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    08-14-2021, 11:15 PM
    @Ohr Ein Sof I see consciousness as the One Creator observing its creation so in my view consciousness is observing both keys.

    My idea is that the silver key unlocks the kundalini "lock" so that kundalini energy can flow towards the heart. And the golden key unlocks the heart so that the kundalini energy flows into the heart. Silver is the metal of the moon, and the silver key unlocks the moon lock at the base of the spine. When the red-ray is activated kundalini energy starts flowing symbolized by the color red. And the heart is symbolized by the color green. When red plus green blend with additive color mixing the result is yellow = golden key.

    The philosopher's stone is the cerebellum activated via Saturn symbolized by the dragon. The kundalini trap is represented as a coiled serpent at the base of the spine. The dragon gives the serpent wings so that it can start moving up the spine. So both keys have to do with kundalini. Consciousness is connected to the other energy Ra talked about:

    Quote:"Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening, as they say, the kundalini and of what value would that be?

    Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.

    We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true-color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.

    Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

    Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.

    Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh." - Law of One 49.6
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    08-14-2021, 11:40 PM
    The Vatican I believe serves both as manager of the veil and also as holding the keys of unknowing. Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit which locked their kundalini so that they became separated from God by the veil.

    This is symbology for how humanity had to develop on its own through the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It's the path that "which is not" because in truth there is no actual separation, and evil is the result of the seeming separation. This was necessary in order to bring humanity in an undifferentiated state of oneness with God in the garden of Eden, into developing separate individual personalities by learning the knowledge of good and evil. And the next step is for humanity to integrate back into oneness on a higher level with developed individuality and having gained a unique civilization on its own as a result of the veil.

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    08-15-2021, 12:06 AM
    I forgot to mention that the Vatican only holds the keys of unknowing for the world globally. As individuals we can still access the silver and golden keys through our own consciousness.

    It's curious that Saint Peter's Basilica in the Vatican has four huge black pillars inside below the dome. I suspect that the black pillars have something to do with the blackening stage in esoteric alchemy. The blackening stage is necessary before the keys of unknowing can be used. The veil has caused kundalini to become trapped in duality without oneness throughout the whole body and mind as tensions. The blackening stage is the breaking down of the tensions.

    The kundalini tensions also have an effect on society as a whole causing lots of friction and conflict. Barry Long even says in this video that when we pray as ordinary people we are sending violent waves of energy out into the world. Very interesting! That sounds like the effect of trapped kundalini.

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    08-15-2021, 01:01 AM
    Barry Long sounds like a modern Rudolf Steiner almost. I'm very impressed by what he says in the video in my previous post. For example this distinction between power of prayer (good) vs force of prayer (conflict):

    Quote:"The power of prayer unlike the force of prayer will not deprive another to heal or comfort the one you are concerned for. That power will go wherever it is needed in the world without having any injurious negative effects. Power is all positive, force is positive and negative, thus force creates the world of opposites, the world of pain and of gain. Remember if you pray for a particular person in the old way you leave someone else out, you upset the balance of life, you create the condition of injustice in living that requires someone to lose for another to gain, you make the world stronger and contribute to the unhappiness of life on earth." - Barry Long

    Notice that as Barry said, even when we pray for the good of someone else it leaves others out thereby creating conflict in the world. That's why when we pray as ordinary people, trapped in the veil, it reeks of service-to-self. Barry also talked about what to me seems like the blackening stage in alchemy, where the old self is broken down in order to make ground for the new self to develop. In my view what Barry calls force is the result of trapped kundalini causing conflicting dualities, and power is kundalini able to flow in unity and harmony. Sounds similar to David R. Hawkins' book Power vs. Force

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    08-15-2021, 03:09 AM
    What Barry Long said about power vs force is actually easy to understand as the unity compass and personal separation compasses Ra talked about. Power comes with the unity compass while our personal separation compasses can only produce force which inevitable leads to conflict and friction.

