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    Thread: Random thoughts on immigration, STO purity, and positive/negative separation


    Infinite Unity (Offline)

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    06-23-2019, 07:51 AM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2019, 07:54 AM by Infinite Unity.)
    (06-22-2019, 09:59 AM)Minyatur Wrote:
    (06-19-2019, 03:57 AM)Ray711 Wrote: I think we can all agree that a completely pure STO entity would be of the mentality of complete open boarders for everyone (not just as related to country, but in regards to the entity's own house as well). There are a lot of implications for that here in 3rd density, and lots of arguments to make on both sides of the discussion as to the viability of this. However, I want to put this topic in relation to the notion that the two separate paths (STS and STO) in higher densities are just that; separate. The Confederation has gone on record saying that the two polarities "don't work well together". The implications of this in regard to the subject of immigration are big, if not downright hypocritical, because a basic motivation in the desire for strict immigration control (aside from downright xenophobic views) is the desire to keep potential individuals of an STS-like mentality away from that which one perceives as belonging to the self (of course, this viewpoint can be questioned on the grounds that one's own country also has STS individuals).

    Still, Creation itself seems to be built on concepts of, shall we say, strict immigration control. The well of 4th density positive can't be poisoned with the negativity of those not sufficiently polarized STO, or so seems to be the idea.

    Perhaps the important aspect of it is that polarity is relatively transient, and definitely mutable. Someone may not be "good enough" for 4th density positive at one particular point in time, but with enough time and work, anyone and everyone can potentially get there, if they so wish. This is in direct contrast with some far-right views of completely closing access into one's country to all people of any given race, nationality or religion.

    On the topic of reaching absolute purity in STO, this following quote from Ra is relevant:


    Quote:25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

    Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.

    This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.

    It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.

    This is worrisome to me, because it implies that simply being loving is not enough to deter negativity, which is precisely the very mindset of the many people here in 3d who scoff at the notion that unconditional love will save the world. Perhaps it's different because 3d is more of an illusion, and the stakes are higher in the battle described by Ra. I'm unsure as to what to think about this, but I think it'd be interesting to open that debate.

    I think pure STO is like the Logos. It is all the things in all their colors selflessly. It is the small birds that sing and the hawks that prey on them, it is the humans that make peace and also the ones that murder another. It is in balance in accepting to allow what the Creator is to express, because that is the purpose of this world, to give space to what the Creator is to be expressed and what the Creator is is that which can be both positive and negative.

    When STO is not pure, there are distortions which makes it not pure and part of the balancing process is to accept and express these distortions. What you describe as the confederation doing is exactly this, they have to act upon that they are not pure STO and work with their own distortions. In pure STO there is only pure acceptance, there is no notion of deterring negativity. I would even venture to say that from a time/space perspective, it is impossible even if you try and always creates an imbalance in which you have a lesson of acceptance. This lesson becomes a thematic until you learn to release the need of it. Your reality is always already the answer as it reflects what you are, that is why the lessons are always about acceptance. Any way you deal with another shows how you deal with your own self.

    A bit like Infinite Unity said, there is a balance to Unity of which the Creator is the core of it. Amidst all events, there is always One seeing One. What differs an entity from another entity as two expressions of this One is only opportunity and opportunity is an infinite principle into which all things exist. You are truly Infinity.

    Anyhow, the role of the 3D entity is not to be without distortions but to work with its distortions. Nothing will be overcome and mankind will distill itself.

    Extremely well stated brother. I agree the objective of the 3d entity is to work with there distortions. Because honestly in my opinion, the will of The One is wrapped up in these distortions, to which choices and experiences are had, and so forth. Our distortions are blessings/gifts at the core.

    Its like the differential between distortion and Pure undistorted Oneness, gives rise to the experience.
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    06-23-2019, 12:39 PM
    (06-20-2019, 02:45 PM)Ray711 Wrote:
    (06-20-2019, 02:07 PM)ScottK Wrote: And now we come full circle back to the paradox Smile

    Yup. That's why the path of purity is foolish. You might end up being of no consequence, indeed. You might also end up being Christ consciousness itself, and the greatest possible source of inspiration to the world.

    It's a gamble. You decide whether to run with it or not.




    (06-20-2019, 02:18 PM)kristina Wrote: Do you know how those of 4th density could violate the free will of a 3rd density entity? Explain that please. I would like to see in what direction you go to.

    I believe you meant to quote me. Smile

    No idea. Abduction, perhaps? Getting into too specific and transient material?




    (06-20-2019, 02:18 PM)kristina Wrote: I would like to point out that the Earth has a quaratine.

    Good point. I often wonder whether souls have the freedom to choose other planets to incarnate into. TLOO never explicitly clears this up, but I believe it heavily implies that souls are usually tied to their planet of origin, unless they become wanderers or any such special circumstances.

