26.21:

"Questioner:
Could you give us an example from Hiroshima or Nagasaki of
how this is done?

Ra:
I am Ra. Those who were destroyed, not by radiation, but by the
trauma of the energy release, found not only the body/mind/spirit complex
made unviable, but also a disarrangement of that unique vibratory complex
you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a
mind/body/spirit complex, to be completely disarranged without possibility of
re-integration. This would be the loss to the Creator of part of the
Creator and thus we were given permission, not to stop the events, but to
ensure the survival of the, shall we say, disembodied mind/body/spirit
complex."

Is Ra stating here that a soul could be so disarrenged that it would be impossible to re-integrate it? And also that this would be a loss to the Creator (implying that the creator can actually loose something, let alone a soul that is)?

Yahweh, is mostly used to refer to a group in the material but it seems like in 24.9 it is used to refer to a dude. Is this Jesus? And what is the "old Yahweh" in 24.6?

Quote:52.9 Questioner: Well, I would just include the question as to why time of harvest is selected by so many Wanderers as time for incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. There are several reasons for incarnation during harvest. They may be divided by the terms self and other-self.

The overriding reason for the offering of these Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow in incarnative states is the possibility of aiding other-selves by the lightening of the planetary consciousness distortions and the probability of offering catalyst to other-selves which will increase the harvest.

There are two other reasons for choosing this service which have to do with the self.

The Wanderer, if it remembers and dedicates itself to service, will polarize much more rapidly than is possible in the far more etiolated realms of higher-density catalyst.

The final reason is within the mind/body/spirit totality or the social memory complex totality which may judge that an entity or members of a societal entity can make use of third-density catalyst to recapitulate a learning/teaching which is adjudged to be less than perfectly balanced. This especially applies to those entering into and proceeding through sixth density wherein the balance between compassion and wisdom is perfected.

I'll try explane my point.

First, recently I recommended a trilogy of books in this thread: http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=14350

The author experimented the "spheric time". In this state past, present and future are just points of a sphere.

This is very similar to these passages of "The Material Ra":

Quote:We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Quote:16.22 Questioner: Thank you very much. In previous material, before we communicated with you, it was stated by the Confederation that there is actually no past or future… all is present. Would this be a good analogy?

Ra: I am Ra. There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

I understand we are here to learn and "wake up" as far as who we are, etc. But what happens to people who are killed unnaturally, say a car accident? Does that mean the person learned their lessons and it was time for them to go, or they are so far off their path of learning with no chance to "wake up", that they are killed for a 3rd density "do over'? Is it Karma? Thanks.

When does subjectivity end/begin?

At what stage of evolution will I cease to think or feel in terms of "I"? Perhaps the second half of seventh density, when the looking backwards stops? Or maybe upon the completion of the Logos? When does the "I" dissolve into unity? Between Logos, does "I"/subjectivity first dissolve into unity, before beginning a new creation?

The octave density seems to be so far beyond any possible manifestation, yet Ra mentions the council of Saturn is of the octave density and dwells in its rings...this perplexes me...

I realize there is no correct answer, but I would love to hear some thoughts.

In Ra material it is said "the first thing known in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation".


When infinity became known a simulacrum of awareness came into being.
Ra described this by saying "The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned due to freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity."

Infinity and finity are reciprocal of each other when a backdrop of unity is assumed. As Ra defined after the awareness infinity became intelligent as a principle, the product is one. AS infinity has no limit concepts discerned from this relation possess free reach of energy

The entity says "the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness."
I see this as being the development of logic, synonymous with force. Free will is something derived from the reciprocal between infinity and finity as a conscious principle.

To confirm the idea logos is a force as the principle of intelligent infinity, Ra said "Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy"

As the acting principle intelligent infinity is the order of reality. The investment of awareness into the exploration of manyