Interesting. Green/blue is missing from negative system, but,

[unity100]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

[3DMonkey]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

Exactly.

[zenmaster]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

Not all of it of course, that's for 4-7th densities, but in 3rd density, apparently enough to make a rough-hewn sculpture. By the late-6th density, you've integrated all of the personal unconscious.

[native]

Exactly.

Never go swimmin with bowlegged women.

[unity100]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

Not all of it of course, that's for 4-7th densities, but in 3rd density, apparently enough to make a rough-hewn sculpture. By the late-6th density, you've integrated all of the personal unconscious.

you cant integrate unconscious at all. else, discovery and unknown would stop. the unconscious-conscious mind are reflections of the conscious and unconscious of infinite intelligence. fully 'integrating', whatever that means, would mean that the discovery would stop.

it doesnt. it probably continues, in the next octave.

[Liet]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

Not all of it of course, that's for 4-7th densities, but in 3rd density, apparently enough to make a rough-hewn sculpture. By the late-6th density, you've integrated all of the personal unconscious.

to simplify things, the brow chakra represent the universe and enhances ones "unconscious" processing
and the solar plexus enhances ones conscious processing (selective awareness)

[Ens Entium]

Isn't it that integration of those things that are subconscious just allows one to look at the many ways of being and the many actions that exist as just the distortion of the person one has come to be (with more integrated) and no longer 'not you'? Just a sampling of what you know yourself to be?

It would seem that, in integrating subconscious material (beliefs, attitudes, desires, etc) by acknowledging it, it is given the context of 'one form of. Identity'. And so, the way one thinks about it and deals with it changes. Is this not how one's definition of oneself expands?

I would, rather than referring to this as a type of 'containment', refer to it as an increase in transparency between the two. Allowing one to 'swim' deeper.

[3DMonkey]

Exactly.

Never go swimmin with bowlegged women.

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Isn't it that integration of those things that are subconscious just allows one to look at the many ways of being and the many actions that exist as just the distortion of the person one has come to be (with more integrated) and no longer 'not you'? Just a sampling of what you know yourself to be?

It would seem that, in integrating subconscious material (beliefs, attitudes, desires, etc) by acknowledging it, it is given the context of 'one form of. Identity'. And so, the way one thinks about it and deals with it changes. Is this not how one's definition of oneself expands?

I would, rather than referring to this as a type of 'containment', refer to it as an increase in transparency between the two. Allowing one to 'swim' deeper.

I'm just wondering why any of that is necessary. Unintegrated unconscious is still a part of one's life and, frankly, it's a valuable part in every interaction.

[zenmaster]

unconscious is bigger than the conscious. you cant integrate it to the conscious. conscious swims in unconscious and discovers.

Not all of it of course, that's for 4-7th densities, but in 3rd density, apparently enough to make a rough-hewn sculpture. By the late-6th density, you've integrated all of the personal unconscious.

to simplify things, the brow chakra represent the universe and enhances ones "unconscious" processing
and the solar plexus enhances ones conscious processing (selective awareness)

I would agree with that, although it is a little simplified. Working with the brow, you have a 'universal view' or transpersonal view, yes. If you are able to maintain that 'vibration', things hidden can be known and change quickly.

[Ens Entium]

Isn't it that integration of those things that are subconscious just allows one to look at the many ways of being and the many actions that exist as just the distortion of the person one has come to be (with more integrated) and no longer 'not you'? Just a sampling of what you know yourself to be?

It would seem that, in integrating subconscious material (beliefs, attitudes, desires, etc) by acknowledging it, it is given the context of 'one form of. Identity'. And so, the way one thinks about it and deals with it changes. Is this not how one's definition of oneself expands?

I would, rather than referring to this as a type of 'containment', refer to it as an increase in transparency between the two. Allowing one to 'swim' deeper.

I'm just wondering why any of that is necessary. Unintegrated unconscious is still a part of one's life and, frankly, it's a valuable part in every interaction.

Valuable in what sense?

I wasn't meaning that integration negates the subconscious. I think there will always be (surprising, valuable, 'unique',...) things that emerge from outside conscious awareness. I just meant that it helps to see identity in more relaxed way- it allows greater capacity to accept others and to interact with them as they are, and more skillfully as you see where they are coming from and what is attracting and nudging them mentally.

Also, recognising (now previously) subconscious motivations and investments of value and virtue (which are often invested in a confused way) helps to remove compulsion, obsession and the sorts.

I have feel I haven't really responded properly yet. I don't think it's a matter of 'having to'. On a simpler level (and also as an analogy) one can interact from an ignorance of some fact or understanding and live with it or one can work to remedy that. I think this is similar.

[zenmaster]

It would seem that, in integrating subconscious material (beliefs, attitudes, desires, etc) by acknowledging it, it is given the context of 'one form of. Identity'. And so, the way one thinks about it and deals with it changes. Is this not how one's definition of oneself expands?

Yes. When you integrate the unconscious, you are essentially healing yourself. If you want to be proactive about it, dreamwork and active imagination can be important in accelerating evolution.

[AnthroHeart]

Totally agree with the active imagination part Zen, as that's been my experience. Haven't had much experience with the dreamwork though since it hasn't yet captured much of my interest. My dreams tend to be somewhat bizarre and difficult to interpret. But exploring myself through the use of story has been quite vital in my quest of knowing myself.

[zenmaster]

I later found out that what shaman's refer to as "journeying" is essentially Jung's "active imagination".