In regards to eating meat

[BrownEye]

It is a natural use of a sensory system. Some folks will have senses that work better, or is more (sense)itive than others.

Kind of like some can see auras while most can't. That is not a symptom. Rather the "not" sensing is a symptom of modern civilized lifestyle/belief.

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I guess from your viewpoint "seeing" is also a symptom. And that any input through a sense organ is classified as a symptom?


As an experiment place your bed against a wall with your fridge or main power in on the other side of that wall.

Then ask yourself (why the electromagnetic field of her body is not powerful enough to mitigate the effects of the negative external fields)

[Tenet Nosce]

It is a natural use of a sensory system. Some folks will have senses that work better, or is more (sense)itive than others.

Kind of like some can see auras while most can't. That is not a symptom. Rather the "not" sensing is a symptom of modern civilized lifestyle/belief.

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I guess from your viewpoint "seeing" is also a symptom. And that any input through a sense organ is classified as a symptom?


As an experiment place your bed against a wall with your fridge or main power in on the other side of that wall.

Then ask yourself (why the electromagnetic field of her body is not powerful enough to mitigate the effects of the negative external fields)

Pickle... believe whatever you want. No... actually I don't, and wouldn't sleep with my head near a strong EMF, as comes from an alarm clock or electrical outlet. No, I wouldn't spend hours a day with a cell phone pressed up against my skull.

I am actually well aware of the real risks of EMF. I stand by my statement. If a person's system goes all haywire because they are standing near their home computer... that is a symptom of the body. Not the computer. Sitting in a large computer lab all night under fluorescent lights writing a term paper is a different scenario.

I see no reason to take such an EXTREME view on all these things. Golly gee willikers, Pickle! How can you sleep at night?

We can't eat the food. We can't drink the water. We can't breathe the air. EMFs are killing us. Fluoride is killing us. GMOs are killing us. Pharmaceuticals are killing us. Charred burgers are killing us. It goes on FOREVER!

1. We are still here.

2. The point of physicality isn't to "live forever".

That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. I honor and respect your path. But I do not choose it.

What I -am- choosing is to no longer engage with you on health or scientific matters. You are apparently convinced that you "already know" everything there is to know on fringe health topics, and have arrived at the unshakeable conclusion that the most EXTREME reaction to all these things is the appropriate response.

After a certain point, the fear one feels toward all these things is more destructive to body, and to the soul, than the things themselves.

[Diana]

It is a natural use of a sensory system. Some folks will have senses that work better, or is more (sense)itive than others.

Kind of like some can see auras while most can't. That is not a symptom. Rather the "not" sensing is a symptom of modern civilized lifestyle/belief.

I see no reason to take such an EXTREME view on all these things. Golly gee willikers, Pickle! We can't eat the food. We can't drink the water. We can't breathe the air. EMFs are killing us. Fluoride is killing us. GMOs are killing us. Pharmaceuticals are killing us. Charred burgers are killing us. It goes on FOREVER!

1. We are still here.

2. The point of physicality isn't to "live forever".

We are at a precarious point in human history where our technology does not line up with our integrity, consciousness, and spirituality (for lack of a better word). The things mentioned above--fluoride, GMOs, polluted air and water, etc--are definitely causing harm to not only us, but other life forms as well. So in that sense, they are killing us.

For my part, I try and maximize my potential health on all levels, knowing they are all affecting each other. There are different ways to see this issue: from the standpoint of the body, and from the standpoint of a larger view of existence.

Here is a scenario to ponder:

A very advanced physical being from an advanced balanced society (one that has mastered and moved on from our technological challenges, and who considers all life forms in its construction) visits us. What might this entity think of the way we live, considering the items mentioned above, and in this thread (meat, broadcasting frequencies, etc.)?

[Monica]

Interestingly, one of the raw vegan gurus recently ran an article in which he totally blasted the enzyme philosophy.

Interesting. Do you have a link?

Sure, with the disclaimer that I don't agree with everything this guy says. He's got a lot of great info, but is what I'd consider a 'purist' and is very, very rigid and dogmatic in his opinions. Same with his wife. They claim to be open-minded but are quick to condemn a lot of things before they've done their due diligence. (As you can quickly see in this example.)

I was actually impressed when they recently stated that parents aren't committing an unforgiveable sin if they feed their young children a bit of cooked vegan food!

I actually quit reading their newsletter for awhile because I got tired of being told that so many foods were 'bad'. Can't have onions. Can't have garlic. Can't have spices. Bleh! There seemed to be more emphasis on what not to do, instead of what to do.

In all fairness, they seem to have now loosened up their stance considerably, so I've resumed reading their blogs. Ironically, in this particular blog they are the ones on the defensive from their purist fanbase!

I don't want to over-analyze them, but just want to make the point that there are many raw vegan 'gurus' out there, so please don't judge the whole movement based on just this one.

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/blog/?p=2036

[_X7]

Pickle, regarding the frequency of power grids.... It was in 1888 that Niagra Falls was tapped to power Buffalo, NY close by, using AC power instead of rope pulleys. At that time 60 cps was a great trade off to avoid flickering lights, provide efficient transformers and motors given very limited facilities (like belt-pulley mills etc). It is certainly true that Tesla wrote of and invented high frequency systems, but we all know that the banker cults refused to upgrade power grids. Which today are still much the same principle in technological aspects, to the 1888 beginnings.

