My mental health is rapidly deteriorating

[Cainite]

That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

[AnthroHeart]

I do not seek gurus. I learn from almost everyone as they are a mirror.
Although it's easier when I know a person.

Sometimes random strangers will walk by and I'll feel a deep love for them.

[sjel]

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

I think a guru is one whose mental health is infinitely deteriorating. He is infinitely failing.

[sjel]

I do not seek gurus. I learn from almost everyone as they are a mirror.
Although it's easier when I know a person.

Sometimes random strangers will walk by and I'll feel a deep love for them.

Ram Dass said, 'everyone is my guru. The world is designed for me.' he laughed with the audience, at himself. because he showed acute awareness of what he just said.

[AnthroHeart]

I like your signature sjel. If reality is expanding at infinite speed that means that one day I will be able to consciously create my own reality. Not just an unconscious collective creation like Earth is.

[sjel]

I like your signature sjel. If reality is expanding at infinite speed that means that one day I will be able to consciously create my own reality. Not just an unconscious collective creation like Earth is.

Partially inspired by yours!! I love it because in being infinite, the Everything MUST be infinitely expanding as well. To be infinite, the One MUST be expanding - at infinite speed! Not a constant rate of expansion!! An infinitely increasing rate of expansion!! To be infinite, The All MUST be accelerating its infinite speed, infinitely!! And so on!!!

[Glow]

That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

I don't. I mean to me wanting followers or notoriety or to be put on a pedestal is to me a bit of an egoic distortion right off the bat. He has said some good things, but then so have many others.

[AnthroHeart]

I do not seek gurus. I learn from almost everyone as they are a mirror.
Although it's easier when I know a person.

Sometimes random strangers will walk by and I'll feel a deep love for them.

Ram Dass said, 'everyone is my guru. The world is designed for me.' he laughed with the audience, at himself. because he showed acute awareness of what he just said.

Ram Dass also said that he loved the wall in a room he was in, because it was a manifestation of God.

Too bad he had a stroke, and now speaks very slowly.

[sjel]

That is a judgement you cannot possible know to be truth.
We all have our distortions and our piece of the truth to share. Why should Osho or anyone else be expected to be perfect?
He has been very useful to many fostering courage in others to break free from their indoctrination.

All gurus are imperfect just like us. or is that perfect just like us? perfectly imperfect just like us.

I don't expect a guru to be perfect. I just expect him to be more spiritual than the average man.

I don't. I mean to me wanting followers or notoriety or to be put on a pedestal  is to me a bit of an egoic distortion right off the bat. He has said some good things, but then so have many others.

Yeah Osho is the s***. He has directly led me to this situation in the last couple days. (maybe indirectly?)

[AnthroHeart]

I like your signature sjel. If reality is expanding at infinite speed that means that one day I will be able to consciously create my own reality. Not just an unconscious collective creation like Earth is.

Partially inspired by yours!! I love it because in being infinite, the Everything MUST be infinitely expanding as well. To be infinite, the One MUST be expanding - at infinite speed! Not a constant rate of expansion!! An infinitely increasing rate of expansion!! To be infinite, The All MUST be accelerating its infinite speed, infinitely!! And so on!!!

Bashar says that movement is an illusion. We are shifting through billions of static parallel realities per second.

At infinity, there is no movement.

Ra says that consciousness is unmoved.

[Night Owl]

I know you have heard all those things before but if you can make sure to do all of them in a single day it can really change you:

- meditate
- drink lots of water
- eat not too much and good food for you, I think I remember you saying you went vegan, whatever you hold positive belief about it focus on that while making the food and eating it
- listen to music that you like. Also try a combination of listening to music that reflect your mood to get it out and listening to music that improve your mood like positive stuff to get it in.
- help/love/share with someone else (seriously this one is surprising)
- have a conversation
- sleep at least 8h and more if you need
- exercise and by exercise I mean make those lungs pump in a ton of air. Run, hike, do aerobics whatever activates the breathe to high intensity for at least 30mins. That's litterally the quickest way to dissipate any emotional charge but it takes more effort. I find running to be the most effective because the high intensity just burn the charge very fast. When it's done it's so relaxing. Yoga, tai chi and muscle training is fine but I find it harder when the body has build up so much negative energy it's like the body will fight it. It will not wamt to relax. Activating the lungs is really crucial.
- have some alone time, a few hours if possible and have a positive conversation with yourself.
- play games/ play piano, have fun and express what you need to get out
- if you can't go in nature at least find a park

