Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible

[Oceania]

when in Rome...right?

[3DMonkey]

Aha! My sentiments exactly. If I'm a wanderer, I'm surrounded by people that give virtually no heed to anything deeply spiritual. I'm the guy on the movie Matrix that wants to go back in with blissful ignorance. If I could re-enter the orange/yellow system with ignorance, I could infiltrate the collective. Ah well, no way to do that now, therefore when in Rome...

[Ankh]

If I'm a wanderer, I'm surrounded by people that give virtually no heed to anything deeply spiritual.

In my experience people don't need to be spiritual in order to be able to love and to serve. I've met people who simply can't believe in anything else besides what can be seen or proven by scientific methods; but whose ability to love and to serve is far greater than mine.

[Oceania]

i want to take the purple pill.

[Unbound]

Buncha whiners in here! We all chose to come here for a reason.

[kycahi]

If I'm a wanderer, I'm surrounded by people that give virtually no heed to anything deeply spiritual.

In my experience people don't need to be spiritual in order to be able to love and to serve. I've met people who simply can't believe in anything else besides what can be seen or proven by scientific methods; but whose ability to love and to serve is far greater than mine.

Indeed so, Ankh! My sister and her husband believe a lot of science, unless it clashes with something from their goofy Protestant Christian religion, but they both are very obviously in service to others. I only got this recently, but they made the Choice years ago. I don't have any reason to teach them the LOO or even to drop a hint about it. They are good to go (to 4D Harvest).

[Oceania]

i'm PMSsing.

[zenmaster]

Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.

Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)

I have experienced many things that could be considered 'paranormal', but all of those can be described. This experience was beyond words, but it's like you are suddenly a part of everything or connected to everything, and you 'know' you're directly participating as a creator in the present creation. You are connected to your 'true nature', which is eternal. You are not guessing this is what's happening, you are defining the meaning of it. It is an extremely peaceful feeling of sacredness, there are no limits. It is not a suggestion, or something interpreted through the senses - you know it is real. There is nothing ever to compare with the experience as far as a profound indication of 'true reality' and 'beingness'. So when it subsided, I was thinking to myself, 'that's cool that that type of experience is even possible'.

[3DMonkey]

i'm PMSsing.

duh

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If I'm a wanderer, I'm surrounded by people that give virtually no heed to anything deeply spiritual.

In my experience people don't need to be spiritual in order to be able to love and to serve. I've met people who simply can't believe in anything else besides what can be seen or proven by scientific methods; but whose ability to love and to serve is far greater than mine.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean anything like that. Actually, what I was trying to convey was that I'd rather be those people. I'm saying those people are in a good place because their mind isn't overwhelmed with spiritual "stuff".

(I'm not whining. I love who I am and what I know. I'm just pointing out that another life can seem as though it is the 'greener grass' on the other side of the fence.)

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Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.

Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)

I have experienced many things that could be considered 'paranormal', but all of those can be described. This experience was beyond words, but it's like you are suddenly a part of everything or connected to everything, and you 'know' you're directly participating as a creator in the present creation. You are connected to your 'true nature', which is eternal. You are not guessing this is what's happening, you are defining the meaning of it. It is an extremely peaceful feeling of sacredness, there are no limits. It is not a suggestion, or something interpreted through the senses - you know it is real. There is nothing ever to compare with the experience as far as a profound indication of 'true reality' and 'beingness'. So when it subsided, I was thinking to myself, 'that's cool that that type of experience is even possible'.

Take me to your leader. I 'want'

[zenmaster]

Take me to your leader. I 'want'

Everyone should have that experience. There would be less problems, for one, because you would always know you already had everything you ever needed. It would be impossible to deny it if you tried, in any circumstance. No matter what 'happens to you', there is no true sadness or despair in light of this ever-present sense of being, for example.

[3DMonkey]

How did it happen for you? chance? synchronicity? a teacher? a drug?

[zenmaster]

How did it happen for you? chance? synchronicity? a teacher? a drug?

No drugs, synchronicities or teachers. Somewhat random, although I had been 'searching' during that period. I was just reading something and was suddenly drawn in to this connection experience. So I started looking around the room and thinking about what was happening, how I was participating in this event. There was no change in what I saw, but the quality of everything around was as if it was unfolding in the moment and quite changeable - like all was suddenly a part of me or my mind - like a vast potential wanting to be tapped somehow. That is what I say 'as a creator'. Over the years since, I've met a few others that had somewhat similar experiences. It does change your position or outlook.

