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    AnthroHeart (Offline)

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    05-22-2019, 01:55 PM
    Ra said that few can handle 4th density light.
    Does that mean that very few will harvest?

    Even us who seek wholeheartedly, does that mean that few of us will harvest?

    As Top Gun mentioned the best of the best, is that what 4th density wants? Only the best of the best?

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    05-22-2019, 02:58 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2019, 03:56 PM by Minyatur.)
    I think in the material it said Ra's home world had a small harvest. So sounds pretty standard.

    Harvest into 4D is just the end of the 3D experience, not the point of it. Else 4D is just about 5D, this Octave about the next and the next Octave about its next, then nowhen and nowhere has any meaning to be in itself. It is instead the exact opposite, each location, or moment, has its own meaning within things. Today is not about tomorrow any more than tomorrow is about after tomorrow.

    It's not about merit either nor to be the best, just about what you do resonate with. There is a leap to make between each density or Octave that forsakes what was previously experienced. The Earth is not either the exact definition of what 3D is like as an experience, just one of many potentials.

    You tend to forget that you are truly all things, nothing is better nor lesser than you. Just many paths to tread.
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    05-22-2019, 03:15 PM
    Do you think we find ourselves where we are most happy with?

    The two wanderers of Ra who harvested negative found themselves disconcerted.
    I'm not worried about harvesting negative, but sometimes I wonder if harvest itself is fair.

    Or if Creator prefers 3D because it's more colored and varied.
    I can imagine Creator saying "You should repeat another 3D cycle for more experience."

    Because isn't higher densities boring compared to 3D?

    I've been told I may have to repeat a 3D cycle of 25,000 years. I've also been told that I will have just a few more incarnations.

    I don't think I'm good enough for 4D yet, but I don't know.

    I'm not sure if it's being good enough.

    Maybe I just worry too much. Where I find myself is where I'm supposed to be I take it.
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    05-22-2019, 03:38 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2019, 03:41 PM by Minyatur.)
    I do think you worry too much. Like I think you have a vague conception of 4D, so you can't really say it is what you really want to experience following your life. It is well to learn to trust in the process, maybe a different setting for a 3D life would satisfy you more.

    I think the two wanderers that harvested negative later came to understand why it happened and accepted it was their path, it makes sense that at first they were disconcerted.
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    05-22-2019, 04:15 PM
    You worry too much Gem, just keep on, you’re a lovely furry friend
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    05-22-2019, 04:28 PM
    (05-22-2019, 01:55 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Ra said that few can handle 4th density light.

    I believe you are talking about this stretch from Laitos:

    Quote:Questioner: Yes, thank you. I got a letter today from a brother who is very, very busy seeking Nirvana of the quickie variety and he would like to know the answer to a question which is difficult for me to fathom. However, I will ask it as he asked it because I would very much appreciate being able to send him a reply. He has studied under a yogic philosophy for many years and would very much like to return to the source. He identifies this source as being at the ninth density. He would like to know if it is possible to bypass all the intervening densities in this lifetime and go back to the source using his yogic practices. Could you comment on these concepts and help our brother, who is truly an earnest seeker, in any way that you see appropriate, please?

    I am Laitos, and am aware of your question. We are also aware that entities such as this brother upon your planet at this time seek with great intensity the meaning of their lives and a path which might bring them that which might be called enlightenment. Many are the ways which your peoples have chosen to seek this path throughout the history of your planet. Each path has provided integral pieces of the puzzle, shall we say, which are most necessary for the sincere seeker to utilize in the polarization of the self to a degree which is, shall we say, harvestable. Many such paths have produced those called the saints, the avatars, the gurus, each of which, through disciplined exercises of many kinds, has been able to balance the centers of energy in your mind and body/mind/spirit complex to a degree that is necessary for this harvest into the next density of the illusion of the one Creator. Each discipline, while providing a viable path for the spiritual evolution, also contains those facets which may be considered distortions or misapprehensions of certain spiritual qualities and descriptions.

    It is our humble understanding that the path of spiritual evolution must be one which is straight and narrow and of some considerable length, traveling through many illusions and densities with the one goal of becoming one with the Creator. What this means for each entity in any illusion is that the instreamings of the love/light of the one Creator are available for use by each entity; this love/light or prana being channeled through the energy centers or chakras, if you will, in such a manner that the light is used efficiently, each density providing the seeker of union with a greater intensity of light.

