Spheres and Planes. Clues to Harvest

[Ocean]

well, yeah. why would we remember the part where we are in time/space? we will simply wake up from it. you think when clock strikes 12 our pumpkin turns into a carriage and we'll be all omg magic! or that everyone will suddenly croak and what? become ghosts? or some unified brain goo? everything that has happened thus far has been gradual. i just see no reason to suddenly go from that into some altered state. i think as light increases we will be more harmonious, and loving, work through our issues.

[3DMonkey]

Confuse me! No, I don't think "poof". I think croak. Then 100-700 years of stuff that is beyond me. Well, correction, I think that is what Ra says. I'm game for whatever.

[deangraves]

Of course not. You are 'all things' and have biases which can be balanced by (is complementary to) a negative entity's goal. Therefore you will experience their thought. Have fun, and thank them for the opportunity to present a specific teaching to you which you may have not even have imagined being necessary.

Negative influences can be stopped right now, by each individual (difficult to do in 3d). Negative influences are only thought forms and must have a seed within the recipient to be recognized and/or effective. These seeds are our "significators". By becoming aware (AKA "mindful") we begin to diminish the seeds that we hold in our energy systems that give negative influences the opportunity for growth. If you want to stop negative influences, meditate. By meditating we increase our concentration, which in turn increases our awareness, which in turn increases our mindfulness. We eliminate the seeds by shining the light of our consciousness into the darkness within.

[3DMonkey]

Of course not. You are 'all things' and have biases which can be balanced by (is complementary to) a negative entity's goal. Therefore you will experience their thought. Have fun, and thank them for the opportunity to present a specific teaching to you which you may have not even have imagined being necessary.

Negative influences can be stopped right now, by each individual (difficult to do in 3d). Negative influences are only thought forms and must have a seed within the recipient to be recognized and/or effective. These seeds are our "significators". By becoming aware (AKA "mindful") we begin to diminish the seeds that we hold in our energy systems that give negative influences the opportunity for growth. If you want to stop negative influences, meditate. By meditating we increase our concentration, which in turn increases our awareness, which in turn increases our mindfulness. We eliminate the seeds by shining the light of our consciousness into the darkness within.

Please don't use "significators". This term is used in the Ra material as something entirely different. Stick with "seeds" or "signals". Miscommunications are less likely this way.

I don't see anything wrong with your method. I call it Loving your enemy. This indeed brings light to the influence.

[zenmaster]

Of course not. You are 'all things' and have biases which can be balanced by (is complementary to) a negative entity's goal. Therefore you will experience their thought. Have fun, and thank them for the opportunity to present a specific teaching to you which you may have not even have imagined being necessary.

Negative influences can be stopped right now, by each individual (difficult to do in 3d). Negative influences are only thought forms and must have a seed within the recipient to be recognized and/or effective. These seeds are our "significators". By becoming aware (AKA "mindful") we begin to diminish the seeds that we hold in our energy systems that give negative influences the opportunity for growth. If you want to stop negative influences, meditate. By meditating we increase our concentration, which in turn increases our awareness, which in turn increases our mindfulness. We eliminate the seeds by shining the light of our consciousness into the darkness within.

'Darkness' is another word for the unconscious. It is true that by meditating we may increase awareness on areas of our personal unconscious, and to the extent that was echoed in the collective - on that aspect as well (Ra's 'tree mind'). However, how can we 'eliminate' the 'darkness within' to any extent more than we have effectively resolved all polarized bias, or duality, or are fully conscious, or fully actualized?

By meditating, we may become more familiar with or accepting of ourselves and know when we are straying 'off our true will' or 'will of the logos'. In that developmental sense, we may reduce the possibility of certain forms or levels of exploitation. However, the types of greeting may vary as much as any 'polarizing' potential that may exist in relationship between individuals or groups.

[deangraves]

Of course not. You are 'all things' and have biases which can be balanced by (is complementary to) a negative entity's goal. Therefore you will experience their thought. Have fun, and thank them for the opportunity to present a specific teaching to you which you may have not even have imagined being necessary.

Negative influences can be stopped right now, by each individual (difficult to do in 3d). Negative influences are only thought forms and must have a seed within the recipient to be recognized and/or effective. These seeds are our "significators". By becoming aware (AKA "mindful") we begin to diminish the seeds that we hold in our energy systems that give negative influences the opportunity for growth. If you want to stop negative influences, meditate. By meditating we increase our concentration, which in turn increases our awareness, which in turn increases our mindfulness. We eliminate the seeds by shining the light of our consciousness into the darkness within.

