 AM
    (05-05-2017, 05:53 PM)Mahakali Wrote: Forgive my density (pun intended), but what was the point of that quote? That, metaphysically, the shortest distance between two energetic points creates manifestation?

    I just included the quote for definition of The Principle of Least Action (which I didn't know how many here would know) and how it underpins as a 3D construct why humans are programmed for doing the least amount to survive. The bolded part was just the key phrase to point out the principle, and could apply to any action.

    (05-05-2017, 05:53 PM)Mahakali Wrote: Dammit, I really need to level up my math skills so I can read Feynman.

    I prefer Brian Greene (The Elegant Universe), David Bohm (Wholeness and the Implicate Order), Rudy Rucker (The Fourth Dimension), Fred Alan Wolf (Parallel Universes), and Michael Talbot (The Holographic Universe). I find Feynman too uninspiring. Smile
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    05-06-2017, 12:15 PM
    (05-05-2017, 06:25 PM)Mahakali Wrote:
    (05-05-2017, 06:18 PM)DungBeetle Wrote: I can be extremely lazy and I am very unmotivated, because I spend 99% of my free time reading, searching for answers, etc.. Is this going to be a penalty as far as my 3d evolution? I never used to dread leaving the house, but after learning so much about how the real world really is (the illusion) and how most people are, I prefer to not be around many. My anxiety is sky high.

    Can relate...

    I can relate as well. I will point out that this is, in part, inertia. I know this from experience. I've worked at home most of my adult life so being around people and solitude have been very clearly delineated for me.

    I find that when I have too much solitude, judgments toward humanity enter my thoughts more. If I go out among people more, I get "hungover" with so much human static and melodrama (my own fault for not having better ways to process it). So for me, it's about balance, which leads to what I call a healthy detachment, so I can stay on track with what I am here, and want, to do.
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    05-06-2017, 05:55 PM (This post was last modified: 05-06-2017, 06:34 PM by sjel.)
    (05-05-2017, 05:53 PM)Mahakali Wrote:
    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Have you ever thought of just letting go of caring about such things?

    Why would I wanna do that, though? This is what's really important, and until I manage to transcend and access intelligent infinity, I can't be happy. The damn lizards have made it clear that they never plan to let me be happy, so what choice do I have but to fight them?

    This right here. You want to be unhappy, so you choose to perceive the lizards/government/astral negative entities as being the source of it. They are happy to provide such an experience for you.

    Everything that you are experiencing at this exact moment, you infinitely want to experience it at every level of your being. So examine why you want this moment to be this way rather than wonder why it's not a different way. If you search deep enough you'll find the belief system that is creating this moment to be the way that it is, and from there you can choose to continue with that belief system or dissolve it by accepting it and moving on.

    I've been doing this lately and it's moved me from feeling confined and victimized to feeling more like a confused creator of my environment. Confused because sometimes I can't seem to find the reason why I'm choosing this moment. Creator because by now I recognize that I am the sole source of my environment.

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    05-07-2017, 12:00 PM
    (05-06-2017, 05:55 PM)sjel Wrote:
    (05-05-2017, 05:53 PM)Mahakali Wrote:
    (05-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Have you ever thought of just letting go of caring about such things?

    Why would I wanna do that, though? This is what's really important, and until I manage to transcend and access intelligent infinity, I can't be happy. The damn lizards have made it clear that they never plan to let me be happy, so what choice do I have but to fight them?

    This right here. You want to be unhappy, so you choose to perceive the lizards/government/astral negative entities as being the source of it. They are happy to provide such an experience for you.

    This. lol Smile

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    05-07-2017, 09:13 PM
    (05-05-2017, 11:40 AM)Aion Wrote: Everything is intelligent energy. It all starts with learning to communicate with it.

    Have you attempted this, Aion?  If so, how far did you get?

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    05-07-2017, 09:50 PM
    (05-07-2017, 09:13 PM)Stranger Wrote:
    (05-05-2017, 11:40 AM)Aion Wrote: Everything is intelligent energy. It all starts with learning to communicate with it.

    Have you attempted this, Aion?  If so, how far did you get?

    I have not attempted to split rock in this way if that is what you mean. I have no reason to do such a thing and I do not believe such an attempt should be made merely for curiosity's sake. I have, however, communicated with intelligent energy (and do so regular) in the form of elementals and have experienced manifested physical events through these. The most I have done this with is to affect weather and it always comes with an exchange, so alas I have no monumental experiences to report as I generally do not ask for physical effects besides the shifts in weather (and those only if allowable as sometimes the pattern isn't flexible, although there have only been a couple times it hasn't worked). I did speak to a lord of flame once whos 'body' manifested through friction. It was in a dark room and suddenly the room gained a low glow and I saw a layer of flame, the friction of matter itself, coating everything and I communicated with it. I believe this entity still pays attention to me from time to time.

