The mysterious nature of time

[Confused]

We are giving Creator the gift of who we truly are at our purest vibration. What greater gift than our complete self and all its experiences.

That is exactly what I am realizing in these past few days, Gemini. Thank you for saying that. For me, this thread is an avenue for that very purpose that you stated. I checked out Nassim's videos. I saw one where he was talking about the Sun on the lines of what you were saying. I am going to dig deeper into his lectures, probably during the weekend. Meanwhile, I will be posting from a series that I started.

May us both progress towards the unified wholeness, which we seek from the depth of our hearts. Much strength and wishes to you from my side.

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[kia]

Yes Confused, I'm learning that it's about giving ourselves completely back to Creator. For this to happen, every flaw that distorts must be balanced. We are giving Creator the gift of who we truly are at our purest vibration. What greater gift than our complete self and all its experiences.

I've asked Creator many times to help me to surrender. When I find a distortion that is either dense or confusing to balance, I ask Creator to help me allow and surrender.

I've had glimpses of feeling Creator's Love, and it does get better. I'm not in a continual state of bliss, as like any wave it still goes up and down.

Thanks for sharing Gem. I´ve been feeling like that too these days...

to be able to surrender completely is incredibly powerful

[Meerie]

how do you do it? by intent ? saying "I surrender myself to you, creator..."
Gem, I enjoy reading about your experiences. Sometimes I wonder, if you are still human or already turned into a galaxy

[AnthroHeart]

Meerie, that's funny. What works for me at my experience might not work for you. If you stay open to new learnings within yourself, what to do next will come. It can start with little things like observing your reaction to things. It's like there was no way even a few days ago I was ready for the teachings and experience I'm going through now.

Meerie, I can't even imagine the wonders that will come when rejoining Creator at the end of 3D. I can't have expectations, anticipations or sense of urgency because that brings me out of alignment.

So I'd say do what works for you. If saying "I surrender" works then do that. If you're unsure, then be in your truth and say "I'm unsure, what can I do?"

[Confused]

Meerie, that's funny. What works for me at my experience might not work for you. If you stay open to new learnings within yourself, what to do next will come. It can start with little things like observing your reaction to things. It's like there was no way even a few days ago I was ready for the teachings and experience I'm going through now.

Meerie, I can't even imagine the wonders that will come when rejoining Creator at the end of 3D. I can't have expectations, anticipations or sense of urgency because that brings me out of alignment.

So I'd say do what works for you. If saying "I surrender" works then do that. If you're unsure, then be in your truth and say "I'm unsure, what can I do?"

Absolutely breathtaking statements. Beautiful, Gemini!

OK, on a different note, this speech, for me, has spirituality written in secular subtlety all over it. I am personally inspired by President Obama. There is a reason I posted it here in this thread. Timeless values of dignity and freedom are pronounced in most eloquent words. I found it beautiful. I do not wish to dwell for a moment on whatever political machinations and compulsions may exist behind the scenes. I choose to take the beauty and depth of the truths spoken.

[Confused]

[unity100]

OK, on a different note, this speech, for me, has spirituality written in secular subtlety all over it. I am personally inspired by President Obama. There is a reason I posted it here in this thread. Timeless values of dignity and freedom are pronounced in most eloquent words. I found it beautiful. I do not wish to dwell for a moment on whatever political machinations and compulsions may exist behind the scenes. I choose to take the beauty and depth of the truths spoken.

if you are being 'inspired' by someone who acts totally contrary to what he speaks, there is a serious problem there, in regard to telling truth from lies in regard to spirituality.

the 'political machinations' you have so easily dismissed in favor of the 'beauty and depth of the truth spoken', actually are made work for that very person speaking those words to betray those truths.

this is a serious problem.

[Confused]

this is a serious problem.

Hi, unity100, I did not know you visit this thread.

May be there is a problem, unity100. I do not know. I just want to distill the good from all.

However, if you say that I am able to do that because it is happening to others and not personally to me (i.e., the effects of the machinations), then I have no response to that. Pain is usually only pain when it strikes oneself personally. That is the greatest bane of 3D for me.

