Icke's new Lizard rant

[Ali Quadir]

I think all of humanity is a mixture of these hybrids. The original primitive human species is long gone from this planet.

I also learned that... The human being was originally a mixture of various races and tribes put together. I'm not sure though if there ever was an original primitive human species. I understood there was none.

Basically that might mean reptiles are as much human as we are...

That would mean we're being ruled by humans! *shock and horror*

[Shin'Ar]

I think all of humanity is a mixture of these hybrids. The original primitive human species is long gone from this planet.

I also learned that... The human being was originally a mixture of various races and tribes put together. I'm not sure though if there ever was an original primitive human species. I understood there was none.

Basically that might mean reptiles are as much human as we are...

That would mean we're being ruled by humans! *shock and horror*

lol, Ali, the cycle is vicious isn't it.

I am of the thinking that evolution has occurred from lower species, not so much in the Darwinian mutation aspect, but in the sense that evolution is simply the design of all things to increase in vibration and transform into higher being.

All matter is vibration and transforms as it increases in frequency. The One Consciousnesses exists throughout it all and experiences the creation in fragments which also evolve experientially. So in a sense there are two evolutions taking place at all times. The evolution of matter, and the evolution of consciousness. And both are bound to each other in that the consciousness exists in All.

So on this planet, by natural design of Intelligent Infinity, matter has evolved through many forms and states of consciousness. the human is bound to that design in that at some point the vibrating form we call human was at earlier points a lower vibrating form of something other than human.

The thing is that this evolution and vibration is affected by many external catalysts and directly connected to its environment, and so there are many influences that can affect the transformation and vibration of any form, including the human one. including the form that led up to what we now acknowledge as human. Whatever that might have been before the "influences" came along and affected their influence.

[indolering]

I think it is important at this point of the conversation to reconsider our definitions of the possible extraterrestrial influences and resulting genetic mutations.

It is clear that ancients records point to some sort of otherworldly influence in our history. But can we really make precise definitions about what such influences might have looked using vague references such as 'reptilian-like'. Remember that these are the same records in which we find people referring to these beings as gods wielding extraordinary powers.

What the original influences actually looked like might not have appeared anything like what we today would describe as reptilian. It could be the only reason that the ancient people described them as such was because they had a second eyelid or a very thin tongue.

All we really know for sure is that somewhere around 50 thousand years ago, primitive human suddenly became civilized and in miraculous timeframe a new world was born. And in those records references are made to extraterrestrial influences.

At one time the human might have been evolving from a lower form, but whatever that was is long gone now. We are the result of of advanced evolution gone awry. It is highly likely that there exists bloodlines that are more inherently related to the original mutations, and possibly applying higher intelligence. Which has enabled them to be the elite amongst us which they use to their advantage. But reptiles? Not in the sense that they are reptilian in the ways that we are imagining it, but in the sense that we all are carrying similar genes and their's are purer.

That is the flesh however. The consciousness is a different matter altogether. regardless of the physical strains of mutated inherited genetics, the evolving consciousness continues as it always has using many forms and vehicles during its long journey. The consciousness cares not whether the vehicle has pure bloodlines or mixed.

Choices and decisions are also not of the flesh, but consciousness. Regardless of what one has in their bloodline, it will be temporary and fleeting. It is the path they choose to walk that develops their ever evolving consciousness and creates the true identity beneath the skin; scaly or not.

I don't really agree with your interpretation of some of these concepts, but much of this discussion is wild speculation based on scant evidence.

I'll just posit a few ideas related to all this.

First, I don't buy into the idea of Darwinian evolution at all. I see life forms adapting to their environment and subtle changes in genetic structure due to mutation, radiation, poisoning; but I don't see one species becoming another. The real meaning of evolution is the development of individual consciousness, more accurately described as spiritual evolution. A soul incarnates through the various lower forms of life, learning the lessons of second density and then through human third density.

Second, I would say that the vehicle in which the soul resides does indeed have a significant effect on the consciousness of that being. I feel that this will hold true until that being transcends everyday consciousness and begins the upward journey as the soul slowly breaks free from its conditioning and all other limitations.

It seems most likely to me that life does not spring forth spontaneously from base elements but is 'seeded' upon planets. There is the further idea (popularized, as I recall, by Blavatsky) that creation begins in the higher, spiritual regions and emanates to the lower densities. I don't pretend to fully understand this process but the basic idea sounds right.

And finally, I would say that we really know very little about the true history of humanity on Earth. To be sure, there are lots of clues and things but it's all quite sketchy. I do believe the illuminati have vast archives of pilfered records and documents and writings and tablets which may well explain much of our past. Think of the vatican archives, for example - what wonders may we find among those dusty tomes...?

And lets not forget our 'ancestors' the Atlanteans and the Lemurians...how do they fit into the story and were they also hybridized by marauding spacemen? We've much to learn - but the historical record thus far shows a heavy reptilian influence of a primarily negative bent. There are good reptilians here also who disagree with the manipulation but as Ra has said, positive entities are prohibited from interfering with free will so will not come out openly to our aid.

It's a fascinating subject, and Icke is a fascinating guy. He's intelligent and likable and is a marvelous speaker, keeping his audience rapt for an eight hour presentation. Not many could pull that off. The main thing, however, is the information - the ABC's of the enslavement of humanity. Icke is fairly unique among conspiracy researchers because he has a fair grasp of the spiritual dimensions of existence and exhorts us to free ourselves from the false matrix/paradigm through a realization of the Infinite One. You won't hear Alex Jones speak like that - Jones, of course, comes from a Christian/Patriot point of view, but hey, to each his own....

[Shin'Ar]

I think it is important at this point of the conversation to reconsider our definitions of the possible extraterrestrial influences and resulting genetic mutations.

It is clear that ancients records point to some sort of otherworldly influence in our history. But can we really make precise definitions about what such influences might have looked using vague references such as 'reptilian-like'. Remember that these are the same records in which we find people referring to these beings as gods wielding extraordinary powers.

What the original influences actually looked like might not have appeared anything like what we today would describe as reptilian. It could be the only reason that the ancient people described them as such was because they had a second eyelid or a very thin tongue.

All we really know for sure is that somewhere around 50 thousand years ago, primitive human suddenly became civilized and in miraculous timeframe a new world was born. And in those records references are made to extraterrestrial influences.

At one time the human might have been evolving from a lower form, but whatever that was is long gone now. We are the result of of advanced evolution gone awry. It is highly likely that there exists bloodlines that are more inherently related to the original mutations, and possibly applying higher intelligence. Which has enabled them to be the elite amongst us which they use to their advantage. But reptiles? Not in the sense that they are reptilian in the ways that we are imagining it, but in the sense that we all are carrying similar genes and their's are purer.

That is the flesh however. The consciousness is a different matter altogether. regardless of the physical strains of mutated inherited genetics, the evolving consciousness continues as it always has using many forms and vehicles during its long journey. The consciousness cares not whether the vehicle has pure bloodlines or mixed.

Choices and decisions are also not of the flesh, but consciousness. Regardless of what one has in their bloodline, it will be temporary and fleeting. It is the path they choose to walk that develops their ever evolving consciousness and creates the true identity beneath the skin; scaly or not.

I don't really agree with your interpretation of some of these concepts, but much of this discussion is wild speculation based on scant evidence.

I'll just posit a few ideas related to all this.

