Logos completion and individuality
02-08-2018, 02:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-08-2018, 03:01 PM by loostudent.)
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Logos completion and individuality
Quote:"Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness."

"The seventh-density being, the completed being, the Creator who knows Itself, accumulates mass and compacts into the One Creator once again."

"This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion." (Ra)

What is Logos completion? What happens to Logos? Is this:
a) the ultimate death of each entity of this octave,
b) some kind of resting state in unity or
c) does the journey continue?
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02-08-2018, 02:59 PM,
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Looks like 8th density is a timeless state:

Quote:Thus the transition of the octave is a process which may be seen to enter into timelessness of unimaginable nature.
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02-09-2018, 01:13 PM,
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(02-08-2018, 02:50 PM)loostudent Wrote:  
Quote:"Each entity is only superficially that which blooms and dies. In the deeper sense there is no end to beingness."

"The seventh-density being, the completed being, the Creator who knows Itself, accumulates mass and compacts into the One Creator once again."

"This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion." (Ra)

What is Logos completion? What happens to Logos? Is this:
a) the ultimate death of each entity of this octave,
b) some kind of resting state in unity or
c) does the journey continue?


It is the subconscious arguments about reality, life, and meaning that we play out every day of our life. Once they are consciously realized, then they are evaluated, modified, or adjusted. Balanced if you will. Doing this consciously is 7th density, otherwise the typical time for argument adjustment is simply as the larger bodies of this solar system move towards or against each-other.

It is being the puppet vs the puppet master. 7th density, and 8th density consciousness is learning to be comfortable with both as the impacts of consciously changing the fundamentals and alignments of the incarnation are experienced and balanced.
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02-09-2018, 09:55 PM,
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First:

Logos is Greek for "speech, discourse, reasoning" (see: logic, interlocutor, lecture, loquacious, the -logy suffix, etc). That is to say: a principle of outflowing organization. This is why the Bible reads "in the beginning was the Word". The faculty of "speech" or "voice" used to have much more powerful connotations millennia ago (the relative undistortedness of Hebrew, for example). Some traces of this can be readily observed in modern magical terms such as "grimmoire " (ie. grammar), "spell" (the casting of), "invocation/evocation" (to vocalize or call in/out), "enchantment" (to chant; eg. Gregorian style), etc.

Quote:Special mention should be given to the Tower of Babble (Babel) and the "confusion of tongues" (the perversion of language). Parallel this with the gargantuan levels of illiteracy exhibited today: the inability to "read" or "spell" is symptomatic of a lack of attention/care (Love), tied to basic pattern recognition, and consequently absence of wisdom in its most minimal faculties of discernment (to perceive deeply, to tell b@llshit apart from truth). This illiteracy then results in susceptibility at being manipulated by those who know how to cast a "spell" (just turn on your Tell-lie-Vision, take a look at politics, bureaucracy, legislation, mass media: soft neurolinguistic programming at work). Why are thousands of millions of people hypnotized by single speaker on a podium, after all? Witness the programming of a nation of robots.

The Logos or "Word" of God is, by its very nature, a principle of activity, and hence, creativity. These concepts (activity/creativity) are indistinguishable, as any movement, utterance or vibration is inevitably creative: it effects a change one state to another. Contrast this with inactivity, stasis or changelessness which, following the analogy, would be Silence: Infinity at rest, the pure potentiality from which the "Words" or Logoi are uttered.

And that is the Logos, in essence and function. The "second distortion", as Ra calls it: Love, the Original Thought, the focusing, organizing, ordering principle; the power of deeply-held attention.

With that in mind, the following may hopefully be more coherently addressed:

Quote:What is Logos completion? What happens to Logos?

What must inevitably happen once any eye is opened: it is, eventually, closed. "Lights on. Lights out." Except the Creator/Infinity is not limited to just one pair of eyes. As such, Logos completion merely refers to the finalization of Creation and the re-absorption of 7D's "spiritual mass" into Infinity.

Quote:a) the ultimate death of each entity of this octave,

Except there are no "entities" (ie. plural, separate, fractal little egos of apparently varied identities). There is only One, and that One is Infinity: pure, undistorted, changeless, immeasurable, absolute potential perfectly at rest "awaiting" its "next" potentiation.

