Inner Planes

[Infinite]

Hi. What is the inner planes? What is your definition about this?

The plans of the esoteric traditions (etheric, astral, mental, causal, budhic, etc.) are parts exclusive of 3D?

So, any density have 7 of this inner planes?

Thanks.

[AnthroHeart]

Inner planes = astral = time/space = Otherworlds in Celtic Shamanism (not sure if there are Otherworlds for each density)

Yes all 7 densities have a time/space, but as you get higher in the density, it leans more towards pure time/space, whereas 1D is pure space/time.

[Infinite]

My doubt is because of that:

The fourth density is an etheric world to you, but a very real one to fourth-density beings. When you travel there in your astral body, it seems real to you, too, but on your return any memories seem unreal—like a dream.

Second the Confederation's contact, during the sleep we go to fourth density. Astral plane = fourth density?

[Henosis]

From my understanding, the inner planes are the higher densities.

The inner planes of our 3D experience would be like densities 4-7, with the Creator or Logos being at the heart of the seventh (the eighth).

In my opinion, a solid way to visualize this is to draw a dot surrounded by 7 concentric circles. The outer most layer is the first density and the innermost layer is the seventh. You are currently within the third outermost layer. The dot in the middle is the Logos, tthe Creator, or the octave density.

All of these "planes" exist inside of you but within your unconscious. You can venture into these planes and make the unconscious more conscious.

I feel whenever you are in vey deep concentrated thought, beings on these inner planes are assisting and guiding your thought process. The higher the level of purity of intent, the more "contact" which is made with the inner planes.

[Infinite]

From my understanding, the inner planes are the higher densities.

I was really asking for a answer about the correspondence bewteen the densities and the planes. So, in this moment the sincronicity answered me and I found an interesting text. Second the source I was right in my first post on my thread (https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=13349):

Physical Plane - 3D
Eteric Plane - 4D
Astral and Mental Planes - 5D
Causal Plane - 6D
Buddhic Plane - 7D
Atmic Plane = 8D or Dimensional re-fusion?

Here is the text (a passage from the book "The Extraterrestrial Vision" by Gina Lake):

Nonphysical and Extraterrestrial Helpers

Before going into this, it might be helpful to clarify who we are and who we mean by "nonphysical beings." Nonphysical beings include fifth-density beings (spirit guides and others on the higher astral plane), sixth-density beings (spirit teachers and others on the causal plane, the plane beyond the astral), and seventh density beings (beings on the buddhic plane, the plane beyond the causal).We are a sixth-density entity on the mid-causal plane, where both teachers for people on Earth and guides to spirit guides can be found.
  Just as spirit guides are assigned to each of you, we are assigned to watch over the work of several spirit guides. We teach them how to improve their work with people. We are particularly involved with spirit guides who are working with Star People and Walk-ins, since their work relates most to Earth's transformation. Similarly, seventh density beings oversee the work we sixth-density beings are doing.

5D = higher astral plane
6D = causal plane
7D = buddhic plane

So, I suppose that 3D is physical plane and 4D is etheric plane. All this make much sense.

Peace, love and light.

Peace, love and light.

[anagogy]

Hi. What is the inner planes? What is your definition about this?

The plans of the esoteric traditions (etheric, astral, mental, causal, budhic, etc.) are parts exclusive of 3D?

So, any density have 7 of this inner planes?

Thanks.

Nonphysical and Extraterrestrial Helpers
Before going into this, it might be helpful to clarify who we are and who we mean by "nonphysical beings." Nonphysical beings include fifth-density beings (spirit guides and others on the higher astral plane), sixth-density beings (spirit teachers and others on the causal plane, the plane beyond the astral), and seventh density beings (beings on the buddhic plane, the plane beyond the causal).We are a sixth-density entity on the mid-causal plane, where both teachers for people on Earth and guides to spirit guides can be found.
  Just as spirit guides are assigned to each of you, we are assigned to watch over the work of several spirit guides. We teach them how to improve their work with people. We are particularly involved with spirit guides who are working with Star People and Walk-ins, since their work relates most to Earth's transformation. Similarly, seventh density beings oversee the work we sixth-density beings are doing.

This quote is relatively undistorted from my perspective (though it extends the astral a bit too far), until it starts talking about 7th density beings. There are no 7th density beings. There is only one 7th density being: the Logos.

There are beings on the "Buddhic Plane", but they are not 7th density, unless we are talking about the one Logos, whom resides on every plane.

But as for planes in general, just as the physical plane is not owned exclusively by the 3rd density, neither are any of the other planes (though each density has a "natural place" where the consciousness of that vibration naturally drifts to given no expression of will -- for example red ray naturally resonates withe physical plane, and yellow ray naturally resonates with the middle astral). When a a being dies, it drifts to where its consciousness naturally resonates with. Spiritual beings (heart activated beings) naturally drift to the higher astral (heaven worlds). Animals naturally drift to the lower astral at death.

