What Does The Harvest Really Mean?

[rva_jeremy]

So when I refer to the 'Harvest,' which is what this is all about, and I explain that for some it may may involve what may seem like a 'demonic possession,' I'm speaking from My personal experience, as in your Jung quote.

Right! But then again, since it is subjective, it's difficult to authenticate with others. I think some of the resistance you're feeling is just that: an inability to accept your experience because it conflicts with theirs. For example: what if there are different phenomena that we are labelling "the Harvest"? What if you see part of the game, and we see part of the game, and we're both simply looking at two overlapping but distinct pieces of a larger puzzle?

I don't have it all figured out. I just have made the arbitrary decision to trust myself (even though sometimes I'm not convinced I've met him, either )

[Infinite]

Classic demiurge rhetoric, tell me something new.

Yep. I believe that this demiurge is Lucifer, but your "control" is limited by our free will of serve the Creator. And I don't see this reality as a prison but a hard school.

[Dante776]

So when I refer to the 'Harvest,' which is what this is all about, and I explain that for some it may may involve what may seem like a 'demonic possession,' I'm speaking from My personal experience, as in your Jung quote.

Right! But then again, since it is subjective, it's difficult to authenticate with others.  I think some of the resistance you're feeling is just that: an inability to accept your experience because it conflicts with theirs.  For example: what if there are different phenomena that we are labelling "the Harvest"?  What if you see part of the game, and we see part of the game, and we're both simply looking at two overlapping but distinct pieces of a larger puzzle?

I don't have it all figured out.  I just have made the arbitrary decision to trust myself (even though sometimes I'm not convinced I've met him, either )

I think some of the resistance you're feeling is just that: an inability to accept your experience because it conflicts with theirs. For example: what if there are different phenomena that we are labelling "the Harvest"? What if you see part of the game, and we see part of the game, and we're both simply looking at two overlapping but distinct pieces of a larger puzzle?

You are correct! That is the problem. Which doesn't make any sense to me because we've formed our beliefs around credible witness testimonies all of our lives. We've adapted philosophies, religions, and belief systems around witness testimony. Even as jurors we base the outcome of court cases on testimonies. We don't always have to know the person that has had the experience. I think the fact that I am a normal, everyday person who is having this experience is what they can't accept. If I were the Dalai Lama or Mother Teresa (when she was alive) it would probably be easier for them to accept.

I just think that too many of these folks are too closed minded and not open to other people's experiences. They are quick to shoot people down like authors of certain books and articles such as Castaneda, Deane or Prescott. Yet, I guarantee you that each one of them has their own favorite author or inspiration story that is no less outlandish than these authors. I just think people are very biased and unfriendly to people who have had a different experience than themselves. I don't have a problem believing other peoples experiences. Never did. We should never presume that we know everything there is about a subject. And always be ready to modify our views based on new information.

[Dante776]

Classic demiurge rhetoric, tell me something new.

Yep. I believe that this demiurge is Lucifer, but your "control" is limited by our free will of serve the Creator. And I don't see this reality as a prison but a hard school.

Agreed. However, I believe they are both merely two sides of the same coin; Creator/Lucifer; Ra/Set. It's the same multi-dimensional consciousness.

[Dante776]

Ra, is a multi-dimensional consciousness that, along with other beings, are behind many of the duality based belief systems that make up the this Matrix that many of you have bought into.

You could have a point there, actually. This STS / STO stuff has never resonated with me and you are right it is duality-based. And then the percentages... you have to be a certain percentage in order to graduate this or that... gimme a break.
Does anyone really believe that the Creator measures spiritual progress in % ???
Some things that have always been a bit of red flags ...
Carla was drained after the Ra contact, right? that is why she needed those sexual energy exchanges before or after in order to get her energy Level back.
Being drained after channeling is not a good sign re the entity that she channeled. Not a good sign at all.
She had a distortion toward martyrdom, and those people often attract negative leeches. Don't get me wrong, I am sure Carla and her two companions had only good intentions.
But the thing about channeling is you can never be quite sure who it is you invite.
What is another red flag for me is the connection between the Ra channelings and mental illness. Don, of course is the most prominent example but also others on this forum have spoken about their experience - IndigoGeminiWolf has been talking often about meeting Ra and then subsequently developing schizophrenia (Gemini, I hope you don't mind my mentioning you here, but since you talked about it openly yourself I hope it is ok)

You could have a point there, actually. This STS / STO stuff has never resonated with me and you are right it is duality-based. And then the percentages... you have to be a certain percentage in order to graduate this or that... gimme a break.
Does anyone really believe that the Creator measures spiritual progress in % ???
Some things that have always been a bit of red flags ...

JayCee, I could not agree with you more! I think people are too quick to surrender their power to certain beings and their channeled messages without thoroughly dissecting the information. And they will vehemently defend the messengers even when others are trying to tell them of their direct negative experience with multidimensional beings. Now, I'm not directly accusing Ra of hijacking people and playing "the devil" on them, but truthfully speaking how do we really know? That's why we should consider all of the experiences that people are having.

But the thing about channeling is you can never be quite sure who it is you invite.
What is another red flag for me is the connection between the Ra channelings and mental illness. Don, of course is the most prominent example but also others on this forum have spoken about their experience - IndigoGeminiWolf has been talking often about meeting Ra and then subsequently developing schizophrenia (Gemini, I hope you don't mind my mentioning you here, but since you talked about it openly yourself I hope it is ok)

Well said. I completely agree! The mental illness or schizophrenia comes from this intelligence, whether you call it Ra, Rishi, Anunnaki, Ascended Masters or whatever, that turns into demonic possession for some people. That's exactly what I have been trying to get across. This intelligence begins to dominate your body-mind complex and merge with your entire being and then it begins to play torturous mind games on you. As time goes on it begins to place implants in you and block various chakra points in your body and control the flow of your kundalini energy. This is something that you can't make up! You can only know this from direct experience!! I am not trying to frighten anyone, I'm just trying to bring awareness from a different perspective so that we can know the full ramifications of this phenomenon.