First, I don't buy into the idea of Darwinian evolution at all. I see life forms adapting to their environment and subtle changes in genetic structure due to mutation, radiation, poisoning; but I don't see one species becoming another. The real meaning of evolution is the development of individual consciousness, more accurately described as spiritual evolution. A soul incarnates through the various lower forms of life, learning the lessons of second density and then through human third density.

Second, I would say that the vehicle in which the soul resides does indeed have a significant effect on the consciousness of that being. I feel that this will hold true until that being transcends everyday consciousness and begins the upward journey as the soul slowly breaks free from its conditioning and all other limitations.

It seems most likely to me that life does not spring forth spontaneously from base elements but is 'seeded' upon planets. There is the further idea (popularized, as I recall, by Blavatsky) that creation begins in the higher, spiritual regions and emanates to the lower densities. I don't pretend to fully understand this process but the basic idea sounds right.

And finally, I would say that we really know very little about the true history of humanity on Earth. To be sure, there are lots of clues and things but it's all quite sketchy. I do believe the illuminati have vast archives of pilfered records and documents and writings and tablets which may well explain much of our past. Think of the vatican archives, for example - what wonders may we find among those dusty tomes...?

And lets not forget our 'ancestors' the Atlanteans and the Lemurians...how do they fit into the story and were they also hybridized by marauding spacemen? We've much to learn - but the historical record thus far shows a heavy reptilian influence of a primarily negative bent. There are good reptilians here also who disagree with the manipulation but as Ra has said, positive entities are prohibited from interfering with free will so will not come out openly to our aid.

It's a fascinating subject, and Icke is a fascinating guy. He's intelligent and likable and is a marvelous speaker, keeping his audience rapt for an eight hour presentation. Not many could pull that off. The main thing, however, is the information - the ABC's of the enslavement of humanity. Icke is fairly unique among conspiracy researchers because he has a fair grasp of the spiritual dimensions of existence and exhorts us to free ourselves from the false matrix/paradigm through a realization of the Infinite One. You won't hear Alex Jones speak like that - Jones, of course, comes from a Christian/Patriot point of view, but hey, to each his own....

I am not sure where you find that we are in disagreement Indolering.

I tend to agree with most of what you have pointed out in this post.

I did not make any claim to adhering to Darwinian evolution theory, but I do think that species evolve simply through generational experience and adaptation.

[indolering]

Sorry, ShinAr, perhaps I read too much into your words. I think we do agree on many of the basic issues. I did imagine you endorsed the physical evolution of forms and I felt that the physical vehicle did influence consciousness to a significant degree. But neither of these issues are really germane to the issue of reptilian influence.

This is a difficult subject to get one's head around...there are biases and misinformation and propaganda to deal with as well. I do recommend Icke's books, The Biggest Secret and/or Children Of The Matrix for background and evidence of this whole question. I've read them both and I still have many questions....

[neutral333]

David Icke is a brilliant man who has been through the muck.

I would go so far as to call him a modern day saint and mystic....Oh yeah, and prophet. Hope I'm not hyping him up too much. He is just an expression of the ONE INFINITE like us.

[Shin'Ar]

Sorry, ShinAr, perhaps I read too much into your words. I think we do agree on many of the basic issues. I did imagine you endorsed the physical evolution of forms and I felt that the physical vehicle did influence consciousness to a significant degree. But neither of these issues are really germane to the issue of reptilian influence.

This is a difficult subject to get one's head around...there are biases and misinformation and propaganda to deal with as well. I do recommend Icke's books, The Biggest Secret and/or Children Of The Matrix for background and evidence of this whole question. I've read them both and I still have many questions....

Oh I agree Indolering.

Much of what he says is right on. And there is a vast amount of information available in his work.

Like everything one has to discern information with a great amount of study and effort.

When we get into matters like the moon being an unnatural satellite, you can study it and make your own conclusions without discarding everything that is offered from the source just because you have a problem with one issue.

Is this not the definition of most religion today?

[indolering]

David Icke is a brilliant man who has been through the muck.

I would go so far as to call him a modern day saint and mystic....Oh yeah, and prophet. Hope I'm not hyping him up too much. He is just an expression of the ONE INFINITE like us.

+1 Agree completely.

Sorry, ShinAr, perhaps I read too much into your words. I think we do agree on many of the basic issues. I did imagine you endorsed the physical evolution of forms and I felt that the physical vehicle did influence consciousness to a significant degree. But neither of these issues are really germane to the issue of reptilian influence.

This is a difficult subject to get one's head around...there are biases and misinformation and propaganda to deal with as well. I do recommend Icke's books, The Biggest Secret and/or Children Of The Matrix for background and evidence of this whole question. I've read them both and I still have many questions....

Oh I agree Indolering.

Much of what he says is right on. And there is a vast amount of information available in his work.

Like everything one has to discern information with a great amount of study and effort.

When we get into matters like the moon being an unnatural satellite, you can study it and make your own conclusions without discarding everything that is offered from the source just because you have a problem with one issue.

Is this not the definition of most religion today?

You bring up a great point, Shin'Ar. It's common for people to dismiss Icke because they don't believe in reptilians or spaceship moons...it's a serious mistake because his analysis of the global conspiracy is spot on. All the primary researchers agree with Icke on the conspiracy issues, and then trash him for his conclusions about reptilians or about the moon. I happen to agree with him on both those topics. I've studied the moon debate in depth and the facts are on our side - the evidence clearly points to a hollow moon having been placed in orbit around Earth.

[Shin'Ar]

And the same can be said of many other from Galileo to Wilcock. from Plato to Descartes.

Although I can find reasons to be tolerant of the claims of a manmade moon, one being the perfect size between earth and sun for eclipse, I have to also remind myself that we are talking about a grand intelligent design behind the universe so why would it be so strange to think that the intelligent infinity would not deliberately enable the circumstances which would make the moon that size?

I don't think its always wise to claim something must be manmade just because it is miraculous or seemingly impossible.

many things are miraculous in such a glorious universe.

[indolering]

And the same can be said of many other from Galileo to Wilcock. from Plato to Descartes.

Although I can find reasons to be tolerant of the claims of a manmade moon, one being the perfect size between earth and sun for eclipse, I have to also remind myself that we are talking about a grand intelligent design behind the universe so why would it be so strange to think that the intelligent infinity would not deliberately enable the circumstances which would make the moon that size?

I don't think its always wise to claim something must be manmade just because it is miraculous or seemingly impossible.

many things are miraculous in such a glorious universe.

Well, I agree that the coincidence of the moon being in just the right place for an eclipse to occur is certainly possible - and if that were the only anomaly, I could even believe it was divinely inspired. But the fact is that the anomalies surrounding the moon are legion, and most all of them point to the conclusion that the moon has been artificially hollowed out and reinforced, and placed into orbit. I won't go into the evidence here - see the spaceship moon thread for that.

And you're right about so many innovative scientists and dreamers having been vilified for their beliefs, their discoveries. Do you think humanity will ever overcome this tendency to resist new information? Probably we will, given a little more time and a lot more love....

[Shin'Ar]

And the same can be said of many other from Galileo to Wilcock. from Plato to Descartes.

Although I can find reasons to be tolerant of the claims of a manmade moon, one being the perfect size between earth and sun for eclipse, I have to also remind myself that we are talking about a grand intelligent design behind the universe so why would it be so strange to think that the intelligent infinity would not deliberately enable the circumstances which would make the moon that size?

I don't think its always wise to claim something must be manmade just because it is miraculous or seemingly impossible.

many things are miraculous in such a glorious universe.