What you call a given inner plane is really a matter of what you personally prefer, but the occult nomenclature I've resonated with the most is:

violet = buddhic
indigo = causal
blue = devachanic
green = higher astral
yellow = middle astral
orange = lower astral
red = etheric/physical [the etheric is simply the body you have regardless of whether you are incarnate or not -- think of it as your "immortal physical body"].

It is the part that "plugs into" the physical apparatus -- someday science will be able to physically detect this body. It is also the part that is ejected out of your body during traumatic near death experiences. It is very difficult to get this body away from your physical body unless your body is almost dead (it holds your life force in). When you astral project, this body kind of just hangs around your physical body, in orbit, while the inner gooey contents of your astral body goes off on all sorts of wacky adventures. You could probably learn to project in this body, but I suspect it would amount to gambling with your life to do so since it is the body that enervates the physical body to keep on living.

[Aion]

When you see the outer, your eyes are opened. When you see the inner, your eyes are closed. When you see the outer, your eyes are two. When you see the inner, the eye is one.

[Infinite]

This quote is relatively undistorted from my perspective (though it extends the astral a bit too far)

In all sources that use the term "density", 4D  is described as a physical environment. The higher astral is nonphysical. And this is the description of the 5D. Makes sense for me.

until it starts talking about 7th density beings. There are no 7th density beings. There is only one 7th density being: the Logos.

There are beings on the "Buddhic Plane", but they are not 7th density, unless we are talking about the one Logos, whom resides on every plane.

Well, I always believed that Ra's teachers was from 7D:

81.16 Questioner: Ra states that it has knowledge of only this octave, but it seems that Ra has complete knowledge of this octave.

Can you tell me why this is?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we do not have complete knowledge of this octave. There are portions of the seventh density which, although described to us by our teachers, remain mysterious. Secondly, we have experienced a great deal of the available refining catalyst of this octave, and our teachers have worked with us most carefully that we may be one with all, that in turn our eventual returning to the great allness of creation shall be complete.

Very thanks for your answer!

Peace, love and light.

[sjel]

But as for planes in general, just as the physical plane is not owned exclusively by the 3rd density, neither are any of the other planes.

Very cool - so the higher the density, the less limitation and the more options a being has for exploration. Meaning that even in sixth density one may experience something purely physical? Concentrating all of the sixth density energy and focus into the pure physical plane? But of course without a veil.

[Infinite]

Very cool - so the higher the density, the less limitation and the more options a being has for exploration. Meaning that even in sixth density one may experience something purely physical? Concentrating all of the sixth density energy and focus into the pure physical plane? But of course without a veil.

According the books of Gina Lake the last density where exists "physicality" is 4D. However, is possible to materialize yourself in more dense dimensions.

[Nau7ik]

I'll share my understanding which is: there is the incarnate phase and the discarnate phase of each density. Space/time has its analog of time/space, the two are inseparable. Each density has 7 sub densities that can be continued infinitely. The sub densities exist in both space/time and time/space. We might better understand this concept with a reference to consciousness. Our consciousness places us in the appropriate density and sub density. For example, we humans are in 3.7 right now in our 3D cycle. Our consciousness is much more complex than one who has just harvested from second density and begins the density of self awareness in 3.1. After we die and move on to the healing phase, we move into the appropriate inner planes, these planes range from hell to heaven. It's our choosing and based on life choices and state of mind. Inner planes are the metaphysical, and outer planes are the physical.

Fourth density has physical and metaphysical planes just as we do. But their density is more full of light and love, they no longer have the need for heavy chemical bodies, but they still have physical bodies, physical light bodies. To us, this may appear to be not so physical.

[Infinite]

Carla: What’s the basic difference between inner planes and outer planes?

I am Latwii, and am aware of your query, my sister. As an entity moves from the, as they have been called, inner plane experiences toward that which is called the outer plane experience, an entity moves from that which might be termed the metaphysical in purity to the physical in purity. This is to say that an entity will be moving from the inner plane of the nonphysical to the outer plane of the physical. The differentiation between these terms and states of being is that of the denseness of light contained within the inner plane and the denseness of matter and illusion contained in the outer plane.


Carla: Then you and angels are both inner plane beings or entities, right?

For your purposes and according to your perceptions, this is so, yet this is so in a relative manner, for in our own illusion we inhabit a portion of what you may call a higher density, which also has its own so-called outer plane or space/time portion of experience. In your way of perceiving this experience, it would appear that we would be the same as an entity inhabiting the inner planes of your own planetary influence, for both experiences are much more filled with light than is your own, and are much less filled with the manifestation of illusion than is your own.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm not sure if nonphysical means without form. On the astral plane there are forms. But objects can travel through one another. I think this is what nonphysical is.

[loostudent]

As I understand densities have inner planes (time/space) and outer planes (space/time). So 3D has also its inner planes.

[Praxis]

Densities belonging to an individuals ability to attune to such strings of refinement in consciousness?

