(12-22-2012, 07:34 PM)Oldern Wrote:(12-22-2012, 07:33 PM)Oldern Wrote: [quote='yossarian']
They apologized. You didn't. You claim it is all projection. Classic tactic of the emotionally abusive gaslighter.
"hey are you mad because I'm being an unempathetic jerk? You're just projecting and are experiencing a vibrationally lower state than me!"
Again: why should I apologize? Did I hurt you? Where?
Also: it makes it really hard to argue with someone who responds to things that I did not even wrote.
I hope you will sleep on this, and will feel better in a day or two. Good luck with it.
Most emotionally abusive people have no idea they are doing it.
I've had the advantage of being trained in how to spot emotional, psychological, and intellectual abuse. Unfortunately this means that I think a large percentage of New Agers are emotionally, psychologically, and intellectually abusive. You're not the only one. They constantly invalidate each other's feelings and they constantly gaslight to invalidate each other's experiences when those feelings or experiences have negative things to say about the New Age belief complex. They constantly demean uses of the intellect and invalidate each other's intelligence or judgement.
This leads pretty clearly to the hypothesis that the New Age community is a place where emotionally abused people re-live the abuse they experienced in their families of origin. Both by being emotionally abusive and by receiving emotional abuse.
So I'm not actually asking for an apology, but I do believe that the one guy who apologized is probably able to recognize that he was not being compassionate or loving in the way he responded to people who are suffering from the 2012 fraud.
You, on the other hand, are not apologizing because you don't believe that you did anything unloving or lacking in compassion or lacking in empathy.
You have every reason to doubt anyone who calls your spiritually high vibration into question. I wouldn't want to believe that my anger is "lower" either. I wouldn't want to believe that if I've lacked compassion in the past it makes me "lower" than others. So if I was in your shoes I would reject anyone who criticizes my empathy too.
But if you had empathy, would you be treating me like this? Where is your empathy for the victims of the 2012 fraud?
(12-22-2012, 07:34 PM)almostdone Wrote: What did Q'uo say about 2012? If I am not mistaken they also said the change started 12/21/12. Am I correct?
They said it would be gradual and take hundreds of years.
So it is interesting that Carla, who channelled the 2011 prediction, later channelled the gradualism prediction.
But a lot of people take Ra to be more authoritative than Q'uo, and Ra seemed to, on the whole, promote a sudden shift rather than gradual. Like the clock striking on the hour.
I guess with Ra it comes down to which parts of the text you hold authoritative.