    Upon the completion of the cycle of incarnations in any density an entity is given the opportunity to, shall we say, grade itself by being bathed in the light of the one Creator until it is no longer able to withstand or utilize the increasing intensity of light. This light has degrees shall we say, of vibration. When the entity can no longer withstand or use the light, then it stops at that point and that point falls where it may. Wherever it falls it is then the entity’s choice, by its own ability to use the light, to continue its study in the appropriate illusion which matches the intensity of light which has been utilized.

    Few there are upon your planet at this time who can withstand the intensity of the light of the fourth density. For this light is what might be called a quantum leap beyond that which you now experience within your third density.
    If any entity were to experience it for but a moment and be able to withstand it, for that moment that entity would feel indeed that it had returned to its Source and would most likely be quite appreciative of that experience. For such seekers as your brother to desire to progress more rapidly than is possible, shall we say, realizing that all things are possible, is a commendable trait, but one which is not likely to be realized, for though your density provides an intense degree of catalyst and opportunity for traveling the spiritual path, to the best of our knowledge, it does not provide enough catalyst to build the polarity necessary to, shall we say, skip any density.

    To the best of our knowledge, when this octave of densities is completed the individualized entities will find themselves at the level of the eighth density— one with the Source of this particular creation. But our teachers have not themselves found such union nor have their teachers told them of an end to such progressions.

    We shall continue. For an entity to return to the Source does not mean the end to evolution. For an entity to desire to progress spiritually as rapidly as possible is quite commendable, but we would suggest that it is most necessary to learn to walk, shall we say, before one runs or flies or soars beyond the start. Yours is a density in which the child learns to crawl. Rejoice in the opportunities which are thusly presented to you.

    Anyway, about the core of your question, I suggest don't concern about the harvest. Your concern don't change anything. Just work on yourself and seek the love and the opening of the heart.
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    05-22-2019, 04:34 PM
    I personally think that I'm STO enough to make it, but I'm not saying that to boast. I am helpful to others quite a bit.
    Even sometimes to my own sacrificing. I'm not a martyr though.
    If this is all real, at least I have the knowledge that can aid me. I might not be so fortunate in another life.
    I feel this is a relatively easy life. Maybe I wanted one, because perhaps past lives were more difficult.
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    05-22-2019, 04:38 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2019, 04:38 PM by Minyatur.)
    I personally see it really through the Law of One. So long there is a time in which there is an entity in 3D, then I am that which is in 3D.
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    05-22-2019, 05:43 PM
    (05-22-2019, 04:28 PM)Infinite Wrote:
    (05-22-2019, 01:55 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Ra said that few can handle 4th density light.

    I believe you are talking about this stretch from Laitos:


    Quote:Questioner: Yes, thank you. I got a letter today from a brother who is very, very busy seeking Nirvana of the quickie variety and he would like to know the answer to a question which is difficult for me to fathom. However, I will ask it as he asked it because I would very much appreciate being able to send him a reply. He has studied under a yogic philosophy for many years and would very much like to return to the source. He identifies this source as being at the ninth density. He would like to know if it is possible to bypass all the intervening densities in this lifetime and go back to the source using his yogic practices. Could you comment on these concepts and help our brother, who is truly an earnest seeker, in any way that you see appropriate, please?

    I am Laitos, and am aware of your question. We are also aware that entities such as this brother upon your planet at this time seek with great intensity the meaning of their lives and a path which might bring them that which might be called enlightenment. Many are the ways which your peoples have chosen to seek this path throughout the history of your planet. Each path has provided integral pieces of the puzzle, shall we say, which are most necessary for the sincere seeker to utilize in the polarization of the self to a degree which is, shall we say, harvestable. Many such paths have produced those called the saints, the avatars, the gurus, each of which, through disciplined exercises of many kinds, has been able to balance the centers of energy in your mind and body/mind/spirit complex to a degree that is necessary for this harvest into the next density of the illusion of the one Creator. Each discipline, while providing a viable path for the spiritual evolution, also contains those facets which may be considered distortions or misapprehensions of certain spiritual qualities and descriptions.

    It is our humble understanding that the path of spiritual evolution must be one which is straight and narrow and of some considerable length, traveling through many illusions and densities with the one goal of becoming one with the Creator. What this means for each entity in any illusion is that the instreamings of the love/light of the one Creator are available for use by each entity; this love/light or prana being channeled through the energy centers or chakras, if you will, in such a manner that the light is used efficiently, each density providing the seeker of union with a greater intensity of light.

    Upon the completion of the cycle of incarnations in any density an entity is given the opportunity to, shall we say, grade itself by being bathed in the light of the one Creator until it is no longer able to withstand or utilize the increasing intensity of light. This light has degrees shall we say, of vibration. When the entity can no longer withstand or use the light, then it stops at that point and that point falls where it may. Wherever it falls it is then the entity’s choice, by its own ability to use the light, to continue its study in the appropriate illusion which matches the intensity of light which has been utilized.