That said, I still choose to be inspired by the words of President Obama.

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As I am approaching Creator, I believe it is through the 7th subdensity of 3D. I'm picking up spiritual mass (by allowing all that is into myself), and compacting back toward singularity. This shifting of my conscious self into time/space is interesting. It feels fluid, there isn't the same amount of pain when I poke myself or bite on my lip. I go through states of approaching Creator, and then moving back more fully into space/time as I go about my duties in life.

I think the following quote from the LOO speaks to what you are communicating here, Gemini

34.2 Questioner: You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates it experience?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in its perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

[unity100]

this is a serious problem.

Hi, unity100, I did not know you visit this thread.

May be there is a problem, unity100. I do not know. I just want to distill the good from all.

However, if you say that I am able to do that because it is happening to others and not personally to me (i.e., the effects of the machinations), then I have no response to that. Pain is usually only pain when it strikes oneself personally. That is the greatest bane of 3D for me.

That said, I still choose to be inspired by the words of President Obama.

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the person is known to be lying without any kind of doubt. if, there is still inspiration in his words for you, and moreover, you are choosing to 'get inspired' by his words despite your knowledge of his evident betrayal to what he speaks, this may point to a problem in regard to telling the weed from the chaff in regard to spiritual matters/energies. this may reflect to other areas in terms of psychic defense.

[drifting pages]

Confused


I think whoever you are getting inspiration from is a good thing ;D

There is no objective reality anyway, no matter how much some want that to happen.

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah, my experience so far at points is total captivation.

I have to come back though throughout the day to do things, for instance even to pee. Because when shifted partly into time/space I cannot work the muscles to pee because they have shifted slightly for any amount of physical control.

But I'm still pretty much solid. It takes a great deal to completely dematerialize the body.

But it is pretty cool when I'm in that state and don't feel hungry or tired, or really emotionally attached.

Like today, we had a major electrical issue here at home. We had to have 4 different trucks out. The Neutral wire had snapped, causing all my outlets in the home to suddenly go 220V. Typical in US is 110. It blew out some lightbulbs, and a few surge protectors. Ceiling fans were spinning extremely fast, so I had to throw the main breaker so it wouldn't burn down the house. The electrician said that the breaking neutral is the worst thing.

It was like an all day thing. But I was really calm the whole time and able to do further work on myself in the face of this catalyst.

All my electronics survived except for a cheap $20 network switch and a surge protector.

I kept my energy vibration flowing strongly the whole 8-9 hours of the experience.

Thank you for the Ra quote. Good to know that each experiences intelligent infinity in their own way.

I love my partial time/space state. It gets me out of all the drama.

The only thing that really hurts is the teeth, because they are the most dense. I feel these "gravity surges" in my tooth nerves, and that can HURT.

I think the following quote from the LOO speaks to what you are communicating here, Gemini

34.2 Questioner: You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates it experience?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in its perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

[Confused]

DP & unity100 - Politics is such an infection! You can trust on it anytime to throw something good off-gear. It changed the entire hue of this thread, dedicated to understanding the nature of time, on a tail spin :p

Very very interesting experiences with intelligent infinity for you, Gemini. I hope I can experience intelligent infinity for myself soon as well. It is so cool to share these inclinations with you!

[AnthroHeart]

Confused, there indeed will be many moments of tears due to how beautiful a teaching and realization is. When you realize how kind Creator is, it is incredible.

BTW, I'm learning again how to move the body while it's partially shifted. It's not the same as normal body movement. It's through thought. Have to learn how to use will to move the body parts. For instance, in moving my big toe. I had to start small. The toe can actually move to the point where it cramps up. I still feel sensations a bit, but I'm learning as I go to keep my body in partial time/space but still by using controlled thought be able to move my body. It's quite a skill.

