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    Ruth (Offline)

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    12-13-2011, 06:20 PM
    Bring4th_Aaron

    Thank you for being a most excellent message bearer. You are loved and appreciated!

    Confused - thank you for being steadfast and for not being confused.

    Light and love!

    Ruth
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    12-14-2011, 05:10 PM
    (12-12-2011, 10:06 AM)Confused Wrote:
    (12-12-2011, 09:44 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Dear Confused,

    I have a question to deliver to you from our dear friends Oceania and Meerie, coming from all the way on the other side of the world in the Treehouse! :p

    Oceania asks: Einstein says movement creates time. did he mean vibration?

    TIME may be a form of the One Infinite Creator itself. If the ONE is the highest vibration of will and love that we know, then I think any movement in it creates the illusion of time and space, for the purpose of projection of itself into infinite units of consciousness. It is all the play of the ONE, which I do not understand. I can only bow and seek its blessings to help me go back home safely, i.e., into the bosom of the ONE.

    According to Einstein, the faster you travel, the slower time moves forward. It doesn't actually create time, because time is relative and there is no fixed position for time.

    String theory has more to do with vibration. The tiniest units would be vibrating "strings" vibrating at different rates somewhat like a musical note.
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    12-15-2011, 09:38 AM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2011, 09:54 AM by Confused.)


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    12-15-2011, 10:14 AM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2011, 10:15 AM by Namaste.)
    (12-12-2011, 09:44 AM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Dear Confused,

    I have a question to deliver to you from our dear friends Oceania and Meerie, coming from all the way on the other side of the world in the Treehouse! :p

    Oceania asks: Einstein says movement creates time. did he mean vibration?

    Not that this was directed at me, but I have a perspective to offer on this.

    Vibration is within all, it's the animator of manifest reality, and all that above and below it. So in essence, yes.

    But, that leaves out a step or two :¬)

    One needs to frame time in the right context. It's not some linear thing that we ride. It's drawn through us.

    It is time that allows us to make a journey from A to B. Hence, when one intends to move, time is then created and drawn through your being.

    When you drive down a road, you're not moving towards the destination. You are fixed in your position. The manifest world - the destination - is drawn to you, and the medium of that; time.

    We each create the illusion of time through our experience. We draw it through us as we move. Hence, time and space are intrinsically linked in this density.
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    12-16-2011, 09:40 AM
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    The Master gives himself up
    to whatever the moment brings.
    He knows that he is going to die,
    and her has nothing left to hold on to:
    no illusions in his mind,
    no resistances in his body.
    He doesn’t think about his actions;
    they flow from the core of his being.
    He holds nothing back from life;
    therefore he is ready for death,
    as a man is ready for sleep
    after a good day’s work.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    12-17-2011, 04:10 AM
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    Every being in the universe
    is an expression of the Tao.
    It springs into existence,
    unconscious, perfect, free,
    takes on a physical body,
    lets circumstances complete it.
    That is why every being
    spontaneously honors the Tao.
    The Tao gives birth to all beings,
    nourishes them, maintains them,
    cares for them, comforts them, protects them,
    takes them back to itself,
    creating without possessing,
    acting without expecting,
    guiding without interfering.
    That is why love of the Tao
    is in the very nature of things.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    12-20-2011, 12:01 AM
    (12-15-2011, 10:14 AM)Namaste Wrote: We each create the illusion of time through our experience. We draw it through us as we move. Hence, time and space are intrinsically linked in this density.
    We create the illusion of space through our experience also. Time and space are intrinsically linked in all densities of the octave, because time and space are the same thing.

