child molesters

[Cyan]

2. My idea is that, if your idea is true then good people choose to incarnate as rapists to balance all the good they did in the last life.

that's a whole new understanding of BALANCE!

Punch? Hmmmm. I was thinking broom stick...

how about this:





what they did in the Middle Ages when they really disliked someone ...

(I think Pickle invented this)

I would wager to say that I would rather be many things besides someone who cuts gay people in half from groin to lungs and watches them die for 12 hours.

[3DMonkey]

My sister. My mother. My neighbor. My friend. My friend's sister. Me (sort of). My classmate. My teacher. Hundreds of alter boys. Thousands of step daughters.

All victims.

For those of you who think it isn't in your backyard, or that it seldom happens, I tell you that you are wrong.

The man that harmed one of the above mentioned died this year. I am literally relieved that he will never meet his own grandchildren. His sons have no idea, and one will be wed this year, the other will become a new father. They don't know because of taboo, so death is a blessing.

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Thinking about those "kind hearted" prisons.... It's been said that crime goes down. Think about it. When a criminal becomes a pet, they have the system under their manipulation the same way they had their victims. Crime goes down because they are offered a helping hand. It's like the system becomes the enabling mother who turns a blind eye to her son's alcoholic behavior. He gets away with more because she allows him to feed her fancy lies. I am willing to bet the only reason recorded crime goes down is because prosecution goes down. If your a victim, why bother tell anyone? They aren't going to do anything about it- just put him in a lush hotel while everyone showers him with love.

[native]

I think most of those prisons are for non-violent offenders by the way. Most crime is learned behavior through adaptation to environment and not having good role models. This of course is the result of the social conditions we create. It's never only their fault. The entire function of third density is to come to this understanding.

Sexual predators have psychological issues. I'm sure seeing Dad beat or yell at his Mom contributed to that. Then there are the truly sinister types. And I'd agree that some people just require.. "what you may call the large board needs to be applied to the forehead in order to obtain the attention of the self."

[Plenum]

I saw your original post Icaro!!

[Shemaya]

Yes 3D it has happened a lot more than we think and it causes major lower chakra blockages, and heart blockages, throat blockages, the whole energy system. Anger, control issues, sexual dysfunction, disconnection from the body, low self- esteem, a few to mention. The list is really long. A life- time worth of catalysts because of the damage that comes from being violated.

I am ready for a world where there is no longer this kind of abuse. Hopefully we can all unite in the vision of a world with no more child abuse so that it's an actual possibility. It'll take a lot of healing to get there, but I think we can make it happen if we share a collective vision of an Earth where children are loved and cared for and seen as the divine beings that they are.

[3DMonkey]

I would want to murder them, but I would resist because I still have a life to live with them without being behind bars.

There is an actual, real life, woman who was unsatisfied with the court's sentence of the man that violated her child, so she shot him dead. She then went to prison. She says now that it was a big mistake.

Of course we aren't advocating assault. We are speaking about the sentiment in our perspective.

[Plenum]

I would want to murder them, but I would resist because I still have a life to live with them without being behind bars.

There is an actual, real life, woman who was unsatisfied with the court's sentence of the man that violated her child, so she shot him dead. She then went to prison. She says now that it was a big mistake.

Of course we aren't advocating assault. We are speaking about the sentiment in our perspective.

[Shemaya]

Understand you guys aren't advocating assault but the images are quite disturbing, especially for highly empathic and sensitive people.

[Diana]

I sympathize with a parent's reaction to the idea of child molestation. But it is a reaction.

To all those who want "revenge" in the case of sex crimes involving children, surely, there must be some part of you, as a parent, that can be reached even intellectually, where you could look objectively at the situation.

Do you think the crimes would cease if:

1) We punished them so severely as to totally discourage the crimes?

2) We healed the sex offenders of the underlying causes of their deviance?

We all know that #1 does not work. #2 will work. So, with the end goal in mind, the reactions of wanting to "kill the bastards" is not efficacious or productive in any way except to relieve outraged feelings.

Think about the idea that you deal with this problem with love, not fear.

[3DMonkey]

No, it eliminates a repeat. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

[Bring4th_Austin]

No, it eliminates a repeat. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

Once a spammer, always a spammer.

To treehouse with you!




Jokes (with a hidden meaning).

[3DMonkey]

Healing only comes to someone who wants to be healed.

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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/stolen-l...1100571658

Reading suggestion

[Bring4th_Austin]

That is the issue. What if their "deviance" is not from mental illness or emotional trauma, but rather from an innate disposition? What if there is no "healing" to be done...the offense is made out of clear health?

[3DMonkey]

Then they will play any role "mommy" wants them to play, and then sneak out at night.

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Meanwhile, mommy is so satisfied "knowing" that she has helped change him for the better

[Diana]

Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

This is the sort of rubbish that people get indoctrinated with in order to keep them disempowered.