[777]

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[Dante776]

From the information that I have gleaned from MY own contact experience, this intelligence is directly engaged in polarity conflicts for the purposes of experiencing both sides of The Game.

OK, and?  The Game goes on either way.  The positive and negative polarities exist in large part just so that the Creator can play the Game with itself, and learn\grow through those experiences which would be impossible without binary divisions.  They're an arbitrary distinction, like shirts vs skins.  And the Game would still be going on even if Ra weren't here at all.    Considering that Ra openly says he is without polarity, and that a large number of the Wanderers on Earth are from his group, then it really only stands to reason that he's experiencing both sides as part of his quest towards balance and re-unity with the Creator.

The Creator who is both sides.  All sides.

Basically, if you're faulting Ra for not taking sides, you appear to misunderstand that the goal is to transcend the Game, not to win it.  Hell, by his own admission Ra barely even perceives humans as individuals.  He just sees himself as serving one small segment of the Creator.

And the Game would still be going on even if Ra weren't here at all. Considering that Ra openly says he is without polarity, and that a large number of the Wanderers on Earth are from his group, then it really only stands to reason that he's experiencing both sides as part of his quest towards balance and re-unity with the Creator.

I'm not sure how Ra can openly say that he is without polarity while at the same time "experiencing" both sides as part of his quest towards balance and re-unity. That's a bit of a contradiction if you ask me. Even if Ra is not solely responsible for the polarity distortions that humanity is plagued by, I think that s/he along with the Elohim, Sirians, Plieadians, Anunnaki and others are responsible for these distortions from the earliest times which eventually led to the "so called" fall of man and our current dilemma as a human species.

Basically, if you're faulting Ra for not taking sides, you appear to misunderstand that the goal is to transcend the Game, not to win it.  Hell, by his own admission Ra barely even perceives humans as individuals.  He just sees himself as serving one small segment of the Creator.

I'm not faulting Ra for taking sides. I'm saying that this entire system of duality, which forces "us" to choose sides was set up by the beings at the very top that represent the Universal Mind Matrix (which Ra is a part of). Many of the life forms that they have seeded are responsible for these distortions, especially Fallen Angelic forces that are behind our current system of domination and control, have's and have not's, rich and poor, crime and punishment, etc. So, while the goal may be to transcend the game, while we are here, we are compelled to "fight the good fight" and help others that may be less fortunate "in the game." Unless we adopt the mindset of our oppressors.

[Dante776]

I went through the demiurge / matrix thing for years and I found that the paradigm described in the Law of One resonates with me much more and helps me function / think more smoothly / clearly. I am only speaking on my experience so far.

A lot of the demiurge / prison matrix literature reads to me as ideas that only grasp at small pieces of the picture with many misinterpretations... I used to believe a fair amount of it as well. The Law of One is very consistent and logical throughout. The sections on the Orion Group and negative entities finally gave me a satisfactory explanation, personally, for the darker paranormal manipulations I and others have noticed
. It makes more sense to me than the idea that reality itself is a time-loop simulation that most are endlessly trapped in, designed to feed off soul energy from reincarnation to reincarnation (which I completely believed in at one point). It's a more pleasant mode of existence as well.

I believe there were some excerpts from the literature that state that it is actually the Higher Self of an entity that selects its new environment / density post-harvest, by examining the energy centers of the lower self. I may look it up after meditation, it's difficult for me to review material while I'm waiting for a new computer (posting from mobile).

777, I agree with everything that you are saying but just know that those small pieces of the picture are necessary also to put the entire puzzle together. I see the value in both paradigms in that for a long time humanity has been trapped in a time-loop simulation but as time progresses we learn from many spiritual luminaries that have discovered how to transcend the matrix. There is also channeled information that you and others are referring to that help us with this.

A lot of the demiurge / prison matrix literature reads to me as ideas that only grasp at small pieces of the picture with many misinterpretations... I used to believe a fair amount of it as well.

These experiences that I describe is what is actually happening to me. This is not something I am reading in a book. Although I do look for information that resonates with my experiences to better understand the phenomenon.

[smc]

Hi Dante776...

I don't think you are "weak" (I never said that).

I'm still (slowly) reading the Ra material - and have a strong feeling of resonance with it.

So far - over 4-5yrs I've never seen anyone here behave like 'devotees' of 'RA' - or the 'material'...  -

I think UNTIL you have thoroughly read the ENTIRE material you should suspend the combative intensity and criticism of your current judgements.

35 years of research into metaphysics/religion/'new-age'/spirituality has shown me so many (provable) instances of delusion/cults/frauds/scammers/wannabes/false 'gurus'/cultural theft.

Humans capacity to deceive others (and ourselves) is an integral part of the landscape of Earth and the teach/learn of the conditions of incarnation here.

I've learnt just how much untruth (created by ego and/or for profit) there is available.

Everything is so fast now - information overload/exhaustion and subsequent lack of discernment from the multiplicity of 'sources' is a major risk.
There's not enough time in the day to fully contemplate even one piece of possible truth...

Regarding 'ultimate truth' - one of the most wise things someone can say is "I don't know"

but it's usually the last thing anyone wants to admit...

Could you consider that you're here insisting various 'sources' as truth - that are as unverifiable/unprovable as what you criticise?... that you're projecting a supposed zealotry on people here, without seeing that you're being zealous yourself about your own adopted beliefs/ideas...?