EMF smog is somewhat like a neighbor playing music too loudly or otherwise broadcasting bad emotional vibrations. Second hand smoke is unhealthy, yet some folks live through old age regardless. Some of us are able to maintain equilibrium regardless of interferences, others not. The benefits of 60hz likely far outweigh the hazards. Yet much better health can be obtained with a few simple measures and common sense. Try helping young people concerning these issues? Ya, it is almost impossible.

[Tenet Nosce]

***THIS JUST IN***

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

[Diana]

***THIS JUST IN***

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

I think he did not address all levels of his health. If he focused on the physical only, without addressing unresolved anger issues for instance, the problem would return.

Only he is responsible for his health. Whatever a guru or practitioner says, he is the one who makes the decisions about his health, and that must require his participation, not his blind following of said advice.

There is no magic bullet. We must all individually assess on all levels our states of being. Practitioners are part of our information system. As for gurus, I don't hold with following anybody.

[Tenet Nosce]

Only he is responsible for his health. Whatever a guru or practitioner says, he is the one who makes the decisions about his health, and that must require his participation, not his blind following of said advice.

What if the guru/practitioner used misinformation, coercion, or manipulative sales tactics in order to "convert" this person to their distorted views? No karma incurred there? Clear conscience for those folks? Any negative effect on polarization, do you think?

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A very advanced physical being from an advanced balanced society (one that has mastered and moved on from our technological challenges, and who considers all life forms in its construction) visits us. What might this entity think of the way we live, considering the items mentioned above, and in this thread (meat, broadcasting frequencies, etc.)?

Interesting to ponder. I wonder if such a being would feel personally threatened by all these things, and to what degree they would encourage us to focus on longevity at this nexus.

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

Questioner: Is that the secret of longevity and perhaps even immortality or a long life of the body, a conscious spiritual … meditation or … of the spiritual mind and the DNA genetic code …

That which is long life is desired by some among your peoples. But in your present vibration it is not truly desirable. There will come a time when longevity is natural. Efforts to precede this natural moment by means of scientific and technological advances may perhaps be fascinating and inspiring to your peoples. However, when longevity is a desirable tool, which you may use to good effect, learning and growing throughout a longer incarnation, the exterior vibrations will of necessity have, shall we say, ameliorated and wars and violence and other negative aspects will have lessened in their impact on the planetary vibration. The efforts of single individuals to have lives on the planet which do not take into account the utter negativity of the planetary vibration are lives, which, shall we say, are those of a hermit and may not be as rewarding to the progress of the soul. However, we realize that we are not addressing ourselves to your question, but it is not a question that we can answer simply.

Questioner: (Inaudible).

I am aware of your question, my sister. First, let us elucidate the question for the one known as [Ra] for his description of longevity as we understood it included not nearly a long life as we now know it, but that which you would term an impossibly long life, such as one which would span two centuries or more. And, indeed, we enjoy a longer life than you by many centuries, for our whole sense of time and space have changed, as we have entered new vibratory patterns. Now secondly, let us address ourselves to your question of a normally long life being perhaps not desirable.

May we say to you that lives, as you know them, whether long or short, by any standards, are in a certain pattern, which you have chosen before you enter into the pattern. As a result of going from the beginning to the end of this pattern, your spirit hopes that it will have learned certain lessons, and thus have improved and defined the vibration which is its essence in the sphere of eternity in which all of you truly glow.

When one contemplates and then does that which is known as suicide, one cuts short before the natural end the time of learning, and more often than not the lessons which that soul had hoped to learn had not been learned. Consequently, it is often so that rather than alleviating karma, the action of taking one’s life adds more karma to the burden which is already carried and which you are trying to discharge by the expression which is the lifetime which you are now living.

Thus, when you reenter incarnation you have not only the original lesson to relearn but an additional severity to that lesson which is brought on by that pain which you have caused to those who you have previously left. Many times this type of karma is alleviated by the total forgiveness of those whom you have hurt.

However, it is simply desirable to live until it is time for your lesson to be through, for your burdens to be laid down. It is a truism, we are aware, but we must repeat that you are not given those things which you cannot bear. Thus, working through what is difficult when you finished with a lifetime at its natural end, whether it be short or long, you can then go on and learn other perhaps more agreeable lessons in other perhaps more agreeable spheres or vibrations.

If you may think of your existence as having a natural rhythm and an ongoing purpose, perhaps it will be easier for you to understand that suicide, as you call it, is a stoppage of that rhythm in an arbitrary manner. Instead, it is desirable to proceed with the rhythm of your existence, always seeing the many lessons that are about you and letting the realization of love flow into you from the Father. If you can keep these realizations before you, your life in this realm and all others will be enjoyable and fruitful. Does this answer your question?

[BrownEye]

Pickle... believe whatever you want. No... actually I don't, and wouldn't sleep with my head near a strong EMF, as comes from an alarm clock or electrical outlet. No, I wouldn't spend hours a day with a cell phone pressed up against my skull.

I am actually well aware of the real risks of EMF. I stand by my statement. If a person's system goes all haywire because they are standing near their home computer... that is a symptom of the body. Not the computer. Sitting in a large computer lab all night under fluorescent lights writing a term paper is a different scenario.

