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Its fun to speculate, but perhaps in the previous octave, all consciousness was one with the Creator. Totally perfect. We were all Gods/Goddesses, in the purest union and expression of our beloved Creator far before the physical universes were created. This octave was/is the true Eden, and what is seen as the Fall was simply a loving choice given to us.

Individuality did exist in this octave. We all had the full powers of the Creator. "Evil" was not a concept. Individuality did exist. We all did our own thing in peace. Maybe some were more prone to "power" rather than being negative, like Lucifer, the Most Powerful Angel. Although this Creator god was no more powerful than the other of the countless number of entities in this octave.

In other words, it was grand But, there was no growth since all was perfect and already grown.

Than all were called to our Creator's Home where we were given a choice. We could all go create an infinite Universe on our own to care and express ourselves as we choose and the assurance that we will be aided by the Creator. No one was forced to go and few remained until we all meet again by our own choosing.

Since according to Ra the next octave is something they don't even know much about, I'll describe my views and how it connects with this Trinity.

So we had the first octave, then we have all our Universes ever created by us in this octave. Than we got the next one, which I think is where we can help look after this octave but we start to build our power and perception of this Great Trinity through those levels of experience, with the highest of that Octave being aware of those from the first and second octaves.

One trinity cycle represents Grace, our "Fall" we became aware of the difference between good and evil, which we first express here on the first density of spirit, 3rd. Finally, Redemption we begin to be truly aware of our connection with the true Creator. We gain in power and insight as perhaps is more similar to experience in the first octave, but with some notable differences.

Scientifically, physical expression of this pattern is in the atom, with the proton (positive) and neutron (neutral) in the center, with electrons (negative) surrounding it, which to me signifies the personality/ego.

I first stumbled onto The Law of One books about 2 1/2 weeks ago and everything changed for me. Went from being the world's biggest skeptic to a devout believer in most things mystic/occult.

Anyways... I was deeply into to physics for a number of years, especially fundamental theoretical physics. The work of James Clerk Maxwell and Paul Dirac were the deepest and most mysterious to me. The idea of a omnipotent force underlying the universe has always been particularly intriguing, all the strange quantum behavior of tunnelling and entanglement and what-not. I finally got around to believing that the electromagnetic field is just bound pairs of electrons and positrons, which probably doesn't mean a whole lot to anyone, but it brings me to my main point. For the electrons (negative) and positrons (positive) to be attracted to each other the electrons must give out a mysterious substance while the positrons take it in. Furthermore, this substance must be incompressible and travel faster than light. The nature of this substance is a total mystery to me and my "solution" of a field of pairs seems to just create another problem in its place.

Regardless of whether you read or skipped the previous section the thing im getting to is that there are 7 densities per octave, but what is the nature of the octaves? Ra likened them to the musical scale; where it just keeps repeating over and over but in a "hightened" way (higher frequency). This means that the density that occurs after all the epicness and fusion of Seventh density is just the first one all over again. Why reverting?

After 7th density, after ultra-refinement of desire and orientation and honor/duty, the universe graduates back to the starting point. Why would such "advanced" entities COLLECTIVELY decide to revert? I am led to believe that if you were to look at the eighth density it would look/behave strangley similar to what we call, in this density, Quantum Mechanics. It would seem that the ultimate purpose of the universe is to know itself, and having done that, create in it's own image, making a larger-scale version of the 1st density that it was based on (in that octave) using the cooperation of multiple entities spread out to emulate the physics that they are based upon.

I do not claim to understand the ramifications of this but it does neatly explain how when I was a child I had the sneaking suspicion that if you looked through a microscope far enough you would eventually see the back of your head, because you would be seeing you standing there (or sitting) looking in a microscope. Almost like you could go down to the microcosm but if you look at the macrocosm or "zoomed-out" on the universe, what would you see? I suspect you would just see our universe on a smaller scale. You could go out as far as you want and just see smaller and smaller stuff. You wouldn't see any electrons or protons or anything making up another universe. The reason for this is because we haven't gotten our heads on straight and started to cooperate on a universal scale in order to replicate the physics on which we are based. As to how we would accomplish this, we will eventually learn to harness the underlying field of unlimited energy and instant communication. The existence of this field would explain much, not only problems in physics. It would explain how conversations with extraterrestrials is, for the most part, instant. It also explains quantum entanglement, ESP, telepathy, clairvoyance, the list goes on. On some level we are already able to utilize this field. Some people call it the mystic realm, or spiritual energy. It neatly makes sense of all the strange things that go in in out-of-body experiences, dreams, and alien communications. This field is being used by all entities in this octave and thus there will be a lot of interference. Ra even states it has to use a "narrow band" to transmit on.