    From an alchemy perspective what we need to do in order to gain power is to toast our personal separation compasses to ashes. This is the blackening stage in alchemy. And even though easy to understand it's an extraordinary difficult process since it basically means melting down one's personal self, which from the force perspective appears as an insane choice.

    Here is the compass analogy again and I have abbreviated the quote since I have already posted it several times before:

    Quote:"Ra: I am Ra. ... the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

    Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with the present societal complex." - Law of One 13.23

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    08-15-2021, 06:44 AM
    The Choice is a leap into an abyss, not only because it's unknown what's behind the veil, but also because it requires abandoning one's older self.

    Quote:"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it." - Matthew 16:24-25

    The cross represents in my opinion kundalini trapped in duality without oneness. And whoever loses their life for Christ will find it, to me represents the blackening stage in esoteric alchemy where the old self is destroyed. And Christ represents kundalini integrated with oneness so that it can flow correctly.

    Jesus dying on the cross is then a symbol for all of humanity going through the process of blackening. And it's only through Father that we can be saved and nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. So the crucifixion of Christ symbolizes the overcoming of all sin for all of humanity. Sin means actions caused by kundalini trapped in duality without oneness who therefore always "miss the mark".

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    08-15-2021, 07:19 AM
    Why risk a leap into an abyss when we don't know what will happen? Especially when it means the abandonment of the old self. My reasoning is that there actually is a veil. And that it causes continuous conflicts and suffering.

    Even when we try to be confident in the veiled state, that's just a front of toughness hiding a fearful self. We become tough, hard, angry and threatening, or put on a mask of rehearsed serenity and call it confidence, when in fact it's actually fear.

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    08-15-2021, 07:41 AM
    Leaping into the abyss is I guess the same as spiritual awakening. However as I mentioned earlier, spiritual teachers who may be spiritually awakened are still trapped in the world dominated by the veil. So it could be that their kundalini energy remains trapped in their bodies. Anyway Leo Gura has this new video about spiritual awakening which may give some clues about what to expect behind the veil.

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    08-15-2021, 08:11 AM
    Ra talked about two kinds of energy! So a kundalini awakening can be different than a spiritual awakening. Kundalini is the energy from below and consciousness provides the oneness energy from above.

    And when there is only a kundalini awakening without an awakening of consciousness, it leads to problems and there are many reports about kundalini awakening being precisely problematic like that. And if there is only a spiritual awakening without kundalini rising, then that's like the spiritual teachers who are spiritually awake yet still have their kundalini trapped in their bodies.

    Esoteric alchemy is about achieving both spiritual awakening and a kundalini awakening, blending them together to transmute the "base metal" heart into a "golden heart" and then a last reddening stage where the kundalini energy becomes harmonized.

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    08-15-2021, 09:28 AM
    I found Barry Long's teaching to be really good, except one huge difference from how I see it. Barry said that our human civilization is worthless and that only the earth is worth saving. Maybe I misinterpret what he means by that but I think of it completely differently.

    The harvest as I see it is not about throwing away our entire human civilization. The harvest is about preserving the valuable uniqueness of our civilization and throwing out the "bathwater" in my opinion. The veil has the precise purpose of producing this valuable uniqueness.

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    08-15-2021, 09:54 AM
    Leo Gura said that there are levels of awakening. And I found his description of experiencing reality as a manifestation of consciousness consistent with how Ra says that reality is thought. And there is higher clarity of perception with higher states of consciousness, Leo said. But he also said that it's difficult to explain awakening and even his attempt of describing it will be different than our own awakening.

    Since everything is the one Self, other beings such as angels and ascended masters are also just a manifestation of the one Self, Leo said. That's correct I think and consistent with what Ra teaches in the Law of One. Ultimately there is only one Creator and we are it! Still, it can be useful to examine what it means to remove the veil in terms of interactions with higher beings. Gigi Young has this new video about inter-dimensional contact:

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    08-15-2021, 10:12 AM
    I think that material technological and social development will be important for our human civilization. But as both Leo Gura and Gigi Young said, to remain on only the material level, even with science, is insufficient for reaching higher levels of consciousness.

