Making a request to the Council of Saturn

[Wander-Man]

Here's a question I'd like to hear your take on:
Do you think it's possible for someone here on Earth to make a request to the Council of Saturn?
Do you think they would consider it?
How would you make the request (telepathic, a ritual)?
What request would you make?
Why do you think they would grant it?
How do you think they would respond? (a sign or something?)

I guess I have a pretty big ego for even thinking about this, haha

[Meerie]

Wow what an interesting question!
I guess telepathy would do. Because they are surely aware of who is aware of them on Earth.
Personally, I think I would pray for a connection with them, like before going to bed, and maybe repeat that for a couple of days and then see what happens. You could also ask for communication in your dreams.
Keep us updated how it goes

[3DMonkey]

Good luck with those fuddy duddies.

Oh, I think they would make proper documentation of your request. They'd send you a return letter with the minimal of an answer, probably just an acknowledgement of receipt.

[Confused]

I guess I have a pretty big ego for even thinking about this, haha

I personally don't think you have a big ego with this one.

I feel that you are acknowledging your role as co-creator and the immense possibilities of infinite creation. Good luck.

[Ens Entium]

This is a really interesting question.

I think you'd need to attempt this as a collective, like large numbers of people, the main issue being that they probably feel that things are taken care of through 6d and then 5d and then 4d.. so concerns would be important enough to make it up all the way through the ranks. Kind of like trying to contact the president directly, lol.

But good luck!

[Confused]

I think you'd need to attempt this as a collective, like large numbers of people...

I very much resonate with that observation.

[Brittany]

I wouldn't doubt that they could hear you, so just asking mentally would be your best bet, I think.

Getting them to actually do something... suppose you'd have to prove the benefit it would offer the universe. I don't think asking for a new car is going to really get their attention.

When I pray, I pretty much send my prayers out to anyone who is listening, as I have a hard time holding a singular concept of God. I've had a lot of prayers answered...I know someone is listening, at least.

[unity100]

ask whatever you want/need, from infinite intelligence.

[Confused]

ask whatever you want/need, from infinite intelligence.

Why do you say that, unity100? I know you will never say something that does not have a deeper meaning and with some basis from the LOO.

I am interested in your views on this. Is Infinite Intelligence what we normally refer to as 'God'?

[kycahi]

Good luck with those fuddy duddies.

Oh, I think they would make proper documentation of your request. They'd send you a return letter with the minimal of an answer, probably just an acknowledgement of receipt.

LOL:exclamation: Yeah, a form letter saying they will consider your request.

But seriously , I like going through your higher self. If the HS has an answer, you will get it quicker than going all the way to Saturn and back. Count on the HS to have connections to higher levels and get you an answer, however high s/he has to go.

Here's another reason to use HS: if you send out your plea to the Universe, you might get the attention of the wrong sorts. You don't want to get bamboozled.

[Aaron]

Wow, that's a new concept for me. I've never heard of anyone wanting to contact/request something from the council while within incarnation!

I think that what Meerie says about dreamtime and what Ens Entium says about groups of like-minded people.

We know that social memory complexes of 4D and up have communication with the council and other social memory complexes, etc. So, I would think that for a 3D entity to be spiritually lucid enough to contact, let alone communicate with, the supposedly 7D entities is extremely rare. Maybe if you have risen above all catalyst and are practically ready to ascend to 4D, then you would have a clear enough picture of what's going on between you and you, to be able to make a comment towards the ones who program this planet's experience.

To me, this communication sounds like it would be something that takes place as a group effort of like-minded individuals, or in dreamtime, or inbetween incarnations.

[turtledude23]

I think to break through the bureaucracy we have to start a union: Earthican Wanderers and Lightworkers. These fat cats at the top have been sitting around sending love and light while we bust our butts trying to remove the veil.

I have started a formal petition, the more of us join in the more influence it will have.

Earth Requests

To whom it may concern,

The members of Earthican Wanderers and Lightworkers are seriously concerned about [insert issue here] and request your assistance in this matter. If our requests are not met we will go on strike and no longer bring love and light to this planet through mass suicide.