I see no reason to take such an EXTREME view on all these things. Golly gee willikers, Pickle! We can't eat the food. We can't drink the water. We can't breathe the air. EMFs are killing us. Fluoride is killing us. GMOs are killing us. Pharmaceuticals are killing us. Charred burgers are killing us. It goes on FOREVER!

1. We are still here.

2. The point of physicality isn't to "live forever".

That's pretty much my view in a nutshell. I honor and respect your path. But I do not choose it.

What I -am- choosing is to no longer engage with you on health or scientific matters. You are apparently convinced that you "already know" everything there is to know on fringe health topics, and have arrived at the unshakeable conclusion that the most EXTREME reaction to all these things is the appropriate response.

I prefer the natural beauty of a fully healthy and perfect woman. Not the type that needs to put on a mask, put on an act, rely on drugs and technology to offset an imbalance as a result of moving away from nature.

The shunning of nature in order to embrace techology has been done on other planets as we already know.

Pickle, regarding the frequency of power grids....

I know what history tends to portray. If you connect to any of your guides, or your oversoul, or even source(rare) you can ask about events in history. While the tracks of a train really were based on the measurements of a horses ass, the decisions on 60hz were largely chosen as to what the effect would be on the public. There are other fully useable frequencies that are nowhere near as harmful to us. And you will find in those early days they experimented with a full range of frequencies and the effect on the organism.

***THIS JUST IN***

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

What caused the cancer to begin with? I can harbor dark energy in a specific organ, eventually causing cancer. After treatment, I can eat right, exercise, even do yoga, but if I continue to store dark energy in that same organ it will become cancerous yet again.

Every nerve ending is for sensory experience. One of the persons experiences is not assimilating in a positive manner, not keeping to perfect homeostasis.

Then also, the person may not have the right diet to offset the past damage. ...........an example would be myself having damaged my pancreas from my early habits. I can bring it back to full function quicker if I was to be more disciplined than I am, which would not be very easy with a daily job. Or I can just maintain cleanliness and wait for the system to repair itself at a slower rate, without having to inconvenience my schedule.

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Well, I certainly might be making things up in my mind about that. I will say that it appears to me that if I said the sky was blue, certain individuals would feel compelled to call it green. Not you. Also, I am saying this in the broader context of this forum, rather than just this specific thread.

Really?

My eyes do not see radiating wavelengths the same as my wife. What appears to be a green light to me is a blue light to my wife. The orange and yellow are iffy too. Doesn't really have a whole lot of effect on a person unless they were wearing the color itself.

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Here is a scenario to ponder:

A very advanced physical being from an advanced balanced society (one that has mastered and moved on from our technological challenges, and who considers all life forms in its construction) visits us. What might this entity think of the way we live, considering the items mentioned above, and in this thread (meat, broadcasting frequencies, etc.)?

This has already happened. We still have a quarantine LMAO!

I don't think we will be allowed to destroy other planets beyond this one. At least not until we destroy this one first, then we will be moved to the next one in line.

[Monica]

My partner relates to me the story of a man in her yoga class today. 17 years ago he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Had it removed. Since then, he has been living a "pure" lifestyle, including a "clean" diet and practicing yoga regularly.

He just found out that the cancer returned.

What do you guys think? EMFs? Not enough colonics? Or maybe did he never take care of the underlying problem, thinking that diet, exercise, and faith would be sufficient?

What does that say for his guru or practitioner who may have encouraged him to take on such an attitude?

Well first of all, if he managed to stay cancer-free for 17 years - 17 years!!! - that's pretty damn good!

Statistically, those who choose conventional cancer 'treatments' (sic) typically have a recurrence within, what, 5 years?

And between 5 and 10 years, their mortality rate is no better than those who did...nothing.

So already, if this guy remained cancer-free for a whopping 17 years, then WOW, that's impressive!

I'd consider that a success, not a failure.

Now, as far as why the cancer returned, it's impossible for any of us to say, not knowing all the details, and even if we did know all the details, we still couldn't.

Cancer is a very complex issue, with many contributing factors.

I agree with both Diana and Pickle...maybe he didn't resolve the root issue...maybe he had underlying anger issues that were never resolved.

Or, maybe he did resolve them, but later fell into the trap of new issues! Like, maybe he was angry at his first wife, forgave her, then later his 2nd wife cheated on him and he fell back into the same anger pattern. Who knows?

It's not just about diet and exercise!

Furthermore, just how 'healthy' was his diet anyway? It's amazing how some people claim to have a 'healthy' diet just because they eat lots of chicken instead of beef!

Where did he live? Maybe he was exposed to environmental toxins. It's been proven that there are increased incidences of cancer in certain areas due to chemical spills and stuff like that.

Did he buy all organic? What kind of pesticides were used on the produce he consumed? What kind of water did he drink? Water alone can make a person acidic, and cancer thrives in an acidic environment.

Maybe he just seemed to have a healthy lifestyle, but was a closet methhead or junkie. Who knows?

Maybe he was nice on the surface but in private was a rageaholic. Or maybe he had suffered an extreme trauma in the last few years which never got healed, and the cancer came back in the area he was weak in.

