2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

[Ali Quadir]

Eh. I said it before, but the fact that I can't fly is a very clear infringement on my free will. Or maybe it isn't because I chose to live a life in which I cannot fly.

Man's inability to destroy the earth is a clear infringement on it's free will... Or maybe it isn't because they chose to live a life on a planet, not destroy it.

Free will does not mean free here and free now. You have a tendency to be very mental about this.

then if you chose to live in an alternate timeline that had no veil, that would be an exercise of your free will.

Precisely... And some people do that. Including some people on this planet. However, due to the nature of free will their worlds and lives become isolated from the others. Touching but isolated.

The occult world has a fair amount of persons that do stuff that would apparently break the law of free will. And I've seen some of them do it. Yet if no one sees them do it then the law is not broken. People have an in built censoring mechanism that just filters out information not belonging to their world view.

I've once been in a ritual that involved a dramatic merging of 4 people into one. 2 of those people were spiritually involved, the other 2 came there by chance and curiosity. The next day, 2 people remembered what happened, the other 2 were a little fuzzy but remember having a great time, not too sure doing what though. But it was cool and fun... Whatever it was.

Again, the presumption that your mind which is a part of the whole is sufficient to grasp the whole simply does not make sense.

mind is a part of mind/body/spirit complex, which actually creates the whole existence around you,

Not precisely, it is only your worldy manifestation. It defines how you stand in the world for sure and how people perceive you, but it is created just like the world by the underlying soul. Mind is part of creation, not part of creator. However, obviously creator has the substance that mind is created from. It is a reflection of that intelligence. But it is not the same intelligence as known in human psychology. It just uses it in a distorted way to function.

Did you note how Ra describes himself as a social memory complex? He describes himself differently and points out with it that what he is is different, he is not a mind/body/spirit complex.

including the free will you so highly speak of. there is an entire book, an entire working in LOO that was intended to precisely do this thing, and even going beyond the scope of a galaxy, or a veil, or universe - Book 4 explores the concepts of mind, subconscious, free will, choice. it directly explores the MIND of the sub logos, the sun, and other sub logoses.

if you havent read that book, and dont know anything about this, then do not speak on things that you dont know about. there is an entire book in Law of One series, which you are actually discussing in this forum, that does the very thing you try to call people not to do.

I'm sorry but in direct violation of your orders I will continue to speak on things that I do in fact know about. You don't actually object to what I'm saying, just to what you think I'm saying. You misunderstand things on a regular basis. You misunderstood what Monica was saying and simply stated that I misunderstood her. In effect you took her words to support your views when in fact they did not.

This isn't a conflict, there's no reason to get upset or take things personal. So lets take Monica's advice and keep things civil. I do not tell you what to do. You should not tell me. If you have an issue with me then one of the moderators will surely hear your complaints and take the appropriate action.

you may be choosing to ignore one aspect of your being by belittling and ignoring an aspect of your entity that constitues up to 1/3 of your whole being, that is your choice. but, participating in a discussion/working that aims to understand the mysteries by actually USING that part of existence, and calling others to stop doing that because you yourself believe that you are incapable of understanding it, is beyond sensible itself.

Again, your assumptions cause you to err while filling out the blanks... I don't belittle mind. It's one of the greatest tools I've got... It's still a distortion... Respecting something does not require utter blindness to it's limitations.

One might actually state the opposite. Respect demands that we accept a things limitations.

dont participate in the discussion if you dont want to pay respect properly and use your mind complex. dont keep calling people to stop thinking over new horizons, if you do the opposite.

You think you understand what I'm on about and can so simply reject it... However, you don't get it. I'm not calling people to stop thinking across intellectual horizons.

I'm telling to feel across them, intuit across them, actually exist across them. Not here as much though, bring4thers tend to get that part.

basically, we are thinking here, and you are saying, 'dont think'. which sounds more like the approach of a particular middle eastern religion to existence, with its forbidding of any investigation of mysteries, than anything philosophical or all encompassing.

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When did I say that? I said your mind is UNABLE to contain some information. This is a fact of life, modern science modern philosophy and every single ancient holy book has been telling us this all these years.. None of them tell us to stop thinking.. (Though disciples might)

If you think I advocate to stop all thinking you have really not heard a single word of what I said.

But can you? Actually stop thinking and perceive reality directly? This is not just what middle eastern religions advocate. It's what the eastern religions advocate. Budhism, Taoism, Hinduism. While middle eastern religions do make some effort in that direction the far east really are the guys who take it to the top.

83.15 Questioner: What techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other that those planned?

Ra: I am Ra. There were none planned by the first great experiment. As all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. The outcome was unknown. It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. The desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.

what some of you take as creator, and talk about being unfathomable, unimaginable and so on, is NOT the creator you talk about - its infinity.

It's just words friend. The creator exists on all levels and is in all things. Intelligent infinity is just another name for the creator.

below is the definition of creator, intelligent infinity, as Ra puts it :

13.7 Questioner: After this, what came next?

Ra: I am Ra. Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

Can you explain how this is different from what I'm saying? It seems to me that intelligent infinity is by definition clearly beyond the grasp of limited mind. Not that we should stop thinking, but we should use ALL our faculties to grok it.

Note how he also links it to love? Remember I said earlier that this love was the key? Did you get that reference? It is a clear indication that we need more than our minds to get it. And that's all I'm saying, not that mind is useless, or that we should stop using it.

We should just stop pretending our mind contains undistorted reality or is even theoretically able to contain reality. Because it's not. It only contains a model.