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      When a wanderer fails to remember and has to repeat third density
    Posted by: Jeremy - 07-14-2015, 09:04 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (23)

    Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

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      Ra as a teach/learner and learn/teacher and us in these roles
    Posted by: Minyatur - 07-13-2015, 10:55 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (5)

    I've seen Ra being associated with being a STO-strictly teacher, that forms of wisdom which are not STO-based would be disonant with his teachings, that non-STO behaviors would be disonant with the LOO unlike STO behaviors, but is that true and is that what Ra teaches? Or does this perception come from looking at the more biased parts of the material, ignoring in the process that Ra is a distorted teacher in the process of learning himself, only able to try his best in teaching in the less distorted way, which is of course not possible in itself.

    Ra as a teacher

    In this quote Ra presents himself as a Messenger of the LOO, wishing to teach/learn this single Law. As such I do understand that what Ra ultimately wants to teach is not the STO-path but rather the Law of One as a whole. Moving himself away more and more from the STO-path which was his own, toward a better and more unified understanding of the Whole.

    Of course this does not exclude that Ra will and can teach the STO path to those that seek to learn it, but also implies that what Ra teaches is far more than just that.

    Quote:76.8 Questioner: Were Ra’s teachings focusing on the archetypes for this Logos and the methods of achieving a very close approach to the archetypical configuration? Is this correct?
    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct without being true. We of Ra are humble messengers of the Law of One. We seek to teach/learn this single law. During the space/time of the Egyptian teach/learning we worked to bring the mind complex, the body complex, and the spirit complex into an initiated state in which the entity could contact intelligent energy and so become teach/learner itself that healing and the fruits of study could be offered to all. The study of the roots of mind is a portion of the vivification of the mind complex and, as we have noted, the thorough study of the portion of the roots of mind called archetypical is an interesting and necessary portion of the process as a whole.

    Ra as a learner

    It is important to understand that Ra teaches/learn us but also is a learn/teacher of his own. Pershaps not in relationship with this plane but Ra still goes through the very same process that we do, of moving on from distortions toward greater harmony, leaving many things behind which were held dearly, to reach greater awareness closer to the One.

    Many of Ras distortions are to fall away as he himself walks the steps of adepthood, just like any of us, as above as bellow.

    Quote:80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?

    Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.


    Law of One

    So at this point, it can be seen that Ra is both in his own eyes, a teacher and a learner of the Law of One. But how is this Law perceived by Ra in it's less distorted way?

    From the very first session, Ra explains very well the Law of One. This is the lenses through which other-selves ought to be seen in a consonant manner with the Law of One. I do think that there are many parts of the Ra material, which seen through this quote, would not be in themselves consonant with the Law of One and could be seen as distortions of it.

    Quote:1.7 Questioner: [The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.]

    Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

    That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

    In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    May we enunciate this law in more detail?

    If one wants to teach/learn the LOO, one must adhere to this very description. The Law of One cannot be taught as a Whole through polarity, through rights or wrongs, through finding mistakes in others. 

    Of course this is easier said than done as we all have various distortions of our own, which also holds true in Ra's case. But in teaching we all also are learners and as such this is always the direction through which we move, that none is exempt of leaving behind his own distortions.

    This of course, does not exclude that any other forms of teachings are well. But if one wants to teach what Ra teaches, than it is this single law which is the main focus.


    Positive attitude in teach/learning (if one wishes to be positive)

    I've seen many try to push their ideas unto others, perceiving their mentallity as something in need of being fixed rather than understood/accepted as a mirror unto themselves that has something to also teach them.

    The most important concept in teach/learning would be from my perspective to accept self foremost as a learner when trying to teach others.

    The second msot important concept would be that nothing in others shall be overcome, which would not be good in itself. There is no point in expecting others to overcome their current self because it seems not consonant with our own perception of reality, we can all only be true to ourselves just like others also are.

    Quote:18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

    The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

    The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

    All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

    It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

    I would add that whereas this is true in looking at other-selves, it also ought to be seen and understood in self.

    We are not in need of fixing, nor are others in need to fixing beyond how change naturally comes to us through our own personal desires.


    The Greatest Service 

    Quote:15.7 Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?

    Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the One Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.