    That's not the reason for the quarantine

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    06-23-2019, 12:58 PM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2019, 01:00 PM by Ray711.)
    (06-23-2019, 12:39 PM)kristina Wrote: That's not the reason for the quarantine

    I know, I know. TLOO just gave me the overall impression that entities can't just choose to incarnate into any planet they wish anytime they want. A lot of emphasis is put on placing souls on those planets of vibration most compatible with the entity's, upon harvest, thus implying the existence of a placement system. The mere existence of harvest entails that souls can't just reach harvestability level and leave on their own (save for those who open the gateway to intelligent infinity, which is extremely rare).

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    06-24-2019, 07:13 AM
    (06-23-2019, 12:58 PM)Ray711 Wrote:
    (06-23-2019, 12:39 PM)kristina Wrote: That's not the reason for the quarantine

    I know, I know. TLOO just gave me the overall impression that entities can't just choose to incarnate into any planet they wish anytime they want. A lot of emphasis is put on placing souls on those planets of vibration most compatible with the entity's, upon harvest, thus implying the existence of a placement system. The mere existence of harvest entails that souls can't just reach harvestability level and leave on their own (save for those who open the gateway to intelligent infinity, which is extremely rare).

    I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within the free will distortion?

    Ra: I am Ra. The Guardians guard the free will distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on this planetary sphere. The events which require activation of quarantine were interfering with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit complexes.

    16.2 ▶ Questioner: I may be wrong, but it seems to me that it would be the free will of, say the Orion group, to interfere. How is this balanced against the other concept you just gave?

    Ra: I am Ra. The balancing is from dimension to dimension. The attempts of the so-called Crusaders to interfere with free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their understanding. However, the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation. Thus, in order to balance the dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine was set up, this being a balancing situation whereby the free will of the Orion group is not stopped but given a challenge. Meanwhile, the third-density group is not hindered from free choice.

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    06-24-2019, 08:01 AM
    (06-24-2019, 07:13 AM)kristina Wrote: I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within the free will distortion?

    I wonder this as well.

    Perhaps this is a subject where it would be more appropriate to refer to this law by its other name, the Law of Confusion. The only freedom that matters, metaphysically speaking, is whether we choose in our thoughts and/or actions STS or STO. In that sense, it matters little how much freedom we have if we go by our human definition of freedom. Rather, focus is placed upon 1) us being "confused" in regard to the nature of reality; 2) not having an extreme inpouring of either STS or STO philosophy that would make it difficult to inform the population of the opposite side's philosophy, as implied here:

    Quote:the mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call third form a dimension of free will which is not able to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions towards manipulation

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    06-24-2019, 09:22 AM
    (06-19-2019, 03:57 AM)Ray711 Wrote: I think we can all agree that a completely pure STO entity would be of the mentality of complete open boarders for everyone (not just as related to country, but in regards to the entity's own house as well).

    I'm not so sure about that. A STO entity would respect privacy and free will.
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    06-24-2019, 09:37 AM
    (06-24-2019, 09:22 AM)loostudent Wrote: I'm not so sure about that. A STO entity would respect privacy and free will.

    I think we will find that we 3rd density dwellers are the only entities in Creation that care about a privacy that we don't even have, lol. What with telepathy being the default mode of communication in other dimensions and all.
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    06-26-2019, 06:12 AM
    (06-24-2019, 09:37 AM)Ray711 Wrote:
    (06-24-2019, 09:22 AM)loostudent Wrote: I'm not so sure about that. A STO entity would respect privacy and free will.

    I think we will find that we 3rd density dwellers are the only entities in Creation that care about a privacy that we don't even have, lol. What with telepathy being the default mode of communication in other dimensions and all.

    Yes, I was thinking of STO in 3rd density. Here privacy is necessary and sensible.
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    06-26-2019, 07:25 AM
    Yes privacy exist in 3D STO , I agree

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    07-31-2019, 06:37 AM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2019, 06:59 AM by TheSeekersLighthouse.)
    The overall aspect of immigration is a sensitive one. But I have been on the wrong end of this difficulty.

    Putting aside legal/illegal immigration for a moment, as laws are merely written by some random person in a suit, my spouse and me were unable to join for a year.

    This was due to strict UK visa rules requiring an earning of at least £18,600 a year, which increases by £2400 if the couple has children, per child. The Philippines was not possible due to no gay marriage. I ended up winning a disability exemption to the requirements due to CFS which I have had for a decade. The visa application fees worked out at £3000 plus other beurocracy needed to get the visa and his exit from the Philippines, worked out at £4000. You lose £1600 of the application fee if the application is unsuccessful. Lawyer fees for these can work out at £1000s and do not guarantee an application.