It's like I used to shift energy with my mind. Now I shift my body much the same, when it's more toward time/space. Not all the body is very far there, so the parts that are close to space/time still feel pressures and pains. Actually, more than just thought, it's the will that does it. I will it to move, then the body responds, fluidly and gracefully. It's going to take some getting used to.

Hard to explain, but there's more density of movement, so even the moving the foot side to side is like moving a fluid. It's easy to take it too far and have the foot in a very uncomfortable position.

It's also making me sneeze like crazy as parts of my nose and inside the nose shift somewhat. Very itchy sensations.

So it's not just relaxing inward and imploding. It's now about learning how to work with the body in this enhanced state.

Awesome. I was really wanting to be able to still help people instead of reaching intelligent infinity and departing. I like to think about, once that happens, if we have a choice to remain temporarily to help others.

So in short, at this state, it's about using will to move the body, rather than force. Of course I let myself come back more into space/time to take breaks from it.

[Confused]

Awesome. I was really wanting to be able to still help people instead of reaching intelligent infinity and departing. I like to think about, once that happens, if we have a choice to remain temporarily to help others.

They have a term for such a phenomenon in Buddhism called the Boddhisatvas, I think.

In the LOO, such folks are called the Elder Race, I think. You very well could be one among those who breached through into intelligent infinity, but chose again to come back into this incarnation at this time on planet Earth.

[AnthroHeart]

Well, I can tell you that getting to intelligent infinity is very hard. But it could be that the "requirements" are different for each person. My own lessons are about "taking back my power" that I had somehow given up and "letting go".

The close I reach Creator, the more I realize how many flaws I still have. Even with tremendous density of energy around me (which I actually do not feel much sensation now except an inner stillness and at times a strong sensation at the chakras), it's a very delicate matter.

I am also letting my mind slowly be pushed into time/space, but I tend to keep that back in the physical so that I don't lose touch with reality. Body is fine if it goes in more fully. Just want the mind to follow in after.

Though I could be mistaken in this, not sure. Maybe my mind is moving into time/space as well, and just that I can keep reality "together" as I move the mind and body into time/space. I believe spirit is already time/space.

Thank you for that clarification on being able to stay and help. I feel though it could be many years, or it could be in the next second. I do not really know.

[Confused]

I do not really know.

Well, that is one statement that applies to everyone here on earth, I guess! Veiled as we are, under the illusion of the ONE

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Amazement As Speed Of Light 'Is Broken'

[Confused]

But who can alter it and master it?

Good question, brother.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm finding now that whole thing about trying to move my body in these in-between states is a distraction (at least for right now).

After many of the flaws in my body had been balanced, I found that I can approach Creator fastest when I let myself go into the state that is just barely conscious. I sometimes barley fall asleep, and am sort of jolted as the energy intensifies. It wakes me up and keeps me at that barely conscious state. It's somewhat of a letting go rather than a meditation where I "try" to clear my mind.

There is a lot of heat as well, and the sensations of melting, and sometimes I sense a slight smell of smoke (can't be sure though). I learned to let my conscious mind go with it as well, and it is able to keep reality structured well around me. To really accelerate at this current place, it's best to let go and it will pull you along the barely conscious state. The depth of love that is felt increases dramatically at each new step, as does the amount of heat.

[AnthroHeart]

The stream of energy has become superintense and much more narrow now when I allow it. It comes in waves. It teaches me to let go of certain attachments.

The energy challenges the things that come up that I fear leaving or worry they would be undone. The energy asks "do you need this?" and I willingly let go of things that may go undone. Things I will never get to do here, I let it be ok.

The energy builds much like the gears on a 10-speed bike. When you are ok at one level, it shifts into the next gear and the energy flow intensifies. Then the next wave when you're ready for it, then the next. Clearing out attachments that would still separate one from uniting with Creator.

Then, the energy lets up and gives me a break to go about my things. This is not something that is done all at once, but over many days or weeks, or perhaps longer.

[Confused]

Clearing out attachments that would still separate one from uniting with Creator.

I loved this statement, Gemini. It had a deep resonance with me. You are saying many things that I am in a position to listen and understand now. Much love to you, for wanting to unite with the Creator with such vigour.