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    12-20-2011, 11:38 AM
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    In the beginning was the Tao.
    All things issue from it;
    all things return to it.
    To find the origin,
    trace back the manifestations.
    When you recognize the children
    and find the mother,
    you will be free of sorrow.
    If you close your mind in judgements
    and traffic with desires,
    your heart will be troubled.
    If you keep your mind from judging
    and aren’t led by the senses,
    your heart will find peace.
    Seeing into darkness is clarity.
    Knowing how to yield is strength.
    Use your own light
    and return to the source of light.
    This is called practicing eternity.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-22-2011, 09:42 AM
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    The great Way is easy,
    yet people prefer the side paths.
    Be aware when things are out of balance.
    Stay centered within the Tao.
    When rich speculators prosper
    While farmers lose their land;
    when government officials spend money
    on weapons instead of cures;
    when the upper class is extravagant and irresponsible
    while the poor have nowhere to turnall
    this is robbery and chaos.
    It is not in keeping with the Tao.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-22-2011, 07:54 PM
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    Whoever is planted in the Tao
    will not be rooted up.
    Whoever embraces the Tao
    will not slip away.
    Her name will be held in honor
    from generation to generation.
    Let the Tao be present in your life
    and you will become genuine.
    Let it be present in your family
    and your family will flourish.
    Let it be present in your country
    and your country will be an example
    to all countries in the world.
    Let it be present in the universe
    and the universe will sing.
    How do I know this is true?
    By looking inside myself.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-23-2011, 07:31 PM
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    He who is in harmony with the Tao
    is like a newborn child.
    Its bones are soft, its muscles are weak,
    but its grip is powerful.
    It doesn’t know about the union
    of male and female,
    yet its penis can stand erect,
    so intense is its vital power.
    It can scream its head off all day,
    yet it never becomes hoarse,
    so complete is its harmony.
    The Master’s power is like this.
    He lets all things come and go
    effortlessly, without desire.
    He never expects results;
    thus he is never disappointed.
    He is never disappointed;
    thus his spirit never grows old.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-24-2011, 11:34 PM
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    Those who know don’t talk.
    Those who talk don’t know.
    Close your mouth,
    block off your senses,
    blunt your sharpness,
    untie your knots,
    soften your glare,
    settle your dust.
    This is the primal identity.
    Be like the Tao.
    It can’t be approached or withdrawn from,
    benefited or harmed,
    honored or brought into disgrace.
    It gives itself up continually.
    That is why it endures.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-26-2011, 11:44 AM
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    If you want to be a great leader,
    you must learn to follow the Tao.
    Stop trying to control.
    Let go of fixed plans and concepts,
    and the world will govern itself.
    The more prohibitions you have,
    the less virtuous people will be.
    The more weapons you have,
    the less secure people will be.
    The more subsidies you have,
    the less self-reliant people will be.
    Therefore the Master says:
    I let go of the law,
    and people become honest.
    I let go of economics,
    and people become prosperous.
    I let go of religion,
    and people become serene.
    I let go of all desire for the common good,
    and the good becomes common as grass.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    If a country is governed with tolerance,
    the people are comfortable and honest.
    If a country is governed with repression,
    the people are depressed and crafty.
    When the will to power is in charge,
    the higher the ideals, the lower the results.
    Try to make people happy,
    and you lay the groundwork for misery.
    Try to make people moral,
    and you lay the groundwork for vice.
    Thus the Master is content
    to serve as an example
    and not to impose her will.
    She is pointed, but doesn’t pierce.
    Straightforward, but supple.
    Radiant, but easy on the eyes.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-27-2011, 03:26 PM
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    For governing a country well
    there is nothing better than moderation.
    The mark of a moderate man
    is freedom from his own ideas.
    Tolerant like the sky,
    all-pervading like sunlight,
    firm like a mountain,
    supple like a tree in the wind,
    he has no destination in view
    and makes use of anything
    life happens to bring his way.
    Nothing is impossible for him.
    Because he has let go,
    he can care for the people’s welfare
    as a mother cares for her child.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-29-2011, 12:19 AM
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    Governing a large country
    is like frying a small fish.
    You spoil it with too much poking.
    Center your country in the Tao
    and evil will have no power.
    Not that it isn’t there,
    but you’ll be able to step out of its way.
    Give evil nothing to oppose
    and it will disappear by itself.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    12-31-2011, 12:04 AM
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    When a country obtains great power,
    it becomes like the sea:
    all streams run downward into it.
    The more powerful it grows,
    the greater the need for humility.
    Humility means trusting the Tao,
    thus never needing to be defensive.
    A great nation is like a great man:
    When he makes a mistake, he realizes it.
    Having realized it, he admits it.
    Having admitted it, he corrects it.
    He considers those who point out his faults
    as his most benevolent teachers.
    He thinks of his enemy
    as the shadow that he himself casts.
    If a nation is centered in the Tao,
    if it nourishes its own people
    and doesn’t meddle in the affairs of others,
    it will be a light to all nations in the world.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    01-01-2012, 01:41 AM
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    The Tao is the center of the universe,
    the good man’s treasure,
    the bad man’s refuge.
    Honors can be bought with fine words,
    respect can be won with good deeds;
    but the Tao is beyond all value,
    and no one can achieve it.
    Thus, when a new leader is chosen,
    don’t offer to help him
    with your wealth or your expertise.
    Offer instead
    to teach him about the Tao.
    Why did the ancient Masters esteem the Tao?
    Because, being one with the Tao,
    when you seek, you find;
    and when you make a mistake, you are forgiven.
    That is why everybody loves it.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf

