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      Beautiful subtle quality about Ra
    Posted by: Verum Occultum - 11-23-2016, 06:27 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (2)

    Do you remember when Ra and Don were speaking about Tarot cards and Ra started saying "O student"? I think that when Ra taught the Tarot to the Egyptian adepts, those entities and Ra became closer and more connected on a soul level. The relationship was of teacher and student, but also of immense friendship in unity. The love was recognized.

    So when Ra and Don started speaking about the Tarot, I think that Ra "remembered" their time with the Egyptians, and this simple tribute/honor was reflected in the discussion of the archetypical mind with the "O student". Ra perceived many connections, and brought it into fruition. They were very delighted to teach about the Tarot again.

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      HD 3D
    Posted by: Matt1 - 11-22-2016, 03:45 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (8)

    Quote:76.18 Questioner: I didn’t understand what you meant by “seen to you as being quite vivid.” What do you mean?

    Ra: I am Ra. This creation is somewhat more condensed by its Logos than some other Logoi have chosen. Thus each experience of the Creator by the Creator in this system of distortions is, relatively speaking, more bright or, as we said, vivid.

    Ra states that our experience of 3rd density is more intensive or rather brighter or vivid than other 3rd density creations across the galaxy. Does that mean we are running on the 3rd density High definition? Perhaps Ra is suggesting that our experience is more intensive and might allow for a greater catalyst or polarity than others?

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      Important quote about vital energy
    Posted by: Verum Occultum - 11-19-2016, 08:39 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (2)

    Quote:(94.7) ...Therefore, each of the support group also experiences a weariness of the spirit which is indistinguishable from physical energy deficit except that if each experiments with this weariness each shall discover the physical energy in its usual distortion.

    In a nutshell, your (spiritual) motivation (to achieve, to fulfill purposes) can increase the power and vigor of your physical self. It is important that we have some inner purpose which motivates us. I think it also allows the body to be healthier, live longer, perform many activities etc. The spirit revitalizes the body in each moment. When we are motivated to fulfill our purposes, we keep pursuing certain kinds of experiences and through those experiences we will more intimately also fulfill our life purpose(s). We will realize things that we could not conceive of before. We will be led to very different areas of experience that, were not for our purposes, would not exist otherwise. These new avenues of experience also affect everything and everyone. Therefore, I believe that we should always keep finding new motivations to our experience. Through motivation, which is the root of ability (the ability/skill that is carried out into all areas of life experience/imagination) we create an extraordinary life, and share that with the world.

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      The Logic of Love and Hate - the Love/Hate Dynamic
    Posted by: 4Dsunrise - 11-11-2016, 02:03 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - No Replies

    4dphilosophyproject (at) gmail.com

    For those with an interest in this topic and also in developing the Infinity Unity Principle/All One Principle (IUP/AOP) in terms of a philosophical treatise and curriculum for a future 4D university, contact at the above email. 

    The Logic of Love and Hate -- the Love/Hate Dynamic

    This is such a deep topic to explore but I will touch on a few theories that are consistent with the Dialectical Monism (Yang/Yin) of the Infinity Unity Principle (IUP) and All One Principle (AOP).

    This OP is about the logical derivation and bipolar interaction of the love/hate dynamic. By what is meant by logical derivation is the inferential dynamics of inner/outer and union/separation which induces a universal love/hate dynamic. By what is meant by bipolar interaction is the combination of ways that the love/hate dynamic manifests and evolves through the densities especially the 1st, 2nd and 3rd densities.

    So, for example, there is a primitive love/hate dynamic occuring in 1st density as a constructive/destructive dynamic whereby constructive is a positive feedback loop creating order, while destructive is a negative feedback loop creating disorder. They together interact to create rich chaotic order.

    The inferential dynamics of constructive/destructive leads to a dynamics of growth/decay which manifests more readily in late 1st density and 2nd density. Again positive and negative feedback loops allow for organization, regulation and diversification of more complex biosystems.

    In the Ra Material there is no discussion about hatred or about the love/hate dynamic. They do mention that positive Wanderers who play with 3rd density dramas may lose much positive orientation or may even turn negative by participating in 'unloving acts'. 