[Jeremy]

This entire transcript goes into great detail of the inner planes.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1008.aspx

Let us speak about the inner-planes masters, so called. These are entities which have personally evolved to be harvestable to fourth density who have instead chosen to remain discarnate and to turn back and aid those of third density. These entities are creatures of your illusion which have moved to larger life and are able to see, shall we say, the tree of consciousness down to its roots and up to its loftiest branches. They are out of the illusion, but they have not had the experience of the higher densities by working with a social memory complex. It is, shall we say, a choice. There are service-to-others and service-to-self entities within your inner planes. There are very wise ones within your inner planes. They have done very, very difficult work, and they are to be commended. However, they have halted their own learning process, turning back to aid, and knowing only that which has been realized within the incarnation that makes the entity at the time of the physical death able to move into fourth-density light.
We have chosen, shall we say, a path with a broader vision. It may be said, perhaps, that we have chosen to love the Creator more than we love those to whom we speak, whereas the inner-planes masters love their students more than they love themselves, for they are unable to progress while still within the inner planes of third density. They are, however, able to give very, very good advice and to speak to specific matters that on our part would be an infringement of free will.

[loostudent]

So for example devachanic plane is a higher inner plane of 3D?
Or is it above 3D?

[Jeremy]

So for example devachanic plane is a higher inner plane of 3D?
Or is it above 3D?

Sounds like there are devechanic planes within each density

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0629.aspx

As one moves beyond the astral planes or levels of vibration one enters what has most frequently been called the devachanic planes of experience. These are also frequently called the heaven worlds of your planetary influence. Within these realms of vibration, also numbering seven at the basic level or in the basic manner of description, one may find that the population is somewhat reduced in number but is more efficient in transmitting the love and light of the one Creator to those whose seeking attracts or calls for their service. Again, service in this general level is that which is more of the specific call being answered rather than the constant guiding or watching over the incarnate entities of your third density as is the nature of the upper astral levels.

These beings which inhabit the devachanic planes in the lower levels of these planes, then, move to answer specific calls. Within the upper frequencies of the devachanic planes, there is less and less desire to serve in the manner of communication with the third-density incarnate population of your planet. The service at this level of vibration takes more the form of the sending and in some cases the providing of light, love and healing to the planetary entity itself and to larger portions of the population of your planet than one or two or a few of your entities which may call for service and receive it from other levels of either the astral or devachanic planes.

[anagogy]

But as for planes in general, just as the physical plane is not owned exclusively by the 3rd density, neither are any of the other planes.

Very cool - so the higher the density, the less limitation and the more options a being has for exploration. Meaning that even in sixth density one may experience something purely physical? Concentrating all of the sixth density energy and focus into the pure physical plane? But of course without a veil.

Yes, every density utilizes all the planes, but as you increase in density level you are then able to use those planes in more finessed or refined ways. They are like notes on a musical instrument. You learn to put them together in more interesting ways, with varying harmonics and artistry.

There are sixth density beings that temporarily manifest entire physical planets and bodies to experience upon them, and then dissolve them the next moment. The higher your density level the more freedom you have to embrace whatever experience you might consciously desire to create. Though many beings at those higher levels have transcended any such desires to experience what we know of as "form", though, some still do. At that level, they mostly reside in time/space but they have a physical realm even there which manifests actual visible light bodies in space/time (though they don't experience the same divisions we do between space and time).

[Infinite]

So for example devachanic plane is a higher inner plane of 3D?
Or is it above 3D?

It's part of 3D. Second the Confederation the inners realms or planes are part of 3D experience. Every density until 6D have polarity and for this reason space/time and time/space (inner planes).

[loostudent]

So this are the worlds usually called hell, purgatory and heavens reported in OBE and NDE. There is also one notion in the Bible (by St. Paul):

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

So resurrection (in new body) would be harvest in 4D. There is some confusion as state/place of 4D is also called heaven.

[Infinite]

So this are the worlds usually called hell, purgatory and heavens reported in OBE and NDE.

Yes. The hell is the lower astral plane called umbral and the abysm. Purgatory is the frequency where we normally go during sleeping. The heaven is the higher astral plane and devachanic plane.

So resurrection (in new body) would be harvest in 4D. There is some confusion as state/place of 4D is also called heaven.

Resurrection have many meanings. Generally is about psychological death in the initiation.

[loostudent]

Heaven (in mainstream christian teaching) is believed to be a final eternal abode where one has a resurrected body.
According to Ra's information this place is a temporary abode of discarnate entities, intermidiate between densities. Are angels there forever or are they also harvested?

[AnthroHeart]

Heaven (in mainstream christian teaching) is believed to be a final eternal abode where one has a resurrected body.
According to Ra's information this place is a temporary abode of discarnate entities, intermidiate between densities. Are angels there forever or are they also harvested?

I've read that archangels like Gabriel are 6th density, so they have to have been harvested.
I've also read there are angels at the level of Creator.