David Wilcock SEVERELY threatened. SEND HIM YOUR PRAYERS

[yossarian]

For me personally, when I read what you're saying, it just triggers the old "deny the flesh, it's evil" programming that has been used for thousands of years to shame and control humans.

Sure, you don't say it's evil, you just say it blocks spiritual awareness. But that's functionally the same because no one wants to be without spiritual awareness. By setting it up as "one or the other" and "front or back not both" you are creating a false dichotomy that triggers fear and shame in me at least, someone with perhaps hundreds of past lives being badgered about how flesh is sin.

How is your teaching any different from what the catholic child rapists teach?

Personally I choose to believe that I can fully experience and enjoy the flesh without losing the spirit. I choose to believe the trap is non-acceptance of creation rather than enjoying some aspect of creation. The illusion was created for our benefit and enjoying it and honoring it is not the same as being trapped in it. I don't see the good that your kind of duslistic puritanism has done for those who follow it. Not the Catholics, not the Hindus, not the Muslims, certainly not the Christian fascist movements in America. Most of the body-deniers end up worse off, not better off. There may be a few yogis who escaped through the third eye into a different illusion but I didn't come here just to run away. I came here to transform the physical into something sacred.

[Ankh]

I came here to transform the physical into something sacred.

That was just beautiful! :idea:

Didn't Ra meant exactly that when they were saying light being impressed by love, when Don asked what difference was between love/light and light/love, and Ra answered that love/light is the power, the enabler, but the light/love is the manifestation, when light has been impressed by love? I am not sure, but what you said was beautiful.

[yossarian]

Thanks Ankh, can always count on you to make me feel warm and fuzzy :] <3

[Shin'Ar]

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

If you were given the chance to soar into the universe and experience the stars, but you had to give up your human form in order to do this, why would cling to your human form and give up the chance to enjoy higher experiences?

You speak of this spirit/flesh combination as though there is no evolution from one into the other. Do you believe that the state of being that you now experience is the highest form of being that there is to experience? if you believe that the human form you now have cannot be improved upon or evolve into a higher being, than I can understand why you believe the way that you do. To you transforming the flesh into something Sacred means enjoying it as it is without any desire to evolve or strive toward higher being. Is that how you and Ankh view the human experience?

[yossarian]

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

If you were given the chance to soar into the universe and experience the stars, but you had to give up your human form in order to do this, why would cling to your human form and give up the chance to enjoy higher experiences?

You speak of this spirit/flesh combination as though there is no evolution from one into the other. Do you believe that the state of being that you now experience is the highest form of being that there is to experience? if you believe that the human form you now have cannot be improved upon or evolve into a higher being, than I can understand why you believe the way that you do. To you transforming the flesh into something Sacred means enjoying it as it is without any desire to evolve or strive toward higher being. Is that how you and Ankh view the human experience?

That's not how I see it at all. Most of us on this forum see ourselves as Wanderers. Certainly in my case the sense of "descent" is palpable. I feel like a fallen angel, a wandering star. Wanderers are those who chose earth life after living in higher forms of life.

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

I honestly believe I would fly for awhile, and it would great, but then later there is a non-zero chance that I would grow tired of my flight and I would want to see the mountains from the point of view of a mountain troll or a billy goat.

After 10,000 incarnations as a Bald Eagle wouldn't you want to see how the meerkat views the world?

Look at human hobbies. People will re-enact the civil war for pleasure. People will play videogames where they pretend to be Middle Age peasants or stone age barbarians. People watch movies where the main character is tortured, gets lost, loses everything, whatever.

In our spare time, humans create stories and we project ourselves into them. We enter into a "lower" reality for pleasure. I play videogames where I pretend to be an Orc or some primitive person in some primitive era without technology or comforts. I get drawn into the story and to some small extent believe I'm really in it.

That is no different than human life. When I become an angel, won't I still love stories? Do angels have hobbies? Do they dress up like humans and make believe that they have no wings?

What is the purpose of creation in the first place? Aren't we already omnipotent? Why should I strive for omnipotence if I already have it?

Obviously my omnipotent, omniscient self chose to experience this reality as it is, in precisely this way, otherwise I'm not omnipotent, omniscient, and infinite.

