Thinking, feeling and willing in a spiritual and daily matter

[tadeus]

The other mistake that people make, is to put Spirituality onto a pedestal. As if it was some greater higher force, and something that cannot be achieved. Spirituality and Physicality are the same thing, except on different levels of vibration. We set ourselves goals, and a point which we want to achieve, (and therefore I become Enlightened). Or, a sudden Spiritual discovery or understanding becomes a milestone, and is seen as a great achievement. It can also be a downfall, because it can be a point where we stop investigating further and deeper. It is the same with Meditation. We develop unhealthy habits and expectations that a specific goal must be overcome, and deeper Meditations. The purpose of Meditation is to find Inner Stillness and reach the Higher Consciousness. It then becomes repetitive and a sameness, and the original goal at the beginning has become lost in the analytical theories we create to explain what is happening, (or not happening). The best way to overcome this, is to vary the forms of Meditation we use. I use the Still Mind technique, and I am happy with that. Other people prefer Mantras, and my advice for that, is the vary the Mantras, so that it does not become repetitive. Accept your Physicality. It is you. You will never overcome your Physicality by denying it. When you are rejecting your Physicality. in an indirect sense, you are also denying yourself. The complete person is both Physical and Spiritual, and we must create a balance between the two aspects of ourselves.

Before i wake up i was not spiritual at all and today it is not easy for me to define the state of meditating.
It is difficult for me to have "strictly" meditation or to do it in a regular way, although i know more discipline would help me.

So it is always more a spontaneous work mostly walking in the nature.
There is a big intuition that let me visit and walk to places that help me to get into contact with the earth / gaia / group consciousness.

In addition to this there is the existance of the observer, that i have described in different posts, pointing out the different layers of existance and angles of view (like the time).
This observer can be helpful to distinct between thinking, feeling and willing.

[tadeus]

Last night i could not sleep for a long time and there was a thought that comes near again to the beginning theme of this thread.
Maybe another approach can clarify the basic thought.

In time/space we are writing (together with our helpers) our life script with all the milestones planned for our spiritual and individual progress and experience.
This film script is optimized for our individual deficits and spiritual enlightening, that should lead to the fundamental choice.

But when the incarnation begins, you will find yourself in an environment, where other film scripts take over your complete life.
The script of education, school, career, family, live-style, bourgeoisie, military and so on.

There are so many foreign scripts that there is no room for your own script.
So you are captured and not able to care about your own life script.

At the end you will résumé after your incarnation that you where simply distracted from your life plan and have to try it again and again ...
Life and spirituality have not been integrated, you did not realize in your lifetime that you always have followed a foreign film script.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

The issue is not hard to understand.

One side wants to control and censor CRITICAL information and open discussion in order to keep things in line with THEIR dogmatic view of what constitutes "positivity", backed by people who want to stick their head in the sand. The other wants the censorship to cease and for there to be transparency and a singular, equal set of standards.

It's a pro-censorship vs. anti-censorship thing.

It is not some sort of misunderstanding.

[tadeus]

The issue is not hard to understand.

One side wants to control and censor CRITICAL information and open discussion in order to keep things in line with THEIR dogmatic view of what constitutes "positivity", backed by people who want to stick their head in the sand. The other wants the censorship to cease and for there to be transparency and a singular, equal set of standards.

It's a pro-censorship vs. anti-censorship thing.

It is not some sort of misunderstanding.

With the focus on censorship i will agree.

THEIR dogmatic is making informations to be CRITICAL.

[tadeus]

Today i read this new Transcript, only 2 month old, and i am estonished that Q'uo is talking about the Matrix.

June 23, 2021, Intermediate Channeling Circle

Q’uo: We are those of Q'uo, and we appreciate this query for it offers us a substantially wide field to speak to the many tangled distortions and misunderstandings which are so prevalent, indeed, woven into the fabric of your society and your individual identities. To examine this question, which ultimately is the work of the individual upon their path, is to make visible some of the walls of what in your popular culture is known as the matrix. This is not the matrix of the archetypal mind, but that which is connected to your movie and the metaphors therein. Indeed, your peoples, in variously mixed desires, often at the center of which is the desire to control, do indeed create these impositional structures which force or lock your fellow other selves into desired or limited behavior. This can be seen at various levels of your society, from schoolrooms to governments to workplaces. There is great value in collective agreements, boundaries, rules, and codes of conduct, as it were. But there is often a tendency toward the limitations of the full exploration of selfhood, the full manifestation of the uniqueness of selfhood, and the full exploration of the relationship between self-and-other and self-and-society.