[3DMonkey]

I've had a similar experience(s). There were definitely moments.

Whoa is me , my negative vibrations try to wash away those memories or try to discount them as frivolity

[zenmaster]

It does seem to serve a purpose, as far as indicating the availability of infinite potential (inside and outside) at all times.

[unity100]

Apparently Jesus found his way out of the third-density illusion prior to the closing of the major cycle of third density.

i dont think this is applicable. jeshosuah was a wanderer, and if he didnt get tangled with planetary 3d, he could return to his normal density when he died.

The only way out of which I am aware is through harvest. I've never been sure that a wanderer can come in for a pre-determined set time at the expiration of which they return home without having to meet the requirements of harvest (except perhaps in the case of the walk-in).

no requirement was set at any point for wanderers' return to their home social memory complex or density in Ra material, except that the entity should not get itself entangled with planetary vibrations, and become a 3d entity in spirit.

moreover, 3d harvest is not 4d harvest, or 5d harvest and vice versa. the requirements and what is sought in these harvests differ greatly.

I think however that the data is available to substantiate or at least infer the positive corollary.

The group of 150 in South America had the opportunity of harvest at the point of the ending of a 25,000 year cycle, not as a result of the type of self-harvesting we are discussing.

But their situation seems emblematic of the basic attitude of the positively oriented entity when faced with harvest - it may desire to stay on in the illusion for further service and suffering.

it is rather definite that positive entities also have the possibility of getting harvested through contacting intelligent infinity before harvest time. since, no conditions were given for that, but only contact with intelligent infinity.

however, the question and angle i am approaching from is this - you need to be able to amass/use a certain amount of energy for contacting intelligent infinity according to material.

negative entities can do that by getting energies from other entities. however, positive entities need to be in an environment which is sufficiently positive.

and it seems, on this planet, such a situation which would provide energies enough to contact intelligent infinity before harvest had not happened.

I agree that at the base of all evolution of every entity is the driving force of the upward spiraling light. Across the board this indwells in all entities, so it is, as a manifestation of the Creator's desire to know itself, the "major propagator" of all seeking.

However you were pointing to a specific class of entity - the wanderer - and discussing the increased probability of their seeking the gateway.

Both the wanderer and the non-wanderer are propelled "forward", so to speak, by the upward spiraling light. So there must be other factors that make the wanderer more aware of this upward spiral, or grant greater access to the upward spiral, or create the motivation to work with/utilize the upward spiral - in short, other factors which cause an assumed statistical increase in the wanderer's seeking of intelligent infinity in contrast to the non-wanderer.

the wanderer, having more concentration, and more spiritual bias in regard to the upward flowing light for hundreds of millions of years, would get affected by the upward stream much more than a 3d entity. it would drive the entity like a truck. or, crash into the wall if blocked.

Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.

Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)

I have experienced many things that could be considered 'paranormal', but all of those can be described. This experience was beyond words, but it's like you are suddenly a part of everything or connected to everything, and you 'know' you're directly participating as a creator in the present creation. You are connected to your 'true nature', which is eternal. You are not guessing this is what's happening, you are defining the meaning of it. It is an extremely peaceful feeling of sacredness, there are no limits. It is not a suggestion, or something interpreted through the senses - you know it is real. There is nothing ever to compare with the experience as far as a profound indication of 'true reality' and 'beingness'. So when it subsided, I was thinking to myself, 'that's cool that that type of experience is even possible'.

thats a description of contacting infinite intelligence alright.

[Unbound]

Uh, Jesus must have been 3D at some point if he was 4D, wouldn't he? Sure when he was HERE he was a Wanderer...

[Oceania]

wonder what planet that happened.

[zenmaster]

Google says Jesus is said to be from Erra in the Pleiades. yay.

[Oceania]

so where's jesus now? 8D?

[zenmaster]

Apparently, one of the last things Jesus did as a 4D native was to incarnate here. Now he's just beginning 5D, according to Ra.

[Oceania]

i thought he was higher.

[zenmaster]

i thought he was higher.

That's pretty high compared to 3D. Highest part of 4D, or ~30 million years of polarizing positive - that's a lot of understanding. Came to provide instruction for 3D, which has been striving for 4D for 75,000 years. 3D does an analogous thing by providing guidance for domesticated animals.