Or maybe he even got cocky about having defeated cancer, and it came back as catalyst to get him to have more compassion on those still struggling with it. Who knows?

There could be any number of explanations. There is no magic cure for cancer and it's impossible to analyze it even with full knowledge, much less so with nearly zero knowledge.

I've met women who healed themselves from advanced stage breast cancer by going raw vegan and doing lots of juicing and sprouting.

I also knew a woman who did all the 'right' things - juicing, wheatgrass, etc. - but even on her deathbed still had a lot of unresolved anger towards her husband, as well as unresolved grief at having lost a baby (who, incidentally, died while suckling the very same breast that later got the cancer). Clearly, in that case, all the wheatgrass juice in the world wasn't going to help her. She never got to the root issue.

Her 'guru' (a Christian pastor who happens to have been the same person who told me to drink distilled water forever) meant well but was very controlling. She took it upon herself to dictate what the poor woman was to do. I watched all this in horror. It seemed not much better than a mainstream doctor insisting that she do chemo!

Why? Because the sick woman wasn't given much opportunity to find her own strength. She was just tossed around from the doctor to the pastor. The pastor even said one time that there was "a lot riding on getting this woman healed" which I found nauseating - she and the other pastor had big plans of announcing that all their prayer had 'worked'. It would have been a feather in their caps, for sure.

After the woman died, the pastor preached at her funeral that the Christians had 'failed' to heal her. Apparently they hadn't prayed hard enough!

Sadly, this woman has become a statistic of "vegan diet and juicing failed."

So you just never know what's going on behind the scenes. To assume that this man's 'healthy' diet and lifestyle failed him, is to oversimplify. His diet might not have been so healthy, and/or there might have been many other factors we don't know about.

[Tenet Nosce]

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Right! I agree with what you said, but I think it was a bit off point.

So you just never know what's going on behind the scenes. To assume that this man's 'healthy' diet and lifestyle failed him, is to oversimplify. His diet might not have been so healthy, and/or there might have been many other factors we don't know about.

I didn't mean that diet and exercise failed- I meant that it wasn't enough. True, I don't actually know the particular details of this man's story. I was just using it as an example of a case where somebody ate right, exercised, and still got cancer. Again.

The broader context of sharing the story was in the discussion of the potential for harm which comes out of taking an oversimplistic approach to health, and the potential for incurred karma on the part of those who self-righteously steer others down the wrong path where their health is concerned.

But no, I am not so much willing to accept recurrence of colon cancer in a 40-ish year old man to be a "success". I see it as a failure of several systems. First and foremost, a failure of the conventional health care system. But also of the systems of yoga which tend to promote this attitude that all we need to do is keep "purifying" the body and it will stay young and healthy. It is irresponsible, all around.

Even more so to the degree that certain (not all) forms of yoga appear to be Trojan horses for Jainism. At least with an MD you know what you are getting.

[BrownEye]

There could be any number of explanations. There is no magic cure for cancer and it's impossible to analyze it even with full knowledge, much less so with nearly zero knowledge.

Found this in my travels some time ago. Quoted it to a friend I was helping with comprehension. For some reason it does not come up in a search and I can't get the rest of the text or the link. It caught my eye since it matched the point of awareness that I had reached about the amount of control we actually have over the machine that we call our body. Self awareness or conscious awareness of the body itself, your connection to "it", and what you can do with it. While you have large control (if soul allows) of gene switching, we are still forced to build/rebuild the body with correct parts.


Certain of the children who had full blown AIDS and have been found to be free of the disease are Shift children who don’t want anything to do with the AIDS journey. They came into this plane of consciousness to check out the journey and then get right out of here. So they programmed this journey to get AIDS, but then they found that they liked it here. They thought, “Wow, this is really great.” So they clicked off the gene. In Signature Cell Healing, you learn about clicking genes on and off, and other such things. These are things a Shift child can do. Some of these children are clicking off the AIDS gene completely and some are clicking it off just enough to give you something to work with. Their journey is mind-boggling. They will teach you how to turn off cancer genes, AIDS

[Monica]

I never said that diet and exercise failed- I said that it wasn't enough.

Well that's the same thing I said, essentially.

True, I don't actually know the particular details of this man's story. I was just using it as an example of a case where somebody ate right, exercised, and still got cancer.

I agree with the greater point that there are other factors at play.

My additional point is that we really don't know whether he 'ate right' and in fact can't even agree on what 'eating right' even is!

The broader context of sharing the story was in the discussion of the potential for harm which comes out of taking an oversimplistic approach to health, and the potential for incurred karma on the part of those who self-righteously steer others down the wrong path where their health is concerned.

I agree on that point.

The flip side of that is that sometimes practitioners can make it all too complicated.

But no, I am not so much willing to accept recurrence of colon cancer in a 40-ish year old man to be a "success".

I was speaking in relative terms, compared to conventional expectations of mainstream medicine.

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Hey check this out!

Self-sufficiency in the city

[Diana]

Only he is responsible for his health. Whatever a guru or practitioner says, he is the one who makes the decisions about his health, and that must require his participation, not his blind following of said advice.

What if the guru/practitioner used misinformation, coercion, or manipulative sales tactics in order to "convert" this person to their distorted views? No karma incurred there? Clear conscience for those folks? Any negative effect on polarization, do you think?