One potential lens through which to examine this question is to look at the spectrum between freedom to be and to express and strictures which seek to limit that freedom. This is not necessarily a recipe for the seeking of that which is called anarchy. For it is quite possible in this ideal of freedom to enact and justify that which is of harm to self or other self or to harmony or to group cohesion or to the collective purpose.

And how to process that which seems opposed to such purpose or well-being or that which, however unintentional it may be, creates suffering for others is part of the work of third density. But the more open the structure can be, which can accommodate these wayward energies, even if the conclusion is the necessity for the boundary, the more that the group or society moves away from this unintentional slavery.

The "unintentional" adjective speaks to the reality or understanding that many within your society would see these restrictions as being of a positive nature. And indeed, in a world of chaos, as it may seem to the self without such order, this would seem to be an helpful way to sequence and structure and synthesize society into a cooperative whole. And while it can create levels of productivity and has yielded both positive and negative fruit, as all catalyst does, we would suggest that, relative to the long road of the ground of freedom, it is akin to the shortcut which the self seeks to impose upon the self through mechanisms of control of that which is not desired.

This is directly relating to the The Matrix Trilogy.

Understanding The Matrix Trilogy




Later on Q'uo speaks about the same things again, with similar thoughts i did have in the last time.

Q’uo: I am Q'uo, and I am aware of the query my brother. Indeed, from our perspective, we witness upon your planet a collective catalyst experienced with great vividness in recent, what you call, times. And in our perception, we find that this catalyst, correlating to the query you have offered is indeed somewhat designed to test these dynamics and apply a certain type of pressure to each individual and to the global collective as you experience it. There is a difficulty in addressing such a query in a clear sense due to the great variety of perceptions as they relate to the specific collective catalyst that you all have experienced. And so, we must speak, both to the effects of such a varied collective perception, as well as to the more general dynamic expressed within your query.

By nature, the third density is such as a dark room in which you, the individual seeker, are attempting to assess the layout of this room and, in a sense, build a life within this dark room, utilizing only the fickle flame of a small candle, in which only certain aspects of this room are available to your perception at any given time.

If we extrapolate this analogy into the dynamic expressed within your query, you are within a very large and very dark room with many other people, each with their own sources of light, their own flickering flames, with which they use to determine the layout of this room and also attempt in such darkness to find some cohesion between the self and the collective of other selves. The difficulty presented by this is that each individual may choose quite freely how their candle may be used, where they may point this light, whether or not they may combine their light with others. And because of this very scattered dynamic, some individuals may, through piecing together the incomplete glimpses of this dark room, a certain picture that is completely at odds with the picture collected by yet another seeker. And when these two seekers meet and share their findings, the stark difference between what they have discovered can be alarming or disconcerting, and, for many, creates a need experienced by the self to defend that which they have seen and collected for themselves, for it is upon this basis that they have built their entire relationship with this room - that being their life experience within the third density.

And so, these two individuals, which in reality upon your planet are billions of individuals, may both have a desire to practice some form of responsibility towards the collective and have a willingness to sacrifice some of their own individual desires or needs or beliefs in order to participate in a harmonious collective. Yet, when certain worldviews are so at odds, it is possible that, though multiple individuals share the same willingness to come together and meet upon shared ground, the shared ground cannot be found. And their willingness cannot connect with those around them.

We encourage each individual seeker to consider this dynamic deeply, for we find that when this difficulty of connecting rears its head, even some of the most intent seekers find themselves less willing to offer their fellow other selves the benefit of the doubt and choose to ascribe all manner of ill-intent or ignorance or faulty perception, and through such projection, further divide their ability to relate to other selves and other selves' ability to relate to the self.

This is a dynamic that we find has been exacerbated upon your planet in recent years. And we offer to those considering this dynamic our encouragement and a touch of light by indicating that this is, indeed, a part of a process in which there are now energies available to you as a collective upon your planetary sphere that strengthen your ability to connect with others and to come together as a unified peoples. Yet the availability of this energy, when presented to a collective attempting to sort through the unconscious distortions that have gripped your societies so strongly throughout millennia, that these dynamics must be accentuated so that then they may be seen with clarity.