Oh ye of little faith Do you not know that there is nothing to strive for aside from striving itself? You love to strive, that's why you chose your beliefs regarding striving. I can tell you love to strive or you, The Infinite Creator, would have never chosen to strive for enlightenment the way you do. You, The Infinite Creator, have convinced yourself that there is something to work toward. It's just a game, Lord, and you're just playing, as you type these words into the keyboard, you are just playing the game you created.

So play, keep striving, or if you've had enough striving, then stop striving. I think maybe you've had enough.

[Ankh]

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

If you would always fly like a bird, how can you know that you are in fact a bird and that you are able to fly? If you would live in a world, near the central suns, where it always would be light, and the matter would be of such a transparency, that even when walking inside a room with no windows, and closing the door, it would be as light as it is outside - in that world, how would you understand the light?

If you were given the chance to soar into the universe and experience the stars, but you had to give up your human form in order to do this, why would cling to your human form and give up the chance to enjoy higher experiences?

Harvest is now, my brother. Each experience has it's time. In this space/time we are both human. What will come when passing into the larger life, will come. We are not there yet.

You speak of this spirit/flesh combination as though there is no evolution from one into the other. Do you believe that the state of being that you now experience is the highest form of being that there is to experience?

I believe that this form can teach lessons others can not.

if you believe that the human form you now have cannot be improved upon or evolve into a higher being, than I can understand why you believe the way that you do. To you transforming the flesh into something Sacred means enjoying it as it is without any desire to evolve or strive toward higher being. Is that how you and Ankh view the human experience?

To understand the One Creator that is all, while being a human, experiencing seaming separation, veil and what other obstacles there are, is not only a challenge, but an understanding, if occured, that goes on deeper level of your beingness, in my opinion.

The paradox here perhaps is to appreciate this given moment of the now, but still striving towards the light. And we all are striving towards the Infinite One.

What particular lessons do you believe that you chose for yourself by incarnating as a human?

[Shin'Ar]

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

If you were given the chance to soar into the universe and experience the stars, but you had to give up your human form in order to do this, why would cling to your human form and give up the chance to enjoy higher experiences?

You speak of this spirit/flesh combination as though there is no evolution from one into the other. Do you believe that the state of being that you now experience is the highest form of being that there is to experience? if you believe that the human form you now have cannot be improved upon or evolve into a higher being, than I can understand why you believe the way that you do. To you transforming the flesh into something Sacred means enjoying it as it is without any desire to evolve or strive toward higher being. Is that how you and Ankh view the human experience?

That's not how I see it at all. Most of us on this forum see ourselves as Wanderers. Certainly in my case the sense of "descent" is palpable. I feel like a fallen angel, a wandering star. Wanderers are those who chose earth life after living in higher forms of life.

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

I honestly believe I would fly for awhile, and it would great, but then later there is a non-zero chance that I would grow tired of my flight and I would want to see the mountains from the point of view of a mountain troll or a billy goat.

After 10,000 incarnations as a Bald Eagle wouldn't you want to see how the meerkat views the world?

Look at human hobbies. People will re-enact the civil war for pleasure. People will play videogames where they pretend to be Middle Age peasants or stone age barbarians. People watch movies where the main character is tortured, gets lost, loses everything, whatever.

In our spare time, humans create stories and we project ourselves into them. We enter into a "lower" reality for pleasure. I play videogames where I pretend to be an Orc or some primitive person in some primitive era without technology or comforts. I get drawn into the story and to some small extent believe I'm really in it.

That is no different than human life. When I become an angel, won't I still love stories? Do angels have hobbies? Do they dress up like humans and make believe that they have no wings?

What is the purpose of creation in the first place? Aren't we already omnipotent? Why should I strive for omnipotence if I already have it?

Obviously my omnipotent, omniscient self chose to experience this reality as it is, in precisely this way, otherwise I'm not omnipotent, omniscient, and infinite.

Oh ye of little faith Do you not know that there is nothing to strive for aside from striving itself? You love to strive, that's why you chose your beliefs regarding striving. I can tell you love to strive or you, The Infinite Creator, would have never chosen to strive for enlightenment the way you do. You, The Infinite Creator, have convinced yourself that there is something to work toward. It's just a game, Lord, and you're just playing, as you type these words into the keyboard, you are just playing the game you created.

So play, keep striving, or if you've had enough striving, then stop striving. I think maybe you've had enough.