Please don't use "significators". This term is used in the Ra material as something entirely different. Stick with "seeds" or "signals". Miscommunications are less likely this way.

I don't see anything wrong with your method. I call it Loving your enemy. This indeed brings light to the influence.

Thank you for your reply, but I must respectfully disagree that significators are something different. Significators are our biases and prejudices that "flavor" our experience. It is by the use of freewill that we transcend these significators and move into transcendence, thereby raising our vibration (AKA level of consciousness). Our significators are the determinant of our personality, our uniqueness in all of creation. It is by our significators that we are able to expand the experiences of the Creator and by resolving these significators that we are able to evolve.

The more chaotic the consciousness, the greater the influence of the significators. The less the chaos the higher the vibration, the higher the level of consciousness, and the greater the movement (evolution) into higher consciousness. The resolution of the significators is achieved by awareness. Awareness is the movement from dark to light.

The seeds are nothing more than the core or foundational biases and prejudices. In and of themselves, they may be small, but we use them to interpret experiences. We identify an emotion with the experience because the emotion is the energy that we are feeling, and that we associate with core belief. When we become aware of the emotion, we can identify the significator through awareness. Once identified, we are able to resolve the foundational significator(s), and begin to respond to life's experience with awareness, rather than react to life's experience. We begin to view experiences with a "child's mind", unvarnished with significators, and we are able to see the Creator in all things... as they really are.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and allowing me to do the same.

[unity100]

significator is a term in Ra material that is apparently used to denote the overall resulting manifestation of the mind/body/spirit complex while incarnated and manifesting on the planet.

[deangraves]

significator is a term in Ra material that is apparently used to denote the overall resulting manifestation of the mind/body/spirit complex while incarnated and manifesting on the planet.

I don't disagree with that, but I believe there is more to it. Both the pre-manifestation and actual manifestation are energy, and therefore has both static and kinetic attributes. If you limited the perspective to the static, it can be said to be only the physical manifestation which does not fulfill the purpose of the archetypes. But the archetypes set forth a process. The process proceeds from the matrix through experience in time/space. When we apply the significator (biases and prejudices) by assigning an emotional value to the experience, it becomes kinetic (part of our material manifestation). If we never apply an emotional value to the experience, it never manifests. If we use only the significator we remain asleep and repeat the cycle until we awaken and begin to use our freewill (take charge of our life). It is only then that we are able to begin to move into the Transcendence phase and evolve.

[hogey11]

significator is a term in Ra material that is apparently used to denote the overall resulting manifestation of the mind/body/spirit complex while incarnated and manifesting on the planet.

I don't disagree with that, but I believe there is more to it. Both the pre-manifestation and actual manifestation are energy, and therefore has both static and kinetic attributes. If you limited the perspective to the static, it can be said to be only the physical manifestation which does not fulfill the purpose of the archetypes. But the archetypes set forth a process. The process proceeds from the matrix through experience in time/space. When we apply the significator (biases and prejudices) by assigning an emotional value to the experience, it becomes kinetic (part of our material manifestation). If we never apply an emotional value to the experience, it never manifests. If we use only the significator we remain asleep and repeat the cycle until we awaken and begin to use our freewill (take charge of our life). It is only then that we are able to begin to move into the Transcendence phase and evolve.

I have to side with dean on this!!! He is attacking the point I have been trying to get at, and did so quite eloquently! I think central to both of our viewpoints is the following challenge: What comes first - the body or mind? If we come from the body, then I have to agree with unity's point of view. However, if we start from the mind, then we have to justify that. Our mind provides the illusion in which we live in, and it is up to us to control it towards a set goal. This is done through our decisions made every day; we choose who we are, what we look like, how we act, and what we say.

I think what dean is also pointing out is that it is our "flavors" and our own understandings of the illusion that truly shape the 3rd density, in that the 3D world, as much as it is counter-intuitive, is not one of physicality and existence. It is one of self-awareness, and the net effect of that self-awareness leads to a certain appearance or configuration of the physical self. This is what separates humans from animals, and even "3D animals" from feral 2D ones. 2D entities are purely instinctual, and 3D could be seen as anything that is able to pervade that (ie self-awareness).

Check out Ra's breakdown of what the shift into 3D constituted for our ancestors:

19.10 Questioner: Can you tell me how this newly created physical complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?
Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.