I acknowledge I was blunt about those you resonate with - but have FILES by the dozen with irrefutable proof of the dishonourable and duplicitous actions of countless metaphysical/religious 'figures'... I've done exhaustive research into dozens of supposed 'wise teachers' (et al) and my disappointment has been severe and repeated in the 35 years I've been seeking truth and understanding....

What I do know as useful is 'psychic hygiene' - and psychic boundaries.

Just as we function best with enough sleep, nutrition, hydration, shelter from heat and cold etc, assurance of personal safety, physical health, appropriate boundaries with other beings; so too, we need optimum conditions to sustain our emotional and spiritual health.

So in that regard; your situation deserves much compassion - from you to yourself - and from me/others to you...

I have been in hellish places and states... and it is not up for anyone to deny.

So - if you want, I offer my best wishes, respect, and empathy.

If you don't want that - no problem either.

[Minyatur]

Ref: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

Seems to me like quite the beautiful painting of both fear and pain, held in a play of paradoxal ideas and misconceptions.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm not faulting Ra for taking sides. I'm saying that this entire system of duality, which forces "us" to choose sides was set up by the beings at the very top the represent the Universal Mind Matrix (which Ra is a part of). Many of the life forms that they have seeded are responsible for these distortions, especially Fallen Angelic forces that are behind our current system of domination and control, have's and have not's, rich and poor, crime and punishment, etc. So, while the goal may be to transcend the game, while we are here, we are compelled to "fight the good fight" and help others that may be less fortunate "in the game." Unless we adopt the mindset of our oppressors.

YOU ARE PART OF THAT MATRIX TOO.  WE ARE ALL THE CREATOR.  Sorry to yell, but if you do not understand and accept that simple basic idea, there can be no productive discourse here.  There is truly nothing to be gained from inventing scapegoats, because you're part of them.   Earth is exactly what Earth is supposed to be, and we have all made it what it is.

Earth is a playground.  An amusement park.  A scary movie.  An MMORPG.  We are collectively allowing ourselves to live on bizarro world specifically for the experience of living in ways completely contrary to the regular order of things.  And because accepting incarnations on such a planet allow us to learn and grow at a vastly accelerated pace.  As JFK once said, we do not do these things because they are easy.  We do them because they are hard.  Earth is a trial by fire by design.

Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever.  Just understand that it is your choice.  Yours. You are not forced, enslaved, disempowered, or in any other way compelled to participate in any activities.  If you feel it is your path to fight, then fight.  But it's not the "fault" of anyone but yourself that you are here and choosing to fight.    

And in the meantime, a single incarnation on Earth is but an eyeblink in the span of an entity's passage through existence.  Even an entire cycle of incarnations barely amounts to a weekend on the cosmic timescale.  All suffering on Earth ceases quite quickly in the grand scheme.  The point is what we can learn while going through it, and how much more quickly entities on planets such as Earth move through the densities due to those experiences.

[Dante776]

Hi Dante776...

I don't think you are "weak" (I never said that).

I'm still (slowly) reading the Ra material - and have a strong feeling of resonance with it.

So far - over 4-5yrs I've never seen anyone here behave like 'devotees' of 'RA' - or the 'material'...  -

I think UNTIL you have thoroughly read the ENTIRE material you should suspend the combative intensity and criticism of your current judgements.

35 years of research into metaphysics/religion/'new-age'/spirituality has shown me so many (provable) instances of delusion/cults/frauds/scammers/wannabes/false 'gurus'/cultural theft.

Humans capacity to deceive others (and ourselves) is an integral part of the landscape of Earth and the teach/learn of the conditions of incarnation here.

I've learnt just how much untruth (created by ego and/or for profit) there is available.

Everything is so fast now - information overload/exhaustion and subsequent lack of discernment from the multiplicity of 'sources' is a major risk.
There's not enough time in the day to fully contemplate even one piece of possible truth...

Regarding 'ultimate truth' - one of the most wise things someone can say is "I don't know"

but it's usually the last thing anyone wants to admit...

Could you consider that you're here insisting various 'sources' as truth - that are as unverifiable/unprovable as what you criticise?... that you're projecting a supposed zealotry on people here, without seeing that you're being zealous yourself about your own adopted beliefs/ideas...?

I acknowledge I was blunt about those you resonate with - but have FILES by the dozen with irrefutable proof of the dishonourable and duplicitous actions of countless metaphysical/religious 'figures'... I've done exhaustive research into dozens of supposed 'wise teachers' (et al) and my disappointment has been severe and repeated in the 35 years I've been seeking truth and understanding....

What I do know as useful is 'psychic hygiene' - and psychic boundaries.

Just as we function best with enough sleep, nutrition, hydration, shelter from heat and cold etc, assurance of personal safety, physical health, appropriate boundaries with other beings; so too, we need optimum conditions to sustain our emotional and spiritual health.

So in that regard; your situation deserves much compassion - from you to yourself - and from me/others to you...

I have been in hellish places and states... and it is not up for anyone to deny.

So - if you want, I offer my best wishes, respect, and empathy.

If you don't want that - no problem either.

I think UNTIL you have thoroughly read the ENTIRE material you should suspend the combative intensity and criticism of your current judgements.

Smc, I am very familiar with the Ra material having read it years ago. I often listen to the Law of One recordings which is easily accessible on YouTube. As I said, I don't have a problem with the Ra Material and I am a proponent of the Law of One. What I have a problem with is people who are too eager to go to war with you when you try and present a different perspective based on "personal" experience. Many "spiritual peoples" of traditional and New age affiliation, who think worshiping an ancient book, or surrendering personal power to an external "God," "ET," "Angel" or "channel" is the ultimate expression of spiritual development and will "make everything all right." Fear, the "Pleasure-Pain Principle" and Disinformation are the common control elements by which humans become easily misled into surrendering their power to something outside themselves. Once this "outside source" has your power, compliance with the approval of that source becomes, implicit.  

