The mysterious nature of time

[zenmaster]

"A person cannot grow toward wholeness without reconciling the polarities of consciousness and the unconscious"

Awesome, is that your quote?

I've always seen this process as reconciling my taboos.

It was from Jefferey Miller's "The transcendent function: Jung's model of psychological growth through Dialog with the Unconscious". What I thought was one of the more cogent ideas on the subject. I look at taboos as fine things to have, if you are completely congruent with them.

Is there a limit to the ability of 3D to individuate (I assume this is another word for being who you truly are)?

There are no limits to individuation. There are constraints with the 3D form however, which do limit expression within that framework. There is also limited time, apparently. Here, we have a mind that imposes an ordered separation of information. So most discoveries are done through that veiling effect. At a certain point of individuation, it is possible to "come back around" and become part of the collective once again - this time as an individual which has reconciled the opposites to a certain extent, withdrawn projections and now able to work transparently with others. Even in 3D, as part of a "social memory complex".

The Jung quote you gave states my perspective clearly.

As I was sure it would in the end.

[Confused]

[Confused]

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[AnthroHeart]

This energetic hypnosis now allows me to simultaneously expand and contract in my journey into the denser depths of the subconscious ocean, as I integrate the conscious and subconscious mind. The body comes along for the ride. The frontal cortex helps put the brakes on the expansion if it gets too much.

[zenmaster]

This energetic hypnosis now allows me to simultaneously expand and contract in my journey into the denser depths of the subconscious ocean, as I integrate the conscious and subconscious mind. The body comes along for the ride. The frontal cortex helps put the brakes on the expansion if it gets too much.

The subconscious is indeed that which is accessed during hypnosis. But the unconscious is what becomes integrated. The subconscious could be seen as that layer of information which had already made its way to consciousness in some from, but then lost due to that form being insufficient for practical use. The subconscious is what we are eliciting when we try to find our misplaced car keys, for example.

The unconscious is, from the perspective of the ego, pretty much everything else that is not ego. So the ego may be seen as the focal point of consciousness. There is also something like a "witness" which can see the ego being conscious. We intuitively know the witness is something different because its not engaged in the same manner, but it is aware. That witnessing consciousness is also you. Since "ego" means "I", that witness is also ego, but from a more encompassing perspective.

[Meerie]

This guy cracks me up, a great sense of humour mixed with good down-to earth wisdom:


and some short notes on peace:

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Zen. I like the first video that mentions wonder. Though we can't be in wonder all the time, there's so much to experience. Can we recognize our I amness in an expanded state? Or do we recognize it moreso in a balance of expanded and contracted state?

If I am right, Love is expanding, Light is contracting. When I create/manifest a taste (a form of light) for instance, I tighten down the energy.

[3DMonkey]

"everything else is a modification, a ripple, and a rising
and
suffering and bondage is the misidentification of i-am-ness with an object
you identify with yourself your ego and your body
and that just is the world of objects they come they stay a bit they torture you and they leave"

Pointing this out is a modification.

I say "I-am-ness" is a modification.
I say the unconscious is a modification.

You see what I see? The ripples start from the point of thought, and everything is just a thought. "I-am-ness 5 millennia ago" is a ripple.

(there is no iamness unless you want to believe there is iamness
and if you want to believe there is iamness then it is nothing more than a desire to think that way and not a discovery of the reality of iamness which makes it totally irrelevant to anything other than fulfilling the desire of the individual that chooses to believe it.

you can watch the audience as they contemplate deeply what he is saying because they want to find something deep and meaningful and try to figure how they want to apply what they are teaching themselves via this deep thought. This is entertainment for the self. And since it is human entertainment, it has no more relevance than a young man hunting deer, or a widow weeping over her fallen spouse.

They can have as much fun as they want, IMO. I encourage them to have fun. My only purpose in speaking on this subject is to say 'it's another form of entertainment'. I have no purpose to argue. I have no purpose to judge. I have no purpose to show distaste. I make an observation. I express my mind. ... for entertainment.)

[AnthroHeart]

I can taste this water, and feel the coolness of it in my hands. I not only taste with my tongue, I can taste the water with my hands. Though it hasn't manifest yet.