Only those unwilling/incapable to "lose" their cherished (id)entity may throw tantrums of resistance or rejection at inevitability. Regardless: these too are bound to "surrender" their attachments, in time, and in so doing dispel the illusion to uncover Reality.

The ego or sense of individual "self" is only carried over and retained from 3D thru 5D (with some overlay/bleedthrough occurring very late in 2D and early portions of 6D). As such, it is neither necessary nor expected for 3D entities to grasp the concept of true selflessness (especially considering 3D is the first density/dimension whereupon the notion of self-identity is attained and asserted, so the fascination with "selfhood" is not unsurprising).

Along the course of 6D the sense of "individuality" will be completely abandoned/outgrown. This will continue until all portions of separatedness are melded/fused into a new unified amalgamation more closely reflecting the nature of the Creator (this would be, to the keen observer, the reverse opposite of what occurs along the course of 2D wherein the cellular/genetic mass splits into many separate proto-entities via asexual reproductive processes over billions of years to eventually result in the distinctively separate animal/plants lifeforms with likewise partitioned male/female functionality as commonly understood).

By 7D even that "collective singularity" of 6D will be relinquished in preparation to the re-absorption and dissolution into Infinity. No memory, no past, no future, no history, no (id)entity. At the verge of Reality.

Quote:b) some kind of resting state in unity or

Once fulfilled or exhausted of its limits, Creation is systematically consummated or re-absorbed back into Infinity to return to absolute potential perfectly at rest. In that sense, yes, a true Unity/Infinity.

This only occurs once 7D has achieved a sufficient state of "spiritual gravity", however.

Quote:c) does the journey continue?

Every Creation's end is spelled the moment it is begun. The "journey" is the Creation: the evolutionary progression or transition of consciousness from the red vibratory spectrum to the violet. So yes, that which is born from the Creator must inevitably die in the Creator (beyond the rainbow, beyond the holographically kaleidoscopic Light Show).

Thus, it ends the same way it begun: in that unspeakable Reality (the true Mystery), a timeless, spaceless, changeless state of absolutely immeasurable potentiality.

The process of Creation, however, is infinitely free and bound to continue ever-presently.
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02-10-2018, 04:46 PM,
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Salt, you are right. SMC in 6d is still a group of entities only unified - they are of one oreientation, understanding their social beingness, completely see each the other’s thoughts, feelings, and motives. In 7d the SMC becomes "one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." Beyond space/time only the present exists.

But at the end of previous octave still something remained - a harvest for this octave. Ra said: "we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all." What does this mean? Is there a possibility that they don't reach next density in this cycle of creation?
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02-10-2018, 05:00 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 04:46 PM)loostudent Wrote:  Salt, you are right. SMC in 6d is still a group of entities only unified - they are of one oreientation, understanding their social beingness, completely see each the other’s thoughts, feelings, and motives. In 7d the SMC becomes "one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." Beyond space/time only the present exists.

But at the end of previous octave still something remained - a harvest for this octave. Ra said: "we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all." What does this mean? Is there a possibility that they don't reach next density in this cycle of creation?

In 3D you are self-aware. In 4D you are aware of a social memory, in 5D you are aware that wisdom is light and that this light can be manipulated/distorted, in 6D you are aware that you are the light itself, and so I predict in 7D you become aware that you are all light that ever was and will be. Thereby you rest in all interaction between Creator and Itself.

There is no loss, only gain, where each step up the densities is a step up in awareness.
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02-10-2018, 05:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-10-2018, 05:02 PM by Glow.)
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(02-09-2018, 09:55 PM)Salt Wrote:  
Quote:What is Logos completion? What happens to Logos?

What must inevitably happen once any eye is opened: it is, eventually, closed. "Lights on. Lights out." Except the Creator/Infinity is not limited to just one pair of eyes. As such, Logos completion merely refers to the finalization of Creation and the re-absorption of 7D's "spiritual mass" into Infinity.


Quote:a) the ultimate death of each entity of this octave,

Except there are no "entities" (ie. plural, separate, fractal little egos of apparently varied identities). There is only One, and that One is Infinity: pure, undistorted, changeless, immeasurable, absolute potential perfectly at rest "awaiting" its "next" potentiation.