We suggest that the strongest and most effective approach when considering this is to remain centered within the heart as you consider other selves with seemingly offensive or even dangerous views of reality and, when possible, offer other selves the benefit of the doubt and recognize that, though they may seem stubborn, there is a shared willingness to release some level of personal attachment to a view of reality and come together. And if this is fostered and acknowledged and continuously touched upon in such seeking, it may grow and blossom as a flower in a garden that is given due attention and water.

To speak briefly upon the more general dynamic posed within this query, we may point out that the third density is intentionally designed to put the individual into a relationship with the large collective—not simply the smaller tribe of family or what this instrument is familiar with as the “monkey bubble,” [2] that which is an animalistic connection to the tribe around one—but to a great variety of entities that one may never interact with in the real life.

But one is aware that there are a multitude of such individuals scattered across the planet, and that, though they exist in what seems to be an insurmountable distance, there is still a direct connection through the collective unconscious, and within this connection is the potential for shared love despite this lack of closeness or familiarity. The individual is placed in this position within third density to explore the types of questions that this query poses and push the individual to both allow the collective to influence it and for it to exert an influence upon the collective.

This is a process of stages, as we witness among those individuals who walk the path of spiritual evolution, whereby entities may fluctuate in some manner between a desire to strongly establish their individual rights to exist and to be as they believe to be right, against the collective, then fluctuating towards the view of a strong responsibility to serve the collective and to be a part of a larger humanity than is contained within the individual self.

Specially this is in resonance with my observations and feelings:

Gary: That was illuminating. Thank you, Q'uo. I've got another spontaneous one. In a similar vein, Ra described that the impact of the increasing fourth-density light was such that, for some entities, instead of moving upward into greater collective and green-ray considerations, they experienced something of a regression or reversion, in my paraphrase. That is, they reverted to considerations of self and the orange ray. Ra added that there are many upon our plane in this state at that time. [3]

Can you speak to how that particular input affects the collective soup at this time?

Q’uo: I am Q'uo, and I am aware of the query, my brother. We appreciate the scope of this question as it relates to your present condition, for we find that, in the time since those of Ra offered this perspective, the dynamic at play has increased upon your planet, and even more fourth-density light is becoming available. And thus the condition described by those of Ra increases, both in the positive or beneficial aspects or in the seemingly difficult aspects of individuals reverting to more primal stages of development and perception.

To speak to the effects of this dynamic upon the so-called collective soup of your planetary sphere, we point to what seems to be, to this instrument and to many others, a growing polarization among the collective need to organize, also called the political realm of your society, as well as the ever-present streak among your peoples of fear about the state of your political world or your world in general.

The fear and polarization is not a new dynamic, for we find that it has been present ever since the first forms of government or collective society have existed upon your planet. Yet, as your planet is now more connected and varied in government and society with the addition of this fourth-density energy, we find that it is indeed stronger than ever in the history of your planet. And yet, as we spoke to within the previous query, this creates a certain accentuation so that your peoples, as a collective, may see more clearly that this reversion, which results in greater fear and greater polarization among social perspectives, is an aspect of your society that needs addressed. Though there are many differences in perspective among the many various factions, we find that the awareness of the need and desire to build common ground is also stronger than ever upon your planet.

And so, through this greater impact of fourth-density energy that may create a reversion among individuals and groups to more basic expressions in the lower chakras, the fourth-density energy also offers its light in terms of a shared awareness of what is happening. And through this reversion, as the individual's worldview shrinks and focuses more towards the individual or towards the close tribe, this focus offers its own catalyst that, if inevitably utilized by the individual, the fourth-density nature of this reversion may become clear, more so than in your planet's history. And through such a reversion, the individual may experience somewhat of a death and rebirth, as the catalyst generated by this reversion becomes increasingly harsh and chips away at the individual that experiences the reversion.

The strength of this energy that generates this dynamic is correlated also to the potential for transformation. And thus, you may see that this dynamic described by those of Ra may seem, in a sense, undesirable, it is, in fact, a great opportunity; and though a moment like your present may seem to generate despair, it will ultimately, we believe, result in unprecedented and unexpected transformation of collective will and collective purpose shaped upon the foundation of the love and understanding innate within these fourth-density energies that bombard your planet at this time.

