Negative Polarity & BDSM

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I think the key is first to recognize that this instinctual/red ray energy is chaotic and random. As such, it's good to always be vigilant not to be controlled and directed in life by one's red ray, be it the male or the female red ray. But at the same time, complete acceptance and lack of judgement of what exists is paramount in the positive polarity. Again, like Ra says, the red ray is the foundation of all that is to come. To denigrate and to judge this energy ray is to deny the opportunity for energy to reach any of the higher energy rays.

I would be careful about focusing too much upon such concepts as "vigilance" and "control"

These are concepts based in fear and struggle, which negative seekers use in their pursuit of meaning. The positice path is one of acceptance and abundance. Remember how in the Lovers card, ra said the Right Handed path requires no protection? Give thought to that before embracing such concepts as "vigilance"


Also, speaking from experience, this seems to be more of a sacral ray issue than a red ray one.

That being said, it HAS blocked upward flow of energy into higher energy centers. Also, my reluctance to ground myself is a big aspect of my repression, which I would think IS rooted in the red ray. But then this may indicate that sacral ray blockages can be partially a result if red ray blockages.

So... Yeah. Repression seems to really create much blockage. Not at all something I would recommend as useful to positive seeking.

[Infinite]

The danger of not exploring one's shadow is that one becomes unaware of the potential for evil that resides within the self. When this potential is explored, accepted and even honored, the risk of one's shadow side popping up in an uncontrollable or unconscious way is greatly diminished. This is why shadow work is of utmost importance in the STO path.

I'm sure that many of us have either experienced or heard of instances of people who strove for purity and goodness, but who then engaged in extreme STS acts. Christianity is notorious for this, and this is due to this religion lacking (as I believe Carl Jung said) a system for the integration of one's shadow. Christianity takes the approach revolving around overcoming, suppressing and rejecting, seeing the shadow as a demon, something outside of the self, something impure and dirty that has no business being in the self.

I agree with you statement, although the answer of Ra about desires would be easy to be misunderstood. However, I have no doubt about the danger of repression:

The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

(52.7)

[EvolvingPhoenix]

For a long time I didn't want to say anything in this thread, because I feel that to say one way is wrong and one way is right, is very contradictory to unity and right now I just feel f*** it. It's like saying you're no longer spiritual when you eat meat, or like one someone else remarked as being poisoned. The Victorian era, was one of the most sexually repressive societies in the modern world and never before were there so many rapists, serial killers, and attempts to take bondage to quite an extreme level as a result. Perhaps the problem comes with the box that bdsm is associated with, there are many more sensual games tantrically that share a lot of the same traits with bdsm.


It's easy to judge and set aside a part of our functions and in doing so counts as the opposite of accepting and catalyzing the experience. I can't speak for women, and I can't even speak for other men. A long time ago as a child I witnessed my mom getting bullied by my father, at the time I didn't know what to do other than stand there next to her and cry. I was angry that someone would do something so aggressive to someone else like that and it was that feeling of powerlessness that was the hardest to deal with. As I came to understand society as patriarchal, I gravitated towards situations where I suppose I could see women in power. If society would not balance itself, then how would it eventually balance? Of course that comes when starting to look at the divine feminine and divine masculine archetypes as qualities of the self.

At the heart of any Dzogchen Buddhist practice it is to see yourself as the void and being able to meet nothingness with love rather than fear in order to transmute your physical self back into a light body. Historically all religions have had some sort of difficult ritual as a test to maintain a blissful state under distressing situations. Is it a means of escape or is it a means of confronting that which is uncomfortable in order so that it may be accepted and ultimately healed? I don't think that there can be a defined cut and dry one size fits all meaning, and there are people who have taken it to the large extremes of signing a contract to go live a life of servitude. I knew someone who was in that situation, and at that time i think they wanted to be put in that space of feeling safety to explore uncomfortable situations and as a result change how one further reacts to that uncomfortable situation.


The danger of anything, is when anything is taken to an extreme, and a lot of the opinions here seemed seemed to take a judgemental attitude to the concepts which demean the lifestyle and the very individuals who engage in that world, which again is enough to make anyone hesitate to say anything, not just women.  I witnessed in my opinion both positive and negative things about bdsm as a whole, but it's not like anything else in the world is completely positive or negative. I've come to understand 100% STO is evil because if you are always thinking of others and never thinking of yourself, then you go towards a police state with mass surveillance.