[Oceania]

i guess in the timeframe.

[Steppingfeet]

My statement is definitely a reduction of the complexities of Ra's statement. Reductions are humorous, and they also simplify perspective (positively, IMO).

Oh, certainly! The most essential truths can be communicated in a few words. Nay, the deepest truth is communicated *without* words. Words by nature attempt to divide, categorize, compare, contrast, and make dual that which is infinite, unitary, and indivisible.

Reductions I believe do serve both of the purposes you listed. It was just that the particular reduction you made worked great for humor (which I appreciate) but as information-conveyor didn't speak well to the situation, as I see it at least. And I offered my perspective on why I saw it that way.

Just so you know, I wasn't knocking the distilling of elaborate word structures into simpler terms, just disagreeing with the logic of your statement.

Zenmaster wrote: I wonder if perception of intelligent infinity is in any way like a satori? After a satori there is no 'going back', and you have a 'ground of being' that seems to support everything.

Zenmaster, how would you define or describe satori? (I know that it is one of many terms used to point to various grades of self-realization, but it's basic meaning escapes me at the moment. I can look it up of course but its meaning to you is most pertinent here.)

I have experienced many things that could be considered 'paranormal', but all of those can be described. This experience was beyond words, but it's like you are suddenly a part of everything or connected to everything, and you 'know' you're directly participating as a creator in the present creation. You are connected to your 'true nature', which is eternal. You are not guessing this is what's happening, you are defining the meaning of it. It is an extremely peaceful feeling of sacredness, there are no limits. It is not a suggestion, or something interpreted through the senses - you know it is real. There is nothing ever to compare with the experience as far as a profound indication of 'true reality' and 'beingness'. So when it subsided, I was thinking to myself, 'that's cool that that type of experience is even possible'.

I have sensed (so to speak) this experience on the fringes of the moment, but as of yet remain rather stuck (imprisoned, more like it) in a thinking, time-bound mind.

So is this a traditional description of "satori"? If so, from my non-experiential standpoint, I would sure say it was an entry into the moment and a brush with intelligent infinity.

From my study I understand full immersion into intelligent infinity to be the end of subject and object. There would no longer be a separate "you" to experience something other than you. It would all simply be. Simply be "I AM".

But, I speak from theoretical understanding, not experience. The latter I seek.

With love and light,
GLB

[Steppingfeet]

Bring4th_GLB wrote:
The only way out of which I am aware is through harvest. I've never been sure that a wanderer can come in for a pre-determined set time at the expiration of which they return home without having to meet the requirements of harvest (except perhaps in the case of the walk-in).

no requirement was set at any point for wanderers' return to their home social memory complex or density in Ra material, except that the entity should not get itself entangled with planetary vibrations, and become a 3d entity in spirit.

Now this is an interesting thought. For many years I have operated under the premise that once you're a third-density entity - be it native, an import, or a wanderer - you must complete the requirements of harvest in order to graduate from third density. Either by achieving 51% STO at the closing of a 25,000 yr cycle, or by contacting intelligent infinity and thus self-harvesting.

Are you saying that there is no mention whatsoever of the wanderer needing to meet the requirements of harvest?

If so, does anyone reading this know of a section in the Law of One that would refute this statement? (Don't have the time to run a keyword search on "harvest".)

The "entangled" part you mentioned also, I thought, spoke to the possibility of karmic involvement *preventing* being harvested due to a reduction of polarity.

Unity100: moreover, 3d harvest is not 4d harvest, or 5d harvest and vice versa. the requirements and what is sought in these harvests differ greatly.

Yes, but my understanding has been (and I could have been mistaken all along) that regardless of the home density of the wanderer, once it enters third-density it must pass the same "test", so to speak, of graduation that every other third-density entity must pass.

I don't see why wanderers would be an exception that.

Unity100: it is rather definite that positive entities also have the possibility of getting harvested through contacting intelligent infinity before harvest time. since, no conditions were given for that, but only contact with intelligent infinity.

Hey, whaddya know we're on the same page!

A thought worth mentioning: My thinking is that the positively oriented entity who does contact intelligent infinity is not doing so in order to find the exit to third density, per se. Rather it is a whole-being love of the truth which motivates this type of seeking.

Unity100: however, the question and angle i am approaching from is this - you need to be able to amass/use a certain amount of energy for contacting intelligent infinity according to material.

negative entities can do that by getting energies from other entities. however, positive entities need to be in an environment which is sufficiently positive.

and it seems, on this planet, such a situation which would provide energies enough to contact intelligent infinity before harvest had not happened.

