Can beings, that are neither 50% STS, nor 50% STO ascend

[Black Dragon]

I edited my above post about a possible middle path, which was a bit negatively colored with my own distortions, to be a little more inquisitive and less negative, and point out that the tree of life seems to do depict the possibility of a consciously chosen middle path. Interesting implications. That being said, having to choose a polarity does NOT mean having to choose a rigid dogma. I'm STO, but the way I express that, all the little biases and colorings and differences in my process and methods for expressing what to my heart is the positive polarity, is unique, as is everyone's. There's no dogma or one way to express your polarity, though there are certain guidelines that form a framework for each polarity. The nuances are infinite, and the way each serves is totally unique, so no, you aren't necessarily forced to conform to a dogma that does not come from within your own heart.

The universe is undergoing a shift to make polarizing just a tiny bit less veiled, harsh, and miserable-with no veil the "porridge was too cold" and nobody polarized or made progress, now it's too hot and that's what's making our harvests small. These new energies will give even more freedom to express our polarity in more refined, unique, and beautiful ways that feel fulfilling and worthwhile.

[kristina]

As I can understand, according the Ra it is better to be polarized even to the negative path than not to be polarized.

Is it better to bring up your child to be a full qualified (> 95%) criminal than don't bring up?
Is it better to be a human beast, like Himmler (35.5), than to be a lesser sinner or even lesser (<50%) good doer?

Hey guys, aren't you nuts?

OK. Your replies are making me laugh as I find them quite adorable, what can I say?
In this forum, I do not think we want to raise our children to become mini beasts like Himmler. With that being said, it is better to make The Choice than to remain indifferent. So, what's your pleasure? Or...you could go on, with your life making one conscious choice after another which is still choosing. We are not in an amazing race to the finish line, we are merely living life as our true selves and if you can manage to do this, you are in movement. It would be better to be authentically "you" and work on your consciousness according to your own abilities than to try and figure out what you are or what you are not. All that is required is living. The building of this "living" is being a conscious entity. Love and light

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I honestly have a hard time getting your analogy here, so forgive any possible misinterpretation. To be frank, I'm not really sure what you're on about right now. However, I shall respond to the best of my ability.

Okay, here goes....


"1+1=3 is not about my decision, my decision, my will, is to verify it or don't verify it (i.e. to accept blind faith)."


Listen, you asked a SUBJECTIVE question: "What is the fruit? (of the Law of One material)" and I tasked you with taking the prerequisite personal responsibility of interpreting this subjective question yourself. Why? Because it is a SUBJECTIVE question. You dislike the answer it seems, so you retort with the implication that an objective answer exists. ("2+2 does not equal 3") You did NOT ask an objective question there, so you cannot assert an objective answer. If you feel you HAVE the answer aleady, there is no point in asking, unless it was not truly a question, in which case please feel free to start arguments with somebody else.

Nonetheless, I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME. That is all anybody outside yourself can tell you when you ask a subjective question like "What is the fruit of the Law of One material?"

Moving on...

"I claim the polarization of STO/STS is not primary but secondary matter. The primary matter is subject, who serves to self/others (see John 8:42)"

Polarization is the process of you answering that question for yourself.

"Let's suppose I give you some great car* (an EU car, I am from EU, sorry). It is your first car and you are enthusiastic about it. I'll teach you how to drive but give you the instruction that the most important matter is the manual gear, gearing, not the road, the road is secondary. If you believe me, it'll kill you one day. I don't need to kill you myself, you will kill yourself and you will even be thankful for me."

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

I don't know what in your analogy you consider to be the equivalent of advising you to pay attention to the road, but surely, you can see how emphasizing the importance of presence and mindfulness is a good guess and makes a s*** ton of sense.

"Yes, but he also indicated the unimportance of some question (3.6). When the Ra saw strong interest in pyramids (because healing) he discouraged of it (4.8) and he didn't see disrespecting free will of such advise. Because it was implicitly evolved in the intention of the questioners (if the Ra wouldn't direct them and answered such kind of questions they could spent maybe theirs lives in it as a pyramid creators e.g.)"

I don't know what questions you in your infinite wisdom believe Ra was responsible for answering unasked, but the truth is, that is for Ra to decide, not you.

I mean, you are free to your own opinion, but it seems you are arguing with me as to how Ra should have best gone about doing whatever job you think Ra's job was. I don't really know how you figure your deliberately limited 3D understanding is somehow more competent than Ra's at figuring out the appropriate guidelines for not violating Confederation rules or breaking the Law of Confusion.

Hopefully though, when ypu reach late 6th density, you will have a betyer go of it.

You can choose to trust Ra's judgement or not on the matter but where you put your trust is your decision.

I really cannot answer for you why you should trust or care about anything Ra says or even why you should believe that the LOO material was a legitimate channeling, or whether it was a con, hoax, or delusional fantasy on the parts of Jim, Don and Carla or whatever. Again, that is up to you.

"Don was (physically) seriously ill and we can suppose all group wanted Don's health."

And?

"And the Ra answered some useless questions about a cat…"

Because that is what was asked.

Seems to me that you are essentially reading Jim, Carla and Don's spiritual Google search results and expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that the search query: "What's up with my cat?"

Didn't have a thing at the top saying "Did you mean 'What's up with Don's health?'"

And at that, we move onto the next bit:


"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

Ra's function in these channelings is less like that of a babysitter and more like that of an encyclopedia.

Just because the encyclopedia is sapient doesn't mean it was a dick move on the encyclopedia's part not to inform you of the spider in your boot. That is neither it's function, nor it's purpose in the affair.

As for how you can expect to find out there is a scorpion in your boot, there are 2 ways as I see it: 1 PAY ATTENTION and look in your boot, or b) don't pay attention
and find out unexpectedly.

Remember when you emphasized the importance of paying attention to the road in your analogy?

Well, Ra can't pay attention to the road for you and is not your GPS.

