Roaches ....

[pat19989]

Hello everyone!

I recently moved apartments. My old apartment had a very bad roach infestation, and guess what I just saw in one of my kitchen cabinets....

My initial reaction was one of anger and frustration. I do not like these pesky little pests! They are gross and unsanitary and terribly hard to get rid of !

As I talked myself into a storm of frustration, I realized the catalyst of it all. I dont have to react this way. I don't like these little creatures to have so much power over me, I mean they are just looking for some free food and water afterall. But at the same time, I do not want a full on roach infestation, and I am desperately hoping that I did not just move into one.

Anyways, any of you all have experience with roaches? I can't help but feel like the roaches following me is some sort of catalyst in action. I am a self-proclaimed ~animal lover~ but can't extend it to our little six-legged friends? SOunds like a fraud to me, hahah. Any spiritually neutral ways to rid myself of this burden? Peaceful remediation?

I've read that herbs like catnip and bay leaf act as natural repellants. I don't want to angrily kill these things like I used to. But I don't want to see them in my cabinets either ! AHHHHH !

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

[Patrick]

This is a large subject.

The real root issue is that we are now so disconnected from nature that we face such issues with difficult cohabitation.

Since I do not know how to reason and communicate with bacteria, I just take antibiotics if I am infected.

I just apply to same concept to insects in my house.

[Diana]

I just take any insects including spiders from the house outside in a glass. It requires a bit of finesse for fast moving critters like cockroaches and scorpions (I don't want to hurt them). For cockroaches, have a piece of mail handy so when you get them in the glass you can put that over the top. (Scorpions and spiders can't negotiate glass so it's not necessary then).

All life forms have a right to life in my view, and humans have invaded their environments. So I think it is good to honor their lives and do what we can to live amicably.

I have had cockroaches in certain houses I lived in due to the area. One time I was in the bathroom and I felt something under my toes. I looked down and saw a cockroach's antennae poking out from my toes, waving around.  This may sound strange, but I didn't react at all and got the feeling that the cockroach was "sweet." I think we are conditioned to see other life forms in certain ways because we have separated ourselves from the natural world.

I have lived in the second-most scorpion infested area of the Phoenix valley. My backyard had quite a few scorpions—you could see them at night on the walls around the backyard with a black light—because my neighbors all sprayed insecticide (which only made them sick but did not kill them). Sometimes they got in the house, and I took them back outside. I got stung once, and I took that one outside as well. I had cats at the time and they never got stung or had any problems with them that I was aware of.

I think it was "the Pleiadians" channeled by Barbara Marciniak (Bringers of the Dawn), who said that insects play with us. Like a gnat or fly that keeps landing on us—they are playing. It's another way to see things. And I also think if this sort of thing comes into someone's life that there is a message from the insect kingdom perhaps. Other life forms don't have the capacity to tell us things with our language, so communication happens in different ways.

[Margan]

I must admit I kill the mosquitos or little  flies but I apologize to them and wish them a wonderful and much better rebirth, and if possible not as an insect in my home....
I rescue the wasps and bees though.  
I wouldn't want roaches in my space either... I would get rid of them in a way that is acceptable to both sides.
Meditate on them  



Lol garlic, if you smear garlic all over your place, you will not only repell roaches according to the video, but no vampires will come near you...
the comments are funny

Good luck! I hope you find a solution

[pat19989]

This is a large subject.

The real root issue is that we are now so disconnected from nature that we face such issues with difficult cohabitation.

Since I do not know how to reason and communicate with bacteria, I just take antibiotics if I am infected.

I just apply to same concept to insects in my house.

I know right! the fear and anger that arises in me is embarassing really. It seems I have much work to do in my relation to gaia and all of her creatures, must work on calmly removing them without fear, anger, or malice in heart. Will be quite the test

[pat19989]

I just take any insects including spiders from the house outside in a glass. It requires a bit of finesse for fast moving critters like cockroaches and scorpions (I don't want to hurt them). For cockroaches, have a piece of mail handy so when you get them in the glass you can put that over the top. (Scorpions and spiders can't negotiate glass so it's not necessary then).

All life forms have a right to life in my view, and humans have invaded their environments. So I think it is good to honor their lives and do what we can to live amicably.

I agree in theory, working on practice haha

I have had cockroaches in certain houses I lived in due to the area. One time I was in the bathroom and I felt something under my toes. I looked down and saw a cockroach's antennae poking out from my toes, waving around.  This may sound strange, but I didn't react at all and got the feeling that the cockroach was "sweet." I think we are conditioned to see other life forms in certain ways because we have separated ourselves from the natural world.

Were you ever a person who would freak out at this type of occurrence? How did you change, or was it more of a subconscious transition?