35 years of research into metaphysics/religion/'new-age'/spirituality has shown me so many (provable) instances of delusion/cults/frauds/scammers/wannabes/false 'gurus'/cultural theft.

Humans capacity to deceive others (and ourselves) is an integral part of the landscape of Earth and the teach/learn of the conditions of incarnation here.

I've learnt just how much untruth (created by ego and/or for profit) there is available.

I'm about 30 years in myself. And I am not on this forum to delude, scam or make a profit. I'm not peddling a book nor looking for a following. I have NOTHING to personally gain from this. I'm on here purely for the LOVE of humanity. And to share MY experience with multidimensional conscious beings so that others can be aware of all of the ramifications of this phenomenon.

Could you consider that you're here insisting various 'sources' as truth - that are as unverifiable/unprovable as what you criticise?... that you're projecting a supposed zealotry on people here, without seeing that you're being zealous yourself about your own adopted beliefs/ideas...?

That's just it! That's the point I'm trying to make. The things that they write about are happening to me right now! This is not blind faith here. This is actual experience. 14 years ago as I was heavily engaged in community activism at the time, I began to receive psychic attacks. In time it turned into a full possession by this intelligence that seems to have merged with my mind-body-spirit complex. I don't here voices or anything, instead it spells a crude form of English by moving my toes, feet or legs. So, I spend a lot of time trying to decipher it's messages. It initially told me that it wanted to help me achieve all of my goals and plans but shortly afterwards it took a turn for the worst and started tormenting me psychologically by constantly lying, taunting me, making false promises, trying to mislead me, I could go on and on and on. They told me a number of troubling things. Many of which I know are true. I've been to hell and back thousands of times with this thing!! Most people would have clocked out by now, I'm sure!!! But I'm still here. They have told me that they were everything from the Ashtar Command, Galactic Federation of Light, Archangels, Elohim, Draco-Orion, Sirians, and yes, even the Ra Confederacy.

Now, are they tormenting me 24 hours a day? No. But it has been problematic enough that it has rearranged my entire life. All of my goals, dreams, and plans have been altered due to this "forced hosting" if you will. Do they always lie and deceive? No, in fact I have gotten many nuggets of truth over the years but they've made me work for it. They will tell a lot of lies with some truth and in time the truth will begin to surface and become more apparent. So, when I reference these different sources, I'm referencing material that I have found which speaks to exactly what I am going through, right now! Many of the "truths" that has come to me over the years can be found in some of those books and articles. And I just feel compelled to share this information so that we (or some of you, I should say) are not walking into anything blindly. Is there anything wrong with that?

So in that regard; your situation deserves much compassion - from you to yourself - and from me/others to you...

I have been in hellish places and states... and it is not up for anyone to deny.

So - if you want, I offer my best wishes, respect, and empathy.

Thank you.

[APeacefulWarrior]

I'm not faulting Ra for taking sides. I'm saying that this entire system of duality, which forces "us" to choose sides was set up by the beings at the very top the represent the Universal Mind Matrix (which Ra is a part of). Many of the life forms that they have seeded are responsible for these distortions, especially Fallen Angelic forces that are behind our current system of domination and control, have's and have not's, rich and poor, crime and punishment, etc. So, while the goal may be to transcend the game, while we are here, we are compelled to "fight the good fight" and help others that may be less fortunate "in the game." Unless we adopt the mindset of our oppressors.

YOU ARE PART OF THAT MATRIX TOO.  WE ARE ALL THE CREATOR.  Sorry to yell, but if you do not understand and accept that simple basic idea, there can be no productive discourse here.  There is truly nothing to be gained from inventing scapegoats.   Earth is exactly what Earth is supposed to be, and we have all made it what it is.

Earth is a playground.  An amusement park.  A scary movie.  An MMORPG.  We are collectively allowing ourselves to live on bizarro world specifically for the experience of living in ways completely contrary to the regular order of things.  And because accepting incarnations on such a planet allow us to learn and grow at a vastly accelerated pace.  As JFK once said, we do not do these things because they are easy.  We do them because they are hard.  Earth is a trial by fire by design.

Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever.  Just understand that it is your choice.  Yours. You are not forced, enslaved, disempowered, or in any other way compelled to participate in any activities.  If you feel it is your path to fight, then fight.  But it's not the "fault" of anyone but yourself that you are here and choosing to fight.    

And in the meantime, a single incarnation on Earth is but an eyeblink in the span of an entity's passage through existence.  Even an entire cycle of incarnations barely amounts to a weekend on the cosmic timescale.  All suffering on Earth ceases quite quickly in the grand scheme.  The point is what we can learn while going through it, and how much more quickly entities on planets such as Earth move through the densities due to those experiences.

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Ra even describes the exact opposite approach having been tried, a group of entities which were created 'hard wired' for a purely positive co-operative existence entirely lacking in conflict, without even the free will to choose otherwise.  And that experiment was deemed a failure specifically because the entities that resulted were so non-dynamic and unchanging that they took an eternity to grow out of Fourth Density, while basically giving the Creator no novel or interesting experiences during all that time. Fundamentally, one of our main purposes in life is to do interesting things, and Earth provides a true plethora of opportunities for that like almost nowhere else in the cosmos.

So basically, why not just enjoy the ride as best you can? If there's anything you're "supposed" to be doing here, that's it.

[Dante776]

Ref: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

Seems to me like quite the beautiful painting of both fear and pain, held in a play of paradoxal ideas and misconceptions.

That's your opinion, and I respect that.