Well, I agree that the coincidence of the moon being in just the right place for an eclipse to occur is certainly possible - and if that were the only anomaly, I could even believe it was divinely inspired. But the fact is that the anomalies surrounding the moon are legion, and most all of them point to the conclusion that the moon has been artificially hollowed out and reinforced, and placed into orbit. I won't go into the evidence here - see the spaceship moon thread for that.

And you're right about so many innovative scientists and dreamers having been vilified for their beliefs, their discoveries. Do you think humanity will ever overcome this tendency to resist new information? Probably we will, given a little more time and a lot more love....

Personally, I think its a cycle and there was great knowledge and advanced civilization long gone before us, and there will be a shift of some sort that will cause the cycle to begin again.

[godwide_void]

I believe that this particular quote explains much:

indolering Wrote:

The more advanced hybrids are capable of shapeshifting. This is accomplished at the cellular level wherein they have learned to switch on certain DNA strands - the shift in appearance is not physical - it affects holographic, waveform frequencies which we perceive as solid. It's very much like creating a holographic image, the technology of which is now well understood by scientists. To be frank, I don't thoroughly understand it well myself but that's the basic gist of it - it's not a physical change in appearance but a holographic shift - to the uninformed, it's magic!

What this statement reveals is that any transformation or transfiguration is effectuated by the alteration of the vibrational frequency of one's field of consciousness. I hypothesize that perhaps the alleged genetic modification performed on us was meant to embed certain elements into our forms which would allow the human to have a much greater degree of access and grasp upon affecting consciousness? This along with instances of various natural molecular technologies being readily and widely available in abundance would explain the sudden shift from primitive status to civilization and comprehension.

It is absolutely no coincidence that the majority of ancient and a few current cultures in the world whom achieved a comprehensive understanding of various facets of the reality we dwell within (e.g. astronomy, mathematics, metaphysical knowledge, etc.) and were considered as being 'highly advanced civilizations' were those whom developed a sacred utilization of sacraments which heighten consciousness and allow the unlocking, activation and accessing of several capabilities of consciousness that perhaps may include the alteration of one's frequency or change at the molecular level. Beyond even the academical accomplishments, nearly every culture who integrated 'shamanic' practice and reverence are those cultures whose collective gazes saw beyond the illusion of this world and understood their divine connection. Again, not surprising as oftentimes correct and focused usage of these sacraments will facilitate 'divine communion' experiences and a prolonged and sometimes perpetual lingering of this feeling of oceanic connectedness with the Universal Mind.

Allow me to cite Wikipedia to further elucidate my point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic...cal_record

Specifically speaking:

Aztecs: Entheogenic usage is very well documented as being prevalent in their civilization. The various species have been identified through their depiction on murals, vases, and other objects. The plants used include ololiuqui (Rivea Corymbosa seeds), tlitliltzin (Morning Glory seeds) teonanácatl (Psilocybe mushrooms), sinicuichi (Heimia salicifolia), toloatzin/tlapatl/mixitl (Datura spp.), peyote (Lophophora williamsii), pipiltzintzintli (allegedly Salvia Divinorum).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_use_of_entheogens

Olmecs: Considered the 'mother culture' of both the Aztecs and Mayans, reportedly used Bufo toads, whose venom could be collected and smoked considered that there is both bufotenin and more significantly 5-MeO-DMT present.

Mayans: The Maya (250 BCE to 900 CE) flourished in Central America and were prevalent even until the arrival of the Spanish. The Maya religious tradition is extremely complex and very well-developed. Unlike the Olmec, the Maya have religious texts that have survived to this day. The Maya religion displays characteristic Mesoamerican mythology, with a strong emphasis on an individual being a communicator between the physical world and the spiritual world. Mushroom stone effigies, dated to 1000 BCE, give evidence that mushrooms were at least revered in a religious way.
The late Maya archaeologist, Dr Stephan F. de Borhegyi, (better known by his contemporaries as Borhegyi) published the first of several articles in which he proposed the existence of a Mesoamerican mushroom cult in the Guatemalan highlands as early as 1000 B.C This cult, which was associated from its beginnings with ritual human decapitation, a trophy head cult, warfare and the Mesoamerican ballgame, appears to have had its origins along the Pacific coastal piedmont. Borhegyi developed this proposition after finding a significant number of small, mushroom-shaped sculptures in the collections of the Guatemala National Museum and in numerous private collections in and around Guatemala City. While the majority of these small stone sculptures were of indeterminate provenance, a sufficient number had been found during the course of archaeological investigations as to permit him to determine approximate dates and to catalog them stylistically (Borhegyi de, S.F., 1957b, "Mushroom Stones of Middle America," in Mushrooms, Russia and History by Valentina P. Wasson and Robert G. Wasson, eds. N.T.)
The most direct evidence of Maya entheogen use comes from modern descendents of the Maya who use entheogenic drugs today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic...ecord#Maya

Paleolithic (most relevant to the recent direction of the discussion): During the Paleolithic, there is ample evidence of drug use as seen by preserved botanical remains and coprolites. Some scholars suggest that the Shanidar Cave (a Paleolithic site in Iraq) Flower Burial shows evidence of a shamanic death ritual, but these claims are still being debated. The most direct evidence we have from the Paleolithic in terms of art comes from Tassili, Algeria. From this region, there are several therianthropic images portraying the painter and the animals around him as one (an often cited effect of many hallucinatory drugs, Ego death). One image, in particular, shows a man who has formed into one common form with a mushroom. There are several Paleolithic sites that display therianthropic imagery. However, there is some debate as to whether or not sites like Lascaux or Chauvet were entheogenically inspired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic...aleolithic

Ancient Indo-Europeans: This has been the subject of much debate and research but consensus opinion is that the highly revered Soma of the Rig Veda, one of the most ancient religious texts, is the Amanita Muscaria mushroom. There is a very comprehensive analysis with a vast presentation of much evidence lending credence to the aforementioned claim at this website: http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/

The Rig Veda is the world’s oldest and largest religious texts consisting of just over one thousand Hymns, containing over ten thousand verses divided into ten books. These Sacred Hymns are usually dated to the late Bronze Age, but many of these Hymns may actually be considerably older. The name Rig Veda means Praise (Rig) Knowledge (Veda), Veda is an ancient Indo-European root word that in many modern Indo-European Languages still means knowledge of a sacred nature. The Rig Veda is written in an archaic form of Sanskrit and is a foundation document in the studies of ancient Indo-European languages.

Traditionally the Rig Veda was hand written with ink, on Birch bark sheets that are then bound with wooden covers painted red. The Birch tree is not found on the plains of India and the Birch bark is imported from Kashmir and the Himalayan mountains. Birch trees are well known to be symbiotic with Amanita Muscaria and explain the link of this Holy Book made of Birch bark and Amanita Muscaria as the God Soma.

The drinkable, Immortal, living God, Soma, is mentioned in almost every one of the thousand Hymns as the preferred drink of both Gods and men. There are one hundred and fourteen Hymns specifically about Soma in book nine of the Rig Veda plus a few Soma hymns scattered through the other books of the Rig Veda.

These Sacred Hymns were composed by Soma intoxicated “Seers and Sages” living very intimately with nature and are rich in naturalistic poetic imagery and animal metaphors and also contain a multitude of names that specifically refer to the God Soma. Many of these Soma hymns ring with ecstatic praise of the Soma plant/god/drink. Some of these Hymns poetically describe the mountainous natural habitat and brilliant Red or Gold appearance of the Soma plant. Other Hymns describe the processing sequence of the Soma plant into the Soma drink in the Soma sacrifice ceremony. A few Hymns also contain clear references to healings and increased life spans of Soma users.