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    01-04-2012, 09:34 AM
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    Act without doing;
    work without effort.
    Think of the small as large
    and the few as many.
    Confront the difficult
    while it is still easy;
    accomplish the great task
    by a series of small acts.
    The Master never reaches for the great;
    thus she achieves greatness.
    When she runs into a difficulty,
    she stops and gives herself to it.
    She doesn’t cling to her own comfort;
    thus problems are no problem for her.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-04-2012, 04:49 PM
    This one rings true for me Confused. Thank you for posting.
    Here at work I've become involved in a somewhat large and challenging project,
    so these words of wisdom are always welcome.
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    01-05-2012, 10:38 AM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2012, 10:41 AM by Confused.)
    Much love to you, Gemini! Heart
    64
    What is rooted is easy to nourish.
    What is recent is easy to correct.
    What is brittle is easy to break.
    What is small is easy to scatter.
    Prevent trouble before it arises.
    Put things in order before they exist.
    The giant pine tree
    grows from a tiny sprout.
    The journey of a thousand miles
    starts from beneath your feet.
    Rushing into action, you fail.
    Trying to grasp things, you lose them.
    Forcing a project to completion,
    you ruin what was almost ripe.
    Therefore the Master takes action
    by letting things take their course.
    He remains as calm
    at the end as at the beginning.
    He has nothing,
    thus has nothing to lose.
    What he desires is non-desire;
    what he learns is to unlearn.
    He simply reminds people
    of who they have always been.
    He cares about nothing but the Tao.
    Thus he can care for all things.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-05-2012, 05:57 PM
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    The ancient Masters
    didn’t try to educate the people,
    but kindly taught them to not-know.
    When they think that they know the answers,
    people are difficult to guide.
    When they know that they don’t know,
    people can find their own way.
    If you want to learn how to govern,
    avoid being clever or rich.
    The simplest pattern is the clearest.
    Content with an ordinary life,
    you can show all people the way
    back to their own true nature.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-06-2012, 07:07 PM
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    All streams flow to the sea
    because it is lower than they are.
    Humility gives it its power.
    If you want to govern the people,
    you must place yourself below them.
    If you want to lead the people,
    you must learn how to follow them.
    The Master is above the people,
    and no one feels oppressed.
    She goes ahead of the people,
    and no one feels manipulated.
    The whole world is grateful to her.
    Because she competes with no one,
    no one can compete with her.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-07-2012, 07:48 PM (This post was last modified: 01-07-2012, 07:49 PM by Confused.)
    Thank you, Ruth, for being there always!! Smile Wink
    67
    Some say that my teaching is nonsense.
    Others call it lofty but impractical.
    But to those who have looked inside themselves,
    this nonsense makes perfect sense.
    And to those who put it into practice,
    this loftiness has roots that go deep.
    I have just three things to teach:
    simplicity, patience, compassion.
    These three are your greatest treasures.
    Simple in actions and in thoughts,
    you return to the source of being.
    Patient with both friends and enemies,
    you accord with the way things are.
    Compassionate toward yourself,
    you reconcile all beings in the world.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    The best athlete
    wants his opponent at his best.
    The best general
    enters the mind of his enemy.
    The best businessman
    serves the communal good.
    The best leader
    follows the will of the people.
    All of the embody
    the virtue of non-competition.
    Not that they don’t love to compete,
    but they do it in the spirit of play.
    In this they are like children
    and in harmony with the Tao.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-09-2012, 08:01 PM
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    The generals have a saying:
    ”Rather than make the first move
    it is better to wait and see.
    Rather than advance an inch
    it is better to retreat a yard.”
    This is called
    going forward without advancing,
    pushing back without using weapons.
    There is no greater misfortune
    than underestimating your enemy.
    Underestimating your enemy
    means thinking that he is evil.
    Thus you destroy your three treasures
    and become an enemy yourself.
    When two great forces oppose each other,
    the victory will go
    to the one that knows how to yield.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-10-2012, 09:03 PM
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    My teachings are easy to understand
    and easy to put into practice.
    Yet your intellect will never grasp them,
    and if you try to practice them, you’ll fail.
    My teachings are older than the world.
    How can you grasp their meaning?
    If you want to know me,
    look inside your heart.

    Source: http://www.ai.rug.nl/~ronald/zinvol/tao.pdf
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    01-10-2012, 10:14 PM (This post was last modified: 01-11-2012, 11:45 AM by Ruth.)
    You are welcome, Confused (Not Confused). I love you.

    It's funny to me - I can read this material elsewhere. But reading it here gives it all so much more meaning to me. Perhaps it is the love with which you share it?

    :-)

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