[Dante776]

I'm not faulting Ra for taking sides. I'm saying that this entire system of duality, which forces "us" to choose sides was set up by the beings at the very top the represent the Universal Mind Matrix (which Ra is a part of). Many of the life forms that they have seeded are responsible for these distortions, especially Fallen Angelic forces that are behind our current system of domination and control, have's and have not's, rich and poor, crime and punishment, etc. So, while the goal may be to transcend the game, while we are here, we are compelled to "fight the good fight" and help others that may be less fortunate "in the game." Unless we adopt the mindset of our oppressors.

YOU ARE PART OF THAT MATRIX TOO.  WE ARE ALL THE CREATOR.  Sorry to yell, but if you do not understand and accept that simple basic idea, there can be no productive discourse here.  There is truly nothing to be gained from inventing scapegoats, because you're part of them.   Earth is exactly what Earth is supposed to be, and we have all made it what it is.

Earth is a playground.  An amusement park.  A scary movie.  An MMORPG.  We are collectively allowing ourselves to live on bizarro world specifically for the experience of living in ways completely contrary to the regular order of things.  And because accepting incarnations on such a planet allow us to learn and grow at a vastly accelerated pace.  As JFK once said, we do not do these things because they are easy.  We do them because they are hard.  Earth is a trial by fire by design.

Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever.  Just understand that it is your choice.  Yours. You are not forced, enslaved, disempowered, or in any other way compelled to participate in any activities.  If you feel it is your path to fight, then fight.  But it's not the "fault" of anyone but yourself that you are here and choosing to fight.    

And in the meantime, a single incarnation on Earth is but an eyeblink in the span of an entity's passage through existence.  Even an entire cycle of incarnations barely amounts to a weekend on the cosmic timescale.  All suffering on Earth ceases quite quickly in the grand scheme.  The point is what we can learn while going through it, and how much more quickly entities on planets such as Earth move through the densities due to those experiences.

You seem very confused! Or perhaps you just like discourse and argument fro the sake of Yelling!! Because, you're contradicting your own beliefs. Are you STO or STS? Because if you are the former, than how can you sit back and say "Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever." That sounds schizophrenic to me. Why does someone always have to be on the loosing end with you? Why do you have to make this a fight or test of wills? Is it because of your warring nature? I'm not the enemy here! The enemy is the system. And to recognize this is not scapegoating. Yes, Earth is trial by fire by design. And according to the Ra Material you move through densities based on your STO/STS orientation. Now, I don't base my service to others on these claims. I was STO long before I ever came across the Ra Material. And yes, it is my choice!! I get all of that!! Perhaps that is why Ra, the ascended masters, angels, demons or whatever I am dealing with chose me to go through this experience that I have described. Or, perhaps I agreed to go through it. We can't presume to be sure about everything the way that you are. I'm just doing what I feel compelled to do, and will express it the way that I see fit, weather you find it productive or not.

[Minyatur]

Ref: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

Seems to me like quite the beautiful painting of both fear and pain, held in a play of paradoxal ideas and misconceptions.

That's your opinion, and I respect that.

There's a fellow member who posted this song not too long ago, and I noticed this part (url) which kinda resonates with the energy of that point of view on harvest I would think. What follows the part aims to resolving the energy.

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https://youtu.be/ZVMIk3xYaYo?t=1114

[Root]
Our deadly sins feel his mortal wrath
Remove all obstacles from our path

[Second]
Asking questions
Search for clues
The answer's been right in front of you

[Third]
Try to break through
Long to connect
Fall on deaf ears and failed muted breath

[Fourth]
Loyalty, trust, faith and desire
Carries love through each darkest fire

[Fifth]
Tortured Insanity
A smothering hell
Try to escape but no avail

[Sixth]
The calls of admirers
Who claim they adore
Drain all your lifeblood while begging for more

[Seventh]
Innocent victims of merciless crimes
Fall prey to some madmen's impulsive designs

[Octave]
Step after step
We try controlling our fate
When we finally start living it has become too late

TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM
TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM

...

We move in circles
Balanced all the while
On a gleaming razor's edge

A perfect sphere
Colliding with our fate
This story ends where it began

[APeacefulWarrior]

Because, you're contradicting your own beliefs.   Are you STO or STS? Because if you are the former, than how can you sit back and say "Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever." That sounds schizophrenic to me.

You know, I cannot even begin to disentangle this or figure out what you actually think the terms "STO" or "STS" mean.  First you claim - falsely - that I'm telling you what to do, then when I quite explicitly illustrate your free will without at all telling you what to do, you get upset over that as well. Apparently it doesn't matter whether I tell you what to do, or not, you'll object either way.  (And while calling me confused and schizophrenic.)

I mean... it would appear you believe the STO way would be for me to tell you to fight!

You might also want to read the midsection of Session 25.  It addresses quite concretely why it's basically unproductive for STO and STS to seek out direct combat. Whether you fight any battles or not is ENTIRELY up to you, and has nothing to do with your chosen polarity. If you have come to associate being STO with fighting STS, then that is simply your choice.

And according to the Ra Material you move through densities based on your STO/STS orientation.

This is a major over-simplification of the materials.  The only time STO/STS have any major significance is in third density, and sixth.  In third density, polarization is a reflection of one's increasing self-empowerment and ability to take direct responsibility for their spiritual progress, along with their ability to generate Love. (I mentioned this previously in the thread, where I likened it to puberty.)  In sixth, polarity is abandoned entirely before an entity can move into seventh.  That's it.  STO/STS could be liked to scaffolding on the side of a building during its construction.  It's a useful prop for achieving certain ends, but something which will be removed and rendered completely unimportant by the time the work is complete.

Your posts seem to suggest you consider the scaffolding more important than the building!

The enemy is the system.

I'm sorry, but as long as you perceive "the system" as being "the enemy" you will always be fighting a battle you can never win.   You and "the enemy" are one in the same.  That is the essence of the Law of One. If you feel you must fight, then I'd suggest you at least endeavor to remember that it's only a game, and the board will be cleared someday in the future.