[zenmaster]

Awesome. I was really wanting to be able to still help people instead of reaching intelligent infinity and departing. I like to think about, once that happens, if we have a choice to remain temporarily to help others.

They have a term for such a phenomenon in Buddhism called the Boddhisatvas, I think.

In the LOO, such folks are called the Elder Race, I think. You very well could be one among those who breached through into intelligent infinity, but chose again to come back into this incarnation at this time on planet Earth.

The Elder Race are simply a small group of Earth natives that were harvestable 25,000 years ago. They evolved from rock to ape to man totally under this Earth logos. This has always been their home. Since that time, many (mostly wanderers) have opened that gateway.

[Confused]

Since that time, many (mostly wanderers) have opened that gateway.

Any idea how? Even Ra does not give much information on this (I think). They just say it was opened. I wonder how it was opened and how does the individual concerned know it was opened.

[zenmaster]

I am also letting my mind slowly be pushed into time/space, but I tend to keep that back in the physical so that I don't lose touch with reality. Body is fine if it goes in more fully. Just want the mind to follow in after.

The mind is already in time/space. Time/space is the nature of 'mind'. Mind IS the principle of 'time' which begins at 2D. Ra even suggests this principle starts at 1D (so did Alexander as 'time is the mind of space').

[Confused]

[zenmaster]

Since that time, many (mostly wanderers) have opened that gateway.

Any idea how? Even Ra does not give much information on this (I think). They just say it was opened. I wonder how it was opened and how does the individual concerned know it was opened.

The way I look at it, we don't start here with a blank slate - we have the potential (polarization) available from past learning. We have a pre-incarnative 'program' which addresses our polarizing and balancing needs by creating biases and dispositions to find certain modes of behavior compelling. That program of study is the basic work. However, the more conscious we are of our lives, the more effective we can be in our work. Learning who you are, in a non-abstract sense, can polarize to a point where there may be such an opening. Apparently that the interpretation of the experience is based on one's valuing system, which itself goes through stages of development. Apparently, on a single life experience, polarization only roughly follows mental/emotional maturity. So one may interpret the (peak/enlightenment) experience differently based on that level of integration.

Once one has that taste, one can not go back - there is no where to hide - one is naked but at the same time 'the cup is full'. There is no true suffering as 'it' supports everything with the genuine connection of an essential nature that is 'infinite'. Because you and society are basically the same thing, on such a foundation, everyone's suffering is seen to be self induced and unnecessary (because the infinite nature trumps circumstantial reactions which people tend to dwell upon). So these difficulties starkly become immediately evaluated as the lessons which they are. And the focus is on how we deal with situations, not how we became victims of situations (as so many here want to focus upon for some reason).

[AnthroHeart]

I am also letting my mind slowly be pushed into time/space, but I tend to keep that back in the physical so that I don't lose touch with reality. Body is fine if it goes in more fully. Just want the mind to follow in after.

The mind is already in time/space. Time/space is the nature of 'mind'. Mind IS the principle of 'time' which begins at 2D. Ra even suggests this principle starts at 1D (so did Alexander as 'time is the mind of space').

The conscious mind is on the space/time side of the veil. Otherwise we would see what goes on in time/space. And our conscious mind is under the influence of time. Why else would we get bored or notice that "today's passing fast". But the conscious mind can be shifted into time/space through meditation, or what I'm doing or other means. There's a night and day difference in the feeling and experiencing of time vs. timelessness in my experiencing.

The subconscious is in time/space.

The mind is complex, existing in both. I should have been more clear before, when I said mind I meant the part of it we are actually perceiving our reality with.

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Once one has that taste, one can not go back - there is no where to hide - one is naked but at the same time 'the cup is full'. There is no true suffering as 'it' supports everything with the genuine connection of an essential nature that is 'infinite'. Because you and society are basically the same thing, on such a foundation, everyone's suffering is seen to be self induced and unnecessary (because the infinite nature trumps circumstantial reactions which people tend to dwell upon). So these difficulties starkly become immediately evaluated as the lessons which they are. And the focus is on how we deal with situations, not how we became victims of situations (as so many here want to focus upon for some reason).