    Thus, some become healers, some workers, some teachers, and so forth.

    It also ought to be understood that not all work with the same distortions and within the same illusionary circumstances, not all are to play the same role.

    The only greatest role there is, is to consciously seek the One in each our unique way of doing it. We are unfolding awareness of the Creator of Himself, and it can ever only be Love/Light and Light/Love. The only thing that can ever change, is greater awareness of what always was Love/Light and Light/Love.

    I would also think that it is important to view Ra not as a most advanced individual but rather as a group which is a blending of many many distortions in the process of transcending them.

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      4th density physics and the Reciprocal System
    Posted by: 4Dsunrise - 07-12-2015, 08:03 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (11)

    4dphilosophyproject (at) gmail.com

    If you have a serious interest in developing the IUP/AOP and producing a philosophical treatise and curriculum for mainstream university study send an email. Elaborate on what your goals are and what specific interests you may have related to this project.

    Hi 3D/4D physics and metaphysics students.

    Since its 4D transition time this topic should be of interest to the new generation of 4D millennials -- those of 3D/4D hybrid status who have a physics and math background and who want to start the pioneering work of understanding and applying 4D physics and metaphysics.

    In RM Book 1 there was an exchange between Don and Ra that offered insight into the purpose and potential of RS research for understanding and applying 4D physics for the future 4D Earth.

    Ra says that those who come after Dewey Larson will advance the RS towards a more universal physical theory for use in 4th density. Nehru and Peret have made some advances with their RS2 and kudos to them for their efforts. But I feel there's a need for some creative 4D millennials with 4D intuitions to fulfill Ra's prediction.

    Here's what Don and Ra said:

    Don: I am aware of the physics of Dewey B. Larson, who states that all is motion or vibration. Am I correct in assuming that the basic vibration that makes up the physical world changes, thus creating a different set of parameters, shall I say, in this short period of time between density changes allowing for the new type of being? Am I correct?

    Ra: This is correct.

    Don: Is the physics of Dewey Larson correct?

    Ra: The physics of sound vibrational complex, Dewey, is a correct system as far as it is able to go. There are those things which are not included in this system. However, those coming after this particular entity, using the basic concepts of vibration and the study of vibrational distortions, will begin to understand that which you know as gravity and those things you consider as “n” dimensions. These things are necessary to be included in a more universal, shall we say, physical theory.

    Don: Did this entity, Dewey, then bring this material through for use primarily in the fourth density?

    Ra: This is correct.

    So, in essence Don and Ra say the following:

    1. in the RS all physical and transphysical manifestation is motion or vibration
    2. that the basic vibration that makes up the physical Earth environment changes
    3. that this change of basic vibration creates a different set of parameters
    4. that this new set of parameters occurs during the 4D transition
    5. that these new parameters allow for a new 4D environment and way of being
    6. that a new notion of gravity in 4D is necessary for a complete theory
    7. that a new notion of "n dimensions" in 4D is necessary for a complete theory
    8. the new notion will be based on deeper understanding of the basic concepts of
    vibration and of vibrational distortions.

    Now, understanding the 4D physics should hopefully lead to exotic technologies for environmental and ecological restructuring of the planet and for making conveniences for the 4D society to flourish as a SMC. It should also have applications towards personal and interpersonal evolution through better understanding of vibrational dynamics.

    So for 4D millennials out there who think that this is a project worthy of pursuing here is the thread to introduce yourself and to meet some like-minded 4D researchers. You can form a research team and work together in however way you choose.

    I'm here to facilitate and to offer ideas in some follow-up posts. Ideally, I hope to combine the RS2 of Nehru and Peret with some metamath and IUP/AOP ideas.

    One such idea is based on the principle of identity and of how notions of vibration may be derived from it. The identity A ---> A involves an entity and interaction that can be considered both rotational and vibrational. It's a topological concept.

    That's just one possibility -- I've got some more rough ideas for later posts but in the meantime would like to hear from 4D physics researchers.

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      "How does an individual go about balancing himself?"
    Posted by: Plenum - 07-08-2015, 04:19 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (6)

    this is quite a long passage, but I'll just highlight the bits where there are symptomatic observations of blockages; that is, indicators which are behavioural, which we can observe in ourself and others, that are clues to blockages being the ultimate cause of distorted thinking and behaviour.