- Earthican Wanderers and Lightworkers

This petition may be sent by email to council.of.saturn@gmail.com or by mail to: Council of Saturn, 1 Saturn Ring Circle, Saturn, X6B 7F9 I2O, Milky Way.

[3DMonkey]

He'll yeah turtledude23! That'll get their attention.

Here's a request- show me a UFO up close and personal.

[unity100]

ask whatever you want/need, from infinite intelligence.

Why do you say that, unity100? I know you will never say something that does not have a deeper meaning and with some basis from the LOO.

I am interested in your views on this. Is Infinite Intelligence what we normally refer to as 'God'?

'god' seems to be some general broad term that people use for a lot of things. but despite it was used in Ra material to refer to infinite intelligence, it seems more suitable for the first logos and its branching out.

infinite intelligence experiences itself more than it creates, says Ra. so it doesnt seem to be fitting that description much.

yet, infinite intelligence is the infinity that is present everywhere, like a sea, and it is basically inalienable from being present everywhere, at any location.

any and act, thought, and even the presence of an entity in any location, will cause waves/distortions in that sea. all those distortions/waves, are causes which lead to effects.

[Brittany]

Too bad they don't have email. :p

When I think of the Council, I see this place in my head. It's a huge building with a lot of purple and silver. Of course, I doubt they have actual buildings like that...haven't seen any skyscrapers floating around in the rings as of late...I wonder if you were able to go there if it would look different for each person? I'm not sure if what I'm saying even makes sense...XP

[zenmaster]

He'll yeah turtledude23! That'll get their attention.

Here's a request- show me a UFO up close and personal.

Might be granted, but they may only have a budget to manifest a 3D thought-form version - a 3000 year-old Venusian model.

[turtledude23]

He'll yeah turtledude23! That'll get their attention.

Here's a request- show me a UFO up close and personal.

Might be granted, but they may only have a budget to manifest a 3D thought-form version - a 3000 year-old Venusian model.

WOOT! Zen made a joke!!!

[3DMonkey]

Zen is in a good place right now, methinks :-)

[Confused]

any and act, thought, and even the presence of an entity in any location, will cause waves/distortions in that sea. all those distortions/waves, are causes which lead to effects.

I see. Then I guess that is where the mechanism for balancing is called into necessity.

But if even a little disturbance in the form of apparently separated consciousness can cause such disturbances in the blissful fullness of the analogous oceanic One Infinite Creator, then why did the creator's infinity become aware?

I find it difficult to get my head around that point and I don't know whether I am articulating a sensible question.

[unity100]

any and act, thought, and even the presence of an entity in any location, will cause waves/distortions in that sea. all those distortions/waves, are causes which lead to effects.

I see. Then I guess that is where the mechanism for balancing is called into necessity.

But if even a little disturbance in the form of apparently separated consciousness can cause such disturbances in the blissful fullness of the analogous oceanic One Infinite Creator, then why did the creator's infinity become aware?

I find it difficult to get my head around that point and I don't know whether I am articulating a sensible question.

firstly, infinity is not creator's. creator is infinite intelligence's, and infinite intelligence, is infinity's.

the sea we speak of, is already the infinite intelligence we speak of. because, it has waves - therefore it has distortions, differentiations, and potential due to the waves. from here comes its awareness and intelligence. (awareness was defined to be relevant to potential in material anyway) .

whatever is differentiating infinite intelligence sea from infinity, if it merges with all those differentiations, it will merge into complete stillness, and therefore infinity.

[turtledude23]

any and act, thought, and even the presence of an entity in any location, will cause waves/distortions in that sea. all those distortions/waves, are causes which lead to effects.

I see. Then I guess that is where the mechanism for balancing is called into necessity.

But if even a little disturbance in the form of apparently separated consciousness can cause such disturbances in the blissful fullness of the analogous oceanic One Infinite Creator, then why did the creator's infinity become aware?

I find it difficult to get my head around that point and I don't know whether I am articulating a sensible question.

firstly, infinity is not creator's. creator is infinite intelligence's, and infinite intelligence, is infinity's.

the sea we speak of, is already the infinite intelligence we speak of. because, it has waves - therefore it has distortions, differentiations, and potential due to the waves. from here comes its awareness and intelligence. (awareness was defined to be relevant to potential in material anyway) .

whatever is differentiating infinite intelligence sea from infinity, if it merges with all those differentiations, it will merge into complete stillness, and therefore infinity.

