Did FBI just admit to roswell ?

[Monica]

Remember some don't have any sort of yard to grow in, some without even a balcony to grow potted plants on.

That's true. Those living in apartments obviously can't grow their own food, other than sprouts.

Some families, even some communities as a whole, lack the resources to grow their own food.

I agree about families but I can't think of an instance in which an entire community would be unable to grow food, except in third world countries suffering from extreme drought with no running water, or in extremely cold regions. Where there is soil, water and sunlight, it can be done.

I was thinking mostly of American homes with green lawns...wasted space essentially.

I absolutely see where you are coming from though, because I can only imagine that the tiniest fraction of families that DO have the resources take advantage of the fact. If we can spread the mindset of working with what we have, we can make a real energetic push in the right direction. I grow more hopeful of this every day.

Agreed!

[3DMonkey]

Well shucks. I haven't been able to read posts because... My electricity is out. I'm in the car now with my phone charger (the one my wife and I share).

I love the idea of helping people establish backyard gardens. I too have dreamed of this idea!

Also, I too would rather spend every waking hour in my yard. I can't stand lawn upkeep, but I'm still deep in it. (before today, literally).

I don't want to derail the thread any further either. Threads are just conversation starters, IMO. All topics are connected ;-). My only purpose was too stop the doom and gloom aura.

I am an interior landscaper by trade. I work with plants, basically. Gardening is a top five, if not top three, interest for me. I love it. But, man, I tried vegetable gardens. At most, it produced a side dish once a week. Unless you consider cucumbers growing out of my ears! I could only eat so many cucumber sandwiches! Blah!
If I were really going to go all out, I need to learn to grow rice or wheat, some kind of flour stuff! Mmmm, I love bread.

Last thing- meat is a necessity if I'm going full home grown. I'm grateful that my wife's father's family has evenly distributed a yearly stock of venison. In my opinion. In a world without grocery stores, meat is vital. In my opinion.

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Insects and a B and a half too!!! By the way. I might be better off growing plants that attract juicy bugs and eat the bugs instead. They grow like crazy, and they're darn difficult to kill. Oo, and fish, let's not forget fish. Yummy.

[Monica]

But, man, I tried vegetable gardens. At most, it produced a side dish once a week. Unless you consider cucumbers growing out of my ears! I could only eat so many cucumber sandwiches!

Side dish once a week? I don't quite understand that. In addition to cucumbers, tomato, squash, melon, berries, greens, fruit trees etc. are all extremely prolific.

meat is a necessity if I'm going full home grown. I'm grateful that my wife's father's family has evenly distributed a yearly stock of venison. In my opinion. In a world without grocery stores, meat is vital. In my opinion.

Here is a thread on that topic:

Life on Planet Earth > In regards to eating meat

[Ocean]

did you guys see this?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod...5b8e8.html

[Monica]

did you guys see this?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod...5b8e8.html

Wow! On yahoo! I'd say that's Disclosure with a capital D!

[Ocean]

i know! i got so excited i started vibrating! lol i was sure they wouldn't mention it!

[Monica]

i know! i got so excited i started vibrating! lol i was sure they wouldn't mention it!

Now if it would just show up on the American yahoo...

[Ocean]

oh pshh!

[3DMonkey]

did you guys see this?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod...5b8e8.html

Wow! On yahoo! I'd say that's Disclosure with a capital D!

I thought the tv show "The Event" was disclosure with a capital D ( deep breath )

[Ocean]

lol yeah but this is news! it's "real"

[3DMonkey]

Ocean, have you seen Flight of the Concords?

I hope so. I singing this song to you, "Bret you got it going on... You got it going on Bret"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbhRdlFi...ata_player
(it's much funnier with video)

[zenmaster]

News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/132868/2...o-hoax.htm

[Confused]

Now if it would just show up on the American yahoo...

May be some power centers in the U.S. still do not want this information to be released to many at the popular level within the nation.

This news would run counter to fundamentalist religious orthodoxy, and the US is arguably the most dogmatically religious among the current Western nation states. Europe has entered a post-transcendent or post-modernity stage with respect to religion, but the U.S. is still not at the same level of openness, I think. No wonder that renaissance sprang from the soil of Europe, centuries back, and many wanderers took root in that region as well.

Like Ra remarked something to the effect that Eisenhower did not feel that his people could handle existence of other life in the universe and other philosophies.

[Ocean]

Ocean, have you seen Flight of the Concords?

I hope so. I singing this song to you, "Bret you got it going on... You got it going on Bret"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbhRdlFi...ata_player
(it's much funnier with video)

no i have not, Monkey. is that the movie with Donald Sutherland?

lol the video is funny. it's gay. yay!

[unity100]

News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/132868/2...o-hoax.htm

that is more disinformation and information suppression than anything else.

fbi's 'vault' to 'access files easier' -> this is some story that would only fool someone who isnt working in i.t. no government agency that deals in serious stuff had happened to be stupid enough to ignore i.t. security basics.

[zenmaster]

News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/132868/2...o-hoax.htm

that is more disinformation and information suppression than anything else.

fbi's 'vault' to 'access files easier' -> this is some story that would only fool someone who isnt working in i.t. no government agency that deals in serious stuff had happened to be stupid enough to ignore i.t. security basics.

c'mon, you know you want to press the 'like' button on my post.