    That fits with my view of how material technology is still a product of the veil, it's still a result of kundalini trapped in duality without oneness connection. So there needs to be an additional spiritual development alongside the material development on earth. Will there be, or already are, two separate "timelines" on earth? I don't know. My guess is that the spiritual alchemy process will at first be within us humans and then later some kind of integration between the material and the spiritual will happen on an external level.

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    08-15-2021, 10:29 AM
    (08-14-2021, 11:40 PM)Anders Wrote: The Vatican I believe serves both as manager of the veil and also as holding the keys of unknowing. Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit which locked their kundalini so that they became separated from God by the veil.

    This is symbology for how humanity had to develop on its own through the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It's the path that "which is not" because in truth there is no actual separation, and evil is the result of the seeming separation. This was necessary in order to bring humanity in an undifferentiated state of oneness with God in the garden of Eden, into developing separate individual personalities by learning the knowledge of good and evil. And the next step is for humanity to integrate back into oneness on a higher level with developed individuality and having gained a unique civilization on its own as a result of the veil.

    I do not know about the vatican as it is very matrialistic and has done a lot of damage to ppl here on the earth. I am open to investigation but not through videos and such. Well, the story of Adam and Eve are an allegory, would you agree with this? If it were, what would the allegory represent? And in your estimation, what would the garden of eden represent?
    The Creator is at the seat of the self located within the hear of each entity. I think we both understand this perfectly.

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    08-15-2021, 10:32 AM
    Oh yes, and to add to the quote that you posted, there is nothing more important than knowing thyself and each can know thyself through the exploration of our personal experiences that are attracted to us. This is the hallmar of the self-aware entity. This is how I have understood it to be. Do you agree or disgree?

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    08-15-2021, 11:11 AM
    (08-15-2021, 10:32 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Oh yes, and to add to the quote that you posted, there is nothing more important than knowing thyself and each can know thyself through the exploration of our personal experiences that are attracted to us. This is the hallmar of the self-aware entity. This is how I have understood it to be. Do you agree or disgree?

    True, all external information can at most be pointers as I see it. Such information can be useful to guide oneself and the information can also lead to false tangents. And about attracting information, that's an interesting observation. It could be that as we develop ourselves we will be able to attract more of the information useful as a guiding tool. And I also find external information useful to prevent oneself from being trapped within a limited belief system. For example if I only learned from secular mainstream sources, that would block the spiritual potential. And even with spiritual information, if I only learned from one spiritual perspective that can easily be a too limited perspective. But yes, ultimately one needs to have direct personal spiritual realization for it to become real for oneself.

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    08-15-2021, 11:14 AM (This post was last modified: 08-15-2021, 11:15 AM by Anders.)
    (08-15-2021, 10:29 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:
    (08-14-2021, 11:40 PM)Anders Wrote: The Vatican I believe serves both as manager of the veil and also as holding the keys of unknowing. Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit which locked their kundalini so that they became separated from God by the veil.

    This is symbology for how humanity had to develop on its own through the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It's the path that "which is not" because in truth there is no actual separation, and evil is the result of the seeming separation. This was necessary in order to bring humanity in an undifferentiated state of oneness with God in the garden of Eden, into developing separate individual personalities by learning the knowledge of good and evil. And the next step is for humanity to integrate back into oneness on a higher level with developed individuality and having gained a unique civilization on its own as a result of the veil.

    I do not know about the vatican as it is very matrialistic and has done a lot of damage to ppl here on the earth. I am open to investigation but not through videos and such. Well, the story of Adam and Eve are an allegory, would you agree with this? If it were, what would the allegory represent? And in your estimation, what would the garden of eden represent?
    The Creator is at the seat of the self located within the hear of each entity. I think we both understand this perfectly.