    Truth is I don't put much stock on reality manipulation anymore. I used to be obsessed with the idea of materialization until I realized I lacked the sense to use it responsibly. I have had some experiences not relating to elementals but with intelligent energy within myself. I have had a bi-location experience and was able to see with my eyes closed for a short period. In certain states of clarity I have been able to perceive the entire movement of atoms and energy flows within a space and also 'feel' the whole space as an extension of myself, and so have been able to shift them and concentrate them. I can still concentrate energy fairly well, but the fact is that I haven't practiced this sort of thing in years because I no longer saw it as worthwhile, so who knows where I would be now if I had've kept working on it...

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    05-07-2017, 10:48 PM
    I read that shamans can control the weather, but usually did that during war. Like bringing in a dense fog to cover their ships as they invaded.

    They probably used them to help somewhat defend against the Christians who attacked all who did not share their beliefs.
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    05-07-2017, 10:49 PM
    I just try to make sure we don't die if we are taking a long drive somewhere, aha.

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    05-08-2017, 12:02 AM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2017, 12:03 AM by Mahakali.)
    (05-06-2017, 05:55 PM)sjel Wrote: This right here. You want to be unhappy, so you choose to perceive the lizards/government/astral negative entities as being the source of it. They are happy to provide such an experience for you.

    Everything that you are experiencing at this exact moment, you infinitely want to experience it at every level of your being. So examine why you want this moment to be this way rather than wonder why it's not a different way. If you search deep enough you'll find the belief system that is creating this moment to be the way that it is, and from there you can choose to continue with that belief system or dissolve it by accepting it and moving on.

    I've been doing this lately and it's moved me from feeling confined and victimized to feeling more like a confused creator of my environment. Confused because sometimes I can't seem to find the reason why I'm choosing this moment. Creator because by now I recognize that I am the sole source of my environment.

    I don't "want" to be unhappy, or at least, not like this, not in this way... I want to be empowered, to progress.

    The 4th density STs/lizards/whatever asked me whether or not I wanted certain experiences, I clearly said "no", and they tried to manifest them anyways, and then tried to imitate my vibrations and send messages to people saying insane things and/or implanting information in the ether about things that I didn't do.

    If there is some sort of regulatory system on this, it's being skirted by people who know how to avoid being detected. As Ra once stated, it's harder to hide your true vibration in 4th desnity... "Harder", not impossible.

    If not, maybe all I need to do is defend myself... I can't take it anymore.

    If it's just a matter of my deepest levels of consciousness needing a tune-up, that's probably true, but things outside of my ego are trying to attack me, and are using their authoritative systems against me, so...

    (05-06-2017, 11:58 AM)Diana Wrote: I prefer Brian Greene (The Elegant Universe), David Bohm (Wholeness and the Implicate Order), Rudy Rucker (The Fourth Dimension), Fred Alan Wolf (Parallel Universes), and Michael Talbot (The Holographic Universe). I find Feynman too uninspiring. Smile

    Thanks.

    "Uninspiring" is exactly the vibe I get from most sources recommending Feynman, but so many recommend Feynman that I want to get to it sooner or later. But I've got some math to learn, along with physics and chemistry.

    Meyl would be the best authority on the subject, from what I've heard, but I want to read as much as possible from every viewpoint possible.

    mfw I actually wish I'd payed attention in high school instead of smoking pot and skipping class constantly. The high school stuff (geometry, trig, physics, linear algebra, general chemistry) won't take more than a month or three at the rate I'm working, but damn do I wanna get to the good stuff.

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    05-08-2017, 12:09 AM
    You might try 'The Holotropic Mind' by Stanislav Grof, M.D. and 'The Human Body of Light' by Mitchell Earl Gibson.

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    #21
    05-08-2017, 12:22 PM
    (05-08-2017, 12:02 AM)Mahakali Wrote: "Uninspiring" is exactly the vibe I get from most sources recommending Feynman, but so many recommend Feynman that I want to get to it sooner or later. But I've got some math to learn, along with physics and chemistry.

    In my opinion, people recommend Feynman so widely because that's what popular media says to do. He is the accepted choice in scientific circles, probably because he is "in the box." And it's nice, but you don't have to understand the math to get a lot out of the quantum world. Although if this is something you are studying, in order to become a physicist or other scientist, great.

    Feynman is "in the box." I prefer "outside the box." It doesn't have to be too far outside the mainstream, just enough to suggest the author is not bound by the close-mindedness of science. Bohm, for instance, was ostracized for his holographic model, and was basically shunned as a physicist in the US. His book, which I referenced above, is perfectly understandable without knowing the math.

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