The secret of Magic cups or what we would call the Holy Grail is found scattered through the Hymns of book nine. The Seers and Sages that composed this book were experts on the Soma plant/drink/god and loudly proclaim the secret of Soma’s immortality, but to understand what they are saying, you have to know that Amanita Muscaria is the real Soma plant and that it is capable of being completely dried, rehydrated, pounded between stones, and turned into the gods own beloved juice, every drop of this Ambrosia can resurrect, and create a magic cup or larger magic vessel simply by a terra cotta or wooden cup being used to hold Soma. Only, with this knowledge can you begin to understand what these Sacred Hymns are really saying regarding Soma the “Immortal God”.

Native Americans: The common sacrament most widely known and prominently used by not all, but a fairly huge amount of tribes, is that of Peyote, San Pedro, and other cactuses with entheogenic qualities to facilitate visionary quests and other forms of divination.

South American: The most sacred medicine brew of the Amazon and many other regions has been Ayahuasca. Ayahuasca has been used in a number of countries in South and Central America, including Panama, Brasil, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia, and by at least seventy different indigenous peoples of the Americas. In the country of my parents, Brasil, I am fairly proud that there exist two religions there whose primary sacrament is Ayahuasca, those religions being Santo Daime and Uniao de Vegetal. It is viewed as spiritually cleansing medicine and I've seen an interview where one adherent of the religion reported that he feels as though he has access to 'complete universal knowledge'. The main constituents of the brew are traditionally Baanisteriopsis Caapi vine (literally the Vine of the Dead/Souls) (an MAOI) and the secondary ingredient is either chacruna (Psychotria viridis) or chagropanga (Diplopterys cabrerana), both plants which contain... DMT. I need not delve into the notion that DMT, an endogenous entheogenic neurotransmitter whose hypothesized function is the sustenance of all states of consciousness in this world, and alleged to be produced in the pineal gland. There is plenty of information on Ayahuasca out there, here are a few good sources: http://www.ayahuasca.com/ , http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/introduction/ , and of course, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

What is more unique about ayahuasca, is that the effects rely on a specific combination of two plants: Banisteriopsis caapi and chacruna (or chagropanga, depending on the region). How and when exactly the discovery of combining these two plants was made by native Americans remains unclear, although many tribes and shamans have their own mythical tales explaining this event. [such as the plants themselves informing them of this knowledge]

Second, the primary ingredient of chacruna and chagropanga is also a neurotransmitter found in all human beings and plays a key role in all kinds of extraordinary states of awareness. This neurotransmitter is called dimethyltryptamine, or DMT for short, and is found in the brain, blood, lungs and other parts of the human body. There is strong evidence pointing towards the pineal gland ("the third eye" in esoteric traditions), located in the center of the brain, as the main factory of human DMT. Apart from human beings, DMT can be found in every mammal and in a variety of plants.

Its divinatory effects, sense of spiritual cleansing and visionary states are largely unsurpassed and unparalleled, not surprising as it is essentially an oral DMT experience where the MAOI prevents/inhibits the enzymes from breaking the DMT down, which would otherwise occur from plain ingestion of this molecule.

Returning to my original point, one may make numerous inferences on why some cultures appeared to be 'in tune with nature', had a much more harmonious quality of existence, and a very ardent focus on the divine and spiritual nature of all things. One being, that the collective consciousness of those civilizations held a much higher vibrational frequency due predominately to their co-existence with nature and the implementation of consciousness raising substances (entheogen literally means 'generating/awakening the divine within').

It then is no surprise that there would be mass efforts to suppress and distort this knowledge and outlaw/taboo the usage of these substances. There is a hefty focus upon the material world and an overall lower vibrational level of consciousness that is prevalent in the US and many other regions that forbid usage of any sacrament or at the very least appointment of an individual who understands full well the manner in which to use these tools to achieve divine connection in order to benefit others, lumping them in with toxic narcotics such as heroin, meth, crack, etc.

I wonder how much more these civilizations could have accomplished if all the advanced scientific and quantum knowledge discovered today by the scientific community was known then? If these cultures had the intricate and detailed understanding of quantum physics, of all being vibration/energy, of frequencies, and entered these visionary states with that knowledge? Or, even better, if these states of being were entered using the information and knowledge relayed to us in recent times through the channeling of higher dimensional beings, which I speculate is a phenomenon which may have been known by these civilizations in the past. This is an unfounded speculation however and only a personal musing.

It is safe to say however, that one positive aspect of the divergence from collective spiritual and natural focus is that science and technology perhaps would not have evolved to the level they are at now. Although it is about time that science, metaphysics/theology/spirituality, entheogenic reverence and the esoteric converge in the pursuit of evolution of and better understanding of consciousness.

This returns back to indolering's statement that any transformation or shift in a being occurs at the molecular level and is a 'holographic shift' in the sense that, while the physical form remains the same, the vibrational frequency of one's field of consciousness undergoes such a drastic metamorphosis that certain capabilities become unlocked, thus giving the notion that one has 'transcended' or experienced some sort of unseen transformation known only to the one whom the transformation has been caused in.

It is unfortunate that the potentially beneficial implementation and conjoining of molecular/DNA research, quantum science, metaphysics, shamanism/entheogenic and psychonautical pursuits, the study of frequency, and other aspects into the focused effort to plumb consciousness and evolution thereof will not become a mainstream endeavor for who knows how long, but at the very least such may be accomplished by those daring minds whom may immerse themselves in these pursuits on an individual basis, exploring the many implications and hypothesis' concerning reality that few would consider and perhaps one day soon share all that these endeavors have revealed into a very comprehensive tutorial and text.

Those individuals who many regard as 'reptilian', the negative elite, the bloodline families, the unseen 'hidden hands', one can speculate that all of which I have spoken of above is well known to them. As for whether their practices involve implementation of the above elements, it is hard to say, but not completely a farfetched notion.

[Shin'Ar]

I think that certain sacraments also create opportunity by removing barriers of doubt and baggage from our fields. There are many things that hinder our abilities. And many of those things are genetic which it is possible that such sacrament can either activate or deactivate, probably at molecular levels.

as I said earlier, I think its not far fetched to suppose that there exists a species of hybrid reptilian/human makeup, when you consider that reptilian life existed on this planet many times longer than human by comparison.

is it really ludicrous to speculate that in all of those millions of years that a particular species of reptilian genes did not evolve into higher consciousness? if mammals could have why not reptiles? They certainly had alot longer period with which to work.

And if that could ahppen on Earth, than why not on another planet? Why is it so strange to consider that repitlian forms on venus or Mars or anywehere in the universe could not have achieved at least what has come about on Earth?

And if so having traveled beyond their origins had at least the same ability to manipulate genetics the way we do now.

Are we so arrogant about our place in the universe that we think that consideration that other life might be as accomplished or even more accomplished than us?

[indolering]

Good post, godwide.

I assume you're a fan of Terrence McKenna? He's good, and has done a lot of good in expounding the positive uses of psychedelics. My own mentor in this field, being a little older, was Tim Leary who taught the Sixties generation the proper uses of sacraments.