You may, as seekers, open yourselves to this energy and allow it to potentiate your actions and find guidance within it, for this energy or light, as it is filtered through your Logos and your planet, weaves together the intelligences of those beings and your collective, and generates a potential social memory complex to form that you may aid by allowing yourself to place your faith in this process and in this loving and intelligent light that is available at this time.

[flofrog]

Thank you so much tadeus.

Stay centered within the heart

, I see the energy here, even as there is such strong debate, and because the debate is so strong, an indication how desired indeed is the internal desire to find common ground in the end.

[tadeus]

Thank you so much tadeus.

Stay centered within the heart

, I see the energy here, even as there is such strong debate, and because the debate is so strong, an indication how desired indeed is the internal desire to find common ground in the end.

Thank you flofrog.

This informations and facts are really painful to understand, but with this knowledge the fiction cannot exist any more.
The people are compelled to think about what they are and why they are here.
This will lead them back to their life plan.

We have been massively distracted and distorted in the last hundreds of years to avoid this transformation into the 4th density of love.
To suppress to realize that we are all one.
To play off all the different folks / races on this planet against each other, to avoid that they can profit from their different views and attributes.
To administrate all the beings effective in different countries and states like cows in different meadows.
To disturb the natural evolution and transformation of the mind.

[tadeus]

This Altitudes of Development maybe helpful to illustrate the wake-up process.
Of course the colours are not correlating with the energy centers.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Personally, I like to change my mind often. So if we put people into groups then we are not allowing that the person can change their mind and so their grouping from one moment to another.

It's just easier not to use any labels or groupings.

Yes - the mind can only be seen as a snapshot in the now.
And i agree that everything would be easier not to use any labels or groupings.

But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups.
People and states are more isolated against each other and the fear to do something wrong is increasing.

"But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups.
People and states are more isolated against each other and the fear to do something wrong is increasing."

Well, nothing would be easier to control than to split people into two camps, dividing one against the other. This is what could be seen happening in the world today. The lower manifestation of togetherness called tribalism. The higher manifestation would be unity that recognizes differences but accepts the difference and is always trying to bring the unbalanced back into balance. Truthfully, unity does not exist without two opposing sides. The opposition is quite natural and so is the balance. What is not natural is to form camps and keep people, ideas and so forth stationed on one side or the other. This goes against universal principles and therefore it goes against the progress of the natural man to the spiritual man.

[tadeus]

"But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups.
People and states are more isolated against each other and the fear to do something wrong is increasing."

Well, nothing would be easier to control than to split people into two camps, dividing one against the other. This is what could be seen happening in the world today. The lower manifestation of togetherness called tribalism. The higher manifestation would be unity that recognizes differences but accepts the difference and is always trying to bring the unbalanced back into balance. Truthfully, unity does not exist without two opposing sides. The opposition is quite natural and so is the balance. What is not natural is to form camps and keep people, ideas and so forth stationed on one side or the other. This goes against universal principles and therefore it goes against the progress of the natural man to the spiritual man.

Hopefully this splitting will be a catalyst for the insight that we are all one and this splitting is only an enactment.
By all means it will empower tribalism and the cohesion of clan / family.

But first we must overcome the zenith of fear that will come with the coming reduction of the people ...

[Ohr Ein Sof]

"But we have a time now with a increasing split into groups.
People and states are more isolated against each other and the fear to do something wrong is increasing."

Well, nothing would be easier to control than to split people into two camps, dividing one against the other. This is what could be seen happening in the world today. The lower manifestation of togetherness called tribalism. The higher manifestation would be unity that recognizes differences but accepts the difference and is always trying to bring the unbalanced back into balance. Truthfully, unity does not exist without two opposing sides. The opposition is quite natural and so is the balance. What is not natural is to form camps and keep people, ideas and so forth stationed on one side or the other. This goes against universal principles and therefore it goes against the progress of the natural man to the spiritual man.

Hopefully this splitting will be a catalyst for the insight that we are all one and this splitting is only an enactment.
By all means it will empower tribalism and the cohesion of clan / family.

But first we must overcome the zenith of fear that will come with the coming reduction of the people ...

IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely.

[tadeus]

IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely.

Can you explain this more in detail please?

Social Memory Complex – When a collection of related entities, called
a social complex, reaches a point of one orientation or seeking, it becomes
a social memory complex. In a social memory complex, the experience of
each entity is available to the whole, this forming a group memory that
becomes available to the entire social complex. This is generally achieved

11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

Ra: I am Ra. A mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. The group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then become[s] known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. The advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.