A guru/practitioner may very well incur karma from manipulation and coercion. The person who is sick, and seeking information, must still decide what to do with that information. There are 2 sides to an equation: allopathic doctors giving out medications pushed by the pharmaceutical companies, and, the people who take the medications without questioning them or the doctor. Health gurus selling their books, supplements, and programs, and, the people who blindly follow without researching and educating themselves on the validity and efficacy of the product.

There are no victims in the equation.

[_X7]

The struggle for human-energizing has always been the largest effect of all visible effects in the occupied world.

Isn't it one of our largest catalysts by design? I guess that means it is also one of our biggest choices.

The plain old fashioned 60 hz (or cycles per second) bears evidence of Tesla's origination of that frequency choice.

This is what we are taught, not necessarily the truth. 60hz was chosen after Tesla was long gone, not because it was his chosen frequency, and quite a higher frequency than what he normally had in use. Other countries still run on 50hz with no background on the origin or reason as to the why. History is so convoluted as a way to keep us in the dark.

If you provide direct references or key words, that could help understanding the assertions you suggest. In searching frequency history, these engineering people have much to say regarding grid-frequency-history:http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=159635

Indeed, frequencies varied more than my expectation, but not due to health effects.

For health, we might look to Followers of Royal Rife, who might possibly be the leading legend concerning healthy frequencies. There is little there which proves conclusive or adamant. Perhaps it is balanced or neutral, on google, so far.

Besides, power-grids have a new frequency components, in the form of dirty power and other frequencies, on top of the baseline. Todays electronic devices, whether battery or grid powered, output far more questionable and also somewhat proven EMF harms. The frequencies involved vary. Exposures can be addressed by prudent people, who bother to study the subjects. I certainly would agree that authoritarian-medicine is failing in so many regards such as new health risks.

[Tenet Nosce]

Interesting tidbit... doing some personal research I just came across the source of this famous quote. I didn't know before that it is said to have originated with Imhotep... whom I understand to be a contactee of Ra during the latter component of the pyramid building phase 8500 - 4500 years ago, when they openly walked with humanity. I base this conjecture on the following quote:

Questioner: Then at this time you did not contact them. Can you answer the same question that I just asked with respect to your next attempt to contact the Egyptians?

Ra: I am Ra. The next attempt was prolonged. It occurred over a period of time. The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.

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The first, the Great Pyramid, was formed approximately 6,000 of your years ago. Then, in sequence, after this performing by thought of the building or architecture of the Great Pyramid using the more, shall we say, local or earthly material rather than thought-form material to build other pyramidal structures. This continued for approximately 1,500 of your years.

Now... here is a little blurb on Imhotep:
http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Imhotep

Imhotep (sometimes spelled Ȧmhotep or Ii-em-Hotep, Egyptian ii-m-ḥtp) is the first architect and physician known by name to written history. He is also considered to be the world's first known genius. As the Pharaoh Djosèr's Vizier, he designed the Pyramid of Djzosèr at Saqqara in Egypt around 2630-2611 BC, during the 3rd Dynasty.

Imhotep also served as chancellor to the pharaoh and high priest of the sun god Ra at Heliopolis. He was said to be a son of Ptah. He was revered as a genius and was showered with titles. His full list is 'Chancellor of the King of Lower Egypt, First after the King of Upper Egypt, Administrator of the Great Palace, Hereditary nobleman, High Priest of Heliopolis, Builder, Sculptor and Maker of Vases in Chief'. Imhotep is credited as the founder of Egyptian medicine, and as author of the Edwin Smith Papyrus, detailing cures, ailments and anatomical observations. The Papyrus Edwin Smith was probably written around 1700 BC but may perhaps go back to texts written around 1000 years earlier.

Two thousand years after his death, his status was raised to that of a god. Imhotep became the god of medicine and healing. He was linked to Asclepius by the Greeks. In artwork he is linked with other gods (a common practice in Ancient Egypt) such as Hathor, Maàt, and Amenhotep son of Hapu (another deified architect).

Now here is the quote:

Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we shall die.

Just a little something that I thought was an interesting tidbit to gnaw on!

[Monica]

Crow and Dog playing ball

Crow loves my Dog

Dog tending Chick

Smart Cow

Another Smart Cow

And yet another Smart Cow

Oh gosh I keep finding MORE Smart Cows!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eb7vsurZ...re=related

Calf and Dog Best Friends

Amazing Pig plays fetch, basketball, puts away his toys and other tricks

Some would say this is still exploitation, but I disagree. It's education about how smart pigs are. These performing pigs have a much better life than the alternative.

Performing Pigs

[Whitefeather]

ok well they went straight to showing pictures of stuff i dun wanna see. Monica you shoulda warned me. i'm really sensitive to that. even hearing about stuff like that can make me depressed for weeks. all animals are my friends, it's like seeing your best friend in such conditions. but worse cuz it's animals. but i hope it works.

I agree with Oceania. I was going through the thread and Monica, you said it was 'amazing' and 'wow' so I clicked on the link. Huuu! It is a video only for insensitive people. I know that some people may think that it is a good thing to getting used to be insensitive but I disagree with that ... Don't watch if you are like me. I am very shocked and upset by the pictures in this and now, I am depressed too. I know what is happening in the meat industry but watching it again is a totally different experience than being aware of it.

