(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Agree, this is the density of choice, of free will, but of confusion as well. The purpose, firstly, is to recognize that there is a choice, and then secondly, to make one and then truly live that choice.
According to the Law of One, the very reason that there is confusion is so that we can make our choice from within the veil of illusion. The choice would mean nothing if we made it with full knowledge of what we are choosing.
Respectfully, I disagree that the first purpose to to recognize that there is a choice. The vast majority of the population never even realizes consciously that they are making a choice, yet they do indeed make that choice!
The requirement for Harvestability is LOVE, not awareness of how the game is played.
Love is measured by vibration, not by knowledge.
Therefore, conscious knowledge of having made a choice is not relevant for graduation.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Many never even make it to the first step because they are unaware, and even impeded from recognizing, that a choice is to be made.
Exactly the point I just made. However, I think we have different conclusions about the significance of that lack of awareness. Are you saying that those who don't consciously realize that there is a choice do not progress?
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: This is not a catalyst, it's an STS detour into their maze. The catalyst arrives when one recognizes that much of what they were programmed to believe was indeed misinformation. And even then, only after great personal effort are the layers of the lie revealed.
Again I respectfully disagree. As I understand it, the very purpose of the STS path itself is to provide catalyst. We all provide catalyst for one another. By having to deal with STS energies, we are made profoundly aware of that which we may or may not choose. If there were no STS energies to deal with, what would ever trigger the need for love? If there were never any transgressions made against us, how would we ever have occasion to forgive? If we had no occasions to learn forgiveness, how would we polarize?
I agree that there is a great deal of misinformation out there. However, there is also a great deal of valid information. We all have the ability to seek and to find. I truly believe that we each find that which we truly seek. For we are indeed holographic beings!
For example, a person whose mind is already made up that there is no such thing as aliens, will turn a blind eye to any evidence to the contrary. Conversely, someone which a predisposition towards a belief in aliens totally controlling the planet will find evidence to support such a belief.
I have experienced in my own life how, when I have changed my beliefs from the inside, because of a change in my choice of life/love/hope/peace instead of fear/discord/separation, my outer circumstances tend to accommodate my new worldview. I suspect that there will be no end to the layers of the proverbial onion for those who are intent upon digging as deep as they can go.
I don't mean to belittle the reality of the bad guys. I definitely believe they exist, and they have a great deal of power in certain domains. But, I also have a great deal of faith in the good guys! And the good guys (Q'uo et al) say that the bad buys failed in their coup attempt, and Earth is scheduled to stay on track in rejoining the planned time lateral. Meanwhile, the very lies/misinformation you are referring to, are in themselves what is distracting many people from living their lives in love/joy/hope/peace. In other words, I invite you to consider the possibility that believing that the lies are so widespread and that the bad guys have so much power, is itself a layer of lies, to be recognized and discarded in favor of choosing to hope for a bright and sunny future.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: HH was very good at mixing negative messages with a positive twist. Much more so than our politicians. It takes some discernment to understand which is which, and what is truth and fiction. Certainly, this type of work is not recommended unless they have some experience in dealing with a truly 95% STS entity.
If that is the case about HH, then I am curious why an STO person would even want to 'work' with a 'truly 95% STS entity.'
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Much of what HH presented fit with my understanding of what is transpiring. In fact, she opened up some avenues of further investigation which led to further discoveries. In regard to Lucifer. Ra is not an individual, it is the sound vibration of a STO social memory complex. Polarity still exists in early 6th density. Lucifer is a STS social memory complex. Suggest applying discernment before discarding mythology as purely myth. 75,000 years is a very long time, and most of it has been lost or hidden, except for the last 5,000 years, which is in itself a biased history.
I apologize for not making my previous point about myths clear! I did not intend to belittle the value of myths at all. What I meant was that I have seen many channeled sources refer to mythological characters in the context of ancient myths, as though those ancient myths were literally true. In contrast, one of the many things that impressed me about the Confederation material is its ability to rise above cultural, religious, or mythological delineations, and convey the essence of what the religion or myth represents on an archetypal level.
For example, if I read some channeled work that speaks of the Garden of Eden as having existed literally, complete with the talking snake, then I will suspect that the channel is still rather deeply embedded in their religion. This doesn't mean that the material has no value! For example, I found the Cayce readings to have much value, despite their strong religious flavor. But the Cayce readings rose above the constraints of the mainstream Christian religion, to the degree that many mainstream Christians now consider Cayce satanic!
Perhaps I was too hasty in my assessment of HH. I have read only a bit of the HH work, and was basing my comments largely on the comments of others. My perception from those comments was that HH was a negative entity in service to her master, the Big Guy himself, the DEVIL, the biblical depiction of Lucifer. Again I apologize if my perception was off-base. I'm not a student of HH, so I evidently made an erroneous assumption; I didn't know she meant the SMC Lucifer.
77.17 Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?
Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third-density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.
Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.
(04-19-2009, 07:35 PM)gharghur Wrote: Ra mentions the Sons of Lucifer when referring to the Orion STS entities within the etheral planes of this planet. Ra refers to this from time to time, but refuses to expand upon it as to not interfere. But there is much more said between the lines than within Ra's compliant words. They are here, they are in control, and they are impeding the spiritual progress of billions. And they will be exposed!
Namaste
Where have you seen Ra referring to the 'Sons of Lucifer?' I don't remember that from the books, and I just did a search on the searchable database and found nothing about that. Can you share with us the quotes you are referring to?
And, why do you think they are in control and impeding the spiritual progress of billions? That doesn't jive with the latest readings from Q'uo, so I'm wondering whether you might be referring to some other source. If that's the case, then this forum is not the place to discuss that. But, if you can show us where Confederation sources have indicated such complete STS control of our planet, I would be very interested, as I have not seen that.