Only those unwilling/incapable to "lose" their cherished (id)entity may throw tantrums of resistance or rejection at inevitability. Regardless: these too are bound to "surrender" their attachments, in time, and in so doing dispel the illusion to uncover Reality.

The ego or sense of individual "self" is only carried over and retained from 3D thru 5D (with some overlay/bleedthrough occurring very late in 2D and early portions of 6D). As such, it is neither necessary nor expected for 3D entities to grasp the concept of true selflessness (especially considering 3D is the first density/dimension whereupon the notion of self-identity is attained and asserted, so the fascination with "selfhood" is not unsurprising).

Along the course of 6D the sense of "individuality" will be completely abandoned/outgrown. This will continue until all portions of separatedness are melded/fused into a new unified amalgamation more closely reflecting the nature of the Creator (this would be, to the keen observer, the reverse opposite of what occurs along the course of 2D wherein the cellular/genetic mass splits into many separate proto-entities via asexual reproductive processes over billions of years to eventually result in the distinctively separate animal/plants lifeforms with likewise partitioned male/female functionality as commonly understood).

By 7D even that "collective singularity" of 6D will be relinquished in preparation to the re-absorption and dissolution into Infinity. No memory, no past, no future, no history, no (id)entity. At the verge of Reality.


Quote:b) some kind of resting state in unity or

Once fulfilled or exhausted of its limits, Creation is systematically consummated or re-absorbed back into Infinity to return to absolute potential perfectly at rest. In that sense, yes, a true Unity/Infinity.

This only occurs once 7D has achieved a sufficient state of "spiritual gravity", however.


Quote:c) does the journey continue?

Every Creation's end is spelled the moment it is begun. The "journey" is the Creation: the evolutionary progression or transition of consciousness from the red vibratory spectrum to the violet. So yes, that which is born from the Creator must inevitably die in the Creator (beyond the rainbow, beyond the holographically kaleidoscopic Light Show).

Thus, it ends the same way it begun: in that unspeakable Reality (the true Mystery), a timeless, spaceless, changeless state of absolutely immeasurable potentiality.

The process of Creation, however, is infinitely free and bound to continue ever-presently.

Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.
The beginning and end is both complete and just beginning a new.

This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do. You doing it may have depended on your belief in free will and choice do do so but from another place in time it had already happened. It was always going to happen.
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02-10-2018, 05:24 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 05:01 PM)Glow Wrote:  Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.
The beginning and end is both complete and just beginning a new.

This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do. You doing it may have depended on your belief in free will and choice do do so but from another place in time it had already happened. It was always going to happen.

I tend to disagree with this.

I think there has always been a path laid out for us back to Creator as a function of evolution, but it is our freewill choices along that path that allows for the surprises, delays, shortcuts, twists and turns. It gives our journey even more uniqueness and intrigue.

I think that's why 3d is so powerful a density, you can change timelines that stretch out eons of time just by making conscious choices throughout your day.
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02-10-2018, 05:47 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 05:24 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  
(02-10-2018, 05:01 PM)Glow Wrote:  Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.
The beginning and end is both complete and just beginning a new.

This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do. You doing it may have depended on your belief in free will and choice do do so but from another place in time it had already happened. It was always going to happen.

I tend to disagree with this.

I think there has always been a path laid out for us back to Creator as a function of evolution, but it is our freewill choices along that path that allows for the surprises, delays, shortcuts, twists and turns. It gives our journey even more uniqueness and intrigue.

I think that's why 3d is so powerful a density, you can change timelines that stretch out eons of time just by making conscious choices throughout your day.
Maybe that is your journey. We have to believe our decision matter to make the appropriate choice but set in stone and freewill(at eternal now) aren’t actually mutually exclusive. Outside of time we can move back to the past and make the same freewill decision that was always made and it can still just be happening.

No worries if we don’t agree.
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02-10-2018, 06:00 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 05:47 PM)Glow Wrote:  Maybe that is your journey. We have to believe our decision matter to make the appropriate choice but set in stone and freewill(at eternal now) aren’t actually mutually exclusive. Outside of time we can move back to the past and make the same freewill decision that was always made and it can still just be happening.

No worries if we don’t agree.