- That may be just me but I find that being out at night when nobody is can be very relaxing. I enjoy it so much that sometimes being out in the day makes me dizzy. I don't think we're meant to live in large cities surrounded by metal and buildings loaded with people everywhere running in all directions. I have come to accept that I just prefer the peace and tranquility that it provides to have space and silence during night time. I am much more stressed and emotionally unstable when I live too much during the day. I can't just recommend that for everyone else but it seems my internal clock and body reacts much more positively this way. Sometimes I only notice after an emotional charge has dissipated that I have been living more during the day prior to that. Also I listen to a lot of music like a few hours a day so when I am done I usually need silence. I think most of us do need that but we don't take the time to offer that to ourselves. Sometimes when we have lots of internal noise it's because we have lots of external noise.


After doing all that stillness is much easier to find. We can all struggle to find it sometimes but it's hard to deny that the body sometimes build so much emotional charge that it will resist stillness until at least some of those things are done. None will give you what you want alone and even less if you only do one or two of those things a day. When you combine them in short amount of time it does miracles. It's impressive sometimes how just lacking in one of these areas can expand our imbalances to very vivid and intense ways.

[smc]

0_0 ....do some research people...

Osho was the leader of a cult that ended up with followers involved in attempted murder....

(I've been researching cults for more than 10 years... there are SO many - and 'new age' is full of them.)

sjel.... you're at a crossroads (imo)... you can transmute the poison or let it grow within you... your choice

but if you're taking out the anger you have for your father on other family members - that's ineffective and inappropriate

and IT'S UNKIND - it's STS behaviour

find a way to release the poison - find a way to heal

this is YOUR journey

YOUR choice - move towards the Light - or keep allowing yourself to be eaten by the dark

you signed on for this struggle

[YinYang]

0_0 ....do some research people...

Osho was the leader of a cult that ended up with followers involved in attempted murder....

Yeah, I have also been scratching my head while reading this... cult psychology used to be an interest of mine as well. Osho is known as the "Rolls-Royce Guru", he had 93 of them, and his followers aimed to expand the fleet to include 365 of them - one for every day of the year...

I also sometimes see Castenada fans around here, and I go "whaaa??" Lol!

Sorcerer's Apprentice: My Life with Carlos Castaneda

Castaneda's Journey: The Power and the Allegory

The Don Juan Papers: Further Castaneda Controversies

The dark legacy of Carlos Castaneda

The Castenada hoax was one of the greatest anthropological hoaxes of the 20th Century, not to mention the abuse he unleashed on his inner circle.

Aaaah, guru land.... stranger than fiction.

[Nau7ik]

I also have anger towards my father sjel. This catalyst is a challenge! The fire can overtake the mind and then we fall into unskillful mental qualities. This is most likely a life lesson for you. I know it is for myself. Let yourself be angry, be honest about it, which I think you're already doing. I will only add to be mindful with your interactions with others. You don't want to take your anger out on others. It takes practice being mindful when you're angry, but with practice you will be able to control yourself and avoid pointing that anger towards others unjustly. I would sometimes take my anger out on my mom (such as being harsh in language or attitude), and I didn't like that! She is a mirror for me when I am angry, so I've learned (still refining) to be patient with others. Because when we cool down we look back on how we acted, and then regret can arise. It's best to avoid regret by being mindful in the present moment.

Anyway, it's all a learning process. I don't think you're going insane. I think that you're experiencing an intense portion of a spiral of learning at this time, maybe even a point of initiation. Maybe a dark night of the soul. Search the channeling archives, it is a treasure rove of information!

[sjel]

- exercise and by exercise I mean make those lungs pump in a ton of air. Run, hike, do aerobics whatever activates the breathe to high intensity for at least 30mins. That's litterally the quickest way to dissipate any emotional charge but it takes more effort. I find running to be the most effective because the high intensity just burn the charge very fast. When it's done it's so relaxing. Yoga, tai chi and muscle training is fine but I find it harder when the body has build up so much negative energy it's like the body will fight it. It will not wamt to relax. Activating the lungs is really crucial.

Gahh!!




You're absolutely right about exercise. I have not exercised in many days because the air quality has been so poor that even going outside at all is deleterious to my lungs. Generally I get my lungs pumping fairly often. I also have bronchitis right now, plus lingering sore throat. I have to get out. I'll go hike tomorrow, far away, if my mom or brother will let me use the car. Maybe I'll hijack it if they don't.