As for whether you could have known to pay attention to the road or not, again, the constant heavy emphasis on meditation and presence is that advice.

If you want an OBJECTIVE ANSWER as to why you must graduate 51+% positive or 95+% negative, the closest thing to an objective answer I can think of would be because those are the rules in this part of reality and you chose to subject yourself to them before incarnating.

Why did you do that? None but you can answer that.

Why are those the rules?

Well... As Ra said: "This not the density of understanding."

So don't expect a "2+2=4" type of answer. 3rd density is not the most suitable density for understanding that.

Still, if I were to make a guess, I theorize that maybe it is because that is the least amount of polarity needed for you to find clarity and meaning in your next stages of your spiritual seeking.

Remember Ra warning us about the dangers of attempting to graduate before you are truly ready?

It seems you do not.

In the LOO material, they asked about Hitler and Ra said Hitler drove himself insane trying to polarize too quickly and while essentially negative, his soul was deeply confused and his negativity was not of service to the creator. Seems that is what happens when you attempt to graduate without adherence to the whole "51+% STO or 95+% STS, thing.

So that seems like a pretty good clue as to why it's gotta be at least those percentages.

This is the best I can currently do to answer these questions.

If I misunderstood them, my apologies for the confusion. I answered your questions as best as I could with the best understanding of what you were asking that I was able to work with.

[kristina]

I honestly have a hard time getting your analogy here, so forgive any possible misinterpretation. To be frank, I'm not really sure what you're on about right now. However, I shall respond to the best of my ability.

Okay, here goes....


"1+1=3 is not about my decision, my decision, my will, is to verify it or don't verify it (i.e. to accept blind faith)."


Listen, you asked a SUBJECTIVE question: "What is the fruit? (of the Law of One material)" and I tasked you with taking the prerequisite personal responsibility of interpreting this subjective question yourself. Why? Because it is a SUBJECTIVE question. You dislike the answer it seems, so you retort with the implication that an objective answer exists. ("2+2 does not equal 3") You did NOT ask an objective question there, so you cannot assert an objective answer. If you feel you HAVE the answer aleady, there is no point in asking, unless it was not truly a question, in which case please feel free to start arguments with somebody else.

Nonetheless, I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME. That is all anybody outside yourself can tell you when you ask a subjective question like "What is the fruit of the Law of One material?"

Moving on...

"I claim the polarization of STO/STS is not primary but secondary matter. The primary matter is subject, who serves to self/others (see John 8:42)"

Polarization is the process of you answering that question for yourself.

"Let's suppose I give you some great car* (an EU car, I am from EU, sorry). It is your first car and you are enthusiastic about it. I'll teach you how to drive but give you the instruction that the most important matter is the manual gear, gearing, not the road, the road is secondary. If you believe me, it'll kill you one day. I don't need to kill you myself, you will kill yourself and you will even be thankful for me."

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

I don't know what in your analogy you consider to be the equivalent of advising you to pay attention to the road, but surely, you can see how emphasizing the importance of presence and mindfulness is a good guess and makes a s*** ton of sense.

"Yes, but he also indicated the unimportance of some question (3.6). When the Ra saw strong interest in pyramids (because healing) he discouraged of it (4.8) and he didn't see disrespecting free will of such advise. Because it was implicitly evolved in the intention of the questioners (if the Ra wouldn't direct them and answered such kind of questions they could spent maybe theirs lives in it as a pyramid creators e.g.)"

I don't know what questions you in your infinite wisdom believe Ra was responsible for answering unasked, but the truth is, that is for Ra to decide, not you.

I mean, you are free to your own opinion, but it seems you are arguing with me as to how Ra should have best gone about doing whatever job you think Ra's job was. I don't really know how you figure your deliberately limited 3D understanding is somehow more competent than Ra's at figuring out the appropriate guidelines for not violating Confederation rules or breaking the Law of Confusion.

Hopefully though, when ypu reach late 6th density, you will have a betyer go of it.

You can choose to trust Ra's judgement or not on the matter but where you put your trust is your decision.

I really cannot answer for you why you should trust or care about anything Ra says or even why you should believe that the LOO material was a legitimate channeling, or whether it was a con, hoax, or delusional fantasy on the parts of Jim, Don and Carla or whatever. Again, that is up to you.

"Don was (physically) seriously ill and we can suppose all group wanted Don's health."

And?

"And the Ra answered some useless questions about a cat…"

Because that is what was asked.

Seems to me that you are essentially reading Jim, Carla and Don's spiritual Google search results and expressing dissatisfaction with the fact that the search query: "What's up with my cat?"

Didn't have a thing at the top saying "Did you mean 'What's up with Don's health?'"

And at that, we move onto the next bit:


"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

Ra's function in these channelings is less like that of a babysitter and more like that of an encyclopedia.

Just because the encyclopedia is sapient doesn't mean it was a dick move on the encyclopedia's part not to inform you of the spider in your boot. That is neither it's function, nor it's purpose in the affair.

As for how you can expect to find out there is a scorpion in your boot, there are 2 ways as I see it: 1 PAY ATTENTION and look in your boot, or b) don't pay attention
and find out unexpectedly.

Remember when you emphasized the importance of paying attention to the road in your analogy?

Well, Ra can't pay attention to the road for you and is not your GPS.

As for whether you could have known to pay attention to the road or not, again, the constant heavy emphasis on meditation and presence is that advice.

If you want an OBJECTIVE ANSWER as to why you must graduate 51+% positive or 95+% negative, the closest thing to an objective answer I can think of would be because those are the rules in this part of reality and you chose to subject yourself to them before incarnating.

Why did you do that? None but you can answer that.

Why are those the rules?

Well... As Ra said: "This not the density of understanding."

So don't expect a "2+2=4" type of answer. 3rd density is not the most suitable density for understanding that.

Still, if I were to make a guess, I theorize that maybe it is because that is the least amount of polarity needed for you to find clarity and meaning in your next stages of your spiritual seeking.