[3DMonkey]

Cuz we want to empower molestors? Uh, no

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Might as well tell gay people they have a demon in them while we're at it.

[BrownEye]

Might as well tell gay people they have a demon in them while we're at it.

LMAO! Many do! I have worked with a few firsthand!

It is perfectly possible to have a healthy gay relationship, but the majority of relationships I see are the promiscuous types, which definitely have something/s "milking" them.

You really do not seem to understand the shape the world is in today with the effect organized religion had on the world.

[3DMonkey]

I'm making the connection between thinking we could "heal" a molester to the same crazy idea that gays need healing or that Africans are heathen.

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There is no healing for homosexuality, skin color, or pedophilia.

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Or alcoholism

[Bring4th_Austin]

There is no healing for homosexuality, skin color, or pedophilia.

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Or alcoholism

This is a large large debate on the internet regarding pedophilia. While a lot of people might arrive at pedophilia through emotional trauma or some sort of distortion which can be "healed" (which can also be said about some cases of homosexuality), we seem to ignore the fact that the definition of pedophilia is very strictly a construct of our own society, and our perception is very sharply shaped by out upbringing within society. There are societies in the world that treat homosexuals the way we treat pedophiles.

The debate is broad, including the ability of children to make decisions on their own, especially ones regarding a sexual nature...but also in the innate disposition of pedophilia. What if there is nothing to be healed? What if you are doing more psychological trauma on the individual trying to "heal" that aspect of themselves, much like what happens with anti-gay Christian "straight camps?"

[Diana]

There is no healing for homosexuality, skin color, or pedophilia.

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Or alcoholism

This is a large large debate on the internet regarding pedophilia. While a lot of people might arrive at pedophilia through emotional trauma or some sort of distortion which can be "healed" (which can also be said about some cases of homosexuality), we seem to ignore the fact that the definition of pedophilia is very strictly a construct of our own society, and our perception is very sharply shaped by out upbringing within society. There are societies in the world that treat homosexuals the way we treat pedophiles.

The debate is broad, including the ability of children to make decisions on their own, especially ones regarding a sexual nature...but also in the innate disposition of pedophilia. What if there is nothing to be healed? What if you are doing more psychological trauma on the individual trying to "heal" that aspect of themselves, much like what happens with anti-gay Christian "straight camps?"

Good points about society's judgments. Rather than go by what society deems right and wrong, we can go by what causes harm.

The process of healing would be to bring an individual into balance. This might include clearing of childhood abuses, and teaching the individual that they are loved.

How could pedophilia be innate, and not the result of some imbalance perhaps even from past lives? Whatever causes harm to another individual is something that is out of balance, because one participant would desire it while the other would not.

I see what you're saying. But the case could be made that even gays/lesbians are out of balance (the individuals with true confusion between the body they were born with and the sex they feel they really are). For individuals that choose a certain lifestyle as a matter of preference, once again, if there is harm to another individual involved, then it is out of balance.

[Plenum]

I see what you're saying. But the case could be made that even gays/lesbians are out of balance (the individuals with true confusion between the body they were born with and the sex they feel they really are). For individuals that choose a certain lifestyle as a matter of preference, once again, if there is harm to another individual involved, then it is out of balance.

wow, that's harsh.

[norral]

i personally am not interested in relating to molestors. i am interested in stopping the molestation. punching a molester in the mouth is to me very loving . it is going to let the molester know that there are consequences to his acts. there are consequences to everything in this life. if u want to violate what i personally consider a sacred boundary and i am involved with that child u are going to deal with me personally. i dont think i would kill a molester i dont honestly know. i have zero sympathy or empathy for child molesters zero. just like i have zero sympathy or empathy for drunk drivers. there is nothing wrong imo with people suffering the consequences of their acts. part of the reason society is so screwed up is that there are no consequences for anything anymore . people commit crimes all the time, especially white collar crime and get a slap on the wrist or more likely nothing at all. but i dont think the two viewpoints are going to ever reconcile or do they necessarily need to reconcile. both viewpoints as far as an approach are equally valid or right imo. as a father and as one who loves children violating a child is basically unforgiveable and i dont want to forgive it. and that is not going to change in this life .

and ill give a perfect example. a while ago there was a case in florida. this guy kidnapped this little 11 year old girl as she was walking home from school. he raped her, killed her , burned her body and threw it into a garbage dump.at the trial he begged for mercy he said he was stoned on heroin. now that pretty amazing because heroin is a mellow high usually on heroine u just want to chill but he wanted to rape someone. so this dude is really sick. i find so reason to feel sorry for him to feel empathy for him or anything else. he doesnt deserve it imo . i dont want to rehabilitate him or see him lead a productive life. i want him at the very least imprisoned for life or better yet executed would make me happy.

norral

[Diana]

I see what you're saying. But the case could be made that even gays/lesbians are out of balance (the individuals with true confusion between the body they were born with and the sex they feel they really are). For individuals that choose a certain lifestyle as a matter of preference, once again, if there is harm to another individual involved, then it is out of balance.

wow, that's harsh.