There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

From this quote, I think there is reasonable doubt as to whether our 1D and 2D selfs come kit-and-parcel with 3D in a shift to a new plane. Each density, while intertwined with each other, still seem to be in activation individually as well as under the power of the senior density. If this is so, then dean's understanding of significators is not far off from exactly as unity described. Due to the senior density maintaining control over the lower densities, it maintains the overall manifestion of the mind/body/spirit. However, that does not mean that if 3D were stripped away, that the 1D and 2D selves would not remain. 3D means we choose our existence every day with every choice we make, thereby putting into existence our manifested self, good or bad.

[3DMonkey]

I have a few comments regarding your comments, hogey11. I can't say them because I'm not following your train of thought anymore. You are diving in hard and fast, and I appreciate it. I think you are making connections in your mind all over the place. If you could pinpoint one curiousity at a time, it will help me sound less one-track minded . We started off talking about the formation of green ray spheres and what the others spheres experience during that. I love talking about it of course. I'm not sure what the new point you see is.

[hogey11]

I have a few comments regarding your comments, hogey11. I can't say them because I'm not following your train of thought anymore. You are diving in hard and fast, and I appreciate it. I think you are making connections in your mind all over the place. If you could pinpoint one curiousity at a time, it will help me sound less one-track minded . We started off talking about the formation of green ray spheres and what the others spheres experience during that. I love talking about it of course. I'm not sure what the new point you see is.

Share your thoughts, brother!

I can probably come off as a little intense in some ways, but I truly appreciate the challenges and viewpoints that are offered by all. Each gives me a fresh angle to pursue within the framework of my own head/mind, and therefore, I accept all. I may not agree with you tho...

I am very scattered in my thinking. I'm not going to lie - half my posts I end up revising 4-5 times each because I start on one subject and halfway through i'm totally somewhere else, but I feel i'm making some progress in my own understanding of the world laid before us at this junction of s/t.

To "slow it down" a bit, I would say my central single curiosity lies in the fact that we know that the yellow sphere and green sphere are incompatible when in full activation. Despite this, there remains a "transition period".

We know from Don's questioning of Ra that the previous transition from 2D to 3D included some physiological changes as well as a powerful evolution over a short period of time. 2D to 3D, as mentioned in the quote from my last post, was the addition of abstract thought and a weakening of the body complex so as to challenge incarnated entities to start their quests in 3D. Why would our switch to 4D be much different than the cycle before? What real evidence do we have that this physical world and body will cease to exist due to some cosmic switch being flipped? All we have is Ra saying that our 3D self must die when we go into 4D. For myself, I don't feel Ra was speaking of a physical death in full, but instead the death of our perception of the world and our interaction with it. Like our evolution from animal to human, we will evolve into something more than ourselves currently are.

[3DMonkey]

Nice

I see all the same things, and I draw the conclusion that Ra was speaking precisely about physical death. Ra must be loving this . It's funny- you quote Ra to support your view I read it equally supporting my view.

Another thought I have- ra must be talking about a very specific 2D body that was used for us. Otherwise, I can only conclude that a mouse, or a hummingbird, must be extremely self aware because of it's strength. A horse must be extremely ignorant because those beautiful beasts epitomize strength. We both know this isn't this case.

[hogey11]

Nice

I see all the same things, and I draw the conclusion that Ra was speaking precisely about physical death. Ra must be loving this . It's funny- you quote Ra to support your view I read it equally supporting my view.

Another thought I have- ra must be talking about a very specific 2D body that was used for us. Otherwise, I can only conclude that a mouse, or a hummingbird, must be extremely self aware because of it's strength. A horse must be extremely ignorant because those beautiful beasts epitomize strength. We both know this isn't this case.

Why do you think it would have to be a specific body?

We know how 2D bodies kind of work from our scientific research on evolution and ecology. The self-aware part is only gifted by 3D entities to those 2D lifeforms that are given "personalities", if you will. These pets and such then are able to appreciate 3D, also participating in things like abstract thought. An example would be a socialized family dog's reaction to a stranger compared to a feral dog's. The socialized dog would most likely welcome the human presence, offering itself in hopes of food or play. This is an abstract thought to a wild dog's mind, who would keep its distance, flank to the sides and behind, and generally not trust anything about the human. This is the difference between 2D and 2D/3D, imo.