(If you play a game of Risk with your family, do you truly feel you are at war with them?)

[Dante776]

Because, you're contradicting your own beliefs.   Are you STO or STS? Because if you are the former, than how can you sit back and say "Don't fight the good fight, if you don't want to.  Don't fight any fight, if that's your choice.  Or do fight.  Whatever." That sounds schizophrenic to me.

You know, I cannot even begin to disentangle this or figure out what you actually think the terms "STO" or "STS" mean.  First you claim - falsely - that I'm telling you what to do, then when I quite explicitly illustrate your free will without at all telling you what to do, you get upset over that as well.   Apparently it doesn't matter whether I tell you what to do, or not, you'll object either way.   (And while calling me confused and schizophrenic.)

You might also want to read the midsection of Session 25.  It addresses quite concretely why it's basically unproductive for STO and STS to seek out direct combat.  Whether you fight any battles or not is ENTIRELY up to you, and has nothing to do with your chosen polarity.

And according to the Ra Material you move through densities based on your STO/STS orientation.

This is a major over-simplification of the materials.  The only time STO/STS have any major significance is in third density, and sixth.  In third density, polarization is a reflection of one's increasing self-empowerment and ability to take direct responsibility for their spiritual progress.  (I mentioned this previously in the thread, where I likened it to puberty.)  In sixth, polarity is abandoned entirely before an entity can move into seventh.  That's it.  STO/STS could be liked to scaffolding on the side of a building during its construction.  It's a useful prop for achieving certain ends, but something which will be removed and rendered completely unimportant by the time the work is complete.

Your posts seem to suggest you consider the scaffolding more important than the building!

The enemy is the system.

I'm sorry, but as long as you perceive "the system" as being "the enemy" you will always be fighting a battle you can never win.   You and "the enemy" are one in the same.  That is the essence of the Law of One.  If you feel you must fight, then at least endeavor to remember that it truly is only a game, and the board will be cleared someday in the future.

There you are taking things personally again. I wasn't calling YOU schizophrenic. I said "That sounds schizophrenic." Meaning the point you were making. STO/STS means the same to me that it does to you and everybody else. There's no ambiguity there. The Ra Material actually speaks to the point I made:

Ra Says:
I am Ra. The Law of Confusion or Free Will is utterly paramount in the workings of the infinite creation. That which is intended has as much intensity of attraction to the polar opposite as the intensity of the intention or desire.

Thus those whose desires are shallow or transitory experience only ephemeral configurations of what might be called the magical circumstance. There is a turning point, a fulcrum which swings as a mind/body/spirit complex tunes its will to service. If this will and desire is for service to others the corresponding polarity will be activated.

We may note that such a configuration of free will, one-pointed in service to others, also has the potential for the alerting of a great mass of light strength. This positive light strength, however, operates also under free will and must be invoked.

So you're right, it doesn't matter that you tell me what to do, or not to do. It's not necessary to tell that to anyone. Just let it be. People will naturally choose their own path.

Your posts seem to suggest you consider the scaffolding more important than the building!

Only while we are in third density. All while keeping the greater goal of "the building" in mind.

I'm sorry, but as long as you perceive "the system" as being "the enemy" you will always be fighting a battle you can never win.   You and "the enemy" are one in the same.  That is the essence of the Law of One. If you feel you must fight, then at least endeavor to remember that it truly is only a game, and the board will be cleared someday in the future.

No, pardon me, but the enemy is "within" as well as "without." We can still realize it's a game while at the same time helping others who may be suffering from the effects of the game. If everyone took the position that the enemy is only within and only focused on themselves we would have no teachers, doctors, nurses, conservationists, emergency techs, environmentalists, Red Cross, American Civil Liberties, Civil Rights, politics, law...I think you get the point. They key word for me is balance, regardless of what the material says.

However, judging from you last quote it sounds like you have chosen the STS path. I may be wrong but that's what it sounds like. And there is nothing wrong with that if that is your choice because we are all supposed to have "free will" (arguably). All will be reconciled once were all in the building anyways, right?

[APeacefulWarrior]

No, pardon me, but the enemy is "within" as well as "without." We can still realize it's a game while at the same time helping others who may be suffering from the effects of the game. If everyone took the position that the enemy is only within and only focused on themselves we would have no teachers, doctors, nurses, conservationists, emergency techs, environmentalists, Red Cross, American Civil Liberties, Civil Rights, politics, law...I think you get the point. They key word for me is balance, regardless of what the material says.

However, judging from you last quote it sounds like you have chosen the STS path. I may be wrong but that's what it sounds like. And there is nothing wrong with that if that is your choice because we are all supposed to have "free will" (arguably). All will be reconciled once were all in the building anyways, right?

First, I never said anything about "within" vs "without." You're totally mischaracterizing what I said. And I certainly never said that you shouldn't try to help others! I'm not sure if this is honest misunderstanding, or what. However, either way, what I said would in no way imply we shouldn't have teachers and doctors.

More than anything: Understanding this is all a Game, and we are all One, means one can play the Game while still retaining full love and compassion for those on both sides, as well as understanding that erstwhile "enemies" today could just as easily be friends on the other side - like pro wrestlers in the locker room after a heated match.

And beyond that, I'm not telling you what to write, but... Well, since you say you're new around here I'll just let you know it is considered very poor form - and just downright gauche - to play the "Gee, you sound like a NEGATIVE to me! Not that there's anything wrong with that" game when someone says something you disagree with. There are many different ways for either polarity to express, and it's impossible for any of us to truly know what is in another person's heart.

Playing the labeling game accomplishes nothing aside from being needlessly divisive.

