Is possible "jump" a density?
07-05-2017, 10:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-05-2017, 11:14 AM by Infinite.)
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  Well, what about the Buddha? He attained complete and perfect enlightenment in his third density incarnation. The Buddha offered the path out of the cycle of birth and death, which includes higher density incarnation, as there is still birth and death all the way up to 6th density.

On which is based this conclusion ? The samsara refer to 3D bodies recyclage in my humble opinion.

(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  I believe that the natural progression is sequential, like you say, but that the path offered by ththe Buddha is one that has the potential to penetrate 8th density. I could be wrong, sure.

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The Buddha's teachings lead to the end of the path.

Well, I really like of Buddha's teachings. But I see the consciousness progression as an expansion of energy vibration. A 3D entity can't support a directly expansion to 8D because the lessons to suport this was not learned yet. It's like try put an ocean in a bucket.

(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  This is a view shared by S Mandelker, and it makes sense to me.

Can you send a link to this?

(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  So I think my opinion has validity. I do not think it contradicts anything Ra says. You don't have to take my word though, I encourage others to look into it themselves if interested, and decide for yourself.

I say the same. I will take this as a possibility and search to this truth.

(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  Verum Occultum, I don't think it's as easy to do that in higher densities. Remember that wanderers come here, partly, because the learning can be greatly accelerated due to the intensity of third density catalyst.

This is another great point about the directly progression to 8D. If the wandereres (that have so much knowledge than us) incarnate in 3D planets to increase your progress, this is an evidence that a directly progression it's not possbile.

Well, is possible that you is talking about live in nirvana or together with the Creator instead to manifeste yourself. This is possible to 4D entities but they choose to serve and learne in the manifested worlds.

(07-05-2017, 09:08 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  The Law of One. An adept who penetrates intelligent infinity can harvest themselves instantly, but the STO entity will most likely have the overwhelming desire to share with others rather than terminating the incarnation, which an STS entity would do.

I know this, it's the ascension. But an adept must work a lot of time to come to your state. I don't see this as "instantly" but as consequence of your hard work on yourself.
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07-09-2017, 04:33 AM,
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
(07-05-2017, 10:54 AM)Infinite Wrote:  I know this, it's the ascension. But an adept must work a lot of time to come to your state. I don't see this as "instantly" but as consequence of your hard work on yourself.

The instantly part is simply meant in the way that they won't have to wait for the natural cycle progression, but can harvest themselves at any point in the cycle. Also here is another idea that can illuminate the concept about what you are speaking:

Quote:Any entity may at any time instantaneously clear and balance its energy centers.
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07-09-2017, 10:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-09-2017, 10:50 PM by Night Owl.)
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
The original question is legit, and has been discussed a few times, although it seems there is often much focus on the seperation of the densities with these questions as if it comes from a place of feeling a lack of it's actual state. From my understanding, this might be creating the seperation between the state one might feel to be belonging to and the state they are in right now.

We each are in every densities simultaneously and every densities contains the others within itself in parallel as sub-densities. The harvest is something that has already happened from a time/space perspective. Focusing now on the 3D pre-harvest coordinate ''is'' the desire. Consciousness can shift focus at any coordinate of space/time time/space of the octave, but it can't go against the initial desire to be right here right now (which involves certain temporary restraints), and everything that is happening and surrounding oneself is answering that very desire. And so while it ''is'' possible, it seems like it is not what those who are here desire simply because here we are, searching for it.

The desire to skip steps, although a very natural one, is usually born out of a lack of densely working on the present steps, creating a state of lack by not receiving the results of the present process, which manifests as impatience. But the hierarchy of densities is not a race in which moving faster will get one to the end line faster. We are at the end of the line, or more exactly, we are ever moving beyond the line because there is no line, that's why it's called ''infinity''. We are ever harvesting. Each frame of present is a harvest. There is no actual end, only transformation. The boundary of the ''line'' is one of transformation, consciousness needs to be able to contain what it focus on for it's reality to hold on together. And so feeling seperated from anything means we cannot contain it as part of a whole.

Shifting density simply means shifting focus to a different state of awareness, one that contains more vibrations. It is like shifting notes on a keyboard, it just makes a different song. Going for a higher note contains a higher frequency which contains mathematically all of the lower ones in terms of Hz, and so each higher note is more unified than the previous. An instrument that has very heavy strings will have a harder time going for the higher notes. The heaviness of the strings could be seen as a metaphor for our energical weight. Our emotions are the strings with which we play our own song. When weighted down by emotional issues, we can't achieve a more united state of awareness. My supposition is that it is likely that the desired density to be focuses on is this one right here, your own song. It's perfectly tuned to be dense enough for a mind/body/spirit complex and all the catalyst that comes with it. If it doesn't feel dense enough, there could possibly be an unanswered need to get more ''densely'' into it.