Ah Yossarian,

Now I see the factor which differentiates our thinking. Is it possible for you to imagine what amazing possibilities may be awaiting you in the vast expanse of the universe. You are thinking in terms of the universe having nothing more to offer out there than what you can experience here on earth. I cannot fathom a mind that thinks as though it would become bored of the Mystery of the Cosmos. Certainly one may choose to relive past experiences that they enjoyed, but you must be able to comprehend that the possibilities 'OUT THERE' are so vast and innumerable that one might never find the time to return to the past enjoyments, being fully engaged in amazing new discoveries.

To suggest that, in the expanses of the universe, one might become bored, is beyond my ability to comprehend. After a million incarnations as a human, bound to the flesh, I would excitedly leap at the chance to experience a reality unrestricted by the confines of the flesh. Yes, I may choose to reacquaint myself with this experience of fleshly enjoyments, but to suppose that I would become bored with a playground the size of the universe and find nothing better to do is ludicrous. Many of us return to the experience of the musclecar for the nostalgia, but there is not a chance that they would turn down the opportunity to drive a Ferrari. I think your outlook is such that you are not aware of the Ferrari that awaits you around the corner.

Returning to the incarnation of the flesh may also be a deliberate choice for the sake of returning to your fellow man to assist them in realizing that the Ferrari is around the corner, but that choice in no way means that you have become bored with the many possibilities that lay around that corner. We must fully open our imaginations to the possibilities Yosarrio.

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Ankh asked: "What particular lessons do you believe that you chose for yourself by incarnating as a human?"

We respond, "To learn the design and purpose of the human, and to fulfill that purpose by learning the human experience and growing into new experiences as we become more aware of Our divinity. As humans We aspire to fulfill our divine designs by evolving beyond our humanity. The All exists in many forms and beings. To aspire for nothing more than the human experience alone is to deny the All."

[native]

I think we all would agree with that last statement, as we expand our experience to encompass more of the sacred. It's something we're all consciously working on.

Perhaps you could expand more on what you feel is specifically required.

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Shin'Ar. I read what you wrote before I saw your name by it. I thought it was profound in its realization. I had assumed that in 4D it's not possible to get bored. I'm not much into muscle cars, but I always use anthros as my example, because to me they are amazing beings. I'd love to be a spirit guide to one of them on the other side. I'd like the experience of being a guide to those who would call out to me.

I'm sure I've been a guide in the past. We've probably all done everything, experiencing all. It keeps me motivated though knowing that even though we've probably done all we could do, when you account for the infinite timelines, there's still new stuff to do.

[Shin'Ar]

Specifically required:

The activation of the Kundalini for the purpose of transforming the flesh into its Ascended Being. This activation process takes many incarnations, but it requires more than simply becoming aware of our divine nature, it involves actually becoming divine. We are designed to become the Light.

[Namaste]

I do believe we're here to make the most of our incarnation. When one understands the true sacredness of all, 'pleasures of the flesh' can be considered a very high spiritual form of Creator union.

32.6 Questioner: What is the difference between indigo and blue ray transfer?

Ra: I am Ra. The indigo ray is the ray of, shall we say, awareness of the Creator as self; thus one whose indigo ray vibrations have been activated can offer the energy transfer of Creator to Creator. This is the beginning of the sacramental nature of what you call your bisexual reproductive act. It is unique in bearing the allness, the wholeness, the unity in its offering to other-self.

Understanding the sacredness of all is of violet ray understanding.

Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival [red ray], then in terms of personal identity [orange], then in terms of social relations [yellow], then in terms of universal love [green], then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication [blue], then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies [indigo], and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience [violet].

We're eternal beings of infinite wisdom and love; I agree that those who wish to leave here and do 'higher' things may miss much of the value of being here; service (Wanderers especially) and experience. I very much doubt many Wanderers (i.e. most of this forum) incarnated with the goal of not enjoying anything physical :¬)

Not to mention two things:

1) Multidimensionality, linked to...
2) The Eternal now

Right now, in some densities, in some forms, we may be floating around in the purest of spirit, watching ourselves in this incarnation and enjoying every moment of it :¬)

[native]

Shin'Ar - I agree. Ra says they are no longer working towards light, but they have become light itself. Namaste pulled a quote from 49.6 where Ra speaks of kundalini. You can read that quote and 49.5 which also talks about the kundalini process here.

It seems however, that in third density, for wanderers specifically.."However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve."