Remember Ra warning us about the dangers of attempting to graduate before you are truly ready?

It seems you do not.

In the LOO material, they asked about Hitler and Ra said Hitler drove himself insane trying to polarize too quickly and while essentially negative, his soul was deeply confused and his negativity was not of service to the creator. Seems that is what happens when you attempt to graduate without adherence to the whole "51+% STO or 95+% STS, thing.

So that seems like a pretty good clue as to why it's gotta be at least those percentages.

This is the best I can currently do to answer these questions.

If I misunderstood them, my apologies for the confusion. I answered your questions as best as I could with the best understanding of what you were asking that I was able to work with.

1+1=3 is not about my decision,

ROFLMAO

[EvolvingPhoenix]

As I can understand, according the Ra it is better to be polarized even to the negative path than not to be polarized.

that's the part i find extremely retarded

Look man, from what I can tell, the STS path runs on a kind of logic/philosophy so alien to most positive seekers that out of ignorance, people tend to just assume negative polarization is "retarded" when in reality, their understanding of the subject matter is too limited to make a competent assessment as to it's merits. Dunning Kruger effect in action.

Writing off something as "retarded" simply because you find it hard to understand is of no service to yourself OR others.

I would remind you however that we once did not have free will. Because we did not have free will, we did not have the OPTION of negativity. Because of that fact, the meaning we fpund in our positivity was perceived as less rich it seems than it is now that we have free will.

This is why we have free will, and therefor why the STS option is considered preferable I would think to no change. Maybe Im wrong, but that's my guess.

If you TRULY preffered stagnation to the possibility of your free will being enacted, I suspect you would not be here in the first place.

Still, you have the option of living without making use of your free will if you choose. According to Ra (when asked) that was like what? HALF of humanity?

Be warned though: the more you refuse oppprtunities for positive polarization, the less they appear, according to Ra. Don't get me wrong: I myself have lived a life not realizing my true will, but that too was a choice I guess. Who knows? Besides, this positive harvest and thinning veil swem to make it easier to manifest thise opportunities, so no pressure.

Point being though, that the STS path exists in large part it seems because serving as a contrast to the STO path helps give more meaning and substance to the STO path. Of what use would this be if one did not actually have a serious option and possibility for choosing the STS path?

Well, actually, my point is that you really can't expect to competently judge the merits of a choice you do not understand can you?

[kristina]

I edited my above post about a possible middle path, which was a bit negatively colored with my own distortions, to be a little more inquisitive and less negative, and point out that the tree of life seems to do depict the possibility of a consciously chosen middle path. Interesting implications. That being said, having to choose a polarity does NOT mean having to choose a rigid dogma. I'm STO, but the way I express that, all the little biases and colorings and differences in my process and methods for expressing what to my heart is the positive polarity, is unique, as is everyone's. There's no dogma or one way to express your polarity, though there are certain guidelines that form a framework for each polarity. The nuances are infinite, and the way each serves is totally unique, so no, you aren't necessarily forced to conform to a dogma that does not come from within your own heart.

The universe is undergoing a shift to make polarizing just a tiny bit less veiled, harsh, and miserable-with no veil the "porridge was too cold" and nobody polarized or made progress, now it's too hot and that's what's making our harvests small. These new energies will give even more freedom to express our polarity in more refined, unique, and beautiful ways that feel fulfilling and worthwhile.

This is a dense illusion as well which makes it very difficult for some to choose. To make a choice one may have to apply a little dedication seeing beyond the illusion or otherwise entities may be prone to creating an illusion within an illusion. Most people find it difficult to sit in stillness but for a few minutes without being totally distracted so....and perhaps you are correct, now the porridge is too hot.

[AnthroHeart]

I don't recall Ra saying that it's bad to not be polarized.
They called it the sinkhole of indifference, but didn't say it's worse than negative polarization.

4D negative is as close to hell as I can imagine. So how's that better than repeating a 3D cycle?

Although 3D can seem like hell at times too.

As I can understand, according the Ra it is better to be polarized even to the negative path than not to be polarized.

that's the part i find extremely retarded

[EvolvingPhoenix]

As I can understand, according the Ra it is better to be polarized even to the negative path than not to be polarized.

Is it better to bring up your child to be a full qualified (> 95%) criminal than don't bring up?
Is it better to be a human beast, like Himmler (35.5), than to be a lesser sinner or even lesser (<50%) good doer?

Hey guys, aren't you nuts?

I would remind you that use of terms such as "lesser" implies stratification. Stratification is utilized as a concept for negative seeking. In fact, they call it a "Law" in true Ledt Handed orders, according to Reaper.

"The Law of Stratification" posits that it is merely the natural way if things that those with stronger relative willpower utilize the energy of other-selves with lesser relative willpower in order to grow in strength as the "weaker" naturally sink beneath them. This is seen as natural and right, therefor justifying (for lack of a better word atm) their selfish actions. In fact, they believe it's doing ypu a favour because the struggle gives you the opportunity to become stronger or something like that, again, according to Reaper.

Positives do not seem to utilize stratification in their seeking.

I advise that you examine the mentality behind such word choices carefully. They may reveal something about the polarity of certain beleifs or perspectives one chooses to adopt.

[kraken99]

I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME.

I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then.

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]

"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?


If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME.

I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then.

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]

"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?



If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized.

"I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then."

Uh-huh. Like I said, what the fruit of studying the LOO is, is a choice only YOU are capable of making for yourself. I can tell you what it means for me, because since the question you are asking is subjective, I can ONLY answer it from MY perspective. Whether or not you are capable of understanding MY take on your open question is really YOUR business, not mine. exclusivity is not a precondition, it is a choice on your end. I cannot prescribe what you decide the fruits of the Law of One are for you. Nobody outside of yourself can. The subjectivity need not be exclusive. Feel free to agree with me or not. That is your choice. Also, feel free to understand a rather simple answer or not: "For me, the fruit of studying the Law of One has been healing and magick" if you cannot understand my SIMPLE answer, maybe your comprehension just isn't good enough to grasp the Law of One material. Or even managing to breath for that matter. The fact that you are alive must prove the existence of God, for it is nothing short of a miracle. Or maybe (more likely) you are just deliberately CHOOSING to be thick. And I will NOT be held accountable for YOU choosing to be thick. Nor will Ra.

"Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]"

Sorry buddy, but I've already seen THE s*** out of this video, ruining the point of your sharing it. If I had missed the gorilla, just what do you think you would have proven, hmm?

Fact of the matter is that at best, this amounts to an appeal to hypocrisy argument.

And if you believe that true presence is just impossible or whatever, then I guess, so is the possibility of your dumb ass not driving off a cliff. Sorry buddy. Guess you are too dumb to live. A cruel and unloving god has made you UNIQUELY daft, among all of infinity. I guess he did this for shits and giggles? I guess you really CAN'T be held responsible for the competence of your own driving.

But okay, since you can't be trusted with free will, I'll tell you what: just pray for somebody to come along and baby you. I GUARANTEE the One will hear your prayers and send you a babysitter. Now, granted, people who take it upon themselves to take the responsibility of others into their own hands have a tendency to be tyrannical, but apparently you cannot be trusted to do the driving yourself.

Because you have DECIDED you cannot be bothered to pay attention to the road.

Pray for a chauffer then. Just don't be surprised if somebody else behind the wheel takes you where THEY want you to go, not where YOU want to go. THEY'RE the ones behind the wheel after all. They have final say over where the car is heading.

Honestly, I don't know how to help you, because you seem to refuse to do s*** for yourself, and there is only so much anybody outside of yourself can do for you. Which leads me to he next bit...


"If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?"

Then I guess your f*****. Oh well too bad. Jesus, I honestly don't see what part of "the encyclopedia is not your babysitter" confuses you.


EDIT:

Missed this bit:

"If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized."


Remember the part where I said NOBODY can decide for you what you choose to believe? Yeah, that applies here. Honestly, this whole thing just comes across as you either

a) looking for somebody to PROVE to you the LOO material can be trusted (impossible, since none of the claims can be either proven or disproven)

b) Looking to start an argument for who-gives-a-s*** what reason, in which case, take it somewhere else. Nobody here is interested.

c) Looking to be spoonfed the answers to your life, in which case, the LOO is not for you. I suggest joining a religion.

or

d) some combination of the above.

In any of these cases, I cannot help you. Sorry.


Discernment is your responsibility alone. And since my discernment is MY responsibility, I can look for clues, but ultimately, I can never be sure I've got the right answers. THAT'S THE POINT OF 3D.

You can never be sure.

If that bothers you, OH WELL.

[flofrog]

a) looking for somebody to PROVE to you the LOO material can be trusted (impossible, since none of the claims can be either proven or disproven)

b) Looking to start an argument for who-gives-a-s*** what reason, in which case, take it somewhere else. Nobody here is interested.

c) Looking to be spoonfed the answers to your life, in which case, the LOO is not for you. I suggest joining a religion.

or

d) some combination of the above.

In any of these cases, I cannot help you. Sorry.


Discernment is your responsibility alone. And since my discernment is MY responsibility, I can look for clues, but ultimately, I can never be sure I've got the right answers. THAT'S THE POINT OF 3D.

You can never be sure.

If that bothers you, OH WELL.

EP you make me so smile, so often. I am so glad you are back here a little,

[Black Dragon]

I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME.

I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then.

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]

"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?



If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized.

"I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then."

Uh-huh. Like I said, what the fruit of studying the LOO is, is a choice only YOU are capable of making for yourself. I can tell you what it means for me, because since the question you are asking is subjective, I can ONLY answer it from MY perspective. Whether or not you are capable of understanding MY take on your open question is really YOUR business, not mine. exclusivity is not a precondition, it is a choice on your end.  I cannot prescribe what you decide the fruits of the Law of One are for you. Nobody outside of yourself can. The subjectivity need not be exclusive. Feel free to agree with me or not. That is your choice. Also, feel free to understand a rather simple answer or not: "For me, the fruit of studying the Law of One has been healing and magick" if you cannot understand my SIMPLE answer, maybe your comprehension just isn't good enough to grasp the Law of One material. Or even managing to breath for that matter. The fact that you are alive must prove the existence of God, for it is nothing short of a miracle. Or maybe (more likely) you are just deliberately CHOOSING to be thick. And I will NOT be held accountable for YOU choosing to be thick. Nor will Ra.

"Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]"

Sorry buddy, but I've already seen THE s*** out of this video, ruining the point of your sharing it. If I had missed the gorilla, just what do you think you would have proven, hmm?

Fact of the matter is that at best, this amounts to an appeal to hypocrisy argument.

And if you believe  that true presence is just impossible or whatever, then I guess, so is the possibility of your dumb ass not driving off a cliff. Sorry buddy. Guess you are too dumb to live. A cruel and unloving god has made you UNIQUELY daft, among all of infinity. I guess he did this for shits and giggles? I guess you really CAN'T be held responsible for the competence of your own driving.

But okay, since you can't be trusted with free will, I'll tell you what: just pray for somebody to come along and baby you. I GUARANTEE the One will hear your prayers and send you a babysitter. Now, granted, people who take it upon themselves to take the responsibility of others into their own hands have a tendency to be tyrannical, but apparently you cannot be trusted to do the driving yourself.

Because you have DECIDED you cannot be bothered to pay attention to the road.

Pray for a chauffer then. Just don't be surprised if somebody else behind the wheel takes you where THEY want you to go, not where YOU want to go. THEY'RE the ones behind the wheel after all. They have final say over where the car is heading.

Honestly, I don't know how to help you, because you seem to refuse to do s*** for yourself, and there is only so much anybody outside of yourself can do for you. Which leads me to he next bit...