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07-10-2017, 05:06 AM,
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
Night Owl, I don't think the focus of this conversation is if anyone desires to skip a density, but merely if it is possible at all. At least that is my initial question.

I agree with many things you have said and I think you are correct that the harvest has already happened from time/space perspective. Everything is present. Everything is complete. However, our focus determines which direction we will take in this game called Life.

The higher you go, the deeper you go. The potentials of experience in higher densities via a more intense concentration of energy are not often "formalized". Our physical reality of 3D seems to be formalized.

The deeper one goes, the more abstract and stranger it gets. As the energy is more "delicate" or "sensitive," more must be manifested from the inside out. A soul not ready to manipulate that intensity of energy could not maintain stability of mind at that state. Metaphorically I think it's good that a child learns to read before trying to comprehend the calculus.
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07-10-2017, 06:24 AM,
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I understand the questioning, it is very legitimate. I'm not saying it should stop either. It was not a personal criticism toward you, more a general warning for many who are usually interested in this topic. There is obviously no harm done by just asking, and you certainly don't seem to struggle with that concept yourself. As an explorer myself, it is one subject I like to dive into, and I also have this tendancy to wander into unknown territories. I'm actually also exploring unknown territory while writing this. My answer to the question was still that I do believe it's possible, my point being mainly that the reason we come here on earth under very restricting parameters is that experiencing restictions of awareness is what we want right now. But my recent conclusions have led me to believe that we would eventually expand our consciousness more towards the higher planes if we were to focus on the reality that surrounds us right now as much as possible, instead of dividing our focus on what is out of reach (for now). If we unite with what is possible to contain inside of us, our consciousness grow in density, giving us more reach. If we try to unite with things we cannot contain, then we have at best confirmed our unreadiness to the task. So this questioning has also the merit of drawing that line somewhere in between.

One of the points I also included is that other densities are accessible from here, and so I think that ''if efficiency is the goal'', understanding our own subdensities in order to get a grasp of them will get us further than focusing with those we can't possibly encompass with a 3D mind/body. The 5th sub density contains the microscopic blueprint of the 5th density content that our mind is able to contain, only we do not need it to be our only encompassing reality. And so yes we can travel through them all we want right here. We just have too limited mind focus to maintain that awareness on a daily basis. However it is possible to be encompassing the seventh subdensity on a daily basis through hard work which requires to be very connected to the ''right here right now''. That's why I believe the further we seek into the unknown, the more it will eventually get us back right here where it started. It's kind of like a loop. So you could see my post as mostly saying, the deeper we go down this questioning, the more present we need to be in order to answer it.

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07-11-2017, 09:56 AM,
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
(07-05-2017, 09:04 AM)Nau7ik Wrote:  I believe that the natural progression is sequential, like you say, but that the path offered by ththe Buddha is one that has the potential to penetrate 8th density. I could be wrong, sure. This is a view shared by S Mandelker, and it makes sense to me. The Buddha's teachings lead to the end of the path.

So I think my opinion has validity. I do not think it contradicts anything Ra says. You don't have to take my word though, I encourage others to look into it themselves if interested, and decide for yourself.
I think it would be extremely unlikely that someone would learn lessons of all densities during one 3d cycle.
If Buddha was indeed harvested straight to 8d (octave) he might have been a wanderer from the octave above.
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07-11-2017, 06:19 PM,
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
Density 'skipping' seems to be possible:

Ra speaks about how when a polarity choice is not given, the progression took the form of a very long 3rd density followed by a very long 4th density, and then when entities started seeing the creator, they very rapidly moved to 8th density. This was explained in a manner that implied densities in between 4th and 8th were not present.

So according to this an entity in such an environment at the end of 4th density would start seeing the creator eventually and would very speedily pass towards 8th density.

This may imply that if entities stay in a density which provides other-self experiences like 3d and 4d too long, they would eventually mature enough to pass swiftly to 8d.

Or it can also mean that this could only happen in environments where polarity choice is not presented.

However, in both cases, the entity does not skip the densities in the end - at the end of its evolution in 4d, the entity would have already amassed enough relevant experiences for making up for experiences which would be separately lived in 5th density and on, maturing the entity enough to manifest these vibrations eventually.

So the entity would already have gone through these densities in a sense, except while incarnated in 4d...

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Ra also spoke about ration needing to be same. Like how they spent more time in 5d in order to balance their fast 4d experience.

This would mean that you have to go through every density experience, even if you live these higher density experiences in 4d like in the non-polarity choice cases. (Or like how it was before this octave). So these entities spend a lot of time in 3d and 4d, therefore they have very fast 5d, 6d and 7d experiences as a result. They dont skip.

So, you cant skip densities - you can just fast forward through them.
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07-11-2017, 08:02 PM,
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RE: Is possible "jump" a density?
When I had schizophrenia episodes once I heard a voice saying that I could skip the next Octave if I wanted to. I could see the octaves lined up one after another. But I said no. It would probably frighten me the Octave after the next.

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