There is only so much to be done here it seems. We know that the unity of all finite moments is infinity. So, to open one's self up to the finite experience of the present moment as a direct experience of infinity itself, is to make contact with our violet nature and allow intelligent infinity/energy to flow through us. All moments are divine. It is the essence of infinity itself.

To be present and aware of the finite moment in its most sacred understanding is the act of healing, because one has moved beyond simple toiling in life and moved towards a more active role of consciously removing distortion..which is why healing is referred to as a responsibility. Healing is conscious application of truth in every day interaction. To act outside of what one understands as truth is irresponsible, and consciously creates distortion.

The human experience then, inherently becomes a sacred act, as we learn to work with light.

"The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be. The life experience becomes somewhat transformed and the great work goes on."

"This is the beginning of the sacramental nature of what you call your bisexual reproductive act." In sixth-density, the nature of sexual intercourse generates light. The adept in third density, conscious of polarity within and around itself, integrates the understanding of polarity and its unity within their consciousness. Symbolically, the more one integrates unity as you learn more and more, it becomes a sexual act of polarity unification within. You could say an adept working with indigo/violet energy to heal any form of distortion is sowing the seeds of light (sexual reference) in a conscious and direct manner, because you are attempting to manifest a more whole and healthy environment within and around you through your being/action, which will necessarily encompass more light.

[zenmaster]

"The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be."

Yes, when there is inflation, exaggeration, or attachment evidenced, sort of betrays the commonplace nature of balance. The 'spiritual hand-waving' for example, becomes suspicious as compensation mechanism.

[Shin'Ar]

Zen,

Is it my mistaken observation, or do you seem to have some sort of problem with those who profess to have become enlightened? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but you seem to be extremely critical of those who speak spiritually. I wonder if you come from an educated background of science or some other scholarly trade?

[zenmaster]

Is it my mistaken observation, or do you seem to have some sort of problem with those who profess to have become enlightened?

Nope, just critical of ideas.

Forgive me if I misunderstand, but you seem to be extremely critical of those who speak spiritually. I wonder if you come from an educated background of science or some other scholarly trade?

We access spirit (the "unmanifest") through the faculty of intuition. For many, this intuition is just plain "broken" or heavily distorted with hopes and fears, yet the ideas derived from this system of perception serve the basis of very real decisions which affect others.

[yossarian]

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

If you were given the chance to soar into the universe and experience the stars, but you had to give up your human form in order to do this, why would cling to your human form and give up the chance to enjoy higher experiences?

You speak of this spirit/flesh combination as though there is no evolution from one into the other. Do you believe that the state of being that you now experience is the highest form of being that there is to experience? if you believe that the human form you now have cannot be improved upon or evolve into a higher being, than I can understand why you believe the way that you do. To you transforming the flesh into something Sacred means enjoying it as it is without any desire to evolve or strive toward higher being. Is that how you and Ankh view the human experience?

That's not how I see it at all. Most of us on this forum see ourselves as Wanderers. Certainly in my case the sense of "descent" is palpable. I feel like a fallen angel, a wandering star. Wanderers are those who chose earth life after living in higher forms of life.

Let me ask you, if you had the choice to fly like a bird through the mountaintops, or to only see the mountaintops from the ground level, why you would choose to remain at ground level?

I honestly believe I would fly for awhile, and it would great, but then later there is a non-zero chance that I would grow tired of my flight and I would want to see the mountains from the point of view of a mountain troll or a billy goat.

After 10,000 incarnations as a Bald Eagle wouldn't you want to see how the meerkat views the world?

Look at human hobbies. People will re-enact the civil war for pleasure. People will play videogames where they pretend to be Middle Age peasants or stone age barbarians. People watch movies where the main character is tortured, gets lost, loses everything, whatever.

In our spare time, humans create stories and we project ourselves into them. We enter into a "lower" reality for pleasure. I play videogames where I pretend to be an Orc or some primitive person in some primitive era without technology or comforts. I get drawn into the story and to some small extent believe I'm really in it.

That is no different than human life. When I become an angel, won't I still love stories? Do angels have hobbies? Do they dress up like humans and make believe that they have no wings?

What is the purpose of creation in the first place? Aren't we already omnipotent? Why should I strive for omnipotence if I already have it?

Obviously my omnipotent, omniscient self chose to experience this reality as it is, in precisely this way, otherwise I'm not omnipotent, omniscient, and infinite.