I have lived in the second-most scorpion infested area of the Phoenix valley. My backyard had quite a few scorpions—you could see them at night on the walls around the backyard with a black light—because my neighbors all sprayed insecticide (which only made them sick but did not kill them). Sometimes they got in the house, and I took them back outside. I got stung once, and I took that one outside as well. I had cats at the time and they never got stung or had any problems with them that I was aware of.

Very interesting!

I think it was "the Pleiadians" channeled by Barbara Marciniak (Bringers of the Dawn), who said that insects play with us. Like a gnat or fly that keeps landing on us—they are playing. It's another way to see things. And I also think if this sort of thing comes into someone's life that there is a message from the insect kingdom perhaps. Other life forms don't have the capacity to tell us things with our language, so communication happens in different ways.

Daammnnn. Quite a few roaches came over to my place for a little play and they got beat down....

I can and will get better !

[Patrick]

This is a large subject.

The real root issue is that we are now so disconnected from nature that we face such issues with difficult cohabitation.

Since I do not know how to reason and communicate with bacteria, I just take antibiotics if I am infected.

I just apply to same concept to insects in my house.

I know right! the fear and anger that arises in me is embarassing really. It seems I have much work to do in my relation to gaia and all of her creatures, must work on calmly removing them without fear, anger, or malice in heart. Will be quite the test

There was a time when we knew how to communicate with them. There was also a time when we were part of nature in a way where we did not need to draw such lines in between our homes and nature.

Right now nature is "outside" the house, but nature does not know that and maybe would not even know how to stay out anyway.

[tadeus]

My initial reaction was one of anger and frustration. I do not like these pesky little pests! They are gross and unsanitary and terribly hard to get rid of !

Maybe this can be seen as psychic greetings for seekers?

We have a dormouse living in the wall that will resist to dispel.

This year there is a big attack by ants too.

There was a time when we knew how to communicate with them. There was also a time when we were part of nature in a way where we did not need to draw such lines in between our homes and nature.

There is only the answer: "Nice place here!"  
Or "Thanks for the invitation to this perfect nest and the food!"

[Margan]

Pat from what I gather from your posts you hold yourself to a very high standard and get angry at yourself when you don't meet your own expectations.
May I suggest to be kind and loving to yourself even if you "fail". Give yourself a hug! This is not an easy place and time to be here anyways, we all struggle in our own unique ways....
I hope it comes not across as intrusive, when I say this, it is just what came to my mind reading this thread
on another note, I will try to stop killing the mosq and flies altogether - Diana's loving kindness attitude really impressed me.
Taking out the scorpions - just WOW!

Let me add one little zen story here, it contains one of those stingy creatures

Two monks were washing their bowls in the river when they noticed a scorpion that was drowning. One monk immediately scooped it up and set it upon the bank. In the process he was stung.

He went back to washing the bowl when he noticed the scorpion fall into the water again. The monk once again saved the scorpion and was stung again.

The other monk asked him, “My dear friend, why do you continue to save the scorpion when you know its nature is to sting.”

“Because,” the monk replied, “to save it is my nature.”

[pat19989]

Pat from what I gather from your posts you hold yourself to a very high standard and get angry at yourself when you don't meet your own expectations.
May I suggest to be kind and loving to yourself even if you "fail". Give yourself a hug! This is not an easy place and time to be here anyways, we all struggle in our own unique ways....
I hope it comes not across as intrusive, when I say this, it is just what came to my mind reading this thread
on another note, I will try to stop killing the mosq and flies altogether - Diana's loving kindness attitude really impressed me.
Taking out the scorpions - just WOW!

Let me add one little zen story here, it contains one of those stingy creatures

Two monks were washing their bowls in the river when they noticed a scorpion that was drowning. One monk immediately scooped it up and set it upon the bank. In the process he was stung.

He went back to washing the bowl when he noticed the scorpion fall into the water again. The monk once again saved the scorpion and was stung again.

The other monk asked him, “My dear friend, why do you continue to save the scorpion when you know its nature is to sting.”

“Because,” the monk replied, “to save it is my nature.”

Thank you Margan ! I appreciate your observation and advice, and do not find it intrusive. Any reminder to go easier on myself is welcomed .

That's a beautiful story as well. I feel that humanity deep down has this tendency to want to act as a saving or 'mothering' force to those we perceive as needing it. Just recently I past a bird who was injured and unable to fly struggling in the road. I felt something inside me that would just not allow it to stay in the road where it would be crushed by car inevitably, even though I knew very well it would be killed in another way eventually. I was faced with this dilemma of interfering just to change the matter of death. I moved the bird, but couldn't really justify why. It may have been eaten that night, or starved to death, both I would think would cause probably more pain and suffering than a quick blow from a car. But something inside me made me move that bird, even though the logic in my mind was identical to my previous sentence.