[Monica]

I agree with Oceania. I was going through the thread and Monica, you said it was 'amazing' and 'wow' so I clicked on the link. Huuu! It is a video only for insensitive people. I know that some people may think that it is a good thing to getting used to be insensitive but I disagree with that ... Don't watch if you are like me. I am very shocked and upset by the pictures in this and now, I am depressed too. I know what is happening in the meat industry but watching it again is a totally different experience than being aware of it.

I'm stunned, actually. I'm very, very, verrrrrrrrry sensitive to slaughterhouse video footage, to the point of feeling nauseous and depressed, and having horrible nightmares afterwards. But I have, at times, forced myself to watch the worst of the videos, because I wanted to know just how bad it was, so that I could try to do something about it.

It's a testament to just how horrible slaughterhouses are, if you found that video harsh. It was extremely tame in comparison to what I've seen. The footage I've seen, is the stuff of nightmares.

And it goes on every day, for billions of animals, many who are as smart as our dogs. For them, the nightmare never ends.

The photos of animal suffering were not what I was referring to when I said the video was amazing. Photos of animal suffering can never be amazing!

What was amazing about that video was the results the campaign got. People who were unfazed by photos of animal cruelty, were going vegetarian after being shown that baby pigs are just as cute as puppies, and chicks just as cute as kittens.

What was amazing was the brilliance of whoever came up with that idea, of appealing to people's natural love for cute furry animals, instead of hoping to stir compassion in them by showing them graphic images of violence to animals.

The graphic images didn't work very well. The cutesy images of piglets did work.

What matters is that it worked. THAT is what I found amazing. And I feel so strongly of the importance of this campaign, that I was able to put the 27 seconds of graphic images aside. They were so very mild, anyway, compared to what I've seen.

In courtrooms, images of the victims are shown to the jurors. For a reason. They must face the reality of the crime, in order to reach a fair verdict.

I was certainly not suggesting that anyone become insensitive to graphic images of violence to animals! On the contrary; animal activists hope that seeing such images will help open people's hearts and help them become more sensitive, and hopefully quit contributing to such atrocities.

I've actually refrained from posting any truly graphic videos of slaughterhouse cruelty. There are plenty of far worse footage that I could have posted, but didn't. This one was so very very mild in comparison, that I truly didn't expect that it would disturb anyone. And, I contend that its redeeming value far outweighs its disturbing qualities. We cannot escape the disturbing aspects of the meat industry. Well, on second thought, people can and do escape it all the time. But this particular campaign isn't seeking to gloss over it. (Atrocities should never be glossed over.) They're just going about it in a much milder, less in-your-face way.

And it's working. I'm very excited about the fact that it's working.

Note: I added a disclaimer to my original post.

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Vegetarians Have Less Risk for Diverticulitis

[Monica]

Where's the beef? Not in Bill Clinton's diet.

The former president, known for his love of burgers, barbecue and junk food, has gone from a meat lover to a vegan, the strictest form of a vegetarian diet. He says he eats fruits, vegetables and beans, but no red meat, chicken or dairy.
Clinton, 65, who had quadruple bypass surgery in 2004 and then stent surgery in 2010, is following this eating plan to improve his heart health.
He talked about his plant-based diet last year, saying he lost 24 pounds on it for his daughter Chelsea's wedding, and he chatted about it again recently on TV, drawing national attention to the potential health benefits of this type of diet...

...Clinton says he was inspired to follow a low-fat, plant-based diet by several doctors, including Dean Ornish, author of Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease. Ornish has been working with Clinton as one of his consulting physicians since 1993.
After Clinton's angioplasty and stents in 2010, Ornish says he contacted the former president "and I indicated that the moderate diet and lifestyle changes he'd made didn't go far enough to prevent his heart disease from progressing, but our research proved that more intensive changes could actually reverse it," he says.
"Heart disease is a food-borne illness," says Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr., author of Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease. He's in a documentary about the benefits of a plant-based diet, Forks Over Knives, out next week on DVD. He advocates going "cold turkey from the typical fatty, meat-laden, dairy-rich Western diet" to this kind of plan.

[Diana]

It is becoming evident, even to the mainstream, that animals are intelligent. Pigs are extremely intelligent, for instance. And it's apparent that animals have feelings--emotional feelings.

I will preface by saying that all life is equal and equally sacred. Given that it's evident plants cannot have the fear level of animals--and if anyone would like me to summarize why I would be happy to--and that it is not necessary to take animal life, then why would a person want to?

There are many great points in this thread about ecosystems, sustainable farming, health, and much more.

But why would any person want to eat meat if they did not need to? Some peoples on the planet may be forced to eat animals. But what if you are not forced?

I am not trying to convert anyone, just trying to understand .

[BrownEye]

My wife is 36 years old and has always known pigs to be as intelligent as dogs.

Pigs are known for eating almost anything. I bet we get that ability from our pig dna ha ha.