Oh ye of little faith Do you not know that there is nothing to strive for aside from striving itself? You love to strive, that's why you chose your beliefs regarding striving. I can tell you love to strive or you, The Infinite Creator, would have never chosen to strive for enlightenment the way you do. You, The Infinite Creator, have convinced yourself that there is something to work toward. It's just a game, Lord, and you're just playing, as you type these words into the keyboard, you are just playing the game you created.

So play, keep striving, or if you've had enough striving, then stop striving. I think maybe you've had enough.

Ah Yossarian,

Now I see the factor which differentiates our thinking. Is it possible for you to imagine what amazing possibilities may be awaiting you in the vast expanse of the universe. You are thinking in terms of the universe having nothing more to offer out there than what you can experience here on earth. I cannot fathom a mind that thinks as though it would become bored of the Mystery of the Cosmos. Certainly one may choose to relive past experiences that they enjoyed, but you must be able to comprehend that the possibilities 'OUT THERE' are so vast and innumerable that one might never find the time to return to the past enjoyments, being fully engaged in amazing new discoveries.

To suggest that, in the expanses of the universe, one might become bored, is beyond my ability to comprehend. After a million incarnations as a human, bound to the flesh, I would excitedly leap at the chance to experience a reality unrestricted by the confines of the flesh. Yes, I may choose to reacquaint myself with this experience of fleshly enjoyments, but to suppose that I would become bored with a playground the size of the universe and find nothing better to do is ludicrous. Many of us return to the experience of the musclecar for the nostalgia, but there is not a chance that they would turn down the opportunity to drive a Ferrari. I think your outlook is such that you are not aware of the Ferrari that awaits you around the corner.

Returning to the incarnation of the flesh may also be a deliberate choice for the sake of returning to your fellow man to assist them in realizing that the Ferrari is around the corner, but that choice in no way means that you have become bored with the many possibilities that lay around that corner. We must fully open our imaginations to the possibilities Yosarrio.

It's quite the trap The Universe has set for us isn't it? We're told to abandon the simple pleasures of the simple fleshy life in order to strive for the future Ferrari. The flesh cries in agony when its survival programming is overridden.

Do you have some kind of timetable in mind for us, for humans in general maybe? I am onboard with a natural process of evolution : I'm willing to be the caterpillar who builds a cocoon. I don't want to be the caterpillar who jumps out of the tree and hopes that his wings will grow before hitting the ground. I don't see how this is natural human behaviour.

The mystery schools are hacking this world are they not? Through tremendous will or insight, the adept rips open the veil and shoves himself through like a baby born through Caesarian. Is there a natural childbirth that the less adventurous among us can have? Or those of us whose bodies cling to survival, our bodies fearfully and disapprovingly watching the life and death game we are playing?

Is there such a thing as transmution or graceful transformation rather the feeling like a Siamese twin being cut apart?

Just some of my musings. I find the spiritual path heartbreaking and violent. Maybe you have some comment.

[Shin'Ar]

And now the true Yossarian shines through. Such pertinent thought process.

You know of your design, and would like to fulfill it but you feel that the mystery of the time-frame is unfair. You feel that you are forced to choose between leaping from the leaf or remaining here forever, and your impatience is causing you frustration. What would be 'natural human behavior' in your mind Yossarian? A written invitation and date of event would solve your problem would it not?

The Ancient Schools have provided you with the invitation but not the date of the event and this causes you suffering. So much so that even when you understand the natural process and design, you still view it as a preemptive strike on the future that invades your sense of what is fair and reasonable. Or as you have colorfully put it, 'you feel like a Siamese twin torn from the womb before its time.' Or would feel that way if you did not calm that frustration by convincing yourself that there is no need to lean toward the Light at all, and that you think it is perfectly acceptable to simply look no further ahead than the here and now and enjoy the flesh and all that it has to offer.

My obvious question to you than is this:

How long Yossarian? How many times shall you reincarnate before you do begin to desire something new?

Just because you are not aware of how many times you have already been through this cycle of darkness, does not mean that you cannot consider this question of how many times you think would be too many. A thousand? A million maybe? A trillion?

Do you see what I mean my friend? Nobody is expecting you to have to leap from a leaf without wings, just because you cannot wait for the process to fulfill itself. But once you have those wings, there will be a point in time that you are supposed to flee from the cycle of the leaf and begin a new experience. How long ? How many times do you think would be fair to allow you to come to terms with having wings?

Do not blame the Mystery Schools for your impatience. They are only the messenger, despite their problems.