Hmm - at this time i cannot find a useful definition from Ra about something like a mind/body/spirit social complex ...

[jafar]

IMO, tribalism is not a desired outcome. Individualism is the desired outcome and creating union between individuals. When we speak about tribes we are not speaking about a collective as that is something else entirely.

Can you explain this more in detail please?

Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual".

As for example.. personas within a person with Multiple Personality Disorder merging with each others, gaining access to each other's memory and realize that it's actually one individual.

And it rings well with Ra's definition quoted below.
As an identity / individual known as Ra by itself is the result of merging of about 9 millions personas.

Social Memory Complex – When a collection of related entities, called
a social complex, reaches a point of one orientation or seeking, it becomes
a social memory complex. In a social memory complex, the experience of
each entity is available to the whole, this forming a group memory that
becomes available to the entire social complex. This is generally achieved

11.17 Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

Ra: I am Ra. A mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. The group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then become[s] known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. The advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.

Ra uses the metaphor of a tree while others uses the metaphor of river.
It's used to describe the 'branching' of one to become 'many' and the 'merging' of many back to become one.
Just like branches of tree originated from the same root / trunk or in reverse, branches of creeks and rivers will eventually merged into one large bodies of water called sea.

[tadeus]

Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual".

As for example.. personas within a person with Multiple Personality Disorder merging with each others, gaining access to each other's memory and realize that it's actually one individual.

When someone has a Multiple Personality Disorder this multiple persons exist without knowing each other as far i know.

Ra uses the metaphor of a tree while others uses the metaphor of river.
It's used to describe the 'branching' of one to become 'many' and the 'merging' of many back to become one.
Just like branches of tree originated from the same root / trunk or in reverse, branches of creeks and rivers will eventually merged into one large bodies of water called sea.

Yes - this will make sense.

But we have talked about different type of groups an individual can be part of.
All this different groups exist simultaneously, like a clan, folk / tribalism, human being.
So this can be seen as a zoom level within the fractal being of the one creator.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Hmmm.. I understood this in the context of "Multiple Personas realizing that it's actually one individual".

As for example.. personas within a person with Multiple Personality Disorder merging with each others, gaining access to each other's memory and realize that it's actually one individual.

When someone has a Multiple Personality Disorder this multiple persons exist without knowing each other as far i know.

Ra uses the metaphor of a tree while others uses the metaphor of river.
It's used to describe the 'branching' of one to become 'many' and the 'merging' of many back to become one.
Just like branches of tree originated from the same root / trunk or in reverse, branches of creeks and rivers will eventually merged into one large bodies of water called sea.

Yes - this will make sense.

But we have talked about different type of groups an individual can be part of.
All this different groups exist simultaneously, like a clan, folk / tribalism, human being.
So this can be seen as a zoom level within the fractal being of the one creator.

Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made.
Number one, a "human being" is not a tribe. It is one homo sapien.
The modern world has left tribalism behind. I say the modern world and not those that are still living in the bush or on isolated islands and so forth.
Tribalism:
With a negative connotation and in a political context, tribalism can also mean discriminatory behavior or attitudes towards out-groups, based on in-group loyalty.
In-group loyalty. Meaning, that another group is on the outside of that particular tribe. We are speaking of tribes just like we would look at ancient man as hunter-gatherer groups and this is exactly what I am referring to as tribalism. Where anything outside of this tribe sybolizes an outsider.
A collective or a social memory complex is just as Jafar has said and as Ra stated it. It is a collection of "individuals" seeking together and what links them is the very thing they seek while remaining an individual or uniquely itself.
Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society
Modern society is a collection of individuals. Sure, we have families but we leave these families to forge our own way while staying in touch with our families. This is far from tribalism. Tribalism stays exclusively within the tribe and is loyal to only that particular tribe.

We, together, yet individual are leaving the ways of being a hunter-gatherer type people, I hope.
A collective would invite others to become a part of the collective where the tribe would protect the integrity of the tribe and be suspicious of a newcomer.
Togetherness is a higher expression of tribalism because the individual decides to be a part of or to join the force that unifies. The individual does not join the collective but it links up with the force that draw the others together while still remaining purely the self realized individual. All one would have to do is to read on the differences between being a member of a tribe and the behavior associated with that or connecting to a unifying force that allows the individual to remain uniquely itself while seeking a unifying force.
Though you study the Ra Material and seek with the rest of us, you still remain Tadeus and move through this creation as this avatar so to speak. You do not enforce rules and regulate the thinking of others to bend their ideas more toward the tribe. No. You allow others to think and be as they wish while each seeks the Creator together.
One bends free will the other allows the full expression of free will.