I don't know how many times I've heard you need to love yourself if you are going to learn how to love others. Does this mean Jesus did not truly love others because he could not love himself enough to take care of himself, as a result creating the martyrdom complex? He did end up using his powers to ultimately harm someone when he was younger. Of course that led to a positive direction, however prior to that event Jeshua would have been just as ignorant to his emotions and as a result may of used them to harm another due to a perceived threat.

The entire reason why sixth density wanderers incarnate into third density as powerless, is not to harm others and not to break the illusion of free will but to work around it.  Sixth density souls by the law of free will incarnating into a limited powerless state, lack of past life recall, lacking of any advanced psychic abilities is like a tease and denial, because the dreams sometimes tease you of far out realities, technologies, societies, and then it's back to reality. Whenever some TV show ends on a cliffhanger, is a form of a tease and a denial. Many things are tested within that, like patience, and fortitude, as well as rejection, and thus also abandonment.

The way I've come to learn it in a very simplistic way is that if i don't know how to take care of myself, then how can I be expected to take care of others in a way that befits them? Anyone having any such capabilities would end up being destructive without the right wisdom. The best teachers say the thing that makes you feel the most uncomfortable, because it's not about making you feel good, it's about facing the parts of yourself that are difficult so that you can heal that part of yourself and ultimately reach your own mastery.

I saw this play where a young man asks his father, do you like me? The father says where does it say that I have to like you?  i clothe you, feed you, house you, and i don't charge you a thing, and you think i don't like you? I love you, i don't need to like you because I love you and gave you life. Real love, isn't always proper and nice on the outside, sometimes love is tough. Love gets tough when you experience hurt, separation or you feel that your trust has been broken.

At first I thought there was something wrong with me because clearly I went with the first opinion, oh anything bdsm is bad, it leads to negative polarization. The years served to create more excuses to repress it, rather than to deal with it directly. The repression of it led to wanting to experience it more so. What I started to recognize from it was that I wanted to experience sex with full presence on both sides, to have an energy exchange at all of the chakras, I'm starting to believe it's only possible with someone else who has had some sort of a shaman training or is naturally perhaps by current life; adept.

There are a lot of parallels with tantric sex and bdsm. The point of both is simply no expectation, our society wants to put a label on sex, it wants to put a label on war, it wants to categorize every part of our human experience and put it all into a box. There is a certain electricity that becomes very palpable when two people aren't expecting anything and are just experiencing each other whilst having no thoughts whatsoever. It feels magical, powerful, and the worst thing anyone can do is impose shame on a natural function of a body that has been designed by the creator. What other people get out of it might be entirely different, I suppose. In an attempt to find a sexual energy transfer containing all of the chakras, it's lead to a few realizations, there's not that many people who read or scholar the Law of One or seek that enough to recognize what it is that they are attempting to want, and as a result are not able to manifest the right condition for the positive focus wherein it would lead to a negative focusing of the same light/line of thought or action because of either a Half full or half empty perspective.

Nobody likes a song with all harmony and no malody to make one understand why the harmony was so good in the first place. The use of complementary colors in paintings to emphasize the specific color and make it stand out more. Like when you paint a tree, it doesn't stand out until it has it's shade and it's light, it would instead blend in with the background. Likewise there's no sex that can be called sex without at least a nibble or two or five.

I don't know what it's like to experience sex with someone who is on the spiritual path and balanced. I'd imagine being able to reach light body with a balanced feminine and masculine understanding as traits within the self, within both partners engaging in that sexual act as long as both partners were both adept and balanced.

There are a few points of input I would probably like to add later, but I am at a critical paucity of fucks to give right now, so instead I will simply say this:

"Well said brother!"

[EvolvingPhoenix]

The danger of not exploring one's shadow is that one becomes unaware of the potential for evil that resides within the self. When this potential is explored, accepted and even honored, the risk of one's shadow side popping up in an uncontrollable or unconscious way is greatly diminished. This is why shadow work is of utmost importance in the STO path.

I'm sure that many of us have either experienced or heard of instances of people who strove for purity and goodness, but who then engaged in extreme STS acts. Christianity is notorious for this, and this is due to this religion lacking (as I believe Carl Jung said) a system for the integration of one's shadow. Christianity takes the approach revolving around overcoming, suppressing and rejecting, seeing the shadow as a demon, something outside of the self, something impure and dirty that has no business being in the self.