[Glow]

0_0 ....do some research people...

Osho was the leader of a cult that ended up with followers involved in attempted murder....

(I've been researching cults for more than 10 years... there are SO many - and 'new age' is full of them.)

sjel.... you're at a crossroads (imo)... you can transmute the poison or let it grow within you... your choice

but if you're taking out the anger you have for your father on other family members - that's ineffective and inappropriate

and IT'S UNKIND - it's STS behaviour

find a way to release the poison - find a way to heal

this is YOUR journey

YOUR choice - move towards the Light - or keep allowing yourself to be eaten by the dark

you signed on for this struggle

On the Osho thing I find any guru has cult potential, just thinking you are more capable of deciding what is right or wrong for other people makes me think of some sort of supiriority complex. It doesn't mean everything they say or is attributed to them is now moot. Christianity has inspired some cults, and it spoke of stoning and other barbaric practices. It is pretty culti being basically about control.
Still there is some good stuff in there.

Ghandi said and did some great things but has some creepy things attributed to him too. We could just make a list of all the alternative thinkers who have contributed to the spiritual path and I doubt a one got it all right. They just did their part like we do ours.

I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho but there is still a lot he said that was pretty profound. Helped me a lot when I was first feeling the world and I were on different paths.

[sjel]

I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho but there is still a lot he said that was pretty profound. Helped me a lot when I was first feeling the world and I were on different paths.

Yeah. I already knew about the 93 cars and murders. For some reason that doesn't affect how many of his videos have affected me.

[sjel]

- exercise and by exercise I mean make those lungs pump in a ton of air. Run, hike, do aerobics whatever activates the breathe to high intensity for at least 30mins. That's litterally the quickest way to dissipate any emotional charge but it takes more effort. I find running to be the most effective because the high intensity just burn the charge very fast. When it's done it's so relaxing. Yoga, tai chi and muscle training is fine but I find it harder when the body has build up so much negative energy it's like the body will fight it. It will not wamt to relax. Activating the lungs is really crucial.

aight. I ran up and down my stairs indoors for 24 minutes. I feel all relaxed and mushy now. I do almost all of the other things on your list - exercise is a vital component, my body keeps shouting that at me.

[Night Owl]

Ouch, seems like you need to live somewhere else. I forgot to mention how freeing it feels to have all your windows open too. It really releases the stagnant energies. But since you can't breathe the air.... I mean that's absolutely unconceivable for me either. How do other people do?

[GentleReckoning]

Help me? But I can only help myself?

Low on clarity? Low on light?

Ra provides a simple answer to that problem.

Ra: [...] In this density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy an higher intensity of light. [...]

Ra: [...] The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. [...]

I don't know if this helps, but it might be worth thinking about.

Higher intensity of light simply means increased catalyst, or information to be processed. It's because it creates greater and greater spiritual density, allowing you to progress to wherever you're 'going' faster and faster regardless of physical circumstances.

[YinYang]

On the Osho thing I find any guru has cult potential, just thinking you are more capable of deciding what is right or wrong for other people makes me think of some sort of supiriority complex. It doesn't mean everything they say or is attributed to them is now moot. Christianity has inspired some cults, and it spoke of stoning and other barbaric practices. It is pretty culti being basically about control.
Still there is some good stuff in there.

Ghandi said and did some great things but has some creepy things attributed to him too. We could just make a list of all the alternative thinkers who have contributed to the spiritual path and I doubt a one got it all right. They just did their part like we do ours.

I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho but there is still a lot he said that was pretty profound. Helped me a lot when I was first feeling the world and I were on different paths.

Each one of these people make up an indispensable part of the tapestry that is humankind. They cultivated a sense of wonder, as you have noted. Each one of us also make up an indispensable part of the tapestry that is humankind. Each expression, each life…unique!

Mary-Margaret Moore who channelled Bartholomew, once said “God is not a xerox machine. Why do we keep trying to duplicate other people’s spiritual experiences?”

The guru lesson is a valuable lesson, I think many here can attest to that... just read through the wanderer stories... One of Buddha’s most well-known parables is The Parable of the Raft:

A man is trapped on one side of a fast-flowing river. Where he stands, there is great danger and uncertainty - but on the far side of the river, there is safety. But there is no bridge or ferry for crossing. So the man gathers logs, leaves, twigs, and vines and is able to fashion a raft, sturdy enough to carry him to the other shore. By lying on the raft and using his arms to paddle, he crosses the river to safety.