This is true. You can't hide from yourself, as every judgment, bias, etc, becomes infinitely apparant, and must be accepted fully in order to further approach Creator.

[Confused]

Learning who you are, in a non-abstract sense, can polarize to a point where there may be such an opening.

Thanks for making some very deep points, zenmaster. I in fact had to read the post more than twice to understand the finer nuances. Very informative post Thank you.

In the quote of yours that I have picked here, can you please tell me more about what you meant about learning oneself in a "non-abstract sense", please?

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The Holographic Subconscious - A New Map

[zenmaster]

I am also letting my mind slowly be pushed into time/space, but I tend to keep that back in the physical so that I don't lose touch with reality. Body is fine if it goes in more fully. Just want the mind to follow in after.

The mind is already in time/space. Time/space is the nature of 'mind'. Mind IS the principle of 'time' which begins at 2D. Ra even suggests this principle starts at 1D (so did Alexander as 'time is the mind of space').

The conscious mind is on the space/time side of the veil. Otherwise we would see what goes on in time/space.

The conscious mind is oriented towards the space/time side of the veil. That is the bias. We do see what goes on in time/space - that is where symbols come from that we use for language, for example. That is also where the periphery of wholeness from which the feeling faculty orders experience.

And our conscious mind is under the influence of time. Why else would we get bored or notice that "today's passing fast".

But time and duration are really not the same thing. It's like saying that the world is moving towards new york.

But the conscious mind can be shifted into time/space through meditation, or what I'm doing or other means. There's a night and day difference in the feeling and experiencing of time vs. timelessness in my experiencing.

timelessness is a balance. space/time and time/space are inherently the same thing but separated due to bias. What we refer to as 'space' is an agreed-upon quality and what we call 'time' is an agreed-upon quality. But space=time and time=space. They are made to be distinct from each other through our mental projections of opposites - line and circle, for example.

The subconscious is in time/space.

The mind is in time/space - the brain (genetic body interface to mind) is in space/time.

The mind is complex, existing in both. I should have been more clear before, when I said mind I meant the part of it we are actually perceiving our reality with.

Our reality perception is highly influenced by the nature of our connection to mind. Here it's geared towards separation for the purpose of learning.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Zen. I've been going by what I directly observe, so there's a lot I still have yet to learn. I am thankful that this isn't the density of knowing else I'd be that much further from finishing. So is a bias a prejudice or inclination, or is it more fundamental than that?

I think part of what Zen means by "non-abstract sense" is knowing what makes you, you. What little nuances affect your decisions. What causes emotional response. What introduces distortion to you?

Update, this morning the bone in my nose started making light crunching sounds and felt sensation of pushing within it.

I think smell of smoke before was something else. I think it was smell of my own BO .

[zenmaster]

Thanks Zen. I've been going by what I directly observe, so there's a lot I still have yet to learn. I am thankful that this isn't the density of knowing else I'd be that much further from finishing. So is a bias a prejudice or inclination, or is it more fundamental than that?

The bias is fundamentally our position with respect to the balance between our consciousness and unconscious. From that 'distortion' we seek wholeness or balance. We select those things which are perceived to provide that balance, very often in an unconscious (slower) manner.

I think part of what Zen means by "non-abstract sense" is knowing what makes you, you. What little nuances affect your decisions. What causes emotional response. What introduces distortion to you?

By 'abstract', I mean what has been extended away from self in order to be observed, recognized and understood (accepted or acknowledged). Often these projections do lead to emotional responses as they move from mind to body.

Even in the seemingly quite volatile landscape of mind, misunderstandings (biases) remain as attractors unless and until addressed in some manner. At which point we reclaim or take ownership of that part of ourselves. Until then we necessarily force others to point out our misunderstandings. Such is the nature of the complimentary neurotic structures that form the basis of most relationships.