    Quote:15.12 Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?

    Ra: I am Ra. The steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. This understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. The first balancing is of the Malkuth, or Earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. An understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental.

    The next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. This blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self-conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

    The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions towards power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

    The center of heart, or green ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, towards infinite intelligence. Blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

    The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

    The next center is the pineal or indigo-ray center. Those blocked in this center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthiness. This is that of which you spoke. As you can see, this is but one of many distortions due to the several points of energy influx into the mind/body/spirit complex. The indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and having also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

    The remaining center of energy influx is simply the total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. It is as it will be, “balanced” or “imbalanced” has no meaning at this energy level, for it gives and takes in its own balance. Whatever the distortion may be, it cannot be manipulated as can the others and, therefore, has no particular importance in viewing the balancing of an entity.

    The reason why I bring balancing up is that I believe that it is central to the development of who we are as individual entities.  We live in a society, we have close relationships, we have friendships and connections ... but, ultimately, the journey is ours - although it is not in isolation from the journey of others.

    We all have a responsibility to become better individuals.  We don't have to, of course, that's free will.  But looking back on our lives, I am sure we can all say that we know more now (and understand more) than we did 5 years ago.  There is progress, and there is greater integration.

    For me, the work of balancing is ongoing, daily.  And while we can see others and their patterns of various distortions, they have their own responsibility to observe the feedback life gives them, and if they don't like the feedback, then some sort of mismatch or disharmony is present between the individual and the environment/society.  One can't blame others for this internal disharmony.  That's indicative of self blockage.

    So while every individual is unique in their chosen lessons, and how they go about learning, there is something fundamental about the energy centres (being a mapping of consciousness), just like there is something fundamental about the presence of the archetypes.  It's a common; a given to all incarnate 3d entities on this planet right now.  The more we balance and understand ourselves, the more we can understand and help balance them, as there is a planetary consonance with the materials we are working with: that is, a third density consciousness.

    The Ra Material contains many topics; historical, cosmological, philosophical.  But the practical elements are the ones which we can directly apply, if that's our intention to utilise a 6d perspective on 3d evolutionary processes.

    It's not easy; but it's a starting point (the Ra quote above, I mean).

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      Balancing/Ascension - In its most simplistic form
    Posted by: Namaste - 06-27-2015, 03:25 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (13)

    Throughout the hundreds of pages in 5 books, this single paragraph - in the context of correct awakening - from Book 2 is one of my favourites. Concise and utterly profound...

    Quote:Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.

    And so, to be all that you can be (STO of course), these simple understandings are all one needs to practice. Moment after moment, day after day...

    Red ray (survival) - trusting, feeling safe and nurtured by your environment.

    Orange ray (personal identity) - accepting and loving yourself.

    Yellow ray (social relations) - accepting and loving yourself when with other people; the ability to mix with other selves confidently in equality

    Green ray (universal love) - accepting and loving other selves, without condition

    Blue ray (free communication) - expressing yourself truthfully and allowing others to express themselves without judgement

    Indigo ray (universal energies) - accepting and understanding actions (by the self and other selves) as response to catalyst; the notion of karma (programming experiences) and teach/learning.

    Violet ray (sacramental experience) - trusting/knowing/seeing/loving all of the above as the Creator; the Self.

    The activation of green ray with a 'proper' balance of each of these marks an entity as harvestable. If you feel you're a wanderer, remember, it's not about telling other selves what is 'right' (as that is an imbalance of yellow/blue ray), it's about showing people by your example, that living by the above yields a life lived in joy (also known as heaven). This is why Jesus spoke in parables, and Ghandi stated that his life was his message.

    Peace :¬)

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      What truely makes someone STS
    Posted by: Matt1 - 06-26-2015, 12:55 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (43)

    Out of interests what truly makes someone STS? I think i have a fairly decent idea on it but i would like to hear other peoples views. I feel that the idea of STS is almost like a super villain or some cartoon bad guy, that is normally given. In this sense i feel that someone is sts when they consciously hurt or abuse someone to get what they want. However i feel there is taboo on many different things that are generally seen as LHP or sts. Drugs, prostitutes, drinking, eating meat and magick. However if someone does those things are but aren't directly harming someone is it really STS?