    Few there are upon your planet at this time who can withstand the intensity of the light of the fourth density. For this light is what might be called a quantum leap beyond that which you now experience within your third density.
    If any entity were to experience it for but a moment and be able to withstand it, for that moment that entity would feel indeed that it had returned to its Source and would most likely be quite appreciative of that experience. For such seekers as your brother to desire to progress more rapidly than is possible, shall we say, realizing that all things are possible, is a commendable trait, but one which is not likely to be realized, for though your density provides an intense degree of catalyst and opportunity for traveling the spiritual path, to the best of our knowledge, it does not provide enough catalyst to build the polarity necessary to, shall we say, skip any density.

    To the best of our knowledge, when this octave of densities is completed the individualized entities will find themselves at the level of the eighth density— one with the Source of this particular creation. But our teachers have not themselves found such union nor have their teachers told them of an end to such progressions.

    We shall continue. For an entity to return to the Source does not mean the end to evolution. For an entity to desire to progress spiritually as rapidly as possible is quite commendable, but we would suggest that it is most necessary to learn to walk, shall we say, before one runs or flies or soars beyond the start. Yours is a density in which the child learns to crawl. Rejoice in the opportunities which are thusly presented to you.

    Anyway, about the core of your question, I suggest don't concern about the harvest. Your concern don't change anything. Just work on yourself and seek the love and the opening of the heart.

    Yes Infinite, that's the quote. Thanks for pulling it up. Did you bold the sections yourself, or were they already bolded?

    Thanks for the recommendation on opening the heart. It is very informative for when my decisions become challenging.

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    05-22-2019, 11:28 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2019, 11:28 PM by Infinite.)
    (05-22-2019, 05:43 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Did you bold the sections yourself, or were they already bolded?

    It was me.
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    05-23-2019, 08:46 AM (This post was last modified: 05-23-2019, 08:49 AM by Nau7ik.)
    (05-22-2019, 01:55 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Ra said that few can handle 4th density light.
    Does that mean that very few will harvest?

    Even us who seek wholeheartedly, does that mean that few of us will harvest?

    As Top Gun mentioned the best of the best, is that what 4th density wants? Only the best of the best?

    In my opinion, the earth harvest will be 5-15%. Fifteen percent being a generous number. 4D light is already dawning on this planet, and many people are reacting adversely. Ra also mentioned the “orange-ray drop down.” Which is a lower grade of consciousness, self-centered and emotionally ruled. Akin to an animal. They’re expressing themselves in base terms. I think we can see this all over the world around us... if not the orange ray, then people are blocked in the yellow ray, which is an over focus on the societal self. I see this far too often, that people consider “my side” to be all knowing and right, and the “other side” to be wrong. The sense of separation is more and more cemented with that kind of thinking.

    I think people are reacting thusly because it’s perceived as safe. It’s safe to follow the crowd; you don’t have to take responsibility for your choices (one is always responsible regardless of whether we perceive our part or not). It’s “safe” to pick a side which will back you up and tell you that you’re right all the time.

    There will be very few to harvest, unfortunately. We need to keep in mind that the souls here are 3D repeaters. This isn’t the first cycle that they’re needing to repeat... 4D souls from other worlds will be coming here for their fourth density experience because our 4D will be underpopulated if it’s only the souls from earth.

    Most of us here are consciously aware of our spiritual evolution. We are striving to polarize, to know, to become. It matters that you are trying. But we really won’t know until we walk the steps of light. This isn’t something that bothers me at all. I will continue to walk my path regardless of where I go next. So all is well. I know what I seek and where I want to go. That’s all that I wish to impart to others: don’t be concerned with whether you’re harvestable or not. Be thyself, know thyself.

    But if you are concerned, know this: everyone incarnate on this planet right now has the potential to harvest and graduate from third density (seniority of vibration). You’re consciously aware of your spiritual path. Most people in this world are not. The odds are in your favor. Let the universe know that you desire graduation. And then release all concern and worry and let it be. (While pursuing the inner work and seeking, of course. We have to put in the work.)
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    05-23-2019, 10:21 AM
       Nau7ik said, ‘I see this far too often, that people consider “my side” to be all knowing and right, and the “other side” to be wrong.’
       Sadly, that’s the way it looks to me too.  So, let’s hope we can avoid shooting!  I really don’t want a war!
       My feelings tell me there is reason to be optimistic for improving conditions ahead.
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    05-23-2019, 01:41 PM
    (05-23-2019, 08:46 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: Ra also mentioned the “orange-ray drop down.” Which is a lower grade of consciousness, self-centered and emotionally ruled. Akin to an animal. They’re expressing themselves in base terms. I think we can see this all over the world around us... if not the orange ray, then people are blocked in the yellow ray, which is an over focus on the societal self. I see this far too often, that people consider “my side” to be all knowing and right, and the “other side” to be wrong. The sense of separation is more and more cemented with that kind of thinking.

