The Steps of Creation

[Minyatur]

Looking to the steps, it's the intelligent infinity or the intelligent infinity individualized (a major Logos) who creates the Light? If is the intelligent infinity, the individualization of the intelligent energy and the Light are created at the same time (I know this occur on eternity without time, it's just to clarification)?

If light was created "after" the first level of individualization, then it might only exist in this universe. And other universes, created by other first level Logoi, would have something else.  That's an interesting thought.

I always saw the first three distortions as the basis of concrete experience.

The first lies outside what we call Octaves of experience. The second one is the relativity of each Logos in their separation of manyness, the heart/love of each Octave as a separate aspect of the infinite. Then the third is the manifestation of this creative principle.

So I would think that Light has a unique vibrational quality in each Octave, but there is always this distortion for there to be a creation. The densities then are the spectrum of this distortion and our last density is truly the beginning density of the following Octave in a vibrational sense.

[Patrick]

I'm happy to have found my older notes about this subjects.  I'll just paste them down here.

But it's still not clear to me if Love has used Light in all it's creations.  Because, if free will (1st distortion) immediately gives rise to many-ness and Love is just focused free will (2nd distortion), then ALL the focuses (Logoi) are many and so some Love might not have used Light for it's creation.  I mean there is no primary focus of free will, they are all many.

So yeah I think some intervening material is missing to elucidate this.  Or possibly this is just not possible for 3d space/time incarnated minds to understand.

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Summary of the cosmology from the Ra material.

1) The first known thing in creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.

2) Infinity became aware (intelligent infinity).

3) Intelligent Infinity became aware of the concept of free will.

4) It realized It was even free to consider the idea of many-ness, that is, more than one. Free will immediately gives rise to many-ness.

5) Intelligent Infinity decided to explore this idea.  In so doing Intelligent Infinity became the Creator.

6) The 1st distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the 2nd distortion the Creative Principle or Love. (Love may be seen as the type of energy of an extremely high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in a particular way. All Love emanates from the Oneness.)

7) Love uses Its intelligent energy to create a certain pattern of illusions or densities in order to satisfy Its own intelligent estimate of a method of knowing itself.

8) This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these 3 distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being any more important than another.

9) Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity, there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration thus is free to continue infinitely into an eternal present.

Here is a nice explanation of it all from our current perspective in 3d.

I believe that the result is there; we experience it as the "future attractor". This reality is like an equation or prequel, designed to create a deeper understanding of that result.

[loostudent]

Well, I would somewhat disagree that it was totally new. In the same way that the spirit complex exists there in potential in animals, as it is something inherent and waiting to be tapped, so too was the manyness inherent in the creator. Infinity contains everything.

I agree. I just meant the concept of finity without creation of its manifestation would be only a potential. And this creation is from uncreated potential - not from something already created manifestation. This is what I understand as creation of something from no-thing.

Also, from my perspective this process of reaching the natural base state of infinity/unity, and then again discerning the concept of finity and then reaching for that manifestation has been something that occurs in every octave, and I don't believe there was a "beginning octave" in the normal way we would think of it in rational cause/effect terms. I think that is something that redounds outwards to the limits of infinity as well.

As I understand the first three distortions are in the eternal present while octaves (subsequent distortions) are temporal and spatial experience.

[AnthroHeart]

As I understand it an Octave is Creator and Creation. Octave is more fundamental than Light and Love and free will. The focusing of free will creates Logos, which is the Octave.

[Infinite]

Well, there are still some doubts about this whole process.

I was in doubt as to whether densities are created by intelligent infinity or by the Major Logoi. I think that questions 29.2 and 29.13 clarify this.

Another question is: is the smallest particle of our third density material the photon? So atoms and subatomic particles are derived from this photon? I suppose it's not the same photon discussed by science, but something like a metaphysical photon.

[Thoth73]

Well, there are still some doubts about this whole process.

I was in doubt as to whether densities are created by intelligent infinity or by the Major Logoi. I think that questions 29.2 and 29.13 clarify this.

Another question is: is the smallest particle of our third density material the photon? So atoms and subatomic particles are derived from this photon? I suppose it's not the same photon discussed by science, but something like a metaphysical photon.

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41.9 Questioner: Then what is the simplest being that is manifested? I am supposing it might be a single cell or something like that. And how does it function with respect to energy centers?

Ra: I am Ra. The simplest manifest being is light or what you have called the photon. In relationship to energy centers it may be seen to be the center or foundation of all articulated energy fields.
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Matter is condensed light--it is fractal-holographic in nature. The photon or light is formed, shaped and directed by Love or Logos. The photon or light is spiraling, oscillating, looping, rotating and vibrating. It is always oscillating or vibrating back and forth from time/space to space/time and manifests or condenses into the so-called matter thus forming the illusion. The photon forms the core vibrations of all atomic particles.

[Glow]

This thread is making me realize I need to give the books another read through.

In the mean time since you all recently read this in context.
By calling the photon a being couldn’t that be other than a 3D being or is it specified?

By being the simplest we could call that the least distorted so it potentially could be on either end of the spectrum. Towards return to oneness we become more light filled. What is more light filled than a being that is light itself? Also as one leaves the density of oneness one would gradually get less and less light filled or more distorted through the separation process.