Environment plays a strong role in an entity's polarization, I agree. I recall Ra mentioning how once a planet went negative it was next to impossible for an entity to polarize positively, whereas that was not true in the opposite case.

However, I don't think it a prerequisite that in order to amass/use this quotient of energy on the positive path there need be an overwhelmingly positively polarized environment. Certainly such an environment would be an invaluable aid. But with sufficient will and faith, this light energy could still be amassed.

Unity100: the wanderer, having more concentration, and more spiritual bias in regard to the upward flowing light for hundreds of millions of years, would get affected by the upward stream much more than a 3d entity. it would drive the entity like a truck. or, crash into the wall if blocked.

I like the idea of this upward spiraling light being "concentrated" in the, as you say elsewhere in the forums, "energy model" of the wanderer.

That works for me. If you consider that the upward spiraling light is a subtle energy (subtle meaning obscured by the gross energies of the physical illusion), it is not "potent" in the way that gross energies within the illusion are potent.

But as the entity works with, becomes aware of, and incorporates the spiraling light back into its being over the course of hundreds of millions of years, perhaps it becomes what we would consider to be "concentrated", imbuing itself into the fabric of that entity.

This makes me think of a section in "Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi" where he likens sunlight to the Self:

"...in the sunshine cotton does not burn; but if the cotton be placed under a lens it catches fire and is consumed by the rays of the Sun passing through the lens. So too, though the awareness of the Self is present at all times, it is not inimical to ignorance. If by meditation the subtle state of thought is won, then ignorance is destroyed."

We can say though the awareness of the upward spiraling light is present at all times, it is not inimical to ignorance, to the desire for sleep and non-evolution. But seek it, bring it into being, and *concentrate it*, the light begins to burn away the false notions of self.

Also really enjoy the image of it driving the entity like a truck. Though I don't think it would necessarily involve a crash into a metaphorical wall if blocked. I think entities can sufficiently armor themselves from the subtler energies of truth to the point of being rather impervious, apathetic, pleasure-seeking sleepers.

Love/Light,
GLB

[zenmaster]

I have sensed (so to speak) this experience on the fringes of the moment, but as of yet remain rather stuck (imprisoned, more like it) in a thinking, time-bound mind.

So is this a traditional description of "satori"? If so, from my non-experiential standpoint, I would sure say it was an entry into the moment and a brush with intelligent infinity.

There are different types of experiences in meditation. The satori is an experience that 'sticks' - you inherit something, it becomes integrated in such a way as to always suggest the road to the self, regardless of circumstances. Sure you still have the mental patterning and misunderstandings to balance (which is a 'good thing' because that still gives you catalyst and determination), but they do not have the same impact - you know that which is possible. You now 'know', in an undiminished manner, which has become an essential part of you, that which is 'eternal' and supporting - like a 'guide star' is there. Or rather, symbolically, you have become the 'star' or the lotus.

From my study I understand full immersion into intelligent infinity to be the end of subject and object. There would no longer be a separate "you" to experience something other than you. It would all simply be. Simply be "I AM".

That's exactly what happened - there was no separation from anything. But I felt like everything, I mean everything that was emerging in the moment was a part of me. So you think to yourself, 'what can I 'do' now?' To be honest, I thought everything was so 'holy' or existing in 'perfection' (as I sat there in awe), that I didn't want to change things.

But, I speak from theoretical understanding, not experience. The latter I seek.

This was about 15 years ago, and I think I was reading the Diamond Sutra, the Sutra of Hui Neng, and ''Sufi path of Knowledge' at the time, which I strongly resonated with.

[unity100]

This was about 15 years ago, and I think I was reading the Diamond Sutra, the Sutra of Hui Neng, and ''Sufi path of Knowledge' at the time, which I strongly resonated with.

curious. this places your experience around 1995-96. mine, and one of my friend's were at that same particular time too.

Now this is an interesting thought. For many years I have operated under the premise that once you're a third-density entity - be it native, an import, or a wanderer - you must complete the requirements of harvest in order to graduate from third density. Either by achieving 51% STO at the closing of a 25,000 yr cycle, or by contacting intelligent infinity and thus self-harvesting.

Are you saying that there is no mention whatsoever of the wanderer needing to meet the requirements of harvest?