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[Confused]

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[zenmaster]

Thanks Zen. I like the first video that mentions wonder. Though we can't be in wonder all the time, there's so much to experience. Can we recognize our I amness in an expanded state? Or do we recognize it moreso in a balance of expanded and contracted state?

If I am right, Love is expanding, Light is contracting. When I create/manifest a taste (a form of light) for instance, I tighten down the energy.

In your own words, what is your "expanded" vs "contracted" state?

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"everything else is a modification, a ripple, and a rising
and
suffering and bondage is the misidentification of i-am-ness with an object
you identify with yourself your ego and your body
and that just is the world of objects they come they stay a bit they torture you and they leave"

Pointing this out is a modification.

I say "I-am-ness" is a modification.
I say the unconscious is a modification.

You see what I see? The ripples start from the point of thought, and everything is just a thought. "I-am-ness 5 millennia ago" is a ripple.

(there is no iamness unless you want to believe there is iamness
and if you want to believe there is iamness then it is nothing more than a desire to think that way and not a discovery of the reality of iamness which makes it totally irrelevant to anything other than fulfilling the desire of the individual that chooses to believe it.

you can watch the audience as they contemplate deeply what he is saying because they want to find something deep and meaningful and try to figure how they want to apply what they are teaching themselves via this deep thought. This is entertainment for the self. And since it is human entertainment, it has no more relevance than a young man hunting deer, or a widow weeping over her fallen spouse.

They can have as much fun as they want, IMO. I encourage them to have fun. My only purpose in speaking on this subject is to say 'it's another form of entertainment'. I have no purpose to argue. I have no purpose to judge. I have no purpose to show distaste. I make an observation. I express my mind. ... for entertainment.)

Did you somehow think it was purported to be something else?

[3DMonkey]

Did you somehow think it was purported to be something else?

Yes. Absolutely, I think it is.

Just like the very entertaining man Meerie posted video of. He says "don't try to change others".... Get it?

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Zen. I like the first video that mentions wonder. Though we can't be in wonder all the time, there's so much to experience. Can we recognize our I amness in an expanded state? Or do we recognize it moreso in a balance of expanded and contracted state?

If I am right, Love is expanding, Light is contracting. When I create/manifest a taste (a form of light) for instance, I tighten down the energy.

In your own words, what is your "expanded" vs "contracted" state?

By expanded state I was referring to the mental outlook. When I am in wonder, I cannot think "i am" in wonder, because it snaps me out of wonder. We would have to recognize our I amness with being rather than thinking about it. I guess then "I am" becomes "am".

If the subconscious mind is tied to conscious in some fasion as it appears to be, is the subconscious infinitely deep, or is only the unconscious infinite? I am assuming conscious mind is not infinite, if we are limiting to what we directly perceive.

Anyway, I have no real sophisticated control over tastes. I just get generally sweet or bitter or sour or whatever. Seems I'll have to program "taste" too. And tasting with hands went away. It comes and goes.

[AnthroHeart]

Before, I felt the incredible denseness around the 3rd eye (it physically hurt at times while I was finding center). It was like being in the eye of the storm, if my conscious mind went off center I really felt it. I don't feel those sensations anymore. I don't physically feel that I am approaching the 3rd eye, though maybe I still am. It does not feel like I am moving "toward" anything.

I think the real singularity is mind. We approach mind by integrating the un/sub/con minds and body. If mind is singularity (and the Universe is projected within mind), then we are all in singularity now, and nothing (not even consciousness nor time) is really moving.

Can you imagine the possibilities of singularity?

Balance in Love and Light,
Gemini Wolf

[Confused]

The Fate-Time Paradox

[AnthroHeart]

Knowledge is expanding to us, right?
I find that we must grind it in, to understand. To contract in other words.
So I pump contraction and I let expansion. Dirty thoughts can be contracting.

Let me offer contrast: Think of the gooey, sticky remains of a body (in my case an anthro body).

Now I ask, am I going too far, at this moment for you? My greatest dilemma is that I must balance compassion with offering contrast.
I want for so bad to contract, that offering contrast is of great desire.