Or in other words: you need to experience unpleasant things in order to appreciate pleasant things. And without that apparent duality/separation the only experience would be all consuming, still, unity - which might be boring and might be why we created this experience.

[AnthroHeart]

I'd like it to be easier to form social memory complexes while in 3D.

[turtledude23]

I'd like it to be easier to form social memory complexes while in 3D.

You'll need to fill out form 44C and get it stamped by a clerk on the 2nd floor.

[3DMonkey]

Sign on second floor " open every 25,000th year only"

[Wander-Man]

you guys crack me up, haha

[kycahi]

This just in (from Ra, but I don't know where in the LOO yet; I got it while searching for something):

We of the Confederation are at the call of those upon your planet. If the call, though sincere, is fairly low in consciousness of the, shall we say, system whereby spiritual evolution may be precipitated, then we may only offer that information useful to that particular caller. This is the basic difficulty. Entities receive the basic information about the Original Thought and the means, that is meditation and service-to-others, whereby this Original Thought may be obtained.

Please note that as Confederation members we are speaking for positively oriented entities. We believe the Orion group has precisely the same difficulty.

Once this basic information is received[, if] it is not put into practice in the heart and in the life experience[, it] instead rattles about within the mind complex distortions as would a building block which has lost its place and simply rolls from side to side uselessly[;] yet still the entity calls. Therefore, the same basic information is repeated. Ultimately the entity decides that it is weary of this repetitive information. However, if an entity puts into practice that which it is given, it will not find repetition except when needed.

Note my edits [] for, I hope, clarity.

From this, I conclude that the Confederation will indeed, answer a call but, if the caller is not equipped to handle the information, they will dumb down their response to, in effect, "Meditate, meditate, meditate and be of service to others, then try again after a while. Best wishes from your friends, the Saturn Confederation Council."

[im_not_me]

Too bad they don't have email. :p

When I think of the Council, I see this place in my head. It's a huge building with a lot of purple and silver. Of course, I doubt they have actual buildings like that...haven't seen any skyscrapers floating around in the rings as of late...I wonder if you were able to go there if it would look different for each person? I'm not sure if what I'm saying even makes sense...XP

Funny, but they and the social memory complexes can see everything here. It already has been communicated.

[zvonimir]

from book Practice of Magical Evocation page 258 - was reading this part yesterday interesting hm....


in short the author is giving a red flag warning about that particular sphere.....


10. The Saturn Sphere
The Jupiter sphere does not bring us to the end of the descriptions of the planetary system of our cosmos. The next sphere to mention is the Saturn sphere. Like the Mars sphere, this sphere is very hard to contact, and only a well trained sphere magician should dare to embark upon it after having gone through different initiating systems with a few original intelligences and after having gathered much experience, during the course of many years, in mental wanderings to the individual spheres and thus feeling almost at home in them.
Not every human being is strong enough to stand up against the oscillations of the Saturn sphere, since they have the depressing quality of a nightmare. The Saturn sphere is, in fact, the socalled Sphere of Karma. Its intelligences may be regarded from man's rational intellectual point of view, the Judges of all beings, planets and spheres. From the magical quabbalistic point of view, direct contact with any of these judges has no practical value. If, however, the magician considers himself mature enough and well acquainted with the spheres, he might as well try to get into contact also with the intelligences of the Saturn sphere. I desist, however, from giving any description of the individual intelligences of the Saturn sphere, even from mentioning their names and seals, for it could so happen that some presumptuous human being, without thinking of the consequences, would dare to call up a Saturn being by evocation. If the person is, in such a case, not strong enough ro resist the vibration of that Saturn intelligence, not only his physical, but also his astral death becomes unavoidable. Therefore a general description of this sphere will suffice for the mature and wise, and such will, in spite of such a short description, be able to get a clear picture of the effectiveness of the Saturn sphere. 

[earth_spirit]

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[zvonimir]

check the source in the book it explains it but start from beginning dont skipp pages