    The attitudes on immigration in their current form by the media serves to separate more than unite I think. You can enter whole facebook groups of people separated from spouses in loving relationships because they do not earn enough who try and help others with it, bypassing lawyers. We did our application without a lawyer and were successful this July and are now starting married life together here, my partner secured a job in social care. But note that in 2.5 years, you have to repay ALL those fees to re-apply to stay. If your income drops below £18,600 and/or disability awards are lost (very common) at that juncture, your spouse can be thrown out. A wrong box on the form, or a tiny error in documents results in the loss of £1000s as your application fails after 1 - 6 months of waiting for the visa. Having children complicates the process massively.

    A visa renewal failure makes it illegal for ME to shelter him, as it is ILLEGAL to rent to someone without legal status, jobs and everything evaporate. This has happened to the windrush generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal. Check after check just to get a job these days. Your ID determines your worth.

    People who came here legally had the Home Office destroy the landing cards proving they were here legally. Then asked them to prove it. Those who had old 30 - 40 year old passport with ILE or ILR stamps in them got to stay, others thrown out no matter their contribution or left homeless and destitute as they could not work legitimately. All these 'checks' and bureaucracy just to work to support yourself. All determined by ID.

    The pile of documents needed involved a blow by blow breakdown of financials which all have to match up with payslips etc etc, employer letters, inspection reports on property, TB testing, English testing, (which the TB testing and English testing cost £100s as it has to be specific UKVI approved). I had to explain a £2.32 deduction in my income, that is how detailed you have to be, lest you get refused.

    After five years, you pay all the fees again to get permanent residency for your spouse. Meanwhile, the media is repeating 'our borders are too soft' over and over with a slice of the public agreeing, though less and less as I notice most young people see right though that.

    Many rules our governments put just beg to be broken. There is a chance that one day, we may go knocking on the doors of the countries of people we rejected, if the tide turned here. I think everyone should have a chance, free-will being paramount over anything else.

    This is why I am in support of removing these artificial borders governments put. The difficulties me and my husband went through sealed to me that there is nothing STO about the way we are handling immigration. Especially when western army forces destabilised many of these countries in the first place.

    Our world situation is complex, but I think anything which restricts free-will in that manner no matter what the 'authority/country' doing it is not STO, but is seeing others as separate from the self. Who owns the earth? Who gets to tell YOU where to walk on the earth? Just to stop a few 'baddies'? I don't buy it. This is how the STS shadow government works:

    1. Create an enemy
    2. Give the public a reason to hate the enemy (see 9/11 as an example, an excuse to invade iraq)
    3. Reinforce it through media, often drip drip dripping it to slowly change one's opinion
    4. Hate and screaming for more rules and tougher laws (WE NEED MORE SECURITY, WE NEED MORE ID CHECKS! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS LAWS LAWS!)
    5. Enslavement successful, people seeing others as separate, STO polarity reduces. Laws the public demand now implemented which was the plan in the beginning

    Rinse, wash, repeat.

    This has gone on for longer than I can remember. I remember reading 1940s newspaper articles, where Alexander Bell (the telephone inventor) said no matter what one's race, they would be allowed a telephone. The media were up in arms, and the same newspaper described Mexicans as 'filthy'. It has served to divide and rule for a long time. The media does the same today, but just picks different targets. There is also political correctness, another side of the enslavement coin, as anyone with a conservative view is subject to negativity. But one that hides in plain sight, too. Then you have the good old witch hunts and feeding criminals to lions, those perceived as 'bad' with suffering inflicted upon them by the 'good' people for entertainment.

    This is why we must be very careful, form our own opinions and be mindful of attempts to manipulate us to see others as separate from the self. If the STS polarity cannot fully enslave you, it will still try and get you away from STO. This is also done by painting someone to hate. Trump, Mrs May, or anyone else who is subject to the next 'hate'. I strongly disagree with trump and mrs' may's policies, but neither deserve in my opinion HATE, which is a strong dividing tactic. And those truly pulling the strings stay out of sight too.

    The media for dividing is now so strong, I have started to unplug from the global internet for a while to focus on spiritual development. Gone back to older non-capable equipment and a dumbphone that allows me to use messenger platforms (nokia 8110 is good for this) and an older laptop with windows 98, can focus on writing and play music without much distractions. I keep this PC so I can check my usual forums and use messengers now and again, but the need to unplug digitally for a while has come over me, due to the level of manipulation I have been seeing and that it constantly fills the mind with information. No news or news TV is put on in my house.

    As for immigration, people have migrated since the dawn of time and will continue to do so, regardless of laws put in place. It is hard wired into human DNA, if not into our psyche.

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