We are now in a place where we have 3D and 3D/4D. One of the most descriptive thing that Ra mentions about these entities with 3D/4D bodies is that they are rich in compassion; in other words, they are partially 4D (density of love), just as our pets are partially 3D (self-aware animals). If I take the previous density as a footprint, I see our evolution into 4D happening much the same way, but rather than the sowing of confusion, it will be the proliferation of love and understanding. This will build on our current world rather than destroy it. The reason we must "die" is because we will no longer be held back.

[3DMonkey]

I see you and raise you one. (I'm not going anywhere with that. Sounded cool)

I see what you are saying completely. My main disagreement, I think, stems from where I'm focusing in on versus where your lense is pointed. I see your analogy clearly. Makes perfect sense. My lens is zoomed onto the guts of the transition. How the nuts and bolts reposition from point a to point b. It's easy to say something like "flip" and move on to the next concept. The "flip" is my focus. It's more than a flash of lightning, because a flash of lightning is bit of charge with a bit of fusion with a bit of intense heat with yadda yadda.

I am on board with your ideas and analogies. Some others are pointing out the view from totality. I am pointing out the pieces that make up the totality. In a zoomed out, broad timeframe view, we do just "flip." much like the 2D just flipped. Where are you right now? Your body is on a very zoomed in piece of thread of the fabric of the garment. Part of the "flip" involves a thread upon which death "as we see it" is necessary.

Sidenote: brave statement saying only certain animals have personality . ... I picked up a loose domesticated dog today. Pound was closed. He is staying the night. He and my dog who is five times his size have been doing the sex dominance dance for five hours straight. I couldn't help but contemplate them as 2D manifestations on a yellowray plane. All they want to do is hump each other! LOL. Two blobs of orange ray energy entites appearing as different sizes of similar DNA structured furry dogs expressing their existence by trying to hump each other. LMAO.

[hogey11]

I see you and raise you one. (I'm not going anywhere with that. Sounded cool)

I see what you are saying completely. My main disagreement, I think, stems from where I'm focusing in on versus where your lense is pointed. I see your analogy clearly. Makes perfect sense. My lens is zoomed onto the guts of the transition. How the nuts and bolts reposition from point a to point b. It's easy to say something like "flip" and move on to the next concept. The "flip" is my focus. It's more than a flash of lightning, because a flash of lightning is bit of charge with a bit of fusion with a bit of intense heat with yadda yadda.

I am on board with your ideas and analogies. Some others are pointing out the view from totality. I am pointing out the pieces that make up the totality. In a zoomed out, broad timeframe view, we do just "flip." much like the 2D just flipped. Where are you right now? Your body is on a very zoomed in piece of thread of the fabric of the garment. Part of the "flip" involves a thread upon which death "as we see it" is necessary.

Sidenote: brave statement saying only certain animals have personality . ... I picked up a loose domesticated dog today. Pound was closed. He is staying the night. He and my dog who is five times his size have been doing the sex dominance dance for five hours straight. I couldn't help but contemplate them as 2D manifestations on a yellowray plane. All they want to do is hump each other! LOL. Two blobs of orange ray energy entites appearing as different sizes of similar DNA structured furry dogs expressing their existence by trying to hump each other. LMAO.

haha I got a good laugh from the dog story!

I found this today which kinda fits into this all, thought it was an interesting find:

66.30 Questioner: The planet has a certain set of conditions in late third-density, and then the conditions are different in early fourth-density. Could you give me an example of a negatively polarized planet and the conditions in late third-density and early fourth-density so that I can see how they change?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibrations from third to fourth-density change on a negatively oriented planet precisely as they do upon a positively oriented planet. With fourth-density negative comes many abilities and possibilities of which you are familiar. The fourth-density is more dense and it is far more difficult to hide the true vibrations of the mind/body/spirit complex. This enables fourth-density negatives, as well as positives, the chance to form social memory complexes. It enables negatively oriented entities the opportunity for a different set of parameters with which to show their power over others and to be of service to the self. The conditions are the same as far as the vibrations are concerned.

66.31 Questioner: I was concerned about the amount of physical distortions, disease, and that sort of thing in third-density negative just before harvesting and in fourth-density negative just after harvesting or in transition. What are the conditions of the physical problems, disease, etc. in late third-density negative?
Ra: I am Ra. Each planetary experience is unique. The problems, shall we say, of bellicose actions are more likely to be of pressing concern to late third-density negative entities than the earth’s reactions to negativity of the planetary mind, for it is often by such warlike attitudes on a global scale that the necessary negative polarization is achieved.