"If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?"

Then I guess your f*****. Oh well too bad. Jesus, I honestly don't see what part of "the encyclopedia is not your babysitter" confuses you.


EDIT:

Missed this bit:

"If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized."


Remember the part where I said NOBODY can decide for you what you choose to believe? Yeah, that applies here. Honestly, this whole thing just comes across as you either

a) looking for somebody to PROVE to you the LOO material can be trusted (impossible, since none of the claims can be either proven or disproven)

b) Looking to start an argument for who-gives-a-s*** what reason, in which case, take it somewhere else. Nobody here is interested.

c) Looking to be spoonfed the answers to your life, in which case, the LOO is not for you. I suggest joining a religion.

or

d) some combination of the above.

In any of these cases, I cannot help you. Sorry.


Discernment is your responsibility alone. And since my discernment is MY responsibility, I can look for clues, but ultimately, I can never be sure I've got the right answers. THAT'S THE POINT OF 3D.

You can never be sure.

If that bothers you, OH WELL.

Although I selectively did not attend to counting how many times the ball was passed, it didn't take long to realize the point. It's the guy in all black with the white shoes that's going to slip people up.

[kristina]

I told you what the subjective answer is FOR ME.

I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then.

This is what I'm talking about when I say I don't get your analogy. The way I see it, presence is the equivalent of paying attention to the road when you are driving, and THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMPILATION of L/L Research books, Ra and other Confederation sources emphasize AD NAUSEUM the importance of presence, awareness and meditation.

Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]

"If you know in my boot is a scorpion inside and I want to put the boot on, don't you warn me?"

If I am a channeled late 6D being whose purpose is to answer your questions about spiritual evolution (and not to act as your babysitter) then no. That would defeat the point of you going on the journey to begin with. Ra is not supposed to give you the spoilers to your story. And if you are the questioner, it is not Ra's responsibility to ask your questions for you either.

"Because I am babbling something, didn't ask the right question and have free will?""

Yes, EXACTLY because that. Ra is not a 3D companion tasked with removing obstacles from your journey.

Ra is a source of information regarding the One-ness of all things (to the best of his late 6D understanding) and the evolution of consciousness through the first 6 out of 7 densities within the octave.

It would NOT be appropriate for Ra to warn you that a scorpion is in your boot without your consent.

If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?



If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized.

"I couldn't understand you if your answer wouldn't be (at least partially) FOR ME also. Your precondition of exclusive subjectivity is fiction, because it couldn't be shared then."

Uh-huh. Like I said, what the fruit of studying the LOO is, is a choice only YOU are capable of making for yourself. I can tell you what it means for me, because since the question you are asking is subjective, I can ONLY answer it from MY perspective. Whether or not you are capable of understanding MY take on your open question is really YOUR business, not mine. exclusivity is not a precondition, it is a choice on your end.  I cannot prescribe what you decide the fruits of the Law of One are for you. Nobody outside of yourself can. The subjectivity need not be exclusive. Feel free to agree with me or not. That is your choice. Also, feel free to understand a rather simple answer or not: "For me, the fruit of studying the Law of One has been healing and magick" if you cannot understand my SIMPLE answer, maybe your comprehension just isn't good enough to grasp the Law of One material. Or even managing to breath for that matter. The fact that you are alive must prove the existence of God, for it is nothing short of a miracle. Or maybe (more likely) you are just deliberately CHOOSING to be thick. And I will NOT be held accountable for YOU choosing to be thick. Nor will Ra.

"Try this test of awareness (if you don't know it of course). It takes cca 30 sec. but you must be fully aware/concentrated otherwise you will miss the point:
[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo [/video]"

Sorry buddy, but I've already seen THE s*** out of this video, ruining the point of your sharing it. If I had missed the gorilla, just what do you think you would have proven, hmm?

Fact of the matter is that at best, this amounts to an appeal to hypocrisy argument.

And if you believe  that true presence is just impossible or whatever, then I guess, so is the possibility of your dumb ass not driving off a cliff. Sorry buddy. Guess you are too dumb to live. A cruel and unloving god has made you UNIQUELY daft, among all of infinity. I guess he did this for shits and giggles? I guess you really CAN'T be held responsible for the competence of your own driving.

But okay, since you can't be trusted with free will, I'll tell you what: just pray for somebody to come along and baby you. I GUARANTEE the One will hear your prayers and send you a babysitter. Now, granted, people who take it upon themselves to take the responsibility of others into their own hands have a tendency to be tyrannical, but apparently you cannot be trusted to do the driving yourself.

Because you have DECIDED you cannot be bothered to pay attention to the road.

Pray for a chauffer then. Just don't be surprised if somebody else behind the wheel takes you where THEY want you to go, not where YOU want to go. THEY'RE the ones behind the wheel after all. They have final say over where the car is heading.

Honestly, I don't know how to help you, because you seem to refuse to do s*** for yourself, and there is only so much anybody outside of yourself can do for you. Which leads me to he next bit...


"If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?"

Then I guess your f*****. Oh well too bad. Jesus, I honestly don't see what part of "the encyclopedia is not your babysitter" confuses you.


EDIT:

Missed this bit:

"If you would be from the Orion, would you say it? No, you are not stupid. You would present yourself similarly like the Ra. I don't say the Ra is from the Orion, because I don't know it. But it is not good to open one's mouth and sit one's back and be sacredly hypnotized."


Remember the part where I said NOBODY can decide for you what you choose to believe? Yeah, that applies here. Honestly, this whole thing just comes across as you either

a) looking for somebody to PROVE to you the LOO material can be trusted (impossible, since none of the claims can be either proven or disproven)

b) Looking to start an argument for who-gives-a-s*** what reason, in which case, take it somewhere else. Nobody here is interested.

c) Looking to be spoonfed the answers to your life, in which case, the LOO is not for you. I suggest joining a religion.

or

d) some combination of the above.

In any of these cases, I cannot help you. Sorry.