I agree with you statement, although the answer of Ra about desires would be easy to be misunderstood. However, I have no doubt about the danger of repression:

The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

(52.7)

Ooh! That was very important for me to read, at this point in my process. Thank you for sharing that , Infinite.

[Ray711]

I would be careful about focusing too much upon such concepts as "vigilance" and "control"

These are concepts based in fear and struggle, which negative seekers use in their pursuit of meaning. The positice path is one of acceptance and abundance. Remember how in the Lovers card, Ra said the Right Handed path requires no protection? Give thought to that before embracing such concepts as "vigilance"

I agree with the notion of fear and struggle not being necessary, but I find it very important to analyze as much as one can the real reasons for the activities and thoughts that one engages in.

Like Jung said: "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."

And Ra themselves said: "Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern."

Patterns coming from the lower triad of chakras can have a blind spot, in the sense that they are evidently and undeniably pleasurable/beneficial to the self in one way, while carrying a subtle and less obvious inconvenience that harms the self or other-selves. Without a strong will and desire to examine these patterns, they will simply continue on.

My interpretation of the protection that we have on the positive path is different from the one I believe you have expressed. I think it's very specifically mental protection. I don't think it entails anything more. I believed in the kind of physical protection for a while, and even on the notion that the universe had changed a life-long pattern in my life circumstances as a reward for having entered into the spiritual life, until this situation changed into an even harsher repetition of the very same catalyst I had already experienced so many times before getting into spirituality. To think that we're physically protected on the STO path can entail great narcissism, which might bring about catalyst inciting towards adopting a position of humbleness. The key then, I believe, is not what happens outside, but one's internal reaction to the external. I'll quote Ra:

The seeker which has purely chosen the service-to-others path shall certainly not have a variant apparent incarnational experience. There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.

However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

It seems we both misunderstand each other. I do not disagree with your concept. I merely caution your word choice. If my understanding of your assertion is correct, namely, the assertion that examining one's own mind is essential to positice polarization, then my caution to examine one's word choices more closely would be consistent with your point. I merely caution word choice. This points to unconsciously held concepts. So I am actually advising IN ACCORDANCE with this assertion you have made, should my understanding be correct.

[kristina]

I would be careful about focusing too much upon such concepts as "vigilance" and "control"

These are concepts based in fear and struggle, which negative seekers use in their pursuit of meaning. The positice path is one of acceptance and abundance. Remember how in the Lovers card, Ra said the Right Handed path requires no protection? Give thought to that before embracing such concepts as "vigilance"

I agree with the notion of fear and struggle not being necessary, but I find it very important to analyze as much as one can the real reasons for the activities and thoughts that one engages in.

Like Jung said: "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."

And Ra themselves said: "Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen but who repeat patterns without knowledge of the repetition or the meaning of the pattern."

Patterns coming from the lower triad of chakras can have a blind spot, in the sense that they are evidently and undeniably pleasurable/beneficial to the self in one way, while carrying a subtle and less obvious inconvenience that harms the self or other-selves. Without a strong will and desire to examine these patterns, they will simply continue on.

My interpretation of the protection that we have on the positive path is different from the one I believe you have expressed. I think it's very specifically mental protection. I don't think it entails anything more. I believed in the kind of physical protection for a while, and even on the notion that the universe had changed a life-long pattern in my life circumstances as a reward for having entered into the spiritual life, until this situation changed into an even harsher repetition of the very same catalyst I had already experienced so many times before getting into spirituality. To think that we're physically protected on the STO path can entail great narcissism, which might bring about catalyst inciting towards adopting a position of humbleness. The key then, I believe, is not what happens outside, but one's internal reaction to the external. I'll quote Ra:

The seeker which has purely chosen the service-to-others path shall certainly not have a variant apparent incarnational experience. There is no outward shelter in your illusion from the gusts, flurries, and blizzards of quick and cruel catalyst.

However, to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

I agree with the notion of fear and struggle not being necessary, but I find it very important to analyze as much as one can the real reasons for the activities and thoughts that one engages in.

Like Jung said: "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."

I agree. If we could substitute the word analyze with the word understand I feel could be of more benefit to the self seeking conscious entity.
If you are here, within an understanding why one does what it does, then we might ascertain that the entity is now becoming a conscious entity. However, the fear or surprise the entity may experience in attempts to understand itself, may and often revert back into the orange ray which would include the unconscious patterns and conditions of the emotional body. Until this entity can embrace the reason why and love itself does it then have the opportunity to springboard into its 4th ray thus gaining a deeper, more balanced understanding of itself.