    I tend to be emotionally driven, and come from orange-ray. I don't really even consider getting out and about with society.
    I feel I may be blocked in orange ray, because I do have sexual distortions as well.
    I'm not always loving and coming from green ray. It is hit or miss.

    Not sure if this is something that meditation can help. But I can try.
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    05-24-2019, 07:00 AM
    I have come to terms with the fact that my goals aren't really graduation. Agua once told me my concern with graduation was really just me not wanting to be here in 3D anymore and wanting to escape. The truth of that stuck with me and I have since come to realize I have a lot more Earthly goals to accomplish before I work on graduating. Right now, I realize I need to let go of my need for external validation/approval to be the man I want to be. This is a necessary step for graduation, but graduation is not my goal for doing so. I'm slowly getting more comfortable with the thought of possibly repeating 3rd density on some other planet or something and I'm just trying to make the best life I can for myself with this life on this planet. Who knows? Maybe I'll eventually get to a point of being harvestable, but it's not my goal. I may or may not be a wanderer, and I may or may not end up harvestable after all is said and done, but I've learned to just stop being concerned with it and focus on the lesson I'm needing to learn, which is not needing external validation. I'm just going to try and focus on the improvement of myself and my life and if that ends up taking me to a point of harvestability, great. If not, I'll still have lived a life that satisfied me. Or at least that's my goal.
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    05-24-2019, 07:55 AM
    (05-23-2019, 01:41 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote:
    (05-23-2019, 08:46 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: Ra also mentioned the “orange-ray drop down.” Which is a lower grade of consciousness, self-centered and emotionally ruled. Akin to an animal. They’re expressing themselves in base terms. I think we can see this all over the world around us... if not the orange ray, then people are blocked in the yellow ray, which is an over focus on the societal self. I see this far too often, that people consider “my side” to be all knowing and right, and the “other side” to be wrong. The sense of separation is more and more cemented with that kind of thinking.

    I tend to be emotionally driven, and come from orange-ray. I don't really even consider getting out and about with society.
    I feel I may be blocked in orange ray, because I do have sexual distortions as well.
    I'm not always loving and coming from green ray. It is hit or miss.

    Not sure if this is something that meditation can help. But I can try.

    Gem, I think just "knowing" that you have these areas that may be blocked is more than half the battle especially when we sit that beside the attitude of 3rd density. Most of which have no idea they even have blockages or even energy centers. I'm with Nau7ik that you have a jump on this.
    In my opinion, if a person is aware or they know, there is something that can be worked with, right? And Nau7ik also said to know thyself. This is wonderful advice and most important in our spiritual evolution. As it is not easy with the veil intact. To me, sounds like you're heading in the right direction.  And it sounds like to me that you've done much work already. I'm with Flo and I think Infinite you worry too much and worry is not a good motivator. It can suck the life energy from you leaving you tired. Seems like there is balancing taking place already. Best wishes to you
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    05-24-2019, 05:34 PM
    (05-24-2019, 07:00 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I have come to terms with the fact that my goals aren't really graduation. Agua once told me my concern with graduation was really just me not wanting to be here in 3D anymore and wanting to escape. The truth of that stuck with me and I have since come to realize I have a lot more Earthly goals to accomplish before I work on graduating. Right now, I realize I need to let go of my need for external validation/approval to be the man I want to be. This is a necessary step for graduation, but graduation is not my goal for doing so. I'm slowly getting more comfortable with the thought of possibly repeating 3rd density on some other planet or something and I'm just trying to make the best life I can for myself with this life on this planet. Who knows? Maybe I'll eventually get to a point of being harvestable, but it's not my goal. I may or may not be a wanderer, and I may or may not end up harvestable after all is said and done, but I've learned to just stop being concerned with it and focus on the lesson I'm needing to learn, which is not needing external validation. I'm just going to try and focus on the improvement of myself and my life and if that ends up taking me to a point of harvestability, great. If not, I'll still have lived a life that satisfied me. Or at least that's my goal.

    I find the less I worry about all that stuff in the future, I can concentrate more on being present with whatever is in front of me in the now. I think if you honestly look at yourself you've come quite a ways in your spiritual growth! Really what's the hurry anyhow.
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