I agree with you that these substances have had a profound impact on human consciousness throughout the ages. I would add, however, that without the spiritual disciplines developed by various saints and sages, the sacraments would not have been nearly as effective in raising the consciousness of the race as a whole. There are times when a spiritual context is required for higher learning, such as yoga, tai chi, etc.

[neutral333]

It occurs to me now that David Icke's strange theories on reptiles and the moon make him even more credible to me becuaseof the following combination:
1. He is obviously intelligent, witty, and has a great sense of humor.
2. If he were trying to fool people out of ulterior motives (making money, serving a misinformation overlord, sounding credible) he would not be so vocal about these unnerving issues.

JMT (just my thoughts)

[godwide_void]

I think that certain sacraments also create opportunity by removing barriers of doubt and baggage from our fields. There are many things that hinder our abilities. And many of those things are genetic which it is possible that such sacrament can either activate or deactivate, probably at molecular levels.

as I said earlier, I think its not far fetched to suppose that there exists a species of hybrid reptilian/human makeup, when you consider that reptilian life existed on this planet many times longer than human by comparison.

is it really ludicrous to speculate that in all of those millions of years that a particular species of reptilian genes did not evolve into higher consciousness? if mammals could have why not reptiles? They certainly had alot longer period with which to work.

And if that could ahppen on Earth, than why not on another planet? Why is it so strange to consider that repitlian forms on venus or Mars or anywehere in the universe could not have achieved at least what has come about on Earth?

And if so having traveled beyond their origins had at least the same ability to manipulate genetics the way we do now.

Are we so arrogant about our place in the universe that we think that consideration that other life might be as accomplished or even more accomplished than us?

Speculation as it pertains to the possibility of higher beings and other forms of existence proves illogical for any member of this community to muse upon given the very nature and content of the advanced study everyone here is fixated upon. The human form is merely another phase of the Creation and is by no means the typical or representative form of being. The possibility of lifeforms resembling what we consider reptiles is not at all farfetched, neither is it outlandish to consider that there are beings who exist whose forms are in no sense bipedal or limited as we are. Indeed, perhaps there are beings whose entire being is comprised of galaxies and star systems, beings who resemble stars themselves, beings whose appearance is as a vast geometric pattern waltzing with many eyes. We cannot yet perceive of such forms except through imagination and speculation, yet it is not at all unlikely that the forms we envision of other instances of life to manifest as do exist as well as forms we cannot possibly dream of.

As for certain sacraments having the dual functions of removing barriers and creating new connections this is perceptive and correct. When one's consciousness is expanded various filters which constrain one's awareness and latent functionality vaporize and one's consciousness is allowed to 'expand' and become opened up to many new manners of perception and existence. There have been instances where I have perceived the vibratory nature of all around me via psychotropic-altered senses, and indeed residual enhanced perception lingers in my awareness of consciousness. It becomes possible and is indeed an extraordinary capability to undergo 'metaprogramming' when one's consciousness is expanded, in that one may systematically reconfigure one's personality, being, and unlocking, accessing and/or activating various features of consciousness that may remain as perpetual and incessant modifications if the reprogramming is successfully accomplished. In this way the boundaries that restrict one to consensus reality or one mode of being are broken and one's field of consciousness is allowed to expand into other venues of being, both literally and metaphorically.

One very exemplary instance of the aforementioned notion is my personal singular experience of perceiving the totality of the All; every filter which prevents perception of the true nature of things became entirely and throroughly eradicated, and my consciousness was allowed to experience pervading perception into the deepest depths of being and observed the omnipresent observer. Whether it was a case of involution or immersion into my pineal, an accessing of cellular memory, or merely a matter of my consciousness observing its true form, the technicality and semantics are now of very little concern to me as the significance is that this event occurred and everything has been changed forever. This event would not have been had not the barriers been broken and new connections were made. Molecular technology is perhaps the most advanced form of technology that the human has access to, and ironically enough it was not the human whom played a role in its conception as these things predated humanity's existence for millenia. Then, we come into existence already with the various neurotransmitters and receptors necessary to allow these technologies to take an effect?

It is no coincidence whatsoever that they exist and are able to effect our minds and our consciousness in the way which they do. They are the keys to the akasha and to the attainment of higher and evolved states of being while in this human form, to allow remembrance of our true natures and to utilize the many latent capabilities of our being which we would not be able to access otherwise but only through the symbiosis of the human computer and software of nature.

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Good post, godwide.

I assume you're a fan of Terrence McKenna? He's good, and has done a lot of good in expounding the positive uses of psychedelics. My own mentor in this field, being a little older, was Tim Leary who taught the Sixties generation the proper uses of sacraments.

I agree with you that these substances have had a profound impact on human consciousness throughout the ages. I would add, however, that without the spiritual disciplines developed by various saints and sages, the sacraments would not have been nearly as effective in raising the consciousness of the race as a whole. There are times when a spiritual context is required for higher learning, such as yoga, tai chi, etc.

As it turns out I recently began reading through McKenna's book "Food of the Gods" and indeed when I first began researching dimethyltryptamine ages ago his lectures and descriptions of the experience served as the basis for my drastically piqued interest. I admit I have not delved too deeply into Leary although I have studied the work of his peers (Angel Tech, Be Here Now) and his own 8 circuit model of consciousness. When you say mentor, do you imply that you personally knew him or he was the model whom you used as the foundation for your understandings and what have you?

I also agree wholeheartedly with your addition, as without those individuals who truly knew how to navigate through these realms, maintain composure and perform effective work within these states of being then we would not be having this discussion, would we? Indeed, this present generation of psychonaut owes its bearing entirely both to the shamans who completely understood, revered, and effectively used these sacraments for divinatory, spiritual, consciousness raising work and the Western culture, being more scientifically and technically minded, who have layed out the in-depth studies of consciousness, vibration, frequency, etc. My focus is a blending of the reverential approach of the ecstatic and divinely touched shaman, the technological and digital tinge of the computer hacker (though I have little proficiency in this actual field), and the esoteric and theosophical basis of the illuminist. Thus why I have sometimes referred to the states I have achieved as having 'accessed the debugging mode of consciousness'.

The saints, sages, shamans, seers, psychonauts, tai chi/qi gong masters, yogis, yoga practitioners, meditators, scientists of every discipline, religious zealots, every advocate and proponent of any mystical state and seeker of truth of reality beyond this illusion in any capacity, whether induced by these sacraments or otherwise, has paved the way for our particular eschatological generation to transcend, for this very goal to be within our grasp. We are at the point when all crossroads have converged, where all teachings and knowledge may be drawn upon and conjoined, so as to effectuate the goal that every one of these paths sought but could not individually achieve with just one methodology. Indeed, the greatest potential of our era is the ability to blend every single facet together into an all-encompassing "transcendental methodology".

Although at the point in time we currently find ourselves in, such an event of ascension will occur naturally of its own accord, however it does not hurt whatsoever to prepare beforehand on all fronts and make the most of the state our reality is now in, of a massive influx of energy, of the heightened vibratory rate of reality, of the natural and incessant mass awakening occurring worldwide.

Indeed, the dream we currently dream we owe completely to all the dreamers who dreamed before us and added their own dreams and elements to the mass dream we share together.

[indolering]

It occurs to me now that David Icke's strange theories on reptiles and the moon make him even more credible to me becuaseof the following combination:
1. He is obviously intelligent, witty, and has a great sense of humor.
2. If he were trying to fool people out of ulterior motives (making money, serving a misinformation overlord, sounding credible) he would not be so vocal about these unnerving issues.