[tadeus]

Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made.
Number one, a "human being" is not a tribe. It is one homo sapien.
The modern world has left tribalism behind. I say the modern world and not those that are still living in the bush or on isolated islands and so forth.

Sounds like a discussion about political correctness and not about the meaning of a group complex or mind/body/spirit social complex.

Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society
Modern society is a collection of individuals. Sure, we have families but we leave these families to forge our own way while staying in touch with our families. This is far from tribalism. Tribalism stays exclusively within the tribe and is loyal to only that particular tribe.

Yes - maybe Collective Consciousness is a more neutral term.
But then you have simply replaced all this words with a modified meaning, that should describe only different groups / collocation of individuals, with the word collective.

This leads to the question why the meaning of words like tribalism or tribe has been demonized?
In my eyes there is only the reason to suppress this natural coherence of individuals and replace it with a government friendly collective like states and districts.
Why - because this natural coherence is very strong, specially in clans / families. But for the unintential slavery you need separated individuals.

The post before should only focus on the understanding, that each individual is at the same time part of different groups / complexes that represents a different mind.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made.
Number one, a "human being" is not a tribe. It is one homo sapien.
The modern world has left tribalism behind. I say the modern world and not those that are still living in the bush or on isolated islands and so forth.

Sounds like a discussion about political correctness and not about the meaning of a group complex or mind/body/spirit social complex.

Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society
Modern society is a collection of individuals. Sure, we have families but we leave these families to forge our own way while staying in touch with our families. This is far from tribalism. Tribalism stays exclusively within the tribe and is loyal to only that particular tribe.

Yes - maybe Collective Consciousness is a more neutral term.
But then you have simply replaced all this words with a modified meaning, that should describe only different groups / collocation of individuals, with the word collective.

This leads to the question why the meaning of words like tribalism or tribe has been demonized?
In my eyes there is only the reason to suppress this natural coherence of individuals and replace it with a government friendly collective like states and districts.
Why - because this natural coherence is very strong, specially in clans / families. But for the unintential slavery you need separated individuals.

The post before should only focus on the understanding, that each individual is at the same time part of different groups / complexes that represents a different mind.

Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society.
According to me and my personal understanding I see that many tribesman have fought others and have warred over the millenia. They move in tandum with one another and not that any of this is wrong or bad but it is the old way. We are to be third density which means self realized or individualized self and leave the so called tribe. This can be demonstrated when we leave home. This does not mean we do not go on to create families of our own but even when we do, our children leave us to go find themselves within the world. So possibly there could be something that is so closely related it could be seen as a nuance. Or it may be seen as a semantic. This is why I say for each to consider the likenesses and differences of these ideas while exploring what it means to be self-realized and individuated. I think social memory complexes for the "most" part come later in our development not that there are not some here already but as a whole ppl. We are to first realize the self and then as it relates to others. I think this is how the material reads. Anyway, this is my best. I have to prepare for a trip. Thanks Tadeus. It is always great to exchange with you.

[unity100]

For example, many people are studying the increasing polarization within the USA. It's not just in the USA, but it's very visible there at the moment.

Its mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves.

There are such segments in other countries, but their numbers generally reach at most ~10% of voter base. And a lot of their talking points come from far-right segments in US. There are a few countries where they can effect a controlling share of the vote, but those countries have generally FPTP voting system. Im not counting in reactionary societies like Saudi Arabia, of course.

[tadeus]

Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society.

The meaning of words has been defaced to use language against us.
As example you maybe have noticed that i don't like to use the word 'family', because the source is the word familia.

Etymology
familia f (genitive familiae); first declension
1. a household, all persons subject to the control of one man (whether relations, freedmen or slaves)
2. the slaves of a household, servants
3. a group of slaves stationed in one place; a brigade, gang (used for some purpose)

So this is part of the unintential slavery. Everyone who uses this word 'family' is a self designated slave.


The true meaning of tribes and clans is the historical correct word describing a certain group of individuals / people.

(anthropology) A society larger than a band but smaller than a state.