As fourth-density occurs there is a new planet and new physical vehicle system gradually expressing itself and the parameters of bellicose actions become those of thought rather than manifested weapons.

I always find Ra likes to hide information deeper in the readings. Anytime he speaks of 4D negative, it is pretty much applicable for 4D positive as well, as they progress identically. Gives me more to look into!

What is meant by the 4D planet and physical vehicle system "gradually expressing itself"? I think this is crucial to both our lenses. The word that is popping out at me is "gradually". I do not know if this means gradual from nothing (start of 4D) or gradual from now (end of 3D).

I totally am on the same page in the "big picture" sense. In that way, it is absolutely a flip or flash or thread. We are in agreement in general.

[3DMonkey]

The word that pops out to me is "system." This covers a lot of area in a single word. It seems to me to speak of the beginnings of a fourth-density plane.

I think gradual means the start of 4D because the statement begins "as fourth-density occurs". Also, there "IS a new planet", and as far as I can tell the new planet is forming right now.

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It is very interesting to note that a planets transition is the same, either positive or negative. Very, very interesting. ... Makes me wanna search for the reason this planet is slotted for positive.

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10.1 Questioner: I think that it would clarify things for us if we went back to the time just before the transfer of souls from Maldek to see how the Law of One operated with respect to this transfer and why this transfer was necessary. What happened to the people of Maldek that caused them to lose their planet? How long ago did this event occur?
Ra: I am Ra. The peoples of Maldek had a civilization somewhat similar to that of the societal complex known to you as Atlantis in that it gained much technological information and used it without care for the preservation of their sphere following to a majority extent the complex of thought, ideas, and actions which you may associate with your so-called negative polarity or the service to self. This was, however, for the most part, couched in a sincere belief/thought structure which seemed to the perception of the mind/body complexes of this sphere to be positive and of service to others. The devastation that wracked their biosphere and caused its disintegration resulted from what you call war.

The escalation went to the furthest extent of the technology this social complex had at its disposal in the space/time present of the then time. This time was approximately 705,000 of your years ago. The cycles had begun much, much earlier upon this sphere due to its relative ability to support the first-dimensional life forms at an earlier point in the space/time continuum of your solar system. These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot or tangle of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Approximately 600,000 of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious. This awareness brought them to the point upon what you would call the lower astral planes where they could be nurtured until each mind/body/spirit complex was able to finally be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life/illusion complex.

After this experience of learn/teaching, the group decision was to place upon itself a type of what you may call karma alleviation. For this purpose they came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms. This then they have been experiencing until the distortions of destruction are replaced by distortions towards the desire for a less distorted vision of service to others. Since this was the conscious decision of the great majority of those beings in the Maldek experience, the transition to this planet began approximately 500,000 of your years ago and the type of body complex available at that time was used.

"Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them"
"then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy"
-- shows that even though we are all one in infinity, there are many many pieces

"entities were then able to recall that they were conscious"
-- wow, that was an extreme tangled knot of fear

"be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life/illusion complex."
-- hmmm, either they did this between lives in time/space (my guess), or they did this through past life regression therapy?

"came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms"
-- INTERESTING :exclamation: They came here in apes to fulfill karma. ... One of my clearest past life regressions- I was a baby gorilla being held by Momma gorilla. We were hiding as the poachers marched toward us.

[3DMonkey]

I suppose there wouldn't be poachers 500,000 years ago. I guess I could've taken 497,000 years to break free of the karma of blowing up Maldek I might have been a bad bad boy.

[hogey11]

1) "Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them"
"then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy"
-- shows that even though we are all one in infinity, there are many many pieces

2) "entities were then able to recall that they were conscious"
-- wow, that was an extreme tangled knot of fear

3) "be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life/illusion complex."
-- hmmm, either they did this between lives in time/space (my guess), or they did this through past life regression therapy?

4) "came into incarnation within your planetary sphere in what were not acceptable human forms"
-- INTERESTING :exclamation: They came here in apes to fulfill karma. ... One of my clearest past life regressions- I was a baby gorilla being held by Momma gorilla. We were hiding as the poachers marched toward us.

Some things that come to mind on your quoted material (i'll label 1-4):

1) I wonder if this could be in reference to a quarantine similar to what we experience here on earth at this time? I think Ra says when things progress to a certain extent, there are times that quarantine will be lifted and the Confederation will intervene...