I'm sure my grasp of the Ra Material is ameteurish and lacking (I just finished book 2) but I feel the need to get this out there. I got into physics in order to disprove religion and mysticism and ended up doing the opposite. Cosmic Irony FTW!

one of the things that my username ervokes in myself is the notion of 'fullness' or 'completeness'. Ra refers to the word 'plenum' as being opposite in nature to what we normally consider a 'vacuum' - which is normally taken to be an absense of material. The 'plenum' represents a greater fullness.

An extension of that 'fullness' would go to the rainbow, and its perfect division into the 7 colors. It is 'complete' in its own way.

and so part of my 'vibing' with the word plenum is the idea of balance and fullness across the spectrum of colors - the 7 chakras to be more specific.

part of this 'balance' is a certain proportionality and nice ratios between the energy centres; no-one center taking precedence over another. As Ra says in regards to red ray - "This ray may be understood to be the basic strengthening ray for each density. It shall never be condescended to as less important or productive of spiritual evolution, for it is the foundation ray." So the 'lowest ray' being red, is not less important than say the green, or the violet.

and in each individual, there is a different balance, as each is coming or approaching life from a set of biases that have been established in other existences (these biases swirling around as various intuitions, preferences, likes/dislikes, 'gut feelings', 'conscience' in regards to certain matters). The forgetting here of the Veil is to do with specifics; but the Veil does not obliterate biases - these are registered in the significator of the archetype - these being the Hanged Man, the Hierophant, and the Sun.

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but back to balance and proportionality and the 'plenum'.

Ra speaks much about 'minimal balance' and its much preferred angle of attack for the positive seeker. Inherently, the negative seeker is one who prioritises orange and yellow ray activities over green and blue, using the lower triad to springboard to the gateway opening. The positive seeker is attempting a total acceptance of their experience; which corresponds to an equally spaced and attentive activity over the 7 rays. (total acceptance here being total acceptance of all incoming energies and experiences). This is the ideal of course.

Some lives, in an attempt to move towards greater balance (harmony and proportionality that is) program experiences to do with opening of the heart into unconditional love (green ray), or put oneself into situations where social expression and inspiration may be at the forefront (yellow ray genius and abilities).

but regardless, this 'minimal balance' is presented as the touchstone for a positive seeker.

here are some quotes:

Quote:40.4 It is necessary for graduation across densities for the primary energy centers to be functioning in such a way as to communicate with intelligent infinity and to appreciate and bask in this light in all of its purity. However, to fully activate each energy center is the mastery of few, for each center has a variable speed of rotation or activity. The important observation to be made once all necessary centers are activated to the minimal necessary degree is the harmony and balance between these energy centers.

Quote:43.8 Thusly the entity is concerned, if it be upon the path of positive harvestability, with the regularizing of the various energies of experience.

Thus the most fragile entity may be more balanced than one with extreme energy and activity in service to others due to the fastidiousness with which the will is focused upon the use of experience in knowing the self.

The densities beyond your own give the minimally balanced individual much time/space and space/time with which to continue to refine these inner balances.

Quote:86.7 As a mind/body/spirit* consciously chooses the path of the adept and, with each energy center balanced to a minimal degree, begins to open the indigo-ray energy center, the so-called dreaming becomes the most efficient tool for polarization, for, if it is known by the adept that work may be done in consciousness while the so-called conscious mind rests

Quote:75.23 The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.

The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator.

Quote:63.7 Questioner: Would I be correct in guessing that vital energy is a function of the awareness or bias of the entity with respect to its polarity or general unity with the Creator or creation?

Ra: I am Ra. In a nonspecific sense we may affirm the correctness of your statement. The vital energy may be seen to be that deep love of life or life experiences such as the beauty of creation and the appreciation of other-selves and the distortions of your co-Creators’ making which are of beauty.