JMT (just my thoughts)

I agree. Though there are plenty of people who are attracted to the ET/reptilian agenda, generally speaking most folks are dismissive of his reptilian theory and tend to discount him altogether. It does speak to his credibility that he presents the evidence he's found and openly draws his conclusions without regard for fame or fortune. Of course he's doing much better now (after 20+ years) but as you may know he was mercilessly ridiculed in the early days for some of his far out ideas. His story is inspiring as it displays remarkable courage and perseverance in the face of wide condemnation.
In the final analysis his work is important not because of the reptilian aspect of the conspiracy (however true or false it may be) but because of his expert expose of the collusion of elite bloodlines who seek to take full possession of the planet.

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@ godwide_void

No, I never knew Leary personally - but I've read most everything he wrote and found much of it very helpful in my own journey.

It's true - we have a unique opportunity here at the end of an age where a profusion of spiritual disciplines have been made available, and wherein we may synthesize these valuable traditions into a cohesive system which feels right to us. The sacraments have played a major role in humanity's religious quest throughout the ages - Aldous Huxley said they were a 'gratuitous grace'. They're not essential for spiritual development, but most people could, in a supportive setting, benefit from such an experience.

[godwide_void]

Quite the trippy piece you posted there, indolering! Regarding your last point, indeed entheogenic sacraments are not necessary for spiritual evolution and progress, and it is highly suggested that one establish a solidified divine/spiritual connection in the baseline state of consciousness first as this is perhaps a major prerequisite to being afforded the ability to properly utilize these sacraments for effective work in altered states of being. Individuals who come to a point where they are able to experience heightened states and access their innate supernatural abilities in sober states and methods are applauded as they convey the simple truth that there exist numerous paths to reach a similar destination.

However, I would make the comparison of the right hand path of religion and the left hand path as analogous to this. One may only get so far on the restrictive, capped-off right path until it becomes realized at the peak of this path that it is only by switching to the left hand path that one may continue to plumb the sought mysteries to an abysmal degree. Such is the road of spiritual evolution and achieving transcendent states. For those individuals who have experienced much spiritual growth, the option of utilizing all one has learned into practical means becomes available. Consciousness-altering molecular technologies are vital benefactors for and towards this end. One's intentions would shift from seeking answers, desiring an alteration of being for the sake of it, mental exploration, or to attempt to unlock something, to using these keys as tools in the purest sense with the acknowledgment that there are certain functions which one cannot fully wield mastery over in a normal state which these tools provide activation and facilitation of and the focus of seeking to do "magical workings" in these states which thus become entered.

If it is understood that all in consciousness is comprised of energy, vibrations, and frequencies, one then realizes from musing upon these sacraments and our interaction with them that they are nothing more than external frequency programs and lines of energetic vibrational code that one may upload into their consciousness database via various routes of administration. It all simply depends upon the sort of operating system one's particular consciousness runs on and what that consciousness intends and seeks to will into manifestation. One may examine the nature of experience which a shaman achieves and contrast it with that of an individual with little aim or purpose in seeking the alteration of consciousness other than recreation. The latter may have little to no spiritual discipline or understanding and no proper and cohesive referential or experiential foundation from which to draw upon in order to navigate through the experience, thus disorientation and confusion ensues. The shaman, on the other hand, may be considered as already existing in a psychedelic/entheogenic state of mind and being while sober and most likely spent much time and dedication to cultivate themselves to achieve that point. In conjunction with their powerful experiences, these would obviously imprint themselves into the shaman's approach and disposition and further perpetuate their heightened state while sober.

Thus, when the shaman seeks to enter an altered state of consciousness he is more accurately achieving an altered state of divinity as he is already aware of the precise mechanics of what is actually happening when he becomes altered and how he may utilize this state to effectuate his goal of unleashing his innate abilities which he understands can be more fully accessed and used through his chosen venue of manifestation. Hence why many shamans become endowed with the ability to heal, to commune with external entities, to extract data from the ether and return "knowing" certain things, to alter matter with the mind, to transfer thoughts to others in the immediate vicinity (merely the subconscious aspect of one field of consciousness etherically relaying energetic data to another field, in this case thoughts), to have seeming control over the elements, to be able to scan the minds of others, among many other capabilities. It must be remembered that these are innate abilities all human beings have access to, however its conscious accession is hindered by the barriers of the conscious mind. As previously mentioned, molecular technology serves to shatter these barriers and allow the expansion of one's mental node, thus one finds that one's 'powers' become unlocked.

Of course, when one hears of reports of shamanic practice, in most cases it is in the context of the shaman using these powers to benefit the community of which he is apart of, giving rise to the notion that the shaman understands the divinity present in all and realizes that utilizing one's powers to serve others is perhaps the "proper" usage of them, although not everyone who attains an incredible degree of mastery over these 'third eye abilities' does so for positive goals, for I myself was once the victim of malevolent psychic attack quite some time ago by a fellow with quite extraordinary handling of his third eye and his affecting of consciousness, although his being was situated in disturbing darkness. From this perceived defeat, I have learned very much, and from my personal acute observation of every aspect of his assault unto my mind I became aware of what is possible, and have been propelled to the realization that this is a goal worth pursuing and a hypothesis which may thus hold its weight in water.

Given all of what I have stated, I believe that I must stress the importance that not every mind will benefit from excursions into altered states of consciousness, nor will every explorer of consciousness become an instant telepath or a shamanic wizard from a few trips or guided meditations in these states. In fact, one shouldn't even consider experimentation with them for these goals unless the utmost discipline and responsibility is exerted, and one proceeds without any prior societal conditioning that may circumvent one's desired results or intended workings. It takes a certain breed of individual to seek to emulate the shamanic path and be successful in so doing. If one enters these states with the subconscious notion that "I'm going to have a trip or be on a random drug and hallucinate random oddities" then obviously that is what will occur, and one has already ensured failure if one's end goals is to emulate the shamanic path.

Thought, belief, will, intent, the principles of the Law of Attraction are perpetually in flux. If one believes that these tools are holy sacraments that may result in theosis, if one intends to achieve divine communion or accessing one's innate consciousness capabilities, if one wills this desire into existence, and one believes without faltering that such is possible, and retains these charged thoughts at the forefront and background of the mind, one will bear witness to the intended result and indeed anything becomes possible. It is all a matter of focus, fine-tuned and sharpened focus.

The extent to which the conditioning of the mass mind in regards to psychoactive substances is evident when one speaks out against them in a manner that indicates one believes in the various stigmas associated with this subject. In ancient times, those who spoke zealously of the divine attributes present within their chosen sacrament did so because this is what they came to know through direct experience, and did not feel guilt or worry on how they might be perceived by others for indeed all others in their community did not have the preconceived notion that this fellow ingesting this or that is doing something 'wrong' or 'poisoning' himself, for many of the natural entheogens are hundreds of times safer to imbibe in then say, alcohol, cigarettes, fluoride, high fructose corn syrup, processed foods, what have you. Thus why there exists a certain comical and sardonic irony to the many who say "I don't do drugs, just alcohol and/or weed and/or cigarettes" and sneer at or dismiss those plant teachers whose benefits far outweigh their chosen vices. Thus, why many who tread the spiritual path come to the conclusion that psychotropic substances are 'wrong' to ingest or have no value or find no interest in them as potential beneficial tools, given that the wide-spread propaganda implemented by the negative elite who seek to keep the wool over the eyes of many to bastardize these etheric keys and obfuscate their true functions and benefits has been most successful as well as the push to facilitate a mass poisoning of the people, glorifying cigarettes and consumption of beer, legalizing them, making people think they are 'right' to do and it's 'okay' to introduce these horrid toxins into the sacred altar of the self, yet union with those sacraments which facilitate the generation and unleashing of the divine essence within is illegal and 'wrong'.