    I think at least the Adam and Eve story is mostly an allegory, symbolism for humanity beginning to develop an intellect. The garden of Eden to me represents the state of humanity before we developed individual personalities and an intellect.

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    08-15-2021, 11:52 AM
    I think that inter-dimensional beings are real but I must confess that I believe for example inter-dimensionals from Venus are actual humans from planet Venus! And that the breakaway civilization on earth consists of ordinary humans and it's the same as the inner earth civilization.

    So my guess is that they are not inter-dimensional in the sense of being from parallel dimensions or anything like that. However I do think that they are free from the kundalini duality trap. And that makes them at a higher level of consciousness than us regular humans on earth.

    One extremely difficult situation is that since we regular humans still have trapped kundalini energy, the advanced humans can't be too direct with their information or with contacts, because that would strengthen the veil! It would just churn our trapped kundalini duality states into more twisted duality states. This I believe is the main reason for why esoteric information is so veiled.

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    08-15-2021, 12:36 PM
    One interesting thing Gigi Young mentioned is that there are Venusians on earth right now running around in a golden state of being. That sounds like the yellowing stage in esoteric alchemy!

    This also means that those Venusians on earth already have a unity compass. And we ordinary humans need to align our personal compasses with their unity compass. Otherwise two separate half-unity compassed would develop clashing with each other.

    I came to think of the "victorious one" in Revelation 2 as meaning humanity with a unity compass. And Christ said that he will give the victorious one the morning star. My interpretation of that is that our unity compass will be integrated with the Venusian unity compass.

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    08-15-2021, 12:49 PM
    Hmm... Wait a minute. If there are Venusians on earth, then what about the breakaway civilization? They could be one and the same! Gigi Young said that there are two breakaway civilizations and Richard Dolan said that there is a lot of evidence for a newer breakaway civilization and that there also might be an additional ancient civilization.

    Joseph Farrell has also talked about breakaway civilizations in terms of more recent development. To me that seems to be what Gigi calls the lower breakaway civilization. And I believe that the lower breakaway civilization is just a front for the higher/ancient breakaway civilization. It's necessary to have such front based on the trapped kundalini duality state in order to be able to interact with the public civilization on earth.

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    08-15-2021, 02:08 PM
    I did a quick search for alchemy in relation to kundalini. I did find some pages connecting those terms. Rather complicated explanations. I found an easier way to connect them through the fictional story of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz:

    Quote:"L. Frank Baum’s classic fairytale, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, written in 1900, may be one of
    the most beloved children’s stories of the modern era. It may also, in fact, be an allegory of the
    mystic’s journey, using classic alchemical symbols and operations as Dorothy sojourns along the
    golden path toward reintegration and the discovery of the Philosopher’s Stone. The Emerald City
    at the center of Oz, for example, is a likely allusion to the Emerald Tablet of Hermes
    Trismegistus. But either by extreme coincidence or hidden intent, Oz closely parallels the seven
    operations of Azoth alchemy, which Baum would have been familiar with as a Theosophist and
    student of occultist Madame Blavatsky. This paper offers both the student of alchemy and
    general Oz enthusiast an entirely new way to read The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." - Timothy J. Ryan, FRC

    That's alchemy, but where is the kundalini connection? I made a sweeping simple connection. BigSmile In the book Dorothy wears silver shoes and in the movie she wears red shoes. Silver is the metal of the moon and represents the moon lock. Red represents (in my opinion) kundalini! It says on Wikipedia that the choice of changing the color of the shoes was in order to take advantage of the new Technicolor film format. Well, could be. It could also be that the color red was chosen to represent kundalini. Just my speculation, but anyway.