The Buddha then asks the listeners a question: “What would you think if the man, having crossed over the river, then said to himself, ‘Oh, this raft has served me so well, I should strap it on to my back and carry it over land now?’” The monks replied that it would not be very sensible to cling to the raft in such a way.

The Buddha continues: “What if he lay the raft down gratefully, thinking that this raft has served him well, but is no longer of use and can thus be laid down upon the shore?”

The monks replied that this would be the proper attitude.

The Buddha concluded by saying, “So it is with my teachings, which are like a raft, and are for crossing over with — not for seizing hold of.”

Idries Shah had this to say in The Sufi:

The false teacher will keep his followers around him all the time, will not tell them that they are being given a training which must end as soon as possible, and will not give them the opportunity to taste their development themselves and carry on as fulfilled people.

Enjoy your own experience, which is unique. There is no other like it in the whole of creation. That's the beauty of it all... that's infinity. Use the teachings of others as a raft to cross a river, but put it down once you are safely on the other side.

I see it as carrying a bag of pebbles. The Ra material is one pebble in my bag (my most precious), but I have many other pebbles of different shapes, colours and sizes (different perspectives), all valuable and inspirational to me - all "rafts" that helped me cross rivers at some point or another.

[AnthroHeart]

Help me? But I can only help myself?

Low on clarity? Low on light?

Ra provides a simple answer to that problem.

Ra: [...] In this density an increase in the serving of others or the serving of self will almost inevitably increase the ability of an entity to enjoy an higher intensity of light. [...]

Ra: [...] The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. [...]

I don't know if this helps, but it might be worth thinking about.

Higher intensity of light simply means increased catalyst, or information to be processed. It's because it creates greater and greater spiritual density, allowing you to progress to wherever you're 'going' faster and faster regardless of physical circumstances.

That's true for 3D. But when you get to higher density, it is more harmonious. 3D you are "forged in the fire". This is not the case of higher density where catalyst can be spread out over thousands of years. Therefore not as intense, but still more light-filled.

[loostudent]

I feel hate occasionally, and love. No feelings though /.../ This combination of clarity and confusion!

Do you suffer from long depresion or emotional numbness?
What does it mean to be confused?

[YinYang]

I've seen some not so enlightened quotes attributed to Osho

People are sad, jealous, and thinking that Rolls Royces don’t fit with spirituality. I don’t see that there is any contradiction… In fact, sitting in a bullock cart it is very difficult to be meditative; a Rolls Royce is the best for spiritual growth.

I'm just being mischievous now...lol

[smc]

when you've been abused, damaged and hurt by cults/gurus/similar it's not appropriate to have responses that minimise the damage and say it's all an "experience" and that there's usefulness in 'some' of their words/ideas

[YinYang]

when you've been abused, damaged and hurt by cults/gurus/similar it's not appropriate to have responses that minimise the damage and say it's all an "experience" and that there's usefulness in 'some' of their words/ideas

It depends on where someone is in their recovery, initially there's nothing funny about it, but much further down the line you can actually see the humour in it. Carla said the same of Don's death, for six years she was suffering tremendously, and when she had recovered sufficiently, she could see the humour in it... I think this is somewhere in book 5, or maybe it's in Wanderer's Handbook.

“It needs remembering that the evils and pains of life have only a passing existence and are relative to the good and joys of life. Their own existence is in the end controlled by the divine laws and used for the divinely based universal outworking. Such complementaries and relativities follow by necessity as soon as this outworking itself begins afresh with every renewed cosmic period. How could any universe come into existence without both good and evil, light and darkness, joy and sorrow, coming with it? Such duality is the inescapable and tragic side of its manifestation. The existence of one opposite is a necessary consequence of the existence of the other. Those who ask for a painless world do not comprehend that they are also asking for a joyless one. The ebb and flow between opposites of joy and anguish, possession and loss, gives man a sense of values which he could not gain to such a vivid degree any other way. Experience of one kind provides a needed balance for the experience of its contrary. This helps him form a just estimate of bodily life and earthly values, a truer perception of its transiency, and thus brings him closer to the consciousness of the spiritual life.”

- Paul Brunton

[smc]

when you've been abused, damaged and hurt by cults/gurus/similar it's not appropriate to have responses that minimise the damage and say it's all an "experience" and that there's usefulness in 'some' of their words/ideas

It depends on where someone is in their recovery, initially there's nothing funny about it, but much further down the line you can actually see the humour in it. Carla said the same of Don's death, for six years she was suffering tremendously, and when she had recovered sufficiently, she could see the humour in it... I think this is somewhere in book 5, or maybe it's in Wanderer's Handbook.