Discernment is your responsibility alone. And since my discernment is MY responsibility, I can look for clues, but ultimately, I can never be sure I've got the right answers. THAT'S THE POINT OF 3D.

You can never be sure.

If that bothers you, OH WELL.

Although I selectively did not attend to counting how many times the ball was passed, it didn't take long to realize the point. It's the guy in all black with the white shoes that's going to slip people up.

Truthfully, I thought the gorilla was very clever for a 2nd density being, must be in the latter octave of the 2nd density. Note: that no one took great notice of him (typical 3rd density people) and chose to "only play ball with other 3rd density people". Lack of green ray as the green ray would have passed the ball to the gorilla to include him while understanding that the gorilla was also a part of the self. The animal self honoring the animal other self. I feel lack lusture regarding the choice of tennis shoes.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

"Typical third density people"?

...

Kristina, I like you. I don't wanna be rude, but... umm... that one kind of sounds like some separation s*** to me.

In fact the whole statement above kind of sounds like a kind of "better than those typical 3rd density people" thing.

Sorry, but that's just what's coming across when I read that.

[isis]

I don't recall Ra saying that it's bad to not be polarized.
They called it the sinkhole of indifference, but didn't say it's worse than negative polarization.

4D negative is as close to hell as I can imagine. So how's that better than repeating a 3D cycle?

Although 3D can seem like hell at times too.

As I can understand, according the Ra it is better to be polarized even to the negative path than not to be polarized.

that's the part i find extremely retarded

"The polarization or choosing of each mind/body/spirit is necessary for harvestability from third density." -Ra

"Those truly helpless are those who have not consciously chosen..." -Ra

That particular part of the material gets to me bc I have a friend that completely believes in the material that's trying to be so STS so as to get harvested and it just makes me sad. If they had never encountered the Ra material, they never would have hurt a fly.

"The Ra group calls it 'the sinkhole of indifference' when we're not polarizing. It's just a non-powerful position for souls. And once that choice is made, we become very powerful,..." -Crala

"Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises"

[kristina]

"Typical third density people"?

...

Kristina, I like you. I don't wanna be rude, but... umm... that one kind of sounds like some separation s*** to me.

In fact the whole statement above kind of sounds like a kind of "better than those typical 3rd density people" thing.

Sorry, but that's just what's coming across when I read that.

I was joking...it was a joke playing upon the ape and the ppl ignoring the ape as he passes through their group

[kristina]

"Typical third density people"?

...

Kristina, I like you. I don't wanna be rude, but... umm... that one kind of sounds like some separation s*** to me.

In fact the whole statement above kind of sounds like a kind of "better than those typical 3rd density people" thing.

Sorry, but that's just what's coming across when I read that.

I am sorry if my sense of humor upset anyone.....I only wanted the best for the ape. lol. I really did. Love y'all. I do.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Ahh... you were joking. Well now I look like a fool. HAHAHAHA XD

[kraken99]

If I had missed the gorilla, just what do you think you would have proven, hmm?

The gorilla is the one that takes control, unnoticed. You already are Orion's one, buddy.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

If you consider not being noticed to be the very same thing as taking control. It provides a means to use towards that end, if that's what you're gerting at, but is not in and of itself that end.

Regardless, you are using analogies to explain analogies to explain analogies. You make no attempt to explain the connection and make it clear what you are driving at. I cannot help you if you do not clarify your statements and if you view these statements as having some sort of purpose towards teaching others, you clearly do not care enough to clarify it to people not getting it, and none outside yourself run on the assumption anything you have to say is important enough that we must decode the confusing and (loosely at best) connected analogies.

I cannot help you answer your questions if you do not communicate your thoughts clearly, nor do I seek your wusdom or guidance. So I aint bothering to decode this kinda messy assortment of analogies.

You posed the question of what the fruit of the LOO was. I answered what fruit it has beared for me and tasked you with the responsibility of deciding for yourself what fruit it bears for you.

Clearly, this question was not asked in earnest seeking of an answer, but as a means of trying to assert an opinion nobody solicited.

I get why one would be frustrated with the transient questions Don asked as being of no use in real spiritual seeking, but at the same time I do not personally choose to throw the baby out with the bath water on that one.

As for polarization being of secondary importance to self awareness, I agree. If you are attempting to assert that the LOO material can be counterproductive in the seeking of individuals not just because it distracts them from the important task of self awareness with trivial bullshit Don wanted to include to sell the book, but also because it focuses more upon the graduation to harvest with stupid bullshit like percentage points and "making the grade" I also agree with you, but find your means of articulating these ideas to be unnecessarily confusing and counter productive. Poor English is no excuse because it is not your English that's the problem, but your approach. One could even say that if these are the points you are actually driving at (and I am not just giving you too much credit) that you are in fact mirroring the very flaws you find with Ra and the L/L group's approach: distract from the true meat of what you are trying to get across by overemphasizing stuff which does not matter. A clear and consice approach would have been more useful on both ends amd more productive.

As for your assertion that I am one of Orion, whatever dude. Believe whatever suits your ego, I don't give a s***.

Is there any other point you are trying to make here, or some sort of clarification you need on something? If not, I'm done discussing this further.

The fruit of the Law of One material is ultimately baried from individual to individual because differsnt individuals choose what they get out of it. I chose to get a better understanding of how the evolution throughout the densities and a refinement of the concepts which I had realized when I first awakened. Also, it was part of my early steps down the esoteric rabbit hole which helped me find clarity, healing and acvess to magick. That is the fruit I choose to get out of it. Not to mention the way it ultimatelt lead me to very important people on my seeking. A positive ripple effect can also be taken as a fruit beared by the LOO material. It surely is for me.

Others may choose to get nothung but transient information about spacemen, bigfoot, men in black, UFOs and other such things. That is the fruit they have chosen. One does not have to personally find such fruit substantive.