I thought you were making a case for determinism, but I can see now that you weren't. I think we probably mostly agree, it's just hard to convey these thoughts in language. Smile
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02-10-2018, 07:22 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 05:00 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  There is no loss, only gain, where each step up the densities is a step up in awareness.

The whole evolution process is meaningles if all is just an illusion and after being born (many times) in 3d and all the strguggle and evolving through densities you are annihilated in "nirvana". It is as you haven't existed. It seems nihilistic.
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02-10-2018, 07:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-10-2018, 07:57 PM by Louisabell.)
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(02-10-2018, 07:22 PM)loostudent Wrote:  
(02-10-2018, 05:00 PM)Louisabell Wrote:  There is no loss, only gain, where each step up the densities is a step up in awareness.

The whole evolution process is meaningles if all is just an illusion and after being born (many times) in 3d and all the strguggle and evolving through densities you are annihilated in "nirvana". It is as you haven't existed. It seems nihilistic.

I think it seems nihilistic because it is a nihilistic point of view! I love this quote from Ra:

Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

I think Ra is saying here that we are to become fully self-actualized individuals before we proceed to another density. Our native density is what intensity of light we are comfortable with because of all the knowledge and skill we've gained, not lost.
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02-10-2018, 09:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 02-10-2018, 10:27 PM by Salt.)
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(02-10-2018, 04:46 PM)loostudent Wrote:  Ra said: "we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all." What does this mean? Is there a possibility that they don't reach next density in this cycle of creation?

There are "apertures" or "windows of opportunity" for all such things. Cycles within cycles, if you will. Not unlike rigorously-tuned clockwork mechanisms. Or the seasons, if you prefer: although some flowers may sprout in winter, it is far more common for flowers to sprout more profusely and successfully during spring. Thus, when the clock strikes the hour, advancement into the next dimension/density is most readily attainable.

Ra is/are in 6D. Unless "they" manage/wish to graduate during the cycle, 7D will be properly "activated" at some later point (no different than this sphere undergoing full 4D activation presently, facilitating transition on a massive scale). Those of Ra may still have some "karmic ties" to untangle, so to speak. Their evolution may very well be (more or less) predicated upon some such small mishap(s). Hence, their "humble efforts" remark.

Either way: everything reaches 7D at "sooner" or "later". All of Creation consolidates at that point before the Grand Illusion is over.

(02-10-2018, 05:01 PM)Glow Wrote:  Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.

There is no time, except in the illusion of separetedness as experienced by evolving beings (whether pre-ego, with ego, or post-ego) across the dimensions/densities. Without such illusory limitations (time or space) there could be no experiential measurement of growth or progression and the ultimate realization of Infinity would be unattainable.

Quote:This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do

Freewill, as commonly (mis)understood, is only possible within an illusion of separatedness. This should be self-evident. Within this (limited) context, you are "free" do do what you will.

However, there is ultimately, obviously, only One Will: the Creator/Infinity's.

This is difficult enough to accept for those who cherish their apparent individuality (especially in a world which worships and glorifies identity and self-expression to the point of unbridled extravagance and maniacal obsession—from music/film "celebrities" and other such "idols" of practically deified status, down to the more mitigated but not any less widespread "selfie" phenomenon of recent years).

Quote:Most 3D planetary civilizations (despite being similarly veiled) don't suffer this affliction. This one ("Earth") finds itself in categorically distinct situation in that you have a hodge-podge of mismatching 3D races (from completely different planetary origins) thrown together in the same bowl, so to speak. The added fact that most of these races are 3D-grade repeaters (the Denebian/Lemurian/Mongoloid race being the noted exception) doesn't particularly help in terms of stimulating graduation/harvestability. These are too "stuck" in their orange and yellow considerations, to the point of severe blockage.

(02-10-2018, 07:22 PM)loostudent Wrote:  The whole evolution process is meaningles if all is just an illusion and after being born (many times) in 3d and all the strguggle and evolving through densities you are annihilated in "nirvana". It is as you haven't existed. It seems nihilistic.

This is because "you" haven't yet realized there is no "you", only Infinity.

And yes, it is nihilistic. But not in a butthurt-Nietzche sense (who perverted the true significance of this word the same way some Freud perverted the "ego"). It may be more eloquently articulated by the Latin saying:

Quote:Creatio ex Nihilo

"Creation from Nothing."