    When you are intentionally 'unloving' towards someone doesn't that mean that you are feeling hatred towards that someone or perhaps a distorted uncaring feeling of objectification like a serial murderer? It probably depends on the ethical orientation and motive of the person in this predator/prey dynamic. In many cases the 'unloving act' of beating on a child or viciously raping a person is a hateful act. 

    Someone is feeling and expressing hate towards another or projecting hate in an unfocussed form. They may be in a self-serving mode and gaining power or a self-disserving mode and dissipating power as they express and act on this hate.

    An example of the later is the case of a rape and murder of someone and then the murderer turns on himself and suicides.

    So, imo, Ra's use of the term 'unloving' is code for hating or a distorted uncaring or objectification. "You're just a cockroach to me."

    Continuing on, there is one Quo session where the concept of hatred is discussed. They describe it in terms of chakra energy blockage and pertaining to polarization in 3rd density striving towards negative 4th density. 

    From 1988.10.09 Hatred, Anger, Orange Ray blockages.

    Quote:That which is hatred and that which is anger, and all of those emotions which may be called negative, are distortions of love. These emotions manifest through the distorted individual by blocking energy and trapping this energy in the center involved in the changing, confusing difficulty which is catalyst for distorted love. This catalyst may be extreme.

    (paraphrasing further) A full intensity of hatred is sought by achieving a purity of negative emotion which is necessary for those which wish to polarize negatively.

    (in terms of distorted love) ...hatred is love which has been hurt badly. Anger is that which comes of hatred. 

    I don't know if "love which has been hurt badly" always applies to causing hatred. But Quo was probably addressing this for cases of hatred in positive seekers.

    And I think Quo's main theme is relevant psychological and metaphysical information in our 3rd density experience and suggests the love/hate dynamic as being a range of ill and well intention on a sort of color spectrum, and where intention is in terms of focus, care and concern, and service.

    Getting back to basics:

    What is the nature of hate? How is it derived and from what source? What is the purpose and meaning of hate? How does hate manifest and give expression in 1st density and 2nd density?

    In fundamental and universal terms, hate is ill-intentioned will that does violence or harm to self or other. The acts of violence or harm are acts causing blockage and disfunction to expression and growth.

    Examples in 1st density

    1. A developing 1st density planet that is on course to becoming a 2nd density planet gets hit by a migrating outer planet that knocks it into an unstable "death spiral" or decaying orbit into its sun.

    2. A developing 1st density planet that is on course to becoming a 2nd density planet becomes the recipient of the partial nova explosion of its sun which incinerates all the organic volatiles and boils all the water on the surface of the planet. The planet is now a barren and desolate with no chance to evolve to 2nd density.

    3. A lake filled with potential life-formng organic molecules and on track to creating the first life forms gets blasted by a nearby volcanic eruption sending hot and toxic embers and lava into it and in a short period completely fills it as a hot inorganic and biotoxic pool with no potential for emerging life.

    Examples in 2nd density

    1. The "runts of a litter" as with owls or other birds and mammals get beaten on by its siblings and ignored by its mother, especially during periods of feeding. The innocent newborn inevitably dies. Is this a form of 2nd density abuse and an unloving act of uncaring objectification?

    2. A baby deer gets discovered by a pack of wolves and gets torn and eaten alive. It undergoes excruciating fear and pain for several minutes before it dies. Is it excruciating pain only from a 2nd density perspective or can be felt in a raw 3rd density form? Remember the movie 'Powder' when there's a transfer of feeling from a dying deer to the gloating hunter? That movie is 4D Wanderers 101.

    3. A black ant stumbles upon a colony of red ants and gets swarmed and bitten to its death. A territorial inter-species hate crime? Similar to inter-racial in 3rd density? Are red ants racists and bigots? Red ants seem quite discriminatory and intolerant of the black ants. They're quite prejudiced. Don't black ants lives matter? Not to the red ants.

    One last note of a common New Age notion that claims that the opposite of love is fear.