You have chosen to get NOTHING out of the LOO material it seems, so the fruit it bears for YOU is clearly nothing. It is of no use to yourself or others to then say that because you PERSONALLY chose to come away with nothing you deem substantive, means that nobody else can come away with something substantive from it. It is the responsibility of the individual seeker to decide what they choose to take away from it.

[flofrog]

I feel lack lusture regarding the choice of tennis shoes.

Really kristina ?

Lack of luster ?

[AnthroHeart]

I feel lack lusture regarding the choice of tennis shoes.

Really kristina ?

Lack of luster ?

lack·lus·ter
/ˈlakˌləstər/

adjective
adjective: lacklustre; adjective: lackluster; adjective: lack-lustre; adjective: lack-luster

lacking in vitality, force, or conviction; uninspired or uninspiring.

[flofrog]

Thanks Gem

[kristina]

I feel lack lusture regarding the choice of tennis shoes.

Really kristina ?

Lack of luster ?

yes. just the choice on footwear. I tried to lighten it up in here, on this thread.

[kraken99]

If you consider not being noticed to be the very same thing as taking control. It provides a means to use towards that end, if that's what you're gerting at, but is not in and of itself that end.

Regardless, you are using analogies to explain analogies to explain analogies. You make no attempt to explain the connection and make it clear what you are driving at. I cannot help you if you do not clarify your statements and if you view these statements as having some sort of purpose towards teaching others, you clearly do not care enough to clarify it to people not getting it, and none outside yourself run on the assumption anything you have to say is important enough that we must decode the confusing and (loosely at best) connected analogies.

I cannot help you answer your questions if you do not communicate your thoughts clearly, nor do I seek your wusdom or guidance. So I aint bothering to decode this kinda messy assortment of analogies.

You posed the question of what the fruit of the LOO was. I answered what fruit it has beared for me and tasked you with the responsibility of deciding for yourself what fruit it bears for you.

Clearly, this question was not asked in earnest seeking of an answer, but as a means of trying to assert an opinion nobody solicited.

I get why one would be frustrated with the transient questions Don asked as being of no use in real spiritual seeking, but at the same time I do not personally choose to throw the baby out with the bath water on that one.

As for polarization being of secondary importance to self awareness, I agree. If you are attempting to assert that the LOO material can be counterproductive in the seeking of individuals not just because it distracts them from the important task of self awareness with trivial bullshit Don wanted to include to sell the book, but also because it focuses more upon the graduation to harvest with stupid bullshit like percentage points and "making the grade" I also agree with you, but find your means of articulating these ideas to be unnecessarily confusing and counter productive. Poor English is no excuse because it is not your English that's the problem, but your approach. One could even say that if these are the points you are actually driving at (and I am not just giving you too much credit) that you are in fact mirroring the very flaws you find with Ra and the L/L group's approach: distract from the true meat of what you are trying to get across by overemphasizing stuff which does not matter. A clear and consice approach would have been more useful on both ends amd more productive.

As for your assertion that I am one of Orion, whatever dude. Believe whatever suits your ego, I don't give a s***.

Is there any other point you are trying to make here, or some sort of clarification you need on something? If not, I'm done discussing this further.

The fruit of the Law of One material is ultimately baried from individual to individual because differsnt individuals choose what they get out of it. I chose to get a better understanding of how the evolution throughout the densities and a refinement of the concepts which I had realized when I first awakened. Also, it was part of my early steps down the esoteric rabbit hole which helped me find clarity, healing and acvess to magick. That is the fruit I choose to get out of it. Not to mention the way it ultimatelt lead me to very important people on my seeking. A positive ripple effect can also be taken as a fruit beared by the LOO material. It surely is for me.

Others may choose to get nothung but transient information about spacemen, bigfoot, men in black, UFOs and other such things. That is the fruit they have chosen. One does not have to personally find such fruit substantive.

You have chosen to get NOTHING out of the LOO material it seems, so the fruit it bears for YOU is clearly nothing. It is of no use to yourself or others to then say that because you PERSONALLY chose to come away with nothing you deem substantive, means that nobody else can come away with something substantive from it. It is the responsibility of the individual seeker to decide what they choose to take away from it.

EvolvingPhoenix, why so much words?

"If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?"

Then I guess your f*****. Oh well too bad. Jesus...

Jesus helped even dead Lazarus. He healed how he could. Will you call him babysitter?

You even don't want give me information that can save my life. And you suppose you are STO. It's crazy.

[kristina]

"Typical third density people"?

...

Kristina, I like you. I don't wanna be rude, but... umm... that one kind of sounds like some separation s*** to me.

In fact the whole statement above kind of sounds like a kind of "better than those typical 3rd density people" thing.

Sorry, but that's just what's coming across when I read that.

Hey I actually think you are pretty awesome yourself

[EvolvingPhoenix]

If you consider not being noticed to be the very same thing as taking control. It provides a means to use towards that end, if that's what you're gerting at, but is not in and of itself that end.

Regardless, you are using analogies to explain analogies to explain analogies. You make no attempt to explain the connection and make it clear what you are driving at. I cannot help you if you do not clarify your statements and if you view these statements as having some sort of purpose towards teaching others, you clearly do not care enough to clarify it to people not getting it, and none outside yourself run on the assumption anything you have to say is important enough that we must decode the confusing and (loosely at best) connected analogies.

I cannot help you answer your questions if you do not communicate your thoughts clearly, nor do I seek your wusdom or guidance. So I aint bothering to decode this kinda messy assortment of analogies.

You posed the question of what the fruit of the LOO was. I answered what fruit it has beared for me and tasked you with the responsibility of deciding for yourself what fruit it bears for you.

Clearly, this question was not asked in earnest seeking of an answer, but as a means of trying to assert an opinion nobody solicited.

I get why one would be frustrated with the transient questions Don asked as being of no use in real spiritual seeking, but at the same time I do not personally choose to throw the baby out with the bath water on that one.