    Take Crowley for example, he took drugs, practices LHP magick, had sex with prostitutes , although some what unbalanced Ra said he was a positive entity. So it makes me think that do we really need to develop such a goody personal life in order to be able to positive and reach 4th density? I found myself trying to give up many of the so called negative general aspects in order to be STO but is that really the case?

    If someone is balanced and is seeing the love in the moment, then shouldn't it be easy for them to be able to do all of those things above and not be STS or have bad karma? If someone was to reach the 95% sts, i would think you would need to be a socialpath, someone really evil like Genghis Khan. However what i tend to find is that people who call themselves LHP are normally just breaking social taboos and aren't really hurting anyone and those who are RHP and fundamentalists are really hurtful to many people. So its a fine line between the two paths i think.

     

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      dinos and bipeds
    Posted by: Bluebell - 06-25-2015, 05:54 AM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (9)

    Quote:30.6 Questioner: Thank you. I don’t wish to cover ground that we have covered before but it sometimes is helpful to restate these concepts for complete clarity since words are a poor tool for what we do.

    Just as a passing point, I was wondering, in— on this planet during the second density I believe there was habitation at the same time/space of bipedal entities and what we call the dinosaurs. Is this correct?


    Ra:
     I am Ra. This is correct.


    30.7 Questioner: These two types of entities seem to be incompatible, you might say, with each other. I don’t know. Can you tell me the reason behind both types of entities inhabiting the same space/time?

    Ra: I am Ra. Consider the workings of free will as applied to evolution. There are paths that the mind/body complex follows in an attempt to survive, to reproduce, and to seek in its fashion that which is unconsciously felt as the potential for growth; these two arenas or paths of development being two among many.


    is this monkeys? or something else?

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      Pet investment
    Posted by: Nicholas - 06-24-2015, 03:07 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (14)

    I have a cat named "Gizmo" (named after a weird looking creature from the film "Gremlins") and he is over 14 years old now. He is such a sensitive cat that he now refuses to go outside. One example of this was when I opened the door of our flat, he gingerly walked out and heard a pigeon go "cooooh". His ears immediately tucked in and he ran back indoors!

    Now how can a cat get more sensitive than that!?

    Anyway, the point of this post is my relationship with him. I picked him out from a litter over 14 yeas ago and we have been mates ever since. During this time I came to read the LOO books and one day while he was snuggled up to me, I had the desire to look into his eyes. The concept of sending love/light, as well as pet investment intrigued me.

    As he often does when my attention is not directed at him, he looked up at me, arching his neck. At this moment I focused my attention towards his right eye (for some reason I simply cannot look at both eyes, whether human or animal, so I focus on one eye) and his pupil immediately began to dilate. For what seemed like roughly 3/4 of a second, his pupil continued to dilate and suddenly he looked down at the couch, turned around and sat down, and began to purr.

    What struck me in that moment (yes I am aware that this is purely a subjective experience) was the term used by Ra regarding the process of harvest. That being the "steps of light".

    Quote:
    "The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light."

    Gizmo looked away from me at the point that my "light", or attention to his eye became too glaring for him. Instead, he looked away, turned around and flopped down beside me and began to purr.

    So my reason for sharing this personal experience with my buddy is two fold. Firstly, I encourage anyone with a special pet friend to give it a try. But more importantly, if my subjective experience has any validity to it, the process of harvest in the metaphysical sense is totally in our own control. He simply looked away, no drama, no distress, he just looked away from the light that I had offered to him.

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      Safe sex?
    Posted by: Nicholas - 06-24-2015, 01:29 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (4)

    I wanted to focus on two Ra quotes which seem to me to have a subtle correlation. First is the well identifiable experience of a male being physically attracted, or aroused by the presence of a female...

    Quote:94.10 Questioner: From the previous session the statement was made that much is veiled to the most apparently clear observation. Would Ra expand on what was meant by that statement? I assume that this means the veiling of all of that that is outside the limits of what we call our physical perception having to do with the spectrum of light, etc., but I also intuit there is more than that veiled. Would Ra expand on that concept?