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    08-15-2021, 06:52 PM
    Just in brief because I am super tired this evening. I will give you an understanding that I have and maybe between the two of us, we can come up with something!
    The serpent in the allegory of Adam and Eve is the serpent power, life force or kundalini. He is colored blue-green in many texts because this force is the sexual force, Scorpio (life force) in which the same energy is also connected to life, death and rebirth. It has two opposing energies connected with it and this is the masculine principle, the male and the feminine principle, female. You can see these principles at work when you see life created on Earth is the easiest way to see this force in action. There is way more to it but this is in brief. You can do more research if you would like. But note that the polarities are present in this allegory of Adam (the son of red earth) and Eve. Adam, the masculine, the what is referred to as "the namer" or what could be considered the conscious mind and Eve the feminine, the mother, the nurturer, the subconsciousness. And this play in polarity is also seen in the giving of life and in the releasing of life and, on the other side of this release are transformative powers or rebirth, again Scorpio. Take a look at a couple Tarot Keys, Key 6 The Lovers and Key 13 Death then take a look at Key 1 The Magician and Key 2 The High Priestess. Look at the rider waite deck or the BOTA deck

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    I believe there is a correlation between the material world and the spiritual world. Ra says that everything is thought. On a material level everything is made of space according to some researchers. So for example atoms are structured space. And space contains enormous amounts of energy.

    Quote:"Physics currently lacks a full theoretical model for understanding zero-point energy; in particular, the discrepancy between theorized and observed vacuum energy is a source of major contention.[4] Physicists Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated the zero-point radiation of the vacuum to be an order of magnitude greater than nuclear energy, with a single light bulb containing enough energy to boil all the world's oceans." - Wikipedia

    That's ridiculous. Zero-point energy has much more power than that. Here I believe is the correct answer although the energy is so large that scientists themselves can'r believe it, lol.

    Quote:"Another explanation for how space acquires energy comes from the quantum theory of matter. In this theory, "empty space" is actually full of temporary ("virtual") particles that continually form and then disappear. But when physicists tried to calculate how much energy this would give empty space, the answer came out wrong - wrong by a lot. The number came out 10^120 times too big. That's a 1 with 120 zeros after it. It's hard to get an answer that bad. So the mystery continues." - https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/fo...ark-energy

    And this answer from Ra is more in line what zero-point energy actually is:

    Quote:"Questioner: How were the blocks moved?

    Ra: I am Ra. You must picture the activity within all that is created. The energy is, though finite, quite large compared to the understanding/distortion of your peoples. This is an obvious point well known to your peoples, but little considered.

    This energy is intelligent. It is hierarchical. Much as your mind/body/spirit complex dwells within an hierarchy of vehicles and retains, therefore, the shell, or shape, or field, and the intelligence of each ascendingly intelligent or balanced body, so does each atom of such a material as rock. When one can speak to that intelligence, the finite energy of the physical, or chemical, rock/body is put into contact with that infinite power which is resident in the more well-tuned bodies, be they human or rock.

    With this connection made, a request may be given. The intelligence of infinite rock-ness communicates to its physical vehicle and that splitting and moving which is desired is then carried out through the displacement of the energy field of rock-ness from finity to a dimension which we may conveniently call, simply, infinity.

    In this way, that which is required is accomplished due to the cooperation of the infinite understanding of the Creator indwelling in the living rock. This is, of course, the mechanism by which many things are accomplished which are not subject to your present means of physical analysis of action at a distance." - Law of One 3.8

    And the deeper energy body then is made of zero-point energy. And the physical body made of atoms is just a flimsy ripple of zero-point energy.

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    08-15-2021, 07:33 PM
    (08-15-2021, 06:52 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Just in brief because I am super tired this evening. I will give you an understanding that I have and maybe between the two of us, we can come up with something!
    The serpent in the allegory of Adam and Eve is the serpent power, life force or kundalini. He is colored blue-green in many texts because this force is the sexual force, Scorpio (life force) in which the same energy is also connected to life, death and rebirth. It has two opposing energies connected with it and this is the masculine principle, the male and the feminine principle, female. You can see these principles at work when you see life created on Earth is the easiest way to see this force in action. There is way more to it but this is in brief. You can do more research if you would like. But note that the polarities are present in this allegory of Adam (the son of red earth) and Eve. Adam, the masculine, the what is referred to as "the namer" or what could be considered the conscious mind and Eve the feminine, the mother, the nurturer, the subconsciousness. And this play in polarity is also seen in the giving of life and in the releasing of life and, on the other side of this release are transformative powers or rebirth, again Scorpio. Take a look at a couple Tarot Keys, Key 6 The Lovers and Key 13 Death then take a look at Key 1 The Magician and Key 2 The High Priestess. Look at the rider waite deck or the BOTA deck