STO/STS means the same to me that it does to you and everybody else. There's no ambiguity there.

OK, you have officially convinced me that it's time to stop trying to discuss this with you. I explained rather clearly how your interpretation of STO/STS and mine differ. And it certainly seems to be at the root of your misinterpretations of what I said. For you to claim that not just me but everyone assigns STO/STS the same meaning... you are literally trying to claim that your interpretations of STO\STS are the only possible interpretations. And that is in no way reflected by the membership of this board, much less myself. I've been trying to explain my point of view and how it differs from yours, but in this one sentence, you made clear the pointlessness of trying to talk to you about different views on the topic.

Goodnight.

[Dante776]

No, pardon me, but the enemy is "within" as well as "without." We can still realize it's a game while at the same time helping others who may be suffering from the effects of the game. If everyone took the position that the enemy is only within and only focused on themselves we would have no teachers, doctors, nurses, conservationists, emergency techs, environmentalists, Red Cross, American Civil Liberties, Civil Rights, politics, law...I think you get the point. They key word for me is balance, regardless of what the material says.

However, judging from you last quote it sounds like you have chosen the STS path. I may be wrong but that's what it sounds like. And there is nothing wrong with that if that is your choice because we are all supposed to have "free will" (arguably). All will be reconciled once were all in the building anyways, right?

First, I never said anything about "within" vs "without."  You're totally mischaracterizing what I said.  And I certainly never said that you shouldn't try to help others!   I'm not sure if this is honest misunderstanding, or what.  However, either way, what I said would in no way imply we shouldn't have teachers and doctors.

More than anything:  Understanding this is all a Game, and we are all One, means one can play the Game while still retaining full love and compassion for those on both sides.

And beyond that, I'm not telling you what to write, but...  Well, since you say you're new around here I'll just let you know it is considered very poor form - and just downright gauche - to play the "Gee, you sound like a NEGATIVE to me!  Not that there's anything wrong with that" game when someone says something you disagree with.  There are many different ways for either polarity to express, and it's impossible for any of us to truly know what is in another person's heart.

Playing the labeling game accomplishes nothing aside from being needlessly divisive.  

STO/STS means the same to me that it does to you and everybody else. There's no ambiguity there.

OK, you have officially convinced me that it's time to stop trying to discuss this with you.  I explained rather clearly how your interpretation of STO/STS and mine differ.  And it certainly seems to be at the root of your misinterpretations of what I said.  For you to claim that not just me but everyone assigns STO/STS the same meaning...  you are literally trying to claim that your interpretations of STO\STS are the only possible interpretations.  And that is in no way reflected by the membership of this board, much less myself.  I've been trying to explain my point of view and how it differs from yours, but in this one sentence, you made clear the pointlessness of trying to talk to you about different views on the topic.

Goodnight.

You and "the enemy" are one in the same.

I'm sorry but you did say 'You and "the enemy" are one in the same.' Maybe you should have clarified that a little better. I still feel that my interpretation is applicable however, because in the "real world," people who know nothing at all about Law of One teachings are not going to LOVE the people or circumstances that are oppressing them. That makes for good philosophy, and some in this community may feel that way, but it's just not something I expect to see play out in the real world. At least not for a long, long time.
 

More than anything: Understanding this is all a Game, and we are all One, means one can play the Game while still retaining full love and compassion for those on both sides.

I think we're saying the same thing when I said "Balance" but you won't acknowledge this. Anyway, I'll say it again, this makes for good philosophy, but you'll never see this play out in the Matrix. Not until the game is over.

I explained rather clearly how your interpretation of STO/STS and mine differ.

There is no your interpretation vs my interpretation. There is just one interpretation. We can argue over the fine points but the meaning IS the same for everyone.

I've been trying to explain my point of view and how it differs from yours, but in this one sentence, you made clear the pointlessness of trying to talk to you about different views on the topic.

That's because you are a contrarian and must find some difference in what anyone says that is the slightest bit different than what you think. But that's Ok. That's what makes us all special in our own unique ways.

Goodnight.

[Dante776]

This is an excerpt from an article entitled "What Does The Law of One’s ‘Harvest’ Really Mean?" by Gregg Prescott, M.S.

Do you REALLY want to be “harvested”?

Imagine a fleet of UFOs who come to this planet for the “harvest”.  The extraterrestrials tell you that you are a service to others person and are ready for your next level of spirituality.  They promise to bring you to either your planet of origin (Pleiades, Lyra, Arcturus, etc…) or to a 5th dimensional planet where you will no longer be held down in this 3rd dimensional reality.

Would you willingly be harvested like an ear of corn?

Would you leave because, in your mind, anywhere else MUST be better than here?

We have lost our connection with the infinite creator source who stands in the light of truth and love.  While we all carry that spark of divinity, the flame has significantly dwindled as those in power keep us perpetually living in fear.  Additionally, many people will give away what little power they have to religion, governments, money, etc… and will refuse to see how their power has been hijacked by these controlling entities.

The central character in the Law of One is Ra.  Ra is a “sun god” and is also known as Amon (Amen) Ra.  According to Robert Morning Sky’s research, the Ra lineage eventually became the Rockefellers (Ra-Ka-Pharoahs) and the and Rothschild (RA-KA-M = Ra-KAM <KAM = shield> = Ra-Shield = Rothschild) families.

How much do you trust the Ra-kefellers and the Ra-thschild families?

How much do you trust Ra?

In the Sumerian texts, Ra is known as Marduk, Enki’s first born son (sun).  The etymology of Marduk is as follows: MAR (MR = son of ) DUK (dog – Sirius).  Marduk, the “sun” of a Sirian god, is literally a son of a b****!

In chapter 8 of the 14 Tablets of Enki, it is stated, “At the first harvest there is a celebration and the two twin earthling men make their offerings to the kings two sons.”