[Margan]

Wow that was quite brave of you!
I had a similar situation some weeks ago, I was walking by the pavement and there was a little bird sitting.... I really did not know what to do so I did nothing. Then afterwards I wondered "was that ok"
Later however someone said it was the right thing to do because when a little bird falls out of the nest we should leave them there so the mum can find him...
I still don't know.
I think those situations are like with the beggars - one is never sure to give them money (what if they only use it for drugs and alcohol?) and one does not feel good if not giving them money...
my friends brother who worked with homeless said never give them money because they should go to the official shelters and take the offerings there.
Again I don't know if there is a "one fits all" solution. I go with whatever feels right in the moment.... or sometimes if unsure, with what feels "less wrong" haha
So to quote Ra - this density is not of knowing.
Om shanti shanti om, today I leave you in the peace and loving understanding of not knowing

[Diana]

Were you ever a person who would freak out at this type of occurrence? How did you change, or was it more of a subconscious transition?

I never liked killing anything, but some insects used to scare me such as spiders. I actually don't have a memory of ever even killing spiders, though. I have one horrid memory of "fly strips" my mother used to use when I was little. They were something like a roll of sticky film that you unwind and hang on something. I can still hear the flies stuck to it dying. So I guess I have always been like this.

Once you get past the conditioned fright and repulsion (and that is not to say that one discards common sense when it comes to poisonous creatures such as black widows and rattlesnakes) you are able to see other things about creatures. I have gotten more and more used to wild creatures over the years and the more used to them I become, the more beauty I see in them. When I get a scorpion in a glass, I am able to safely look at it. They are amazingly beautifully designed. I came across a huge scorpion once in my front yard and it must have been ancient. I have a pic somewhere because I went in the house and got a ruler, put it next to it and photographed it—it was almost 6 inches long. The crazy thing is that it had somehow learned to chirp like a cricket (it's main food). It didn't sound exactly like a cricket but it was very close. It was incredible to witness that. 

We do get rattlesnakes here as well in the desert in the summer. They are territorial, so it makes no sense to kill them, really, as another will move in. So if there is one near, there will likely only be that one. And they tend to hang out in the same small areas. At night they curl up somewhere and if you know where, you just don't go near it. During the day, they can't be in the sun and sleep somewhere so you just have to be careful. I had the same one in my yard for a number of years I named Severus, and he (who was probably a she ) always came back to the same spots.

Over the years I developed ways to get the creatures out of the house. For example, I can use a plastic grocery bag to catch flies with. If you are patient and move slowly, you can slowly lower the open bag over the fly and if you can get it down far enough, the fly will fly up into the bag, you can wad it up loosely, and take it outside. I have wanted to invent a fly-catcher for years that would be easy to use.

Anyway, it's worth moving toward more integration with the natural world, and desensitizing from the visceral reactions and conditioned fears associated with insects and snakes etc. while, of course, keeping common sense in place.

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Here is a thread discussing giving money to the homeless:

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...t=homeless

[Margan]

I do not kill the spiders either, since I am superstitious   plus they eat the other insects at my place or so I heard. That won't put me in a quandary regarding the "elimination issue".....
but my nephew cried when he saw a spider at my apartment the other day. Poor thing he is so scared of them.
on an unrelated note, but re the not knowing issue... I was not sure whether to change my accountant.... not really happy with the "old" one but you never know, I asked a couple people and they did not know either...
so today I called for the second time a new accountants firm - last time the return call was impossible since my phone was not working yadda yadda.... and again I was unsure.
He just called me back and we had a couple of good laughs on the phone - yay!!!!
I think someone in this business with a sense of humour is quite rare - I only know serious dry types.
And we made an appointment! He takes me on as his new client.
I have a good feeling about this
if I can laugh with someone then they can't be bad imo
Sorry for digressing, but I am so happy now
(I already walked by their office the other day and they do not have the huge eye catching "covid restriction mortal threat DANGER " signs outside that my last one had so that also gives me a good vibe)

[IndigoSalvia]

We have fire ants really bad here, and I'd love to find a way to peacefully live with them. Watering will disband a nest, but they'll just move to another area.

I escort most bugs and critters from my home so they may carry on their way

But, fire ants are vicious - they swarm and sting en masse. I just haven't figure out a way to co-exist without them attacking.

Any tips?

[Diana]

We have fire ants really bad here, and I'd love to find a way to peacefully live with them. Watering will disband a nest, but they'll just move to another area.

I escort most bugs and critters from my home so they may carry on their way

But, fire ants are vicious - they swarm and sting en masse. I just haven't figure out a way to co-exist without them attacking.

Any tips?