    The color blue-green is very interesting in my opinion. I think of kundalini itself as represented by the color red. However blue-green to me indicates a mind (blue) to heart (green) connection. Adam and Eve were ensnared by the serpent who became coiled up at the base of the spine, and without a heart-mind connection.

    So in third density with the veil we have a disconnected heart chakra. A connected heart chakra is what Ra calls an activated green-ray.

    Quote:"Questioner: Can you tell me how the adept, then, after being able to hold the image for several minutes, what he does then to affect planetary consciousness or increase positive polarity? I still don’t quite understand about this.

    Ra: I am Ra. When the positive adept touches intelligent infinity from within, this is the most powerful of connections for it is the connection of the whole mind/body/spirit complex microcosm with the macrocosm. This connection enables the, shall we say, green-ray true color in time/space to manifest in your time/space. In green ray thoughts are beings. In your illusion this is normally not so.

    The adepts then become living channels for love and light and are able to channel this radiance directly into the planetary web of energy nexi. The ritual will always end by the grounding of this energy in praise and thanksgiving and the release of this energy into the planetary whole." - Law of One 50.9

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    08-15-2021, 07:44 PM
    Are there several different layers of energy bodies? I think yes, but they are all zero-point energy I believe. Here is an answer from Ra about different levels of energy bodies:

    Quote:"Questioner: In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral, and the mental. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects, etc., of each of these or any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?

    Ra: I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies and each body’s effects in various situations is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave.

    We have the number seven repeated from the macrocosm to the microcosm in structure and experience. Therefore, it would only be expected that there would be seven basic bodies which we would perhaps be most lucid by stating as red-ray body, etc. However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name.

    The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.

    The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.

    The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.

    The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.

    The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.

    The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.

    The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.

    Each of these bodies has an effect upon your mind/body/spirit complex in your life beingness. The interrelationships, as we have said, are many and complex.

    Perhaps one suggestion that may be indicated is this: The indigo-ray body may be used by the healer once the healer becomes able to place its consciousness in this etheric state. The violet-ray or Buddhic body is of equal efficacy to the healer for within it lies a sense of wholeness which is extremely close to unity with all that there is. These bodies are part of each entity and the proper use of them and understanding of them is, though far advanced from the standpoint of third-density harvest, nevertheless useful to the adept." - Law of One 47.8

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    08-15-2021, 07:59 PM (This post was last modified: 08-15-2021, 08:01 PM by flofrog.)
    (08-15-2021, 12:36 PM)Anders Wrote: One interesting thing Gigi Young mentioned is that there are Venusians on earth right now running around in a golden state of being. That sounds like the yellowing stage in esoteric alchemy!

    This also means that those Venusians on earth already have a unity compass. And we ordinary humans need to align our personal compasses with their unity compass. Otherwise two separate half-unity compassed would develop clashing with each other.

    I came to think of the "victorious one" in Revelation 2 as meaning humanity with a unity compass. And Christ said that he will give the victorious one the morning star. My interpretation of that is that our unity compass will be integrated with the Venusian unity compass.

    Remember Anders, that Ra’s original planet was Venus, who in 3D at that time lived in a very much more harmonious way, than we do right now on Earth. I have to say I feel for our Earth’s soul.

    Quote:30.14
    Ra : I am Ra…. We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity (the progress of ) the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.