One last question. What affect would knowing that you still had one hundred reincarnations to go through before you could transcend have on your impatience?

[AnthroHeart]

One last question. What affect would knowing that you still had one hundred reincarnations to go through before you could transcend have on your impatience?

Good question. I suppose if that were the case I wouldn't be worrying about trying to make harvest in this life. It does take away some of the stress. While at the same time I'd be a bit disappointed having so many more to go. But mostly I'd be relieved of a lot of worry.

[yossarian]

And now the true Yossarian shines through. Such pertinent thought process.

You know of your design, and would like to fulfill it but you feel that the mystery of the time-frame is unfair. You feel that you are forced to choose between leaping from the leaf or remaining here forever, and your impatience is causing you frustration. What would be 'natural human behavior' in your mind Yossarian? A written invitation and date of event would solve your problem would it not?

Yeah probably. Just because I believe in the present and want to recognize the value of the present doesn't mean I reject change. I'm open to natural change.

The Ancient Schools have provided you with the invitation but not the date of the event and this causes you suffering. So much so that even when you understand the natural process and design, you still view it as a preemptive strike on the future that invades your sense of what is fair and reasonable. Or as you have colorfully put it, 'you feel like a Siamese twin torn from the womb before its time.' Or would feel that way if you did not calm that frustration by convincing yourself that there is no need to lean toward the Light at all, and that you think it is perfectly acceptable to simply look no further ahead than the here and now and enjoy the flesh and all that it has to offer.

The invitation has no date but it does have a dress code, and taking off my curent clothes feels a lot like dying.

My obvious question to you than is this:

How long Yossarian? How many times shall you reincarnate before you do begin to desire something new?

Just because you are not aware of how many times you have already been through this cycle of darkness, does not mean that you cannot consider this question of how many times you think would be too many. A thousand? A million maybe? A trillion?

Do you see what I mean my friend? Nobody is expecting you to have to leap from a leaf without wings, just because you cannot wait for the process to fulfill itself. But once you have those wings, there will be a point in time that you are supposed to flee from the cycle of the leaf and begin a new experience. How long ? How many times do you think would be fair to allow you to come to terms with having wings?

Do not blame the Mystery Schools for your impatience. They are only the messenger, despite their problems.

One last question. What affect would knowing that you still had one hundred reincarnations to go through before you could transcend have on your impatience?

Well, it's pretty hard to answer your questions. I just woke up from a dream of sitting in a stalled car in the snow while a cloud of thick black smoke covers the sky. So if you're familiar with Wilcock's dream symbols you can see how this all seems pretty dire to me, whichever way I go. I'm trying to see the divinity in the suffering, in the internal conflict.

Gnosis that I had 1oo incarnations to go, would be disappointing but also a comfort I guess.

The Ra Material and people like Wilcock or Drunvalo stress the DEADLINE. Wilcock does give a specific date: December 21st. Drunvalo gives many dates of course. Many "teachers" push us to strive harder before "soon" comes. So, like many of my steps on this path, the 100 incarnation revelation would be heartbreaking. But also comforting because it pushes back the DEADLINE and gives me more time to change clothing.

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And by the way, I read the Ra material as saying that striving is counterproductive, hence my earlier post to you about striving. What is your take on striving?

[native]

Why is it you feel Ra gives a deadline? My understanding sees no deadline within an incarnation's length of time.

[Shin'Ar]

So what we find is that regardless of which side of the outlook we sit upon, the only real way to get through it while we experience it is to find that balance between the two extremes.

That is what this entire existence is all about; balance. The Ancients have known this and taught the ways to achieve it for thousands of years. From that first second of creation when dark and Light were forced to coexist, when male and female aspects became the design of the universe, and when matter and spirit became separated by the veil between the worlds, life has been a balance between these extremes, and every other extreme that we face as we try to survive the experience of awareness and consciousness.

[yossarian]

Why is it you feel Ra gives a deadline? My understanding sees no deadline within an incarnation's length of time.

Well there's debate on that. Whether harvest is gradual or sudden, Ra emphasizes that time is short and that people who don't evolve will be left behind. This is echoed in every other religious teaching. The concept of being left behind is inherently anxiety provoking - not that anxiety is bad.

I suppose part of my conflict is that my training in psychology emphasizes "becoming more fully human" as the ideal of mental health, and yet spiritual teachings (aside from zen Buddhism) tell us to strive to become angels.