I will get my books out tonight and look myself but I’m curious others perspective.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a Carla, Jim and Don available to provide a reliable channel now.
I sure could use their and Ra’s awareness of where we are now.

[Glow]

As I understand it an Octave is Creator and Creation. Octave is more fundamental than Light and Love and free will. The focusing of free will creates Logos, which is the Octave.

This just makes my brain crack.

[AnthroHeart]

As I understand it an Octave is Creator and Creation. Octave is more fundamental than Light and Love and free will. The focusing of free will creates Logos, which is the Octave.

This just makes my brain crack.

Sorry for the word salad. I don't know if I new what I was talking about.

[Infinite]

Matter is condensed light--it is fractal-holographic in nature. The photon or light is formed, shaped and directed by Love or Logos.  The photon or light is spiraling, oscillating, looping, rotating and vibrating.  It is always oscillating or vibrating back and forth from time/space to space/time and manifests or condenses into the so-called matter thus forming the illusion. The photon forms the core vibrations of all atomic particles.

Would atoms and photons be first density entities? Or are they part of the Logos?

[Glow]

As I understand it an Octave is Creator and Creation. Octave is more fundamental than Light and Love and free will. The focusing of free will creates Logos, which is the Octave.

This just makes my brain crack.

Sorry for the word salad. I don't know if I new what I was talking about.

No not at all. I think it’s to me just one of those things hard to conceptualize what came first, or even if there was a “first”.
You got farther than I did, I just don’t know. To me it’s all fractals shadow brings light, that brings shadows that bring light.

Chicken or the egg kind of thing in my mind.

[AnthroHeart]

As I understand it an Octave is Creator and Creation. Octave is more fundamental than Light and Love and free will. The focusing of free will creates Logos, which is the Octave.

This just makes my brain crack.

Sorry for the word salad. I don't know if I new what I was talking about.

No not at all. I think it’s to me just one of those things hard to conceptualize what came first, or even if there was a “first”.
You got farther than I did, I just don’t know. To me it’s all fractals shadow brings light, that brings shadows that bring light.

Chicken or the egg kind of thing in my mind.

Actually chickens came first because the egg requires a protein that only hens can make.

[Glow]

im totally stealing that next time someone asks me

[Thoth73]

Would atoms and photons be first density entities? Or are they part of the Logos?

First density entities are earth, water, fire and air. The photons and atoms compose the light quantum of each density. They are formed by the Logos; the photon or light is created by Love and then forms the core vibrations of atomic particles for each density; as in they vibrate, oscillate, rotate, etc and condense into the rotational core atomic particle vibrations. These levels of vibratory frequency correspond to true-colour red frequency for first density, true-colour orange frequency for second density, true-colour yellow frequency for third density, and so on.

[AnthroHeart]

I think Logos is Intelligent Energy. I wonder since most of Logos is unmanifest if Intelligent Energy can be unmanifest too.

[Infinite]

First density entities are earth, water, fire and air. The photons and atoms compose the light quantum of each density. They are formed by the Logos; the photon or light is created by Love and then forms the core vibrations of atomic particles for each density; as in they vibrate, oscillate, rotate, etc and condense into the rotational core atomic particle vibrations. These levels of vibratory frequency correspond to true-colour red frequency for first density, true-colour orange frequency for second density, true-colour yellow frequency for third density, and so on.

So the consciousness of photons and atoms doesn't evolve?

[AnthroHeart]

I am not sure, but my experience is that photons are the harvest from the previous octave.
Photons can turn into electrons and vice versa.

[Thoth73]

So the consciousness of photons and atoms doesn't evolve?

No, they don't evolve individually through the densities like sub-sub-Logoi do because, like I said, the photon or light is responsible for the formation and core vibrations of atomic particles of each density, and the light gradations or quanta of each density in time/space and space/time. Sub-sub-Logoi are able to manipulate, by thought, the photons or light and thus can manipulate and shape or create material from thought ((6.7) "Ra..From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light").

[Infinite]

No, they don't evolve individually through the densities like sub-sub-Logoi do because, like I said, the photon or light is responsible for the formation and core vibrations of atomic particles of each density, and the light gradations or quanta of each density in time/space and space/time. Sub-sub-Logoi are able to manipulate, by thought, the photons or light and thus can manipulate and shape or create material from thought ((6.7) "Ra..From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light").

Understand. For the first time I realize why some people say that everything is alive. According to Ra, light is intelligent:

The concept of Light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought, as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the Light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the Creative Principle.

(13.9)

One more question: do you think there is any relationship between the wave-particle duality and intelligent energy and light? Or perhaps this duality is due to the nature of light itself as described by Ra?

Thanks by your thoughts.

[Diana]

"Ra..From the sixth dimension, we are capable of manipulating, by thought, the intelligent infinity present in each particle of light or distorted light").

The "particle of light or distorted light" would be the particle (manifested; collapsed outcome) aspect of the wave/particle duality; and "the intelligent infinity (present in each particle..)" would be the wave (unmanifested; all possible outcomes in potentiation) aspect of the wave/particle duality.