It is of little concern to me how I am thus viewed for my ardent declaration of molecular technology as highly effective ways to attain catharsis, purification, theosis/divine communion, rapid evolution, extreme veil penetration and activating of 'supernatural abilities' if used extremely responsibly and moderately, all of which I may attest to, for I do so with the hopes that I may offer my self as catalyst in regards to pointing any with a prior predilection to these ideas or simply whom my words resonant with as to how one may achieve greater degrees of evolution of being by sharing my understanding and the various methodologies I have come to be aware of which facilitate the above goals which are much in accordance with what is sought after from countless spiritual disciplines and practices.

[indolering]

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You're quite the devotee of the shamanic/psychedelic path. There are a few ideas in your post I might take exception to – however, this isn't really the thread to explore this topic in depth so I won't say too much more about it.

I would draw your attention to a few of the pioneers in the field. A few divergent perspectives is usually a good thing to expand our own vision of the possible.
The series by Carlos Castaneda, beginning with The Teachings of Don Juan, A Yaqui Way Of Knowledge.
Alan Watts, The Joyous Cosmology.
Tim Leary, The Politics Of Ecstasy, High Priest, and Psychedelic Prayers
John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom And The Cross

There are many more, I can p.m. you if you like.


Lords of the Revolution - The Early Years

[kanonathena]

Anyone can enlighten me why the reptilian? I mean what is evil about being a reptilian? Is it being "ugly" (to a human) and evolving towards STO a coincidence or a connection? I do believe our looks is a manifestation of our inner self, but is it the case here?

If so, I would assume that reptilian animals like snakes are innocent, reptilian entities turned out that way either due to this spiritual principle or simply some environmental factor?

[Ali Quadir]

I don't think all reptiles are bad. There's claimed to be a specific group in the orion belt somewhere that is particularly STS oriented. And particularly famous on earth. Because they tend to be abusive to earths humans. But it's not every reptile out there.

And even this you have to take with a grain of salt.
Loads of myths, very little evidence.

[Ashim]

Anyone can enlighten me why the reptilian? I mean what is evil about being a reptilian? Is it being "ugly" (to a human) and evolving towards STO a coincidence or a connection? I do believe our looks is a manifestation of our inner self, but is it the case here?

If so, I would assume that reptilian animals like snakes are innocent, reptilian entities turned out that way either due to this spiritual principle or simply some environmental factor?

Snake is lying in the sun, minding it's own business.
Along comes human and steps on snake.
Snake bites human out of self defence / instinct.
Human dies painful death but manages to tell story to others about snake bite before snuffing it.
Snake becomes public enemy #1.

[Ali Quadir]

Yes... Except these snakes were not lying in their own grass on their own planets minding their own business..

Were they?

[Ashim]

Yes... Except these snakes were not lying in their own grass on their own planets minding their own business..

Were they?

True. I guess it all comes down to the creational myth that the originators of this universe were told.
Those who played the light were told - go forth and integrate, the dark representitives (reptilian /carian) were told - go forth and conquer.
In the polarity game you must get the sides opposing each other by thinking they are both 'doing right'.
Still have sympathy for that snake though.

[Ali Quadir]

Still have sympathy for that snake though.

It'd be sad indeed... Except that it never really happened that way did it? The snake is hardly public enemy #1... And I don't know of any cultures where it was...

Which is kinda amazing considering it's dangerous venom

[Shin'Ar]

I urge you all to consider Godwide's post with great attention as it is made through a source that has spoken some deep and ancient truths.

It does seem to leave the topic to a degree but I would hate seeker's to miss out on this opportunity to hear ancient wisdom spoken.

Having pointed that out I will also add to what he has said with this:

Throughout our history information such as this has been kept secret from the masses and revealed only to those who became enlightened enough to begin walking the left hand path of wakefulness. (or the middle path for those who insist on thinking the left hand path to be one of evil).

These secrets were hidden in symbols and schools of mystery and the practices of such things were done in accordance with those ancient teachings which were very ordered and structured with regard to timing and quantity.

The opposite reflection to that would be seen in those right hand path followers who would fall victim to spiritual chaos and regard it as being 'in the spirit', when in reality they were simply totally letting themselves go to their own desires and suggestions of those they chose to idolize.

This is NOT the way of truly imbibing sacraments.

One does not just let themselves go to the point of not being in control of their faculties. It is true as Godwide points out, that our brains and intelligence can be somewhat of a barrier to the true experience of the higher consciousness. But our consciousness is also our wisdom, and the source of the memory of our experiences, as well as the access to other fields of consciousness which should always be our ultimate goal. To be in control of the consciousness and able to interact in a stable and focused manner is what makes the difference between an oblivious experience like some voodoo ritual, or charismatic tongue wagging , and one of learning and sharing.

So it is crucial not to overdose and debilitate that experience, and it is also as important to attempt it with appropriate timing. Environment, mental state, foreknowledge and application are all crucial to sacramental experiences.

It is true that the physical affects at the molecular levels will be experienced regardless of awareness. Anyone can get stoned. Anyone can cause their physical makeup to experience changes via intake of external material. And the same opportunity is there and possible positive experiences are also an option. The opposite can also be experienced.

But to partake of such things in an informed atmosphere under strict preparation and awareness, opens doors of opportunity and experiences that will be clearly realized instead of chaotically experienced.

When you come to a very narrow doorway hidden in deep fog you can force your self through it and fall blindly into whatever resides on the other side unprepared and vulnerable to those influences. Or you can take the time to feel around and discern the environment before you enter through carefully, and pay close attention to every aspect of your surrounding as you become a part of it.

Those people who go crazy in their churches claiming to be under the influence of the Spirit, have simply allowed themselves to fall through that doorway.

The Shaman sitting quietly next to the fire while his spirit soars with the eagle, has stepped through that passage with great caution and clarity.

I think that this is the actual characteristic that enhances the experiences of those who are born with a greater quantity of reptilian genetics coding. This has nothing to do with consciousness or spirit. It has to do with access of physical options which increase the ability to experience spiritual states with greater clarity. Their intuitive abilities are heightened, not because of evolved consciousness but because of genetic structure. These do not have to be wise or have highly evolved consciousnesses. But they do have powerful intuitive attributes which offer them greater opportunities to experience the metaphysical.

And these are sought out by those who manage to find their way into the elite societies.

This reptilian/extraterrestrial DNA is found throughout all of humanity as we are all rooted in it to some degree. But there are those who are born into a much greater degree of it. And this enables them to acquire things that most others cannot.

This elite society has been at work behind the scenes of human existence for as long as we can imagine, and it is only logical for them to seek out incarnations of high reptilian coding that can benefit their cause.

Not all become associated with the elite. Many become serpent masters. Many simply go through life being aware of their higher abilities and never really taking advantage of them. Many use them for the good of humanity and many use them for their own self interests.

But in my humble opinion we are all serpents to some degree. It is not how much DNA we carry that defines us. It is how we apply our attributes that define us.

Remind yourselves of this when you try to categorize the reptile and the human into different camps.