They say the path is straight and narrow but it's certainly not lit, for me. One of the only things that really makes sense to me is to try to live sensibly and reasonably and to see the creator in everything, including the muck. Do I even want to enter into a 4d illusion anyway? illusions within illusions, where is reality? The only reality seems to be onenes, but this vision causes gnashing of teeth for me. So I just hope that my path of pain and muck is leading me deeper into reality rather than deeper into delusion.

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So what we find is that regardless of which side of the outlook we sit upon, the only real way to get through it while we experience it is to find that balance between the two extremes.

That is what this entire existence is all about; balance. The Ancients have known this and taught the ways to achieve it for thousands of years. From that first second of creation when dark and Light were forced to coexist, when male and female aspects became the design of the universe, and when matter and spirit became separated by the veil between the worlds, life has been a balance between these extremes, and every other extreme that we face as we try to survive the experience of awareness and consciousness.

But you propose a balance that is biased toward the light. Is that true balance, or is that failing to see the creator in the darkness?

[Shin'Ar]

But you propose a balance that is biased toward the light. Is that true balance, or is that failing to see the creator in the darkness?

When We speak of balance Yossarian we are not speaking of perfection, We are speaking of the act of balancing.

If one stands at the fulcrum of a seesaw, with his feet on each side of that point of perfect balance, he could completely stop the seesaw from moving at all and come to a full stop. That would not be motion. Growth and evolution requires motion. Balancing is only necessary if there is motion. And that act of balancing means leaning toward one way or the other. It could be growth toward the one side or the other. The human is designed in such a way that growth toward the Light will fulfill his design and move him into a higher state of being. growth in the other direction will lead into further reincarnation and inability to achieve higher being.


To become what you are designed to become leaning toward the Light instead of the dark is the Way to reach your goal. The act of balancing is simply keeping the seesaw moving while you lean just enough toward the Light to keep growing in the right direction to become what you are divinely designed to become.

[yossarian]

But you propose a balance that is biased toward the light. Is that true balance, or is that failing to see the creator in the darkness?

When We speak of balance Yossarian we are not speaking of perfection, We are speaking of the act of balancing.

If one stands at the fulcrum of a seesaw, with is feet on each side of that point of perfect balance, he could completely stop the seesaw from moving at all and come to a full stop. That would not be motion. Growth and evolution requires motion. Balancing is only necessary if there is motion. And that act of balancing means leaning toward one way or another. It could be growth toward the one side or the other. The human is designed in such a way that growth toward the Light will fulfill his design and move him into a higher state of being. growth in the other direction will lead into further reincarnation and inability to achieve higher being.


To become what you are designed to become leaning toward the Light instead of the dark is the Way to reach your goal. The act of balancing is simply keeping the seesaw moving while you lean just enough toward the Light to keep growing in the right direction to become what you are divinely designed to become.

So if I feel myself tilting too far leftward, I should move toward the right as an act of balancing, and I should avoid letting the seesaw hit the ground on either side, and the overall balance should be toward the left?

The left is toward reality and oneness and the right is toward suffering and separation and illusion?

Why is it like this?

[Shin'Ar]

Right and left are dependent on your own point of view. We are no talking politics here. The Light is to one side, dark to the other, which you choose to call it according to direction is up to you.

It is like this because it is the natural design of the Cosmos. From the beginning the Source moved in one direction and the force opposing it moved in the other. In order for there to me an action there has to be an opposing action. Opposition is the divine design. Balancing it is our task to return to that point where we find the Source.

[native]

They say the path is straight and narrow but it's certainly not lit, for me. One of the only things that really makes sense to me is to try to live sensibly and reasonably and to see the creator in everything, including the muck. Do I even want to enter into a 4d illusion anyway? illusions within illusions, where is reality? The only reality seems to be onenes, but this vision causes gnashing of teeth for me. So I just hope that my path of pain and muck is leading me deeper into reality rather than deeper into delusion.

I think it's level-headed to remain present. A person can only accomplish so much, the value is in the effort. "The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances." Light and the darkness are a part of each other. We are awake, but then also need time for rest. One shouldn't over-exert themselves or their mind.

I don't think Ra has implied time is short however. If anything, they emphasized that time is eternally present and available. Even if a person isn't harvested to fourth density, your progress would imply that you would require less intense catalyst, and so you move to a more harmonious third density planet. We always have time to work out our fears.