2) I wonder if this is similar to severe emotional trauma causing people to "turn off" mentally or physiologically, sometimes permanently. Almost like if the realization is too much to handle, there must be a time for them to process that completely away from the illusion before they can come back unbiased in their next incarnation.

3) I agree, I think this happened inbetween incarnations, similar to how we must do after death before the next incarnation.

4) From what I remember, many of the few remaining Maldek entities are now Bigfoots and Yetis and all that jazz. Do you think the bigfoots/yetis are our ancestors? Or do you think the legit 2D apes were chilling out, waiting to evolve (75,000 years ago) and then when they did, the Bigfoots started to disappear as they began incarnating into the new "human" form available?

[Giri]

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I think the yellow ray plane Earth has everything to do with our bodies. ......
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Can you trust everyone other than yourself (ie 51% STO) rather than "look out for number 1"?

Not so Junior member imo:)

[Edinburgh]

I see all the same things, and I draw the conclusion that Ra was speaking precisely about physical death. Ra must be loving this . It's funny- you quote Ra to support your view I read it equally supporting my view.

I would tend to agree with 3dMonkey here. Ra does state the physical 3d death part several times, in different questions. Don obviously wants to get to the bottom of the change as it affects us physically, and he trys to get a firm answer. Every time, Ra is quite clear on it. Our physical bodies die as we understand death.

The next stage is for our violet ray to be assessed, and we either go to a positive or negative 4D world, or go back to a 3D world as appropriate.

The first time I read in the Ra material that we were to die before experiencing 4D, I was sad. I watched Wilcocks 3 hour speeches on youtube thinking I had had gotten it wrong. Wilcock professes to hold the Ra material central to his thinking, and states we won't "die" but will "develop powers". His comments seem like wishful thinking now, especially after I went back and re-read LOO two more times. No matter how much I wanted to believe in Wilcock, I couldn't not believe what I was reading with my own eyes, in the Ra material; Our physical bodies and current identities will pass through a 3D death. (However, I do remember reading that in 4D we have access to our previous 3D memories.)

(UPDATE: I've since looked at a new Qu'o reading, posting on the 3D/4D as perception thread, and I think there might be more happening than just dying ... )

Now I am much calmer about the whole thing. This transition will be happening soon. Qu'o says Winter solstice 2011. Ra says 2011-2012.

After reading LOO and really believing in it, I spend my time meditating and living a life with love, at all times and all moments. Trying to understand the lessons I came here to learn. To really understand the heart of self, and to share that understanding with other selves.

Maybe we will all meet each other again soon... We'll make jokes about how we all met on the Bring4th forum ...

[Eddie]

Okay. A dog is a 2D entity. Its body is alive. Who's awareness keeps it alive? Ours. By ours, I mean this entire plane is created by us, the self aware. Earth is the 3D plane. This is why Ra clarified that it's not just the bodies, but EVERYTHING. The 2D entity appears as a physical dog to Earth Plane dwellers. So, the dog is a 3D plane manifestation of a 2D entity that has been allowed to exist in the yellow ray sphere. The 2D dog is allowed to exist in the green ray sphere, but we have no clue what that will look like.

Green ray doesn't allow 3D entities in. It can't. It doesn't work. We must be 4D before we can step foot in the green sphere. To become 4D, we must pass the light test administered in time/space. To get to time/space, we have to leave this physical plane.

Well put; succinct explanation.

[unity100]

Now I am much calmer about the whole thing. This transition will be happening soon. Qu'o says Winter solstice 2011. Ra says 2011-2012.

real mayan calendar's all cycles end 18.10.2011.

the tzolkin calendar that revolves around the sun. not the 'long count' 360 day calendar.

all the cycles of mayan calendar converge on 18.10.2011

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Maybe we will all meet each other again soon... We'll make jokes about how we all met on the Bring4th forum ...

there is no need to 'meet'. in non-veiled situations, situation/emotion/memory/entity you call to yourself happens/contacts/re-manifests.

in 3d vibration the effect would be much less, and the 'thoughts are things' part may not come into play. however, contact with other entities in emotion/spirit would still be possible depending on the veil situation.

in 4d however, the veil is not there, and the contact would be rather noticeable and sharp.

so, there is no need to go anywhere to meet anyone - instead entity can contact in spirit. this is what Ra is saying they are doing, when they are asked whether they travel here or there these days (circa 1980).