Synonyms: Dynastie, Sippe =>
From Middle High German sippe, from Old High German sibba, sippa, from Proto-West Germanic *sibbju. Cognate with English sib. =>
sib: Having kinship or relationship; related by same-bloodedness; having affinity; being akin; kindred.

That's all - not more.  

[tadeus]

ts mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves.

There are such segments in other countries, but their numbers generally reach at most ~10% of voter base. And a lot of their talking points come from far-right segments in US. There are a few countries where they can effect a controlling share of the vote, but those countries have generally FPTP voting system. Im not counting in reactionary societies like Saudi Arabia, of course.

It's not easy to say if the polarization is bigger in America.

But you should be aware the commercial three columns of this world:
* Power / might: City of London
* Military Executive: USA
* Religion / faith: Vatican

At this time the military executive is shifting to China when observed correct.
So the USA has done it's role and the Great Reset can start.

[tadeus]

Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society.

I read the following transcript and must think at this thread, explaining the tree-of-mind regarding a group mind.
It shows the meaning of different groups in third density.

Q'uo:
And from the personal subconscious behind the veil, under the ground, in the anatomy of the tree-of-mind, as it were, the unconscious moves into the racial mind, the first group mind. [This is] a subgroup of the planetary mind, which is the next step along the way in the deepening and expanding of the unconscious mind, that being the planetary or akashic mind which contains the unconscious, so called, of every living third-density entity upon the planet as a single mass mind, however fragmented it may be in your illusion. [This layer of mind] also contains the mind of your planetary sphere itself, Gaia, as you call her.

And from there, it descends deeper into an even broader layer, which may be called the archetypal mind, which contains not only the blueprint of the mind itself, patterning the workings of the rational and intuitive faculties, but also is the mind of your local sub- Logos.

And from there, the mind deepens and expands further into that which may be called the cosmic mind; which may be called the mind of the Creator, and the mind of the primal Logos; which is the mind of the infinite universe in which you find yourself presently. And these unconscious layers through the channel you know as the spirit complex, may connect to Intelligent Infinity itself—that which is Source, that which is mystery, that which is without quality.

In our thumbnail, we have given you description of the largest layers of the roots of mind, which send information, nutrients, energies and data upward to the trunk and the crown of the mind. That passage of information from these deeper layers is [performed by] that which you call the intuition. The intuition may be experienced and manifest in a variety of ways. Some of those include perceptions and sensations about the moment, about the self, about the other self, about making a decision that may seem not to be the product of analytical processes or mental reflections, per se, but may arrive as a certain knowing, or a certain awareness, a certain insight into the deeper layers beneath one's experience, or [insight into] the present energetic configuration of the other self that may not be present in their words, but is nonetheless emanating from their being and funneled to your conscious awareness through the faculty of intuition.

[unity100]

ts mostly US. A result of unchecked economic/wealth inequality coupled with the immense liberty of reactionary, dogmatic social groups in organizing and propagating themselves.

There are such segments in other countries, but their numbers generally reach at most ~10% of voter base. And a lot of their talking points come from far-right segments in US. There are a few countries where they can effect a controlling share of the vote, but those countries have generally FPTP voting system. Im not counting in reactionary societies like Saudi Arabia, of course.

It's not easy to say if the polarization is bigger in America.

But you should be aware the commercial three columns of this world:
* Power / might: City of London
* Military Executive: USA
* Religion / faith: Vatican

At this time the military executive is shifting to China when observed correct.
So the USA has done it's role and the Great Reset can start.

It is easy to say that negative polarization is bigger in US - at least for the social system and those who propagate that social system:

London: UK still has a lot of social programs and free healthcare that protects people from being left to die if they cant pay for something. Even if the existing conservative government is trying to privatize everything and make it like US as fast as they can. Whereas In US, police confiscates the tents of homeless people and drives them outside the city in the winter. To freeze. If you cant pay the hospital, you die. It doesnt get any more negative than that... Well... It does get more negative than that, but as far as this planet and this particular society goes, its as negative as we have.

Vatican: Not even relevant, just a religion. And there is a Liberation Theologist as the pope right now, so its as positive as it gets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

Liberation theology follows the example of actual man, Jesus.

China: Its just a country. Its military being stronger does not make it positive or negative.

...