[yossarian]

They say the path is straight and narrow but it's certainly not lit, for me. One of the only things that really makes sense to me is to try to live sensibly and reasonably and to see the creator in everything, including the muck. Do I even want to enter into a 4d illusion anyway? illusions within illusions, where is reality? The only reality seems to be onenes, but this vision causes gnashing of teeth for me. So I just hope that my path of pain and muck is leading me deeper into reality rather than deeper into delusion.

I think it's level-headed to remain present. A person can only accomplish so much, the value is in the effort. "The advantage of space/time is that, working in darkness with a tiny candle, one may correct imbalances." Light and the darkness are a part of each other. We are awake, but then also need time for rest. One shouldn't over-exert themselves or their mind.

I don't think Ra has implied time is short however. If anything, they emphasized that time is eternally present and available. Even if a person isn't harvested to fourth density, your progress would imply that you would require less intense catalyst, and so you move to a more harmonious third density planet. We always have time to work out our fears.

Ra says both but it's naive to think that the human hears anything other than "OMG TIME IS SHORT"

On one hand Ra says everything is perfect and there are no mistakes. On the other hand, Ra says there is a three way split and if you miss the juncture you are parted from your loved ones and transported to a new planet where you will have to live by the sweat of your brow and toil like a slave for another many thousand years.

Oh and if you catch the train, then you go to heaven.

Ra sets it up as either going to Heaven, or being stuck on Earth for a long time. This is reinforced by countless other religions. And Earth history is filled with brutality and suffering for the average person, hardly a place anyone wants to be.

So it comes down to Heaven vs Hell, and you better catch the Heaven boat by serving others enough!! But isn't that what the slavemasters have been telling the slaves for thousands of years already?

This is the inevitable, elephant in the room, glaringly loud, fifty foot high neon sign of the Ra material.

On top of all the Love and Light, on top of the One Infinite Creator, on top of the interesting metaphysical discussions, there is this giant message saying:

Do A, go to Heaven. Else, go to crappier place.

Oh, and the deadline to do A is last year.

How do you know harvest didn't already occur in 2011 and we are those left behind? David Wilcock says that when the Harvest happens, those left behind will be instantly transported to a reality that looks identical to their current reality but will actually be in 3D space. This could be that reality.

[zenmaster]

How do you know harvest didn't already occur in 2011 and we are those left behind?

Now it makes sense why unity100 disappeared.

[Shin'Ar]

What you are missing is the Key.

You are thinking in STS mode, and that is why you are feeling this way. Would you be feeling this way if the way you lived was going to sacrifice the welfare of your children or your mother? You would quickly give your life and do whatever you had to do, to save them in a quick decision. And yet, when you are given time to consider the matter you react as though all that matters is your welfare.

This is not about YOU! It is about Us!

What these teachings should ask of you is that you live each second in a vibration that will both enhance US and your own ascendance. This is not a matter of earning a reward or doing something that will benefit you in some future aspect. This is a matter of being All that you can be, every second of your life, not so that you can benefit, but so that We ALL can benefit.

In this case I will NOT be substituting you with one.

[yossarian]

What you are missing is the Key.

You are thinking in STS mode, and that is why you are feeling this way. Would you be feeling this way if the way you lived was going to sacrifice the welfare of your children or your mother? You would quickly give your life and do whatever you had to do, to save them in a quick decision. And yet, when you are given time to consider the matter you react as though all that matters is your welfare.

This is not about YOU! It is about Us!

What these teachings should ask of you is that you live each second in a vibration that will both enhance US and your own ascendance. This is not a matter of earning a reward or doing something that will benefit you in some future aspect. This is a matter of being All that you can be, every second of your life, not so that you can benefit, but so that We ALL can benefit.

In this case I will NOT be substituting you with one.

"live each second in a vibration that will both enhance US and your own ascendance."

Vibration is basically a euphemism for emotions, as far as I can tell. People say you're high vibration when you feel bliss, and low vibration when you feel shame. So vibration just refers to your emotional state.

What is the vibration ("emotional state") that corresponds to enhancing us, as well as myself?

I think you're saying it's not self-sacrifice to take on this vibration, it's taking on a mutually beneficial emotional state. It helps us AND it helps me.

The vibration ("emotional state") that is "ascendent" is love, peace, joy, compassion, and a feeling of desire to serve others. Is that correct?