This No-Thing being, of course, Infinity itself: the Uncreated Creator resting in absolute potential only "periodically awakened" by Its own Willpower/Volition to Love/Focus, manifesting as Light, from which material the "Creation of Limits" is systematically articulated and the illusory foundation of separatedness laid out for "you" to, eventually, arise. And likewise, eventually, dissolve.

"You" were never that thing, after all.

"You" are No-Thing: immeasurable, unbound, absolute Oneness/Infinity.
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02-11-2018, 09:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-11-2018, 10:02 AM by loostudent.)
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If all ends in the One Creator, then free will lies in deciding how will you travel. You can delay or you can stick to the narrow path. "Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly."

Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine that creation/separation is not real. I can't accept that Creator and creation is like Tom Hanks with a ball named Wilson in the movie Cast Away. It was relationship with that ball that kept him alive despite being illusory substitute until he returned back to society. Or the story of Narcissus having a crush on his own reflection in the water, or the suicidal lemmings, or the story of Sisyphus ...

If everything is illusion then everything falls - ethics, progress, perfection. I am a piece of nothing and you are a piece of nothing. Nothing matters and it doesn't matter what you do. Everything is the same - equaly piece of s*** (sorry).

All ends in mystery but I believe that creation is real and we can at least anticipate where it is going. There is entropy but everything is striving for preservation, closer connection, more unified relationship. Social complex --> smc --> one with all (includes relationship with things we now percieve as inanimate). I think this is what gaining in spiritual mass means. It seems the end is a plenum (we are back to the old paradox of plenum/void infinity). I imagine it (metaphoricaly) like a big heavenly family, integrathing everything (noone and nothing is expelled). Light is intensified with each next density. More the light, more wee see. So creation will appear richer, more varied, more full of life ...
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02-11-2018, 12:10 PM,
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(02-10-2018, 05:01 PM)Glow Wrote:  Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.
The beginning and end is both complete and just beginning a new.

This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do. You doing it may have depended on your belief in free will and choice do do so but from another place in time it had already happened. It was always going to happen.

Glow, everything happens instantaneously because there is no time, so you are correct that all that you will ever do as an entity has already been done by you. But it was done by you, as a choice made in every one of those moments.

To use a metaphor, if each moment of your existence as a soul is a single pixel on a giant screen - it was still you who chose the precise color of each pixel; to you it appeared to happen one pixel at a time; to God it seemed to happen instantly/timelessly - but it was still your free will that created the whole picture.
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loostudent, you are right - the Creation is what the Creator pours his "heart and soul" into, metaphorically speaking. The Creator is the Creation's beloved, but also vice versa: the Creation is the Creator's beloved. It is the Creator's principal activity, as far as we know. It's important.

I think it's also essential to distinguish between the meanings of illusion and hallucination.

A hallucination is a false perception of something that is not actually there, does not exist.

An illusion is a perception of something that exists - but in such a way that it appears to be something else.

Illusion best describes what we see around us. It has been meticulously and lovingly crafted to appear to be a self-contained world of multiplicity, where, as Quo says, what is ultimately real appears the least real, and vice versa. It's a marvel.
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02-11-2018, 03:43 PM,
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(02-11-2018, 12:10 PM)Stranger Wrote:  
(02-10-2018, 05:01 PM)Glow Wrote:  Except all this rests on a belief in there being actual time outside the illusion.
The beginning and end is both complete and just beginning a new.

This is why I find free will an issue. It's already done what ever you are going to do. You doing it may have depended on your belief in free will and choice do do so but from another place in time it had already happened. It was always going to happen.

Glow, everything happens instantaneously because there is no time, so you are correct that all that you will ever do as an entity has already been done by you.  But it was done by you, as a choice made in every one of those moments.  

To use a metaphor, if each moment of your existence as a soul is a single pixel on a giant screen - it was still you who chose the precise color of each pixel; to you it appeared to happen one pixel at a time; to God it seemed to happen instantly/timelessly - but it was still your free will that created the whole picture.
Exactly! And once you know this in your bones life gets so much better doesn't it! Whats to worry about? Everything is exactly as its meant to be, stop struggling, unless of course you are still supposed to be struggling, always a rabbit hole. Blush
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