[BrownEye]

More than 50 years ago, scientists painted the skin of mice with extracts from heated animal muscle and found that the extracts were carcinogenic, but the research went no further.
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Of the list of toxic substances known to be produced during cooking, the most important may well be the AIAs. Also referred to as heterocyclic amines, these compounds are potent mutagens produced at normal cooking temperatures in beef, chicken, pork, and fish when fried, broiled, or grilled over an open flame. The pan residues that remain after frying also have high mutagenic activity, indicating that meat gravies can be a source of exposure. Our research suggests that smoke from cooking muscle meats is mutagenic as well, but any such air exposure is likely to be far less than that from eating the cooked food. Other foods, such as cheese, tofu, and meats derived from organs other than animal muscle, have very low or undetectable levels of AIA mutagens after they are cooked.

https://www.llnl.gov/str/FoodSection1.html

[Zachary]

I am still not sure how I feel on the subject. I am kind of in the middle of experiencing the two polar opposites as far as diet goes...im expecting to find balance soon.

I was a vegetarian for about 4 months straight. I felt lighter physically and spiritually but also had a lower energy level as well as a lower sex drive.

^lesson learned: If your going to be a vegetarian DO IT RIGHT or eat meat...because doing it wrong is just not worth it...If I am going to become one again I will make sure I can consistently pull off eating the right foods.

Right now I am living in Costa Rica with a family here. I have very little money to spend so I pay them ten bucks a week for meals. They mostly eat

rice and beans in the morning

rice and beans with meat for lunch (maybe some fruit and veggies)

rice and beans with meat at night.

Talk about a dead diet right? not digging it too much but what I am digging is all the muscle I've put back on since eating meat. I have a way better energy level now. But I feel heavy and my thoughts seem more prone to becoming violent (in certain situations) now that I am eating all this meat again.

So right now since I dont see myself being able to pull off a proper vegetarian diet in the future...I will strive (for now) to eat maybe 80% veggies 20% meat (possibly 70/30). My meat source would, ideally, only be fish...I might do chicken as well. I think a good mindset is: if you can't kill the animal yourself...don't eat it. I would NOT want to kill a chicken. I dont even like killing fish but I will if necessary because I recognize the need to love my body.

[Monica]

I was a vegetarian for about 4 months straight. I felt lighter physically and spiritually but also had a lower energy level as well as a lower sex drive.

My husband hasn't had any issues with that.

And his energy is better since he quit meat altogether. But granted, he does juicing and bluegreen algae!

^lesson learned: If your going to be a vegetarian DO IT RIGHT or eat meat...because doing it wrong is just not worth it...If I am going to become one again I will make sure I can consistently pull off eating the right foods.

That sounds like good advice!

Talk about a dead diet right? not digging it too much but what I am digging is all the muscle I've put back on since eating meat.

There's no question that meat can put on muscle.

But hey, check this out! I think you will find this very intersting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbEUHCU_GtM

This guy lives on a shoestring, and manages to do it. And check out those muscles!

I have a way better energy level now. But I feel heavy and my thoughts seem more prone to becoming violent (in certain situations) now that I am eating all this meat again.

Interesting...

So right now since I dont see myself being able to pull off a proper vegetarian diet in the future...I will strive (for now) to eat maybe 80% veggies 20% meat (possibly 70/30). My meat source would, ideally, only be fish...I might do chicken as well.

I've heard of a lot of people moving to Costa Rica because of the abundance or cheap, fresh fruits and veggies. Maybe there is a way to use some of that food budget to include more fresh produce...?

I think a good mindset is: if you can't kill the animal yourself...don't eat it.

That sounds like a great principle to live by! Thanks for sharing!

[Tenet Nosce]

From the Aaron/Q'uo Dialogues, on the topic of food in fourth density:

Aaron: I want to speak to this term "harvest" and what it means. This is a word that is often used. Perhaps you flinch at the term and your energy quails because the word implies force to you, in that someone goes out into a field and harvests the grain and fruit to take it for its own, as if the grain or fruit were being used or manipulated. Think of the small energy than moved into that stalk of wheat and into that apple or bean. When energy moves into that which is used on this plane as food for others, its greatest will, at whatever level it is conscious, is to learn how to offer its energy to others in becoming part of the greatness that is universal consciousness. When you pick and apple from a tree and express gratitude for the nourishment and sweetness of that fruit, it honors the apple's greatest joy, which is to serve. Its free will is not being violated by being plucked to be eaten. If it did not want to be eaten it would have invented blemishes of one sort or another that would make it unappealing. The richer it appears and the more vibrant its energy fiels, the more it wishes to offer itself and to make itself attractive.

Just so, the evolving human that has become ready to move beyond this density becomes vibrant in its desire to be a tool of the Divine. It becomes radiant in its selflessness. Its greatest wish is to be of service and, as my brother/sister Q'uo just said, to allow its will to be offered to the greater will of teh Infinite, as in saying, "Not my will, but thine be done; not for my glory, but for thine. It only comes through me. I am simply a channel."

Think you of this. Barbara, here, is a channel. She channels this energy that you have come to know as Aaron. Do you not think that I am also a channel? What I offer you does not originate with me. I offer you divine wisdom and tell you nothing that you do no t already know in the depths of your own divine wisdom. I am a channel. I am empty. When you come to what Q'uo has referred to as the harvest, it is not that your being is snatched up with no accord to your own will, but that the greatest gift that you can offer is to allow your energy and light to evolve to the point that you are ready to move beyond the limits that you have previously believed. From thence you may be harvested into the next step of your evolution.