As for polarization being of secondary importance to self awareness, I agree. If you are attempting to assert that the LOO material can be counterproductive in the seeking of individuals not just because it distracts them from the important task of self awareness with trivial bullshit Don wanted to include to sell the book, but also because it focuses more upon the graduation to harvest with stupid bullshit like percentage points and "making the grade" I also agree with you, but find your means of articulating these ideas to be unnecessarily confusing and counter productive. Poor English is no excuse because it is not your English that's the problem, but your approach. One could even say that if these are the points you are actually driving at (and I am not just giving you too much credit) that you are in fact mirroring the very flaws you find with Ra and the L/L group's approach: distract from the true meat of what you are trying to get across by overemphasizing stuff which does not matter. A clear and consice approach would have been more useful on both ends amd more productive.

As for your assertion that I am one of Orion, whatever dude. Believe whatever suits your ego, I don't give a s***.

Is there any other point you are trying to make here, or some sort of clarification you need on something? If not, I'm done discussing this further.

The fruit of the Law of One material is ultimately baried from individual to individual because differsnt individuals choose what they get out of it. I chose to get a better understanding of how the evolution throughout the densities and a refinement of the concepts which I had realized when I first awakened. Also, it was part of my early steps down the esoteric rabbit hole which helped me find clarity, healing and acvess to magick. That is the fruit I choose to get out of it. Not to mention the way it ultimatelt lead me to very important people on my seeking. A positive ripple effect can also be taken as a fruit beared by the LOO material. It surely is for me.

Others may choose to get nothung but transient information about spacemen, bigfoot, men in black, UFOs and other such things. That is the fruit they have chosen. One does not have to personally find such fruit substantive.

You have chosen to get NOTHING out of the LOO material it seems, so the fruit it bears for YOU is clearly nothing. It is of no use to yourself or others to then say that because you PERSONALLY chose to come away with nothing you deem substantive, means that nobody else can come away with something substantive from it. It is the responsibility of the individual seeker to decide what they choose to take away from it.

EvolvingPhoenix, why so much words?

"If the scorpion is not enough, how about a professionally hidden antipersonnel mine on my road? Of course I cannot give you my consent to inform me because I am clueless about the mine I am stepping on. Let me die, buddy?"

Then I guess your f*****. Oh well too bad. Jesus...

Jesus helped even dead Lazarus. He healed how he could. Will you call him babysitter?

You even don't want give me information that can save my life. And you suppose you are STO. It's crazy.

Who in the hell said I suppose myself STO?

Why do you aasume I assume this about myself and why do you care about the LABEL of STO?

Do you think concerning yourself with the LABEL of STO is STO?  Self labeling is for the ego. Ask yourself if concerning yourself with egotistical self labeling is actually a positive practice in nature and do so honestly. Or don't. You are free to hide from true self awareness if you like, but then I find myself wondering why it would  even matter if the LOO channelings contained only info useful for self awareness and healing or not?

My attempt to relay the truth is at least somewhat attempting to be of service to you.

Why so many words? Well because I actually CARE about what is being discussed.

So the question isn't "Why so many words?" The real question is "Why do you give this mych of a s***?"

And THAT is at this point a good question.

And the fact of the matter is you are deliberately obfuscating your own understanding of everything I say when I attempt to help you by telling you the truth.

Suppose I were STS. Would that suddenly invalidate the truth I spoke?

Or do you simply write off any idea presented by an STS source simply because it is STS?  

Jesus and Ra are not in the same situation AND YOU KNOW THIS. One was incarnated in 3D and the other is a 6D being operating on specific Confederation guidelines in order to respect free will of those under the veil.

Once again, you are DELIBERATELY obfuscating things.

You clearly do not give a s*** about my answers to any of your questions. Nor do you give a s*** about what the answer is. Or you feel you have the answers and just came here to proselytize to people who, again, did not solicit your opinion. Either way I don't give a s***.


You merely want to argue. I told you earlier that if you want to argue, take it somewhere else.

"Why so many words?" Indeed. Why waste my time. You are clearly not here to discuss. You are here to joust. I do not care to joust. And I do not care to waste my time any further with this pointless interaction.

If you want answers spoonfed to you, go join a religion. If you want to proselytize without people offering different opinions, go START a religion. If you want to engage in pointless arguments on the internet without too many words being used, this forum is not the place for that either. I would suggest Twitter. PERFECT PLACE for exactly that.

Either way, I'm done here.

Have a good day. Or night if that's what it is in your part if the world. Whatever.

Peace out.

[kraken99]

Do you think concerning yourself with the LABEL of STO is STO?  Self labeling is for the ego. Ask yourself if concerning yourself with egotistical self labeling is actually a positive practice in nature and do so honestly. Or don't. You are free to hide from true self awareness if you like, but then I find myself wondering why it would  even matter if the LOO channelings contained only info useful for self awareness and healing or not?

I use STO term because Ra is based on it, accepts it, teaches it. And Ra is the authority for you. And we are in the strict Ra material section.

Jesus and Ra are not in the same situation AND YOU KNOW THIS. One was incarnated in 3D and the other is a 6D being operating on specific Confederation guidelines in order to respect free will of those under the veil.

Once again, you are DELIBERATELY obfuscating things.

Firstly and again, don't suppose Ra says holy words only. 6D is term of Ra, not Jesus or ours. I don't deny it and I don't gorping at it.
Secondly, don't underestimate 3D. Ra accept Buddha and Buddha reached the octave (see 42.15, 47.8).

You clearly do not give a s*** about my answers to any of your questions. Nor do you give a s*** about what the answer is.

Maybe. Because you run away from the core: "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." (Matthew 25:40) It is true STO, if you see others as you. And I mirror it to the Ra and it bothers you.

I agree our discussion is exhausted. Be open and good luck.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I can't help you man. Sorry.

[kraken99]

I can't help you man. Sorry.

One of the great contribution is Ra's viewing of mutual relationship teaching/learning.

Thanks guys, I learned a lot.