[unity100]

Well, there's no need to sweat, BDSM is negative per definitions in Ra material. Any 'play' in which entities take the 'roles' of master and slave still creates such energetic dynamics even if it is make believe...

[rinzler]

I agree with what Unity100 said. BDSM has destroyed countless lives and one only needs to look at other forums on the internet and read people's horrible stories... If anyone here believes the opposite they are trapped In a very very bad delusion.

[kristina]

Well, there's no need to sweat, BDSM is negative per definitions in Ra material. Any 'play' in which entities take the 'roles' of master and slave still creates such energetic dynamics even if it is make believe...

There are no mistakes.
I disagree with you. I believe that people play roles for reasons. It generally is to understand something deep within themselves and two people who do love one another are entitled to explore in what "they consider" to be safe. However, there are those who will take things to the upmost extreme, throwing caution to the wind and get lost in their own selfish, wild fantasy that makes such play dangerous upon the well being, psyche, esteem and personality of the not so willing partner. Then this is CATALYST. Even unprocessed catalyst isn't negative, it unconsciousness. The actions that follow unconsciousness may be considerd negative but it still falls under catalyst for at least someone somewhere. It takes a lot of work in this density to obtain control over the emotional body (orange ray). Games such as what we are speaking about may bring about an understanding for both parties concerning the dynamics of their lower two energy centers.
We can play semantics all day calling what is good and what is bad, there is no such thing only what people "think" is negative and what people "think" is positive.
This kind of play upon words calling one thing positive and another negative is judgement. Therefore is calls for a closer look at a situation and balancing it because somewhere in between the negative and the positive is the balance.
People are free to explore all else is personal opinion and preference.
If two people choose to play these games and try to understand their
orange ray/emotional/sexual body and it is a type of exploration and both understand, how is this negative? I do not play games like this but many, upon many do. Society as a whole is hung up on the orange ray and could be the underlying reason why so many want to understand it; even in their bedroom.
Consider the one who has no control at some point in it's life regarding sex and this entity now has a desire to want to understand control in the bedroom. They find a willing partner to help them explore this idea, this fantacy. They explore it together. How in the world can this be considered negative? Experience in itself is a positive thing. Even expression no matter how we choose to express it is not negative at best it is catalyst.

[unity100]

This kind of play upon words calling one thing positive and another negative is judgement.

Really, criticizing it as 'judgment' wont change the way polarities work.

Yeah, engaging in such activities may release someone from the internal drives s/he had about having those experiences and therefore can be considered positive in the greater scheme of things, but these are still negatively polarized, control based activities however you approach it...

[Nau7ik]

This kind of play upon words calling one thing positive and another negative is judgement.

Really, criticizing it as 'judgment' wont change the way polarities work.

Yeah, engaging in such activities may release someone from the internal drives s/he had about having those experiences and therefore can be considered positive in the greater scheme of things, but these are still negatively polarized, control based activities however you approach it...

I agree with Unity. The practice itself is negative in the sense that it is a working of the principles of control and power over others. Two people might be ignorantly pursuing these practices with no ill-intent towards one another, but indeed, the 2nd and 3rd chakras are being distorted or blocked by the negative energy exchange.

We are suppose to explore all things desired. I myself had been interested in BDSM at one point, so I explored it and discovered I do not like it. That blockage would still be there if I ignored the desire and didn’t explore it. I know that I am still working with catalyst of the lower chakras in the realms of sexuality, but I am more clear in my desire to not want to harm or control another. Nor do I want to be controlled.

[Dtris]

Such a fascinating resurrected topic.

Here is my 2 cents. BDSM, by its nature is a negative or service to self energy transfer. This transfer is just that, a type of transfer of energy. For someone who is polarizing STO it may be useful for a time, but will eventually no longer be useful or desired. For someone polarizing STS, it will not only be useful but probably an integral part of their polarization.

Whether BDSM is engaged in consensually or as role play does not change the nature of the energy transfer. This is because it is taking pleasure in possession and causing or being in pain.

There seems to be a tendency in other posts to equate STS and negative transfers as bad or undesired. I would say they are neither and simply are. The STS path is just as valid as the STO path to the creator. Fearing it or treating it as a bad thing does not help in the long run IMO.

I also think there is so much confusion about this subject because of the green ray energies which are prevalent. We want to be loving and accepting and allow all things but we also have such serious blockages of the lower centers that we can confuse positive and negative energies and mix things all up.