No matter which origin you choose, Ra will always be a false “god” and is by no means, the infinite creator source who stands in the light of truth and love.

Ref: http://in5d.com/what-does-the-law-of-one...ally-mean/

New Age Deception : The Soul Harvest Agenda

[loostudent]

According to Robert Morning Sky’s research, the Ra lineage eventually became the Rockefellers (Ra-Ka-Pharoahs) and the and Rothschild (RA-KA-M = Ra-KAM <KAM = shield> = Ra-Shield = Rothschild) families.

Sorry but this is no research. Conspiracy theory unreasonable argumentation doesn't belong in intellectually honest discussion.

[Dante776]

According to Robert Morning Sky’s research, the Ra lineage eventually became the Rockefellers (Ra-Ka-Pharoahs) and the and Rothschild (RA-KA-M = Ra-KAM <KAM = shield> = Ra-Shield = Rothschild) families.

Sorry but this is no research. Conspiracy theory unreasonable argumentation doesn't belong in intellectually honest discussion.

No less credible than the works of Drunvalo Melchizedek, Paul Lowe, Dolores Cannon, John Newbrough, Helen Schucman or anyone else for that matter. Nothing should be accepted outright without researching and drawing your own conclusions.

Terra Papers Hidden History of Planet Earth by Robert Morning Sky...

Terra Papers by Robert Morning Sky
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear..._and_2.pdf

Additional Ref:
https://servicetoone.wordpress.com/2009/...hapter2-2/
https://www.scribd.com/document/19388401...-Wes-Penre
http://www.auricmedia.net/supriem-rockef...sed-satan/

[Dante776]

43.7 Questioner: These other second-density types need the blood to remain in the physical? Do they come in and out of our physical density from one of the astral planes?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are, shall we say, creatures of the Orion group. They do not exist in astral planes as do the thought-forms but wait within the Earth’s surface. We, as always, remind you that it is our impression that this type of information is unimportant. unimportant ???

Ref:

URGENT WARNING

Why Are Aliens Tracking People With Rhesus Negative Blood Type

The Original Sin was the Mix between Human DNA and the DNA of the Fallen Angels.

[Minyatur]

43.7 Questioner: These other second-density types need the blood to remain in the physical? Do they come in and out of our physical density from one of the astral planes?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are, shall we say, creatures of the Orion group. They do not exist in astral planes as do the thought-forms but wait within the Earth’s surface. We, as always, remind you that it is our impression that this type of information is unimportant. unimportant ???

Ref:

URGENT WARNING

Why Are Aliens Tracking People With Rhesus Negative Blood Type

The Original Sin was the Mix between Human DNA and the DNA of the Fallen Angels.

I guess they don't want their service to be used to feed the first type of second-density being that they were talking about. Seems like sharing an information that no one reading it holds much potential to do something about would do little more than just that.

Personally I think that fear does little more than hinder growth as spiritual entities, once it's rooted it needs to be worked with over time to see the self free from fear.

[Ra1111]

An observation I have made over years of spiritual people watching is that so many spiritual neo’s (BA-dump) reference “the matrix” as the wachowski sisters film
Trilogy depicts

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Surprisingly enough I loved the Matrix as was, but watching it after finding the Law of One blew my mind in all new kinds of ways.

They really did their research for the first Matrix film.

It's a shame the sequels were meh despite a deep and very confusing story with regards to Neo's transcendent use of his powers outside of the Matrix (actually it's explained good enough that I think I understood what was happening, but everyone else's opinions make me question my own).

They even managed to display concepts like ego death, spiritual rebirth, seeing with new eyes, polarization protection (One Neo with a stationary chaingun, vs 3 agents, he should've been shot...), and even concepts like unity prevailed when even a program was treated with the respect as if alive, and EVEN FURTHER the entire Oracle/Architect dichotomy was a perfect summary of how Logic and Wisdom see each other (oh wait that was the third movie.)

The idea I took away was just as Agent Smith was in potential 'everyone', Neo was the Manifest One (singularity) vs the Potentiated Many (if they made Smith a she we'd even have a overlap with the divine feminine).  And the idea was Neo, in love, sacrificed himself to unify the Many back into harmony.

I badly want a remake of the Matrix trilogy or a new sequel, or prequel showcasing the apocalyptic origins.  Or an anime that isn't obscure and disjointed like the Animatrix.

But nooo, it's all super hero and Disney crud.  I'd pay $14 dollars or whatever to see a new Matrix even if its reminiscent of Terminator: Judgment Day (which sucked), because I want to experience more of that universe regardless, it's nostalgic and if I got to see a common day rendition of The Birth of The Matrix (prequel) or, The Matrix Reboot (sequel), or anything giving more story on the entire story.

Well, that'd be great!
But no, just more of the usual Hollywood crap.

I want a Chronicle prequel (chronicle is an incredible film of some average boys stumbling upon an underground crystal that is later quarantined by the military but only after the boys begin developing Telekinesis), or more stuff by Christopher Nolan, something akin to Inception or Interstellar.

I'll even take a decent psychological thriller, or a damn Halo movie trilogy.  Or something similar to District 9...

Why have you forsaken good entertainment hollywwwood, wwwhhhhhyyyyyy@@

[Aion]

I dunno man, Dr. Strange was pretty incredible on the philosophical side.

[Minyatur]

I dunno man, Dr. Strange was pretty incredible on the philosophical side.

Arrival (2016) has been my favorite alien movie, a lot of deepness.

[MangusKhan]

I dunno man, Dr. Strange was pretty incredible on the philosophical side.

That it was. I almost couldn't believe it was a mainstream hollywood flick, it was so filled with esoteric philosophy and metaphysics. I guess the film industry has to accommodate the fact that people are waking up.