[indolering]

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Not a new video (from Dec 2011) nor a new concept from David but the same general explanation he's given all along - that the shift is holographic although one's DNA permits one to do this. David's cogent explanation of shapeshifting begins at 10:45, though the whole video is good.

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@ Shin'Ar:

I agree with much of what you say - my background differs from yours somewhat and I see this in how you interpret some of these concepts. But in general I'd say we agree on much of it.
I suggest you might benefit from some of Icke's videos as he has helped me to put these far-flung ideas into a meaningful whole.

The reptilians are not inherently bad nor are humans inherently stupid. In our Universe of many dimensions and time-space realities there are good, loving creatures of most all races, and there are some who choose the path of service to self.
As Icke points out, in our present 'reality' a negative race of interdimensional reptilians have invaded this planet with the intent of extreme exploitation. For humanity, this is unacceptable. They must depart at once. And so they shall. But each of us must play our part - we have help from on high, for this conflict occurs on other levels also - but each of us who possess a measure of clarity and truth has a responsibility to actively participate in this transition.

The sacraments are a great gift from the Creator. Their great purpose of course is initiation and healing. There is a time and place for such things....:idea:

[AnthroHeart]

GV, your insight into the shamanic path was very revealing.
Would you say that shamans who practice healing, and doing their talents are walking a left-hand path?
To be sure, that's the path of self-development, correct?

[godwide_void]

When you come to a very narrow doorway hidden in deep fog you can force your self through it and fall blindly into whatever resides on the other side unprepared and vulnerable to those influences. Or you can take the time to feel around and discern the environment before you enter through carefully, and pay close attention to every aspect of your surrounding as you become a part of it.

Those people who go crazy in their churches claiming to be under the influence of the Spirit, have simply allowed themselves to fall through that doorway.

The Shaman sitting quietly next to the fire while his spirit soars with the eagle, has stepped through that passage with great caution and clarity.

Shin'Ar's addition speaks the truth in all points made, the above being an especially potent verse of wisdom that conveys the marked contrast between those who may walk to and fro dissonant worlds at will with the knowledge held prior of what awaits one, what the destination will be in the general sense, and the manner in which to perform the intended works in the altered state. The prominent degrees of traversing realms manifests as the middle ground of the experience in which the altered state is entered where the circumstance is that a higher state is held while still grounded and conscious in the 'lower' or baseline realm.

For those who seek to perform acts of plant-assisted healing, to execute manifestations or to perform magical workings (e.g. bending the will of another with the mind as I was once on the receiving end of, transmitting thoughts or sharing a group mind, creating objects or projectiles of energy, etc.) this state is crucial to achieve in that grounding is retained yet the consciousness soars high. The second degree is that of the state where large quantities of the sacrament are ingested to result in a physically and involuntarily catatonic state, typically in order to perform 'deeper' work such as immersing oneself into extra-dimensional realities, accessing parallel realities, out of body experiences, venturing inwards to achieve contact with one's inner essence, 'doing work' in the abysmal jeweled chambers of the clearing one accesses or merely to attain direct experiences of hidden truths which lie beyond those experiences afforded in consensus reality.

GV, your insight into the shamanic path was very revealing.
Would you say that shamans who practice healing, and doing their talents are walking a left-hand path?
To be sure, that's the path of self-development, correct?

Although shamans do not generally concern themselves with this dichotomy of left and right hand paths, the shamanic practice would be considered a left hand path system as dogma is non-existent and faith is not baseless as it is entirely dependent upon and determined by the direct experiences which the shaman has undergone. Their works cannot be accomplished through faith alone, for they know what energy they are working with and they have perceived and understood that which they honor and seek to revere in, by, and through their practice. However, what constitutes a shaman goes far beyond merely understanding the functions and proper usage of certain plants and the ability to utilize these states brought about by these tools to their fullest mystical extent. Though this is a generalization, the shaman co-exists and lives in harmony with nature, being at one with him/herself and the world around them, understanding that the essence of both is one in the same. The shaman of a community typically acts as mediator, healer, patriarch, adviser and esoteric peacekeeper.

However, not all shamans use their power for benevolent purposes and practice dark sorcery for their own selfish and perhaps wicked ends, this analogous to what Shin'Ar spoke of in his relaying of the notion that not all those whose powers, capabilities, knowledge of truth and level of consciousness are equal to or surpassing of those of the negative elite join the elite, but rather become proponents of the personal practice of the left hand path (as Serpent Masters) or merely wandering and humble individuals who cultivate enormous power in order to one day benefit the entire planet. Interesting to note is that the term "shaman" is a general umbrella term and the vast majority of communities and cultures where there exist a 'shaman' do not call them 'shamans'. This term is only used because it most easily communicates the only slightly accurate concept of 'old wise medicine man at one with nature who ingests plants and does magical and mystical miracles thereafter'. In reality their practice and system are so much more, they are generally traditionally-minded as it pertains to their tribe or community and more often than not they are indigenous.

I in no way consider myself a 'true' shaman although I have aligned myself somewhat sardonically and not entirely seriously with being a neo/urban shaman in that my focus, intentions and approach and when I engage in my personal practice share similar elements with that of a 'shaman', also considering that I am not Caucasian and have a great deal of indigenous blood coursing through my veins which, although I doubt plays too much of a role in my current disposition, interests, connections and capabilities, is incentive enough to cause me to seek to connect with my current life's ancestral roots and emulate their practice (i.e. Ayahuasqueros of the Brasilian Amazon). In reality, my practice is unorthodox and circumstantial and nowhere near as refined and highly developed relative to that of my ancestor's but then again I don't lack daily life obligations and responsibilities nor do I have virtually unlimited time and freedom to spend my days in jungles/forests sipping Ayahuasca in pursuit of enlightenment/divine gnosis, transcendence, and superior shamanic/psychic ability (although I still do and have managed to work towards and achieve to varying degrees such goals), yet in the few times I am able to spend my time in and connect with the beauty of nature are cherished and the fewer times I've imbibed Ayahuasca were unfortunately not in the beautiful setting which should generally accompany its usage, although the main functions, results and effects manifest primarily internally.

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The reptilians are not inherently bad nor are humans inherently stupid. In our Universe of many dimensions and time-space realities there are good, loving creatures of most all races, and there are some who choose the path of service to self.

As Icke points out, in our present 'reality' a negative race of interdimensional reptilians have invaded this planet with the intent of extreme exploitation. For humanity, this is unacceptable. They must depart at once. And so they shall. But each of us must play our part - we have help from on high, for this conflict occurs on other levels also - but each of us who possess a measure of clarity and truth has a responsibility to actively participate in this transition.

The sacraments are a great gift from the Creator. Their great purpose of course is initiation and healing. There is a time and place for such things....:idea:

I am heavily in agreement with you especially in that these sacraments are gifts manifested by the Creator to help us remember and re-experience our true natures by initiating us into the majestic mystery of nature and unlocking our innate capabilities and also that those aligned with the light who have become aware and are capable of what forces would seek to harness and disperse ruin should make their stand when the time is ready. Perhaps the endeavors oriented in the former would greatly empower pursuit of the latter...? :idea:

I also have not yet finished watching your posted video in its entirety although it is very intriguing material and I will comment on it when I have completed it.

[Shin'Ar]

Are the original Anunnaki still residing in this realm?

Who knows?

Is their legacy prevalent?

Absolutely.

Are they one vibration of the countless many that spawn from the One?

Yes.

All is One.

Their interaction with us is a perfect reflection of our own with the One.