    I think the love/fear dynamic is better framed as the trust/distrust dynamic by which love instills and projects trust while hate instills and projects distrust.  When someone feels love from others or from self they feel trust and well-being. When someone feels hate from others or from self they feel distrust and ill-being.

    It remains as very practical and useful to identify love/fear situations as "love overcoming fear" or "love overcoming distrust" -- and the contrapositive form is also useful as "fearlessness overcoming hate" or "trust overcoming hate". 

    So love/fear and its cousin trust/hate are valid dynamics for incorporating into our 3rd and 4th density psychology and into the framework of the Logic of the Logos theme.

    The Logic of the Logos

    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=13444

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      19.17
    Posted by: Jacko - 11-09-2016, 07:27 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (13)

    Hello, I am new to this forum. I want to ask about this session.

    Quote:19.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what bias creates their momentum toward the chosen path of service to self?

    Ra: I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

    All these experiences are available. It is free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

    What does this mean? Isn't the Law of One an examination of the pervesity of nature?

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      What is the most important or impactful message from The Law of One?
    Posted by: im_not_me - 11-08-2016, 02:44 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (23)

    If you could only chose only one paragraph to define what the most important or that was most impactful to you from the Law of One what would you chose?

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      Is Ra...
    Posted by: Kaaron - 10-20-2016, 09:05 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (21)

    ...the reptilian higher self?

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      The Logic of the Logos
    Posted by: 4Dsunrise - 10-18-2016, 02:29 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (5)

    4dphilosophyproject (at) gmail.com

    If you have an interest in this topic and also in developing the Infinity Unity Principle or All One Principle (IUP or AOP) in terms of a philosophical treatise and curriculum for future 4D study, contact me at the above email. The IUP or AOP in What is Ra's Monism http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=10926

    The Logic of the Logos

    This title has a nice rhythm and could have been called 'the Creation of the Creator' or 'the Experience of the Experiencer', and so 'logic', 'creation' and 'experience' are analogous, and this, in turn, broadens and deepens the meaning of 'logic' in so many ways.

    Why Experiencer? See The Creator/Explorer Dynamic
    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=12142

    If the term 'logos' means the "divine organizing principle" or "inspirational guiding force" or "elan vital" then it's a given that "the Universe is alive" and should be considered as an endlessly rich and complex 'logical system'. This 'logical system' is the Logos or Creator/Experiencer that manifests from a nondual state of being as the One Source or Monad. 

    Now a 'logical system' refers to a 'complex' which defines a combination of aspects, modes and/or parts. 

    We all know that the Ra group referred to the 'mind-body-spirit complex' as also a 'logos' -- so each of us are a 'closed and open logical system' in that sense. In set theory it's called a 'clopen system' which has a unique closed identity but open to changing and evolving via it's infinite nature. 

    We also know that planets and suns and galaxies are referred to as greater encompassing types of 'logos' and we are 'sub-logoi' to the Earth. which, in turn, is a 'sub-logos' to the Sun, which, in turn, is a 'sub-logos' to the Milky Way galaxy. The Milky Way galaxy is a possible 'sub-logos' to the local Galactic Cluster where it will someday merge with the much larger Andromeda galaxy.

    So we have the notions of 'logical system', 'logical complex' and 'logic/creation/experience' that result in 'logical structures and processes' within these systems or complexes. But we aren't just computerized automatons or robots so this notion of 'logic' has deeper meaning as a blend of both philosophical and esoteric.  

    The notion of 'logic' is derived from 'logos' so it makes sense to understand it's nature and understand how it applies to the greater Logos in terms of how the Creator/Experiencer uses logic to manifest. This manifestation is based on an holistic logical derivation process that I have worked on that begins with the identity principle of the Monad to itself or as M = M. 

    Now the holistic logical derivation process involves the derivation of the IUP and AOP and their further derivations. But that's long and drawn out material for another post. Btw, remember what the Ra group said about 'identity'?  It's essentially the key to everything and was mentioned in my old thread. 

    4D physics and the Reciprocal System
    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=11398 

    For this post I want to end by providing a more holistic meaning to 'logic' as it applies to 'logos' and offer some examples.