Inside the house: The best thing to do is keep all food sealed and your house very clean. Even pet food should be sealed. If there is no food to find they just go away or don't come at all. Sugar is especially attractive to ants so leftover pie or cake should go in the fridge for example.

For out of doors: I would do the same. Keep garbage cans away from the house if possible. Also I would not have plants too close to the house and have a walkway around the house that is groomed.

I live very rurally off a dirt road, and we do have stinging ants here and there, but have no problems with them. They mostly have nests under a tree or near a water source. So that is another tip—have a water source for small animals outside, like bunnies, and they will likely congregate there. Along with food sources they also seek water sources. By the way if you do provide a water source, put a couple of rocks in it so tiny creatures can get out—baby birds or lizards can sometimes get trapped in a dish of water and not be able to get out.

[sequoyah]

usually try my best when it's convenient to do like Diana and save the pest.

When it isn't convenient - I feel a little bad about it, but after reading Yogananda's response to this question, he more or less said squash the mosquito, I feel better about it.

I was a little surprised to his answer as he's so peaceful an example of enlightenment in incarnation to me.

His answer was they are a lower life form that cause hardship, give them the opportunity to come back as something better. A little blessing then splat! If I have to choose between them and healthy 3rd density consciousness experience it's an easy choice.

[Diana]

usually try my best when it's convenient to do like Diana and save the pest.

When it isn't convenient -  I feel a little bad about it, but after reading Yogananda's response to this question, he more or less said squash the mosquito, I feel better about it.

I was a little surprised to his answer as he's so peaceful an example of enlightenment in incarnation to me.

His answer was they are a lower life form that cause hardship, give them the opportunity to come back as something better.  A little blessing then splat!  If I have to choose between them and healthy 3rd density consciousness experience it's an easy choice.

If you feel bad about it, I recommend you rethink your actions. I wouldn't follow what anyone else said—Yogananda or Ra or any other entity. Do what YOU think is right for your own reasons. 

What Yogananda said is bullsh*t if you ask me (and I respect some of his writings). You could say the same thing about a mentally challenged or physically handicapped human—kill them so they have the chance to come back as something better.

[sequoyah]

naw I don't feel bad about it now if they're roaches or parasites, with love and service to others attitude makes the difference.

this doesn't apply to your example of a 3D free will being at all in my opinion, we have dominion over 2nd density, we're the gardeners? Diana do you have a garden that you weed? Same concept to me as a roach, the weed may be more conscious than the roach even, I don't know.


This falls under the balancing Compassion/Wisdom section of our lessons I think, the monk who let himself get stung by the scorpion twice for no reason was not wise.

[sequoyah]

naw I don't feel bad about it now if they're roaches or parasites,  with love and service to others attitude makes the difference.

this doesn't apply to your example of a inspirited 3D free will being at all in my opinion, we have dominion over 2nd density, we're the gardeners?  Diana do you have a garden that you weed?  Same concept to me as a roach, the weed may be more conscious than the roach even, I don't know.


This falls under the balancing Compassion/Wisdom section of our lessons I think, the monk who let himself get stung by the scorpion twice for no reason was not wise.

[flofrog]

lol, I aim to never kill any insect at all, but we dont have any scorpions where I live

I am lucky to have no roach at home but centipedes have started to appear so I slide them in a glass and let them out outside. I am careful cause they seem to be large ones which bite is slightly poisonous..

[Diana]

lol, I aim to never kill any insect at all, but we dont have any scorpions where I live

Scorpions are very beautiful creatures. Here is a link to one of my websites where I uploaded the Promenade á Deux, the scorpion mating dance:

http://dianafeathers.com/amazing-animals/

Scorpions phosphoresce under a black light. The female appears to be carrying babies on her back (they do not phosphoresce).

[flofrog]

Whoa Diana, totally awesome, thank you !!!  I love when they don’t move but just move their arms, absolutely amazing…

[IndigoSalvia]

A roach story. Last night we were eating outside at a restaurant when a roach (big, Texas-sized, flying) appeared. One of my party started squealing and was scared. I blew the roach away and it went on its way. Except, it didn't. It kept coming back. The table near us was a younger crowd, early 20s. I motioned to a young lady at the table next to us: hey, you have a visitor. (I didn't want them to become startled and kill it.) To my surprise, none of them flinched, they were completely accepting of the roach. The young woman said: it's cool, this roach has many stories to tell.

Just pure love. Inspiring.

[Diana]

IndigoSalvia—I love your story. Thank you, and in my heart I thank the young woman who said such a beautiful thing.

[sequoyah]

[IndigoSalvia]

This bond is so sweet. Reminds me of our little monarch friend with a deformed wing. We moved it to a flowering bush by all of the other monarchs, and kept watch over it.