I didn't say gays/lesbians are out of balance unless there is a conflict between body and mind/emotions. If it is a lifestyle choice, fine, with consenting adults, as in any relationship. I think you misread me. Unless you think a conflict between body and mind/emotions is in balance.

[Cyan]

What world are you all living in where its OK to post stuff like this on a love and light imageboard:



What is wrong with you people. Is this your opinion of love and light.

Look at it. This is the image thats now 3 pages back in the discussion, that no one has reported.

Look at what your soul is showing you B4thers.

[BrownEye]

Hmm i thought it was a tarot card.

[zenmaster]

What is wrong with you people

What is wrong with you?

[Monica]

The whole idea of 'balance' is limited to the number 2, numerologically speaking. Duality. Yin/Yang. These are attributes of 3D reality, and might not have any relevance in the higher densities, where higher numbers might prevail.

What if you were to replace the concept of 'balance' with something based on the number 3, or 4, or 5, instead of 2, for example?

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What world are you all living in where its OK to post stuff like this on a love and light imageboard:



What is wrong with you people. Is this your opinion of love and light.

Look at it. This is the image thats now 3 pages back in the discussion, that no one has reported.

Look at what your soul is showing you B4thers.

I wasn't following this thread so just now saw it. That's really creepy!

[Cyan]

What is wrong with you people

What is wrong with you?

Many things, more of them in my thread

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The whole idea of 'balance' is limited to the number 2, numerologically speaking. Duality. Yin/Yang. These are attributes of 3D reality, and might not have any relevance in the higher densities, where higher numbers might prevail.

What if you were to replace the concept of 'balance' with something based on the number 3, or 4, or 5, instead of 2, for example?

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What world are you all living in where its OK to post stuff like this on a love and light imageboard:



What is wrong with you people. Is this your opinion of love and light.

Look at it. This is the image thats now 3 pages back in the discussion, that no one has reported.

Look at what your soul is showing you B4thers.

I wasn't following this thread so just now saw it. That's really creepy!

The picture posted is of the famous saw torture, which i linked an explanation to. So, the post is a graphic image of a torture method applied in historical context. The person could be one of the tens of thousands of people tortured to death for pointless crimes, and posting it without "not safe for work" or "not for the squeamish" tag is just plain wrong.

One of the things "wrong with me" is that I believe topics like these should be discussed in serious calm tones, that does not invovle posting pictures of torture on forum like this. So yes, i suppose torture is one of my buttons/emotional issues and i do tend to take a dim view of having it advocated, even as a joke, and will continue to take a dim view on it. So i'll be the stick in the butt when ever you guys laugh and post pictures of people tortured to death. I feel it is a appropriate response to point out things like these and finding that I have to defend myself (have my arguments removed and PM'd that they have nothing of value) while having a bleeping torture picture in the same bleeping thread is outright insane.

Edit: I'm a survivor of sexual abuse and that picture hurts me deeply. I'm contemplating closing this connection entirely.

[Shemaya]

Cyan wrote: I feel it is a appropriate response to point out things like these and finding that I have to defend myself (have my arguments removed and PM'd that they have nothing of value) while having a bleeping torture picture in the same bleeping thread is outright insane.

I agree with you Cyan, it is insane/insensitive to post a graphic image like that and very appropriate to point it out. I know many people who have lived with the trauma of sexual abuse and one who died. It is a severe violation to abuse a child sexually, takes so much work to heal. I am so, so sorry that this happened to you. Peace and love to you

I hope that your honesty about this helps others to be more conscientious when they post, especially when discussing very sensitive issues like child molestation. I'm really glad that you said something, because if you didn't, then others would not give it a second thought.

[Cyan]

I've spent a decade wondering what to do to the person that molested me, and this thread seems to be full of people still wondering.

I'm wondering about how most people could have the experience bandwith of sexuality introduced to their existence with the least amount of pain.

I feel very strongly that child molesters should be helped to get rid of the molestation / power illusion relating to their interactions. The age at the interaction is irrelevant, the power disparity between the two is what is relevant.

A psychopathic abusive relationship is a psychopathic abusive relationship no matter if one partner is 11 or 91. And that is what we should, in my opinion focus on.

If two people make an informed decision to do something together then the state or the group consciousness should not be given the right to say that one of them is lying. So, as long as one of the people involved doesnt press charges, it doesnt belong to anyone else. The cut-off should be when the person is considered adult enough to make personal choices. What ever you happen to believe such a state of transition into adulthood is personal. My opinion is that the western society should lower the age of adulthood to what ever the people in the community agree is the best age, personally, i would give rights of adulthood at about 13-15 which would be the around the european age of consent average.