Without this vital energy the least distorted physical complex will fail and perish.

With this love or vital energy or élan the entity may continue though the physical complex is greatly distorted.

Ra mentioned several times about wanderers who partially awaken.

One of the recent posts in another thread spoke about the discomfort felt by partially awoken wanderers and their desire to just return home.

This discomfort has been a challenge for me especially recently.
Physical discomfort, relational discomfort (I used to be more charming and attract friendly interactions), spiritual discomfort, energetic discomfort, etc.

What must be done to fully awaken??? I don't want to wallow in discomfort and I don't want to return home just yet.

here, Don is asking about the Confederation and passing through Quarantine. Each request must be offered up to the Council, and if acceptable, the Quarantine is lifed for that particular purpose.

some salient points in this answer:

*there have been as many as 15 Confederation entities in our airspace at one time

* at the time of this session (Jan 24, 1981), there were 7 Confederation entities present in our 3d space - 7 craft, or 7 groups of the confederation??

* the purpose of ufo's (in a positive sense) is to evoke a sense of mystery in those 'uninformed' or what might be termed 'unawakened'; so that it might act as a trigger to seek beyond the material visible things and aim towards unity/infinity.

here's the passage in question:

Quote:6.25 Questioner: Do any of them come here at this time in spacecraft? In the past, say, thirty years?

Ra: I am Ra. We must state that this information is unimportant. If you will understand this, we feel that the information may be acceptably offered. The Law of One is what we are here to express. However, we will speak upon this subject.

Each planetary entity which wishes to appear within your third-dimensional space/time distortion requests permission to break quarantine, as you may call it, and appear to your peoples. The reason and purpose for this appearance is understood and either accepted or rejected.

There have been as many as fifteen of the Confederation entities in your skies at any one time; the others available to you through thought.

At present there are seven which are operating with craft in your density.

Their purposes are very simple: to allow those entities of your planet to become aware of infinity which is often best expressed to the uninformed as the mysterious or unknown.

I know this was covered but can't seem to find it.

in this passage here, Ra speaks of the magical personality and some of its more important qualities.

they correspond roughly to the upper triad of chakras (green, blue, and indigo), working in a harmonious and balanced fashion (not too much emphasis on one or the other, but rather, like a camera tripod, the legs are in some sort of level seeking, providing a firm footing.)

here is the section, with Don's question:

Quote:75.32 Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.

The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.

one of the most challenging steps that Ra recommends is the consideration of Desires. That desires (quite often from in a religious sense, whether it being Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish or others) should be understood, and not dismissed out of hand as somehow being evil, selfish, or self-destructive.

In an effort to address those desires, we can quite often choose to deny ourselves, rather than following through with them (either in the physical or in the mental). We suppress them by whatever means. And we do this because somehow we think it will make us 'more pure' or 'more holy'. But the confrontation with desire has not taken place ... it has just been moved to the backburner for a time.

in this passage here, coming in the later sessions, Ra addresses a decision made by Carla to stop buying clothes for herself for a year because it was seen as an indulgence or a waste of money. But this form of self-denial (or a very mild expression of martyrdom) has some considerable consequences. Here is what Ra has to offer:

Quote:103.8 As to the instrument, the journey from worth in action to worth in esse is arduous.

The entity has denied itself in order to be free from that which it calls addiction. This sort of martyrdom, and here we speak of the small but symbolically great sacrifice of the clothing, causes the entity to frame a selfhood in poorness which feeds unworthiness unless the poverty is seen to be true richness.

In other words, good works for the wrong reasons cause confusion and distortion.

We encourage the instrument to value itself and to see that its true requirements are valued by the self. We suggest contemplation of true richness of being.

hello there everyone, I am wondering about one of the psychic surgeons talked about in the "Law of One" Pachita do you guys believe she is the real deal? I have found a post dating several years back to a guy who claimed to have met her and took a camera to her practice, so I was wondering if that fellow is still on the forum could he tell me what he thought?
also I think some of you guys might know of a woman named Johanna Michaelsen who claimed to have worked with Pachita and claimed she was "devil" possessed she even wrote a book about it, I was wondering how would anyone who believes Pachita truly has the powers of healing respond to Johanna Michaelsen?