It may help you to think of it with this image. WIthin each being is an intense light, unlimited in its power. Around each being are many layers of shielding, like and onion. Place that intense light in the center of the onion With each giving up of fear and with each bit of clarity of the truth of that inner light, layers of the so-called onion fall away. You become translucent. At a certain point you emit so much light that you are ready for the so-called harvest. You are ready to move into another plane where further layers may fall away. With higher densities, more and more layers of shielding and separation fall away until finally that brilliant and intense inner core is exposed and offered into the service of the Infinite, of God.

What is this harvest about on the earth plane? I spoke yesterday of the move of Earth from third to fourth density. In fourth density you are part of an energy group. You are not forced into that and not fixed in your placement, but desirous of that deepening contact. In a sense, the connection between you this weekend is rehearsal for fourth density. When you let your barriers down and allow yourself to be both more telepathic with each other and very open in your energy fields, with thinned shielding, you are practicing for fourth-density experience. The illusions of separation will fall away.

Fourth-density Earth may appear not much different in some outward aspects. There will be seas and mountains and forests. Yet, there will be a new understanding of the deepest interconnection of all that is, both upon the Earth and outward from the Earth. You will be co-creators with the soil in the creation of your crops. If you choose to eat solid food rather than to dwell simply on the light and energy, that which you eat will be thanked graciously. And as Q'uo thanked you for the opportunity you give him to serve, your food will thank you for its opportunity to serve by nourishing your body. You will understand your codependence on others in a positive sense. You will not be ashamed of that which arises in you. Since there will be no shame over the arisings of the emotional body nor any need to fling those emotions on others, you will deeply share your joys and sorrows, much as fourth-density energy does not.

Fourth-density energy now is fully telepathic within its group. The learning of compassion is so profound because you fully experience the unshielded emotions of another, as its pains, its sorrows, and its joys. You no longer are limited to learning from your own experience but become able to learn from everyone's experience. And because you no longer guard your own experience out of shame, you offer it to others for a source for their learning. This is what Earth is in the process of becoming.

People as me, "Is this really going to happen? What about the arising negativity I see on the earth plane?" My dear ones, if you fear and hate that negativity, you simply add to to it and it will become the source of your own stagnation. This process is much in the ways a child learns lessons in school and asks, "Am I ready to go on?" If he or she does not study for an examination and does not pass the test, he may not go on. The focus is not on progression but on understanding. The work must be reviewed until it is understood. There is no time pressure. If you continue to return fear to fear and hatred to hatred, you have not understood and the work will be repeated until it is understood. The Earth will continue to offer you catalyst. When enough of you understand the lessons and can return kindness and love to fear by allowing fear to become a catalyst for compassion rather than hate, then you will be ready to shed the illusion and move into fourth density.

Many of you will continue on to fourth-density Earth. Others will move back to nonmaterial planes from which you came and find whatever other ways you may choose to serve and to learn. The radiant fruit that you have become will find its next place in the universe, which is the next place to serve, to grow, and to love, I would like here to pass the microphone back to Q'uo. That is all.

[Monica]

Thanks for sharing this quote, Tenet!

Hey here it is again, about Earth becoming 4D:

I spoke yesterday of the move of Earth from third to fourth density.

[Diana]

Talk about a dead diet right? not digging it too much but what I am digging is all the muscle I've put back on since eating meat. I have a way better energy level now. But I feel heavy and my thoughts seem more prone to becoming violent (in certain situations) now that I am eating all this meat again.

I mentioned this previously, but I have a friend who used to be a professional wrestler (WWF). He is a raw-fooder for many years. I was at the gym with him when everybody stopped to watch him bench press 300 pounds (I think that was the weight).

So it's not impossible to build muscle on a vegetarian diet. It may be due to individual requirements that we are different, but it also may be due to belief systems. If we believe that meat puts on muscle, then the body will follow. If we believe vegetarians are skinny and pale (I have heard this said--or something similar countless times) then the body will follow. Also, as you indicate, the meat comes with a vibration. There is a lot to consider.

And I remember the rice and beans, rice and beans, in Costa Rica, which I was grateful for being vegetarian. Beautiful country. I might suggest that you find a local farm, or just someone with a backyard coop, where you can get fresh eggs from free range chickens. There is a friend who lives near me who has just a few chickens that produce a lot of eggs. Eggs are a great, potent source of protein. The other suggestion is, you could pot some plants such as tomatoes and just grow them yourself to get some live food in your diet .

[Tenet Nosce]

And I remember the rice and beans, rice and beans, in Costa Rica, which I was grateful for being vegetarian. Beautiful country.

If you ever get back to Costa Rica, there is a biodynamic farm- Finca Luna Nueva- that you would probably love!

[Tenet Nosce]

Just came across this interesting quote from Session 17. It seems like a lot of disagreements over the material trace back to this particular session in one way or another.

Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

This sounds to me exactly like the notion of taking on extreme ascetic practices in order to gain supernatural powers. This also gets back to some of that stuff in the Essene depictions of Jesus' words. I liked some parts, but as a whole, the document was riddled with behavior restrictions and "Thou shalt nots..."