“It needs remembering that the evils and pains of life have only a passing existence and are relative to the good and joys of life. Their own existence is in the end controlled by the divine laws and used for the divinely based universal outworking. Such complementaries and relativities follow by necessity as soon as this outworking itself begins afresh with every renewed cosmic period. How could any universe come into existence without both good and evil, light and darkness, joy and sorrow, coming with it? Such duality is the inescapable and tragic side of its manifestation. The existence of one opposite is a necessary consequence of the existence of the other. Those who ask for a painless world do not comprehend that they are also asking for a joyless one. The ebb and flow between opposites of joy and anguish, possession and loss, gives man a sense of values which he could not gain to such a vivid degree any other way. Experience of one kind provides a needed balance for the experience of its contrary. This helps him form a just estimate of bodily life and earthly values, a truer perception of its transiency, and thus brings him closer to the consciousness of the spiritual life.”

- Paul Brunton

this wasn't what I was referring to at all
you missed my point - which IS my point

[Diana]

It depends on where someone is in their recovery, initially there's nothing funny about it, but much further down the line you can actually see the humour in it. Carla said the same of Don's death, for six years she was suffering tremendously, and when she had recovered sufficiently, she could see the humour in it... I think this is somewhere in book 5, or maybe it's in Wanderer's Handbook.

I can accept suicide, but certainly cannot find humor in it. Maybe in a very detached way, if one is capable of firmly believing it all works out in the end ( I personally only have working theories), but the pain of the event would still be there nonetheless.

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I've been reading some very black and white comments about gurus. What about the followers? I don't imagine gurus, or living masters as they sometimes call themselves, are all bad. They have something to say at the least. If one wants to "follow" someone else's path, like Christians follow a religion's interpretation of a book, then some responsibility must be had for the lack of thinking for one's self. In spite of all the press about Osho, if anyone resonated with anything he said, as Sjel mentioned, take that for what it is—a message, not an order unless you want it to be. It has nothing to do with Osho, rather, that you were listening to the world and a message got through.

There are charlatans out there all over the place. But that does not mean you can't learn from them. If you remove the judgments, and think for yourself, it changes the landscape.

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SMC mentioned abuse in this world. I have nothing but sympathy and empathy for those who have suffered in any way, and that includes all life on this planet. There is so much pain here, and I won't pretend there isn't. But in spite of the pain and difficulty, and with that pain not denied or shoved somewhere deep, one can love and help the world and self—or at least never stop trying to.

I really don't resonate with the new age concept that all is well. All is not well in my estimation, and as far as I know that's why Ra "answered the call" and why wanderers are here. I think this concept that all is well is grossly oversimplified. When one opens one's heart, everything comes in, not just hugs and unicorns.

[BlatzAdict]

I am devoid of anything. Primarily confused. I am saying random words to my brother and mother because I feel nothing. They are probably scared.

I feel hate occasionally, and love. No feelings though. some glimpses of what joy is to come, eventually.

See little glimpses of my smiling guides, my smiling friends. I'm definitely going insane.

Definitely approaching insanity. Yet my head is increadibly clear. I purposely leave the a in incredibly. This combination of clarity and confusion!

Help me? But I can only help myself?

If you can get over his creepy pauses, and just not look at the screen, but only listen, while looking away at something else, it will be easier to pay attention.

The synchronicity here is even in the first sentence of the video: They say we're living in interesting times is an understatement, but with ineresting experiences come even more intriuging opportunities.

It's not you going crazy, it's a gift, that you're learning to slowly incorporate. The more you try to push away it, ultimately it comes right back at you roaring since it is already a part of you waiting to be understood. You are an spark of infinity, by it's very nature, infinity, is everything.





Why am I showing this video? I'll explain, you are here for only a brief moment of time. The first reason is that I want to make sure that you leave the experience with a completely different mindset.

I hope you will find the strength to lift yourself out of your perceived difficulty, you may find that they have actually been blessings.


Instead of everything seeming like it's working against you, everything becomes that which serves you for you to embody the angel light being spark of light that you really were before you decided to incarnate here and forgot.

[Sprout]

"They're gonna be not nice to you. And you're gonna be not nice to them! And they're gonna go, woah woah woah..I don't think I'm being nice here."