    Logic is designed to seek meaning and purpose via different forms of reference and inference. There are many creative forms of logic besides classical consistent logic, such as nonclassical paraconsistent logic, probabilistic inductive logic, multi-value logic, fuzzy logic, pluravalent logic, modal logic, etc -- and probably an intuitive form of archetypal logic in astrology and the tarot of Ra's Book 4. 

    These variations of logics can allow for deriving and understanding any scenario of the Creator/Experiencer such as, for example, the state of an extremely distorted unpolarized person addicted to meth-amphetamine and spiraling into extreme levels of disservice to self or DTS. In this case there will be, among others, the logic of ill-intentioned, ill-founded and ill-formed formulations of consciousness that relate to psycho-logics and ethical logics. This gets some attention in the following thread.

    A Person's Ethical Focus, Range and Volatility
    http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=12390

    One final idea is the logic of bipolarity relating to the complementation of inner/outer or Yin/Yang.

    The logic of infinity and unity
    The logic of creation and destruction.
    The logic of love and hate.
    The logic of pain and joy.
    The logic of sexual dynamics

    Also a quick Syllogism or 2 premise formulation.

    All entities come from and have properties of the one Source.
    The one Source contains all and thus has degrees of both positive and negative orientation.
    Therefore, all entities have degrees of both positive and negative orientation.

    And a quick inference called obversion or a kind of double negation.

    All entities come from only one Source.
    Therefore no entities come from other sources.

    But that doesn't mean we can't apply 'deviant logics' and 'inconsistency' to refute the above inference and therefore to take the 'deviant path' that allows for exploring STS. In addition 'infinitary logics' implies 'choice functions' and therefore free will.

    So with that, I wonder what Star Trek's Mr Spock would think of this? Probably something like this. "It's totally illogical. Get a life."  ;-O

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      My Notes of the Scott Mandelker YOUTUBE Class - RA LOO Book TWO
    Posted by: Chandlersdad - 10-08-2016, 08:20 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (8)

    I have been watching over 93 HOURS of Ra Law of One YOUTUBE Classes hosted by Scott Mandelker.

    He certainly does NOT seem to be the flavor of any month around here. I am somewhat relieved because he is intensely homophobic and hostile to mere human beings who do not swear their allegiance to the Ra Law of One Books.

    But otherwise, he is a pretty nice guy! Just kidding.

    Why did I persevere in his class? Because amidst the occasional bigoted judgmental generalizations that he proclaims with the certitude of the Old Testament Jehovah, he offers clear fascinating reviews of the actual text.

    For anyone with even a slight modicum of curiosity, I offer you Book 2 of my notes, embellished richly with my personal comments (in red italics) and pictures I inserted from the internet. This represents over 100 HOURS of watching time on my part.

    https://www.docdroid.net/fXP7GQY/scott-m...2.pdf.html

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      My Notes on Ra Law of One Book 1 -S. Mandelker YOUTUBE Class
    Posted by: Chandlersdad - 10-05-2016, 02:20 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (38)

    https://www.docdroid.net/Z4KecGQ/scott-m...1.pdf.html


    Click on the link above to access a PDF file of my notes on Book 1 of Ra Law of One.

    I took these notes purely from watching the Scott Mandelker Book 1 Class on YOUTUBE.

    I offer this huge PDF file to anyone interested in cliff notes of Scott's lectures on YOUTUBE.

    Caveats:
    1. I do not own any of the pictures used except 1 of me with my dog (RIP).  I am using them from the internet for MY PERSONAL notes. I just happen to be offering them to you here. If anyone has a problem with them, I will remove them. But this PDF will never be published and is only being shared in case it helps someone else out.
    2. I do not claim to have represented the Scott Mandelker Class class correctly. I am rather new to the material and took notes from that perspective. This is also not a transcription. It is simply notes I took on a laptop.
    3. I include my own comments in red italic font. Some of my comments are snarky. Nonetheless, I respect the material.

    If anyone wonders why I would go through all this bother, bear in mind that I was a technical writer for years. I ROUTINELY CREATE DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS FOR MYSELF! I suppose some day the executor of my will will roll her eyes and dump them all in a trash bin. I enjoy doing this.

    Enjoy.

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