[Confused]

1. The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.
Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

From "The Tao Te Ching" source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

[zenmaster]

Did you somehow think it was purported to be something else?

Yes. Absolutely, I think it is.

Just like the very entertaining man Meerie posted video of. He says "don't try to change others".... Get it?

It definitely seems that you are still confusing your "as if it were the case" with "it is the case".

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Thanks Zen. I like the first video that mentions wonder. Though we can't be in wonder all the time, there's so much to experience. Can we recognize our I amness in an expanded state? Or do we recognize it moreso in a balance of expanded and contracted state?

If I am right, Love is expanding, Light is contracting. When I create/manifest a taste (a form of light) for instance, I tighten down the energy.

In your own words, what is your "expanded" vs "contracted" state?

By expanded state I was referring to the mental outlook. When I am in wonder, I cannot think "i am" in wonder, because it snaps me out of wonder. We would have to recognize our I amness with being rather than thinking about it. I guess then "I am" becomes "am".

That makes it easier to talk about. There are different aspects and levels (or states) of "expansion", as obviously you can still be "expanded" and have limited awareness (based on what part of "you" is being applied).

If the subconscious mind is tied to conscious in some fasion as it appears to be, is the subconscious infinitely deep, or is only the unconscious infinite? I am assuming conscious mind is not infinite, if we are limiting to what we directly perceive.

We can't have total consciousness or total unconsciousness. Consciousness is finite (although infinitely unique in quality), it's our awareness. The subconscious is like a blurry layer between conscious and unconscious. The unconscious is effectively infinite. In Jungian terms the "higher self" would be all of the unconscious made conscious. Here in 3D, to use a bad analogy, the unconscious is like 99.999...% of what makes up "you".

[3DMonkey]

Did you somehow think it was purported to be something else?

Yes. Absolutely, I think it is.

Just like the very entertaining man Meerie posted video of. He says "don't try to change others".... Get it?

It definitely seems that you are still confusing your "as if it were the case" with "it is the case".

I do not know what you are trying to say.

[AnthroHeart]

I offer this contrast. There's I wanna eat, and then there's NOM NOM NOM. You may even feel the energy or have intuition on the difference of these.



Confused, am I offering the right amount of contrast, too much, to little?

How do you feel is the balance between your offering of knowledge, and mine of contrast?

I do admit I haven't had a chance to look at all your vids, but I will try to catch up.

[Meerie]

Lol at that little guy in the car... is he driving to the place where he gets his "nom nom"? The ripples I felt from watching this vid were mostly ripples of my belly moving due to laughter

[3DMonkey]

Different expressions of the exact same thing.


(great video. synchronistic. I've been desiring a pet rat for the family. Been surfing youtube videos like these lately)

[Confused]

How do you feel is the balance between your offering of knowledge, and mine of contrast?

May the Tao flow freely through our submissions, GW. May the ONE shine through us, the instruments of its being. We all supplement and complement each other.

To Share in the Dream of the All that There Is

[AnthroHeart]

Lol at that little guy in the car... is he driving to the place where he gets his "nom nom"? The ripples I felt from watching this vid were mostly ripples of my belly moving due to laughter

Thanks. Yeah, nom nom nom is like a furry meme.

If you want to expand that statement more, you'd say: OM NOM NOM (like O in oscar)

Starting with OM is like epic NOM.

I'm not sure, I think he had his nom nom in the car, yes/no?

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Another of my favorites, this can be expanding or contracting, depending on your view.

It's somewhat of a furry meme as well. It is nom to my ears.

[Confused]

[AnthroHeart]

Here's some more contrast. It combines epic with mundane.



It's called extreme advertising.

http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&....4.2.2l8l0

[3DMonkey]

Another of my favorites, this can be expanding or contracting, depending on your view.

It's somewhat of a furry meme as well. It is nom to my ears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8cwePQWtoY

I heard this song in that video.

I prefer 0:30-0:45 as catalyst, as you would say, GW



It's a favorite of mine, and I love the line in this song. "Sometimes ups outnumber the downs.....
but not in Nottingham"

[AnthroHeart]

Awesome 3D, so you survived hamsterdance to the end.