    It is to be hoped that many Venusian thought forms do reside within us now… Wink
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    @flofrog Yes, I find that Gigi Young's information matches the Law of One. Some terms she uses might be different such as fifth dimension which I think is basically what Ra calls fourth density. And yes, Ra is a social memory complex from Venus!

    The Venusian on earth in a golden state of being have I believe what Ra calls green-ray bodies. It's a bit tricky with all the different colors and what they represent. The yellowing stage in alchemy means I believe green-ray activation. It can be explained by how the yellowing stage is the transmutation of the heart (green) through kundalini (red) activation. Red plus green results in yellow = gold. The green-ray body has a golden heart, symbolically speaking.
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    08-15-2021, 08:28 PM (This post was last modified: 08-15-2021, 08:29 PM by flofrog.)
    (08-15-2021, 08:15 PM)Anders Wrote: @flofrog Yes, I find that Gigi Young's information matches the Law of One. Some terms she uses might be different such as fifth dimension which I think is basically what Ra calls fourth density. And yes, Ra is a social memory complex from Venus!

    The Venusian on earth in a golden state of being have I believe what Ra calls green-ray bodies. It's a bit tricky with all the different colors and what they represent. The yellowing stage in alchemy means I believe green-ray activation. It can be explained by how the yellowing stage is the transmutation of the heart (green) through kundalini (red) activation. Red plus green results in yellow = gold. The green-ray body has a golden heart, symbolically speaking.

    Exactly, Ra adds :

    Quote: 6.4
    Ra: The planetary influence was what you call Venus. We are a race old in your measures. When we were at the sixth dimension our physical being were what you call golden. We were tall and somewhat delicate. Our physical body complex covering, which you call the integumentary, gd a golden luster.

    Somehow, whenever I read what Ra said of their native planet, I always felt that exquisite sense of peace. Smile
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    08-15-2021, 08:33 PM
    (08-15-2021, 08:28 PM)flofrog Wrote:
    (08-15-2021, 08:15 PM)Anders Wrote: @flofrog Yes, I find that Gigi Young's information matches the Law of One. Some terms she uses might be different such as fifth dimension which I think is basically what Ra calls fourth density. And yes, Ra is a social memory complex from Venus!

    The Venusian on earth in a golden state of being have I believe what Ra calls green-ray bodies. It's a bit tricky with all the different colors and what they represent. The yellowing stage in alchemy means I believe green-ray activation. It can be explained by how the yellowing stage is the transmutation of the heart (green) through kundalini (red) activation. Red plus green results in yellow = gold. The green-ray body has a golden heart, symbolically speaking.

    Exactly, Ra adds :


    Quote: 6.4
    Ra: The planetary influence was what you call Venus. We are a race old in your measures.  When we were at the sixth dimension our physical being were what you call golden. We were tall and somewhat delicate. Our physical body complex covering, which you call the integumentary, gd a golden luster.

    Somehow, whenever I read what Ra said of their native planet, I always felt that exquisite sense of peace.  Smile

    Wow, that's a great dot connection. I hadn't seen that reference in the Law of One of Venusians as golden.
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    08-15-2021, 08:40 PM
    Aha! Now I understand why Barry Long calls our human civilization worthless. He addresses public audiences and has to ensure that his message is not interpreted as promoting a preservation of our fallen state. A tricky interpretation is that he means that our civilization is worthless until harvested, when the valuable in our civilization is extracted and separated from the "bathwater".

    Here is a video where Barry Long talks about a pure psyche, which sounds like the clear mind approach I mentioned earlier.

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    One important observation about the different energy bodies Ra described is that with transhumanism we will still be stuck in a yellow-ray body! Because things like biotech and nanotech only manipulate the material level of the body. My theory is that it's the zero-point energy that needs to become more fine-grained, more information-dense, higher vibration and that is through spiritual development.

    In this video Gigi Young talks about how biotech and medicine alone is insufficient for reaching higher spin of the physical body. That requires an inner initiation she said. Something like that.

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