If so, does anyone reading this know of a section in the Law of One that would refute this statement? (Don't have the time to run a keyword search on "harvest".)

The "entangled" part you mentioned also, I thought, spoke to the possibility of karmic involvement *preventing* being harvested due to a reduction of polarity.

there are numerous mentions of wanderer returning to home or home density in the material

there is one mention of harvest for a wanderer being mentioned, but, that subject is about wanderers which got entangled with planetary vibrations .

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#54

this can be interpreted to mean that the wanderers get harvested, and in case the wanderer got harvested in such a state, it becomes a planetary entity.

or, it can be interpreted in a way that, by getting entangled with the planetary vibrations, the entity makes itself a planetary entity, and therefore gets harvested.

........

the main logical conclusion stems from the fact that harvests for different densities are not the same. 3d harvest seeks 51% positive polarity. 4d harvest seeks understanding and ability to use light.

so, you couldnt use 3d harvest as a means to gauge what level the entity is at, in regard to returning to its home society in 6d.

but, since the harvest mechanic includes by placing the entity in violet ray complex totality to see its true nature, this can be used to gauge the wanderer's resulting situation.

but, we have been told that the 3d harvest involves approaching a strength of light, however the mechanic described in the talk about death in the material (ie placement into violet ray 'body') does not mention it.

Yes, but my understanding has been (and I could have been mistaken all along) that regardless of the home density of the wanderer, once it enters third-density it must pass the same "test", so to speak, of graduation that every other third-density entity must pass.

I don't see why wanderers would be an exception that.

there has been no mention of such a necessity at any given point regarding talk of wanderers, or 3d entities.

even those who were not harvestable from end of 2nd cycle have been able to leave to join their brothers, despite a harvest had not happened. if a harvest was required for that, they couldnt leave.

same mechanic would probably work for wanderers for leaving the planet. harvest is probably not mandatory.

Environment plays a strong role in an entity's polarization, I agree. I recall Ra mentioning how once a planet went negative it was next to impossible for an entity to polarize positively, whereas that was not true in the opposite case.

However, I don't think it a prerequisite that in order to amass/use this quotient of energy on the positive path there need be an overwhelmingly positively polarized environment. Certainly such an environment would be an invaluable aid. But with sufficient will and faith, this light energy could still be amassed.

would need to be a sufficiently positive environment. that no mention of such harvestees were made during the history of this planet, may give some clues as to the level of positive environment required for that.

But as the entity works with, becomes aware of, and incorporates the spiraling light back into its being over the course of hundreds of millions of years, perhaps it becomes what we would consider to be "concentrated", imbuing itself into the fabric of that entity.

you are overcomplicating this. its actually too simple :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#2

i wasnt able to find it now, however there was also another q/a in which the intersection point of the upward flowing energies from mind meeting the downpouring energies from the spirit complex defining the advancement of the entity.

in a wanderer, this intersection would naturally be high - since it involves spirit complex, whose biases are rather permanent - and the upward flowing energies would be flowing in much much stronger than a 3d entity.

[βαθμιαίος]

i wasnt able to find it now, however there was also another q/a in which the intersection point of the upward flowing energies from mind meeting the downpouring energies from the spirit complex defining the advancement of the entity.

Not weighing in on the discussion, but this may be the quote you're thinking of:

49.5 ...The most important concept to grasp about the energy field is that the lower or negative pole will draw the universal energy into itself from the cosmos. Therefrom it will move upward to be met and reacted to by the positive spiraling energy moving downward from within. The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.

As an entity grows more polarized this locus will move upwards. This phenomenon has been called by your peoples the kundalini. However, it may better be thought of as the meeting place of cosmic and inner, shall we say, vibratory understanding. To attempt to raise the locus of this meeting without realizing the metaphysical principles of magnetism upon which this depends is to invite great imbalance.

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As a side note, I believe that this last bit (attempting to raise the locus of the meeting in an unbalanced manner) is what Aleister Crowley did and is healing from.

[Oceania]

crap. i wonder if i have crowley syndrome. when Ra says healing does he really mean hell or lower astral planes? inner planes?

[βαθμιαίος]

Inner planes: "This entity thus became very unhealthy, as you may call it, in a spiritual complex manner, and it is necessary for those with this type of distortion towards inner pain to be nurtured in the inner planes until such an entity is capable of viewing the experiences again with the lack of distortion towards pain."