    Ra: I am Ra. You are perceptive in your supposition. Indeed, we meant not any suggestions that the physical apparatus of your current illusion were limited as part of the veiling process. Your physical limits are as they are.

    However, because of the unique biases of each mind/body/spirit complex there are sometimes quite simple instances of distortion when there is no apparent cause for such distortion. Let us use the example of the virile and immature male who meets and speaks clearly with a young female whose physical form has the appropriate configuration to cause, for this male entity, the activation of the red-ray sexual arousal.

    Ra then, in an earlier session seem to describe a more philosophical approach to this "red-ray sexual arousal"

    Quote:60.16 Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex at that time to be of paramount importance as, shall I say, a physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naïve beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.

    Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naïveté in third density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

    So our practical solution to safe sex can be identified by the use of a condom. What would, or could be the philosophical applications towards safe sex?

    Sex education would be my first impulse here. What type of education? Which taboos in our culture might inhibit such education? Furthermore, what other philosophical approaches are available to us?

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      The Veil in the Body
    Posted by: Plenum - 06-17-2015, 04:47 PM - Forum: Strictly Law of One Material - Replies (33)

    I've become quite interested in the nature of the 'Veil' quite recently.  This is due, in part, to some of the threads and other discussions that have come up elsewhere.

    When the Veil is referenced, it is usually in the context of the mind complex.  That is, the Veil represents a partition or a barrier/layer that creates two things:  there is the 'thing' on this side, which we know of as the conscious mind, and then there is the 'thing' on the other side, which contains everything else, which can be classified as the unconscious mind.

    This initial division, created what Ra calls a 'complex'; or that which is something that is no longer singular:

    Quote:83.19 Questioner: What was the mechanism of the very first veiling process? I don’t know if you can answer that. Would you try to, though, answer that?

    Ra: I am Ra. The mechanism of the veiling between the conscious and unconscious portions of the mind was a declaration that the mind was complex. This, in turn, caused the body and the spirit to become complex.

    once the mind became complex, then the body and spirit also became complex.  (there is actually a quote where Don asks specifically how to define what a 'complex' is).

    So we have the situation where the mind is complex; ie, a conscious portion of mind, and an unconscious portion of mine.  These are symbolically represented in the first two archetypes as the Matrix and Potentiator of Mind.

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    the body also became 'complex'.

    Quote:83.20 Questioner: Would you give me an example of a complex activity of the body that we have now and how it was not complex prior to the veil?

    Ra: I am Ra. Prior to the great experiment a mind/body/spirit was capable of controlling the pressure of blood in the vein, the beating of the organ you call the heart, the intensity of the sensation known to you as pain, and all the functions now understood to be involuntary or unconscious.

    so basically, there are body functions which are regulated to 'automatic status' currently, which we used to be able to control with a thought - almost like changing the thermostat on your air-con.

    The interesting thing is that the list of functions which were automated (made unconscious), and those which were not was a result of experimentation.

    "There were many experiments whereby various of the functions or distortions of the body complex were veiled and others not. A large number of these experiments resulted in nonviable body complexes or those only marginally viable. For instance, it is not a survival-oriented mechanism for the nerve receptors to blank out unconsciously any distortions towards pain."

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    I guess the ultimate query/seeking of this thread is this:

    * we know that we can start consciously penetrating the nature of the Veil in mind.  Even though it is not able to be totally lifted in a 3d vehicle, it is permeable, and able to be penetrated with magical/higher self work.

    * likewise, it would seem to me that an adept would not only start knowing their body and it's requirements well over time, but that as part of that self-knowing, the Veil in the body would also start to be permeable.

    Some of the functions that Ra listed above as being 'veiled' (the beating of the organ you call the heart, the intensity of the sensation known to you as pain), there have been observations on deep meditation which show that some individuals are able to deliberately lower metabolic rates, and become almost insensitive to pain.

    This issue becomes a bit tangled, because some of these stories/studies on yogi's maybe them accessing chi and using that to prevent physical injury, rather than them sustaining injury and then not feeling the pain (thinking here of Shaolin Monks).

    so I think a distinction may have to be made about using 'energy' to achieve certain bodily effects, and the actual penetrating of the Body Veil to directly access the functions that Ra is referencing.

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