[unity100]

c'mon, you know you want to press the 'like' button on my post.

relevance ?

[Monica]

Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

[Ocean]

well i've heard that exact description, human, short, who said that?

[zenmaster]

Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

[Confused]

...be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

There seems to be a time for everything under the Sun, based on energies set in motion eons ago. I have a slight problem, as an individual, with decidedly accepting that just because it was covered up by some folks, those folks necessarily had an evil intent or malevolent motive. I am not saying you are implying that, but it is only my opinion being aired.

25.4 Questioner: We shall now continue with the material from yesterday. You stated that about 3,000 years ago the Orion group left due to Diaspora. Was the Confederation then able to make any progress after the Orion group left?

Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.

Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately 2,600 of your years in the past in what you would call Greece (at this time) and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.

At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.

[Monica]

There seems to be a time for everything under the Sun, based on energies set in motion eons ago. I have a slight problem, as an individual, with decidedly accepting that just because it was covered up by some folks, those folks necessarily had an evil intent or malevolent motive. I am not saying you are implying that, but it is only my opinion being aired.

I agree! In fact, I think the motive for covering up alien contact was probably benevolent, for the most part.

Think about it. Think of the dogmatic religious people you know. How would they react to news of alien contact?

I know some people who would totally flip out, in terror, thinking that it's all a 'satanic' trick. These fear-driven fanatical people might do something really stupid or even violent.

Now imagine those same people back in 1950! Before the era of sci-fi. Before acceptance of other races, even! If they couldn't even accept other humans with darker skin, how could they have accepted aliens from other planets?

The powers that be probably did what they thought was the wisest thing, in covering it up, at them time anyway.

[Confused]

If they couldn't even accept other humans with darker skin,

I would probably have had a very hard time, if I were present in my current physical form (brown-skinned) in the US during the 1950s.

However, there is now growing realization that there is nothing to nationality or race or any of that superficial difference, apart from their potent ability to divide, separate, degrade, and deceive. It is the spirit within that unites individuals. And when there is commonality of purpose and beliefs, the bond is reinforced multiple times. As Ra said as part of 91.13 -

We suggest that in looking at planetary origins one observes not the pigmentation of the integument but the biases concerning interactions with other-selves and definitions regarding the nature of the self.

[Monica]

I would probably have had a very hard time, if I were present in my current physical form (brown-skinned) in the US during the 1950s.

Yes, we've come a long way, with a ways to go still.

And prejudice isn't limited to skin color. My father (full German) was disowned because he married an Irish-Cherokee girl. Even today, many people are prejudiced towards others of differing social class, religion, political or religious differences, etc.

How much moreso in 1950?

However, there is now growing realization that there is nothing to nationality or race or any of that superficial difference, apart from their potent ability to divide, separate, degrade, and deceive. It is the spirit within that unites individuals. And when there is commonality of purpose and beliefs, the bond is reinforced multiple times.

Absolutely! It blows my mind to see people still prejudiced today, but many are. Even today, blatant Disclosure might rock their world so much that they could react very negatively. As much as I'd love to see our galactic friends materialize in our midst, I do understand the caution; hence disclosure with a little 'd'; in baby steps.

[3DMonkey]

There seems to be a time for everything under the Sun, based on energies set in motion eons ago. I have a slight problem, as an individual, with decidedly accepting that just because it was covered up by some folks, those folks necessarily had an evil intent or malevolent motive. I am not saying you are implying that, but it is only my opinion being aired.

I agree! In fact, I think the motive for covering up alien contact was probably benevolent, for the most part.

Think about it. Think of the dogmatic religious people you know. How would they react to news of alien contact?

I know some people who would totally flip out, in terror, thinking that it's all a 'satanic' trick. These fear-driven fanatical people might do something really stupid or even violent.

Now imagine those same people back in 1950! Before the era of sci-fi. Before acceptance of other races, even! If they couldn't even accept other humans with darker skin, how could they have accepted aliens from other planets?

The powers that be probably did what they thought was the wisest thing, in covering it up, at them time anyway.

This is the most sensible perspective I've read in this thread.

Apply this same rational perspective to what we call "disclosure" and I would be a happy camper.

[Ocean]

they had scifi in the five ohs. just look at Back To The Future.

[Monica]

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[unity100]

Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

the simplest explanation is that, just like how it happened immediately after roswell, there are still sources suppressing and repressing the information. this may be a court judge that had his ear bent on behalf of 'national security' interests, it may be some talking head not telling things he was told not to.

[zenmaster]

Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

the simplest explanation is that, just like how it happened immediately after roswell, there are still sources suppressing and repressing the information. this may be a court judge that had his ear bent on behalf of 'national security' interests, it may be some talking head not telling things he was told not to.

What does that have to do with this document though?

[Monica]

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

What do you mean "made up one"? Which one is made up?

It seems to me that the simplest explanation is that it really happened, they covered it up, they released it, but they know that by now, most people don't even care and won't even notice.

disclosure with a little d. Eating away at the populace, a little at a time. Very low-key, so that those who wish to not accept it, can have the free will to not accept it.

At least at this point. That might all change in the next year, as the veil thins.