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Well put; succinct explanation.

it isnt a correct explanation. a 2d entity is not something planet creates. it is an entity that is part of a group soul, and the entity is in 2d.

ra had said that spirit complex always exists from beginning of time. this includes 1d entities. 'enspiriting' at the end of 2d is only in appearance than in reality.

[Ocean]

what if everybody wants to meet David Wilcock? will he be swamped?

[zenmaster]

One of the most descriptive thing that Ra mentions about these entities with 3D/4D bodies is that they are rich in compassion; in other words, they are partially 4D (density of love), just as our pets are partially 3D (self-aware animals).

Not sure I understand the analogy. The 'dual-activated' entities have already been harvested, while pets have not. Also 'dual-activated' entities are not partially 4D, they are fully 4D. They have the potential to 'appreciate' full 4D 'light', while pets (or any 2D lifeform) do not have the potential to appreciate 3D 'light'.

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what if everybody wants to meet David Wilcock? will he be swamped?

Just go to one of his seminars. They aren't that packed.

[3DMonkey]

Well put; succinct explanation.

it isnt a correct explanation. a 2d entity is not something planet creates. it is an entity that is part of a group soul, and the entity is in 2d.

ra had said that spirit complex always exists from beginning of time. this includes 1d entities. 'enspiriting' at the end of 2d is only in appearance than in reality.

Unity100, we both know that neither of us has the knowledge nor the understanding of these matters to declare any of this correct or incorrect.

My post does not describe the planet creating an entity. It is a description of our general 3D perspective on this 3D plane.

You can disagree with anything you choose. Correctness on these matters isn't afforded any 3D entity.

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I said smilingly

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One of the most descriptive thing that Ra mentions about these entities with 3D/4D bodies is that they are rich in compassion; in other words, they are partially 4D (density of love), just as our pets are partially 3D (self-aware animals).

Not sure I understand the analogy. The 'dual-activated' entities have already been harvested, while pets have not. Also 'dual-activated' entities are not partially 4D, they are fully 4D. They have the potential to 'appreciate' full 4D 'light', while pets (or any 2D lifeform) do not have the potential to appreciate 3D 'light'.

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How do you know this with certainty?

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what if everybody wants to meet David Wilcock? will he be swamped?

Just go to one of his seminars. They aren't that packed.

Hahahaha. True that.

[zenmaster]

Well put; succinct explanation.

it isnt a correct explanation. a 2d entity is not something planet creates. it is an entity that is part of a group soul, and the entity is in 2d.

ra had said that spirit complex always exists from beginning of time. this includes 1d entities. 'enspiriting' at the end of 2d is only in appearance than in reality.

Unity100, we both know that neither of us has the knowledge nor the understanding of these matters to declare any of this correct or incorrect.

My post does not describe the planet creating an entity. It is a description of our general 3D perspective on this 3D plane.

You can disagree with anything you choose. Correctness on these matters isn't afforded any 3D entity.

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I said smilingly

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One of the most descriptive thing that Ra mentions about these entities with 3D/4D bodies is that they are rich in compassion; in other words, they are partially 4D (density of love), just as our pets are partially 3D (self-aware animals).

Not sure I understand the analogy. The 'dual-activated' entities have already been harvested, while pets have not. Also 'dual-activated' entities are not partially 4D, they are fully 4D. They have the potential to 'appreciate' full 4D 'light', while pets (or any 2D lifeform) do not have the potential to appreciate 3D 'light'.

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How do you know this with certainty?

Which part? Is certainty some kind of requirement?

[3DMonkey]

I was fishing for some reference. I think it is possible for an animal/pet to be 2d/3d activated while being 3d harvested. I think it is possible for any 2D entity to have potential to appreciate 3D. In some form or fashion they are striving/reaching for self-awareness.

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Oh, by the way, your writing style is "certainty oriented."

[zenmaster]

I think it is possible for an animal/pet to be 2d/3d activated while being 3d harvested.

Why?

[3DMonkey]

Why? The same reasoning that proposes the possibilities that densities even exist. The same reasoning that proposes that channeling interstellar entities is possibly.

[zenmaster]

Why? The same reasoning that proposes the possibilities that densities even exist. The same reasoning that proposes that channeling interstellar entities is possibly.

Ok, I thought we were past that and for the sake of convenience, considering things in the knowledge framework provided by the material.