Determining the positive/negative alignment of systems, cultures and people is not so very difficult. Some simple pointers give it away:

- Are poor, downtrodden, needy helped, protected, or are they reviled and persecuted
- Is there equality in the society in which everyone is treated as human beings, or is there a class-based social structure in which some are 'elites' and the rest are 'less worthy', based on whatever value metric (nobility, wealth etc)
- How selfish or selfless are the people in the society

Its not so very different than how you determine the nature of friends, relatives, people around you, really...

[tadeus]

It is easy to say that negative polarization is bigger in US - at least for the social system and those who propagate that social system:

London: UK still has a lot of social programs and free healthcare that protects people from being left to die if they cant pay for something.

Vatican: Not even relevant, just a religion. And there is a Liberation Theologist as the pope right now, so its as positive as it gets:

China: Its just a country. Its military being stronger does not make it positive or negative.

...

Determining the positive/negative alignment of systems, cultures and people is not so very difficult. Some simple pointers give it away:

- Are poor, downtrodden, needy helped, protected, or are they reviled and persecuted
- Is there equality in the society in which everyone is treated as human beings, or is there a class-based social structure in which some are 'elites' and the rest are 'less worthy', based on whatever value metric (nobility, wealth etc)
- How selfish or selfless are the people in the society

Its not so very different than how you determine the nature of friends, relatives, people around you, really...

Everything is only a different flavour of the same basic installation.
After the Great Reset everything will be harmonized into the New World Order.
What you describe in the USA was always selled as freedom and here in germany many people must pay a really big part of their income for securing the health system and there are many people that are indeed outside of the health system like in the USA.
When you have a closer look the differences are not so big. List of countries with universal health care

The City of London is not London City and has nothing to do with the UK - it is outstanding like the 'state' of the vatican.

The vatican is not only providing the 'christian religion', it is de facto the main part of the administration of the people of the world.
Please have a closer look at The Roman Curia.

Regarding the military have a closer look which country enforces international military interests (List of wars involving the United States).

I would say you are comparing nuances - from my (outer) point of view i see everywhere the same principle of unintential slavery.

[Patrick]

Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly.

[flofrog]

I think so too Patrick about money/slavery.
Ever so slowly, if only we could slightly make it faster. Compassion has to grow faster .

[Ming the Merciful]

Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly.

Realistically, money does exist, (and it doesn't). Apart from the small amount of money we hold in our wallets, the majority of money is "Virtual". Our bank account, credit card debt and other debts are not physical money. We are attached to something that is not real. All online transactions happen in a "Virtual Reality". Something is ordered online, and we pay by the concept of money. The virtual money in a bank account is sent to the seller, and the amount is subtracted from your bank account or added to the credit card debt. Then, (hey presto), the item that was ordered materializes out of thin air. No physical currency changed hands.

Patrick, what other system would you like to use instead? Goats? I wish to purchase a new printer please. Two goats? If the goats are already slaughtered, there is a ten percent discount. One goat and three gallons of goats milk? Or, five pounds of goats cheese. Bartering has its limitations. I am sure that "HP" would be overwhelmed with their multitude of goats. An "HP Pavilion Laptop", for one cow, two sheep and five pounds of goats cheese.

I can see where you are coming from, although bartering does not work in the "Virtual Financial World".

[Patrick]

Something like that.

https://eosprojects.com/the-technate-soc...ality.html

[Ming the Merciful]

Something like that.

https://eosprojects.com/the-technate-soc...ality.html

Now I see where you are coming from? Interesting website.

It is not the money that is the problem, but the corrupt banking system. The banking system is fixed in favour of the banks. The system needs to be overhauled and fixed, and shared wealth.

[Patrick]

Well even such a system is just a stop gap measure. To give time for the future generations to realize they don't need any type of system. Just fully automate everything and we're done.

[tadeus]

Unintentional slavery will exist as long as the concept of money is used. A reset won't help. We need to transit away from money. Before this can happen people need to see. Not enough people are seeing at the moment. But we're getting there slowly.

Yes - but you should be more precise.

Money itself is not bad, because it is only an exchange value. Specially money with an intrinsic value like silver or gold coins.
The real problem is that at this time the use of money will have every time an interest and that it is complete in the hand of (private) banks.

But this is not all - there is the unintential slavery over the person too.

Etymology
source Latin persōna (“mask used by actor; role, part, character”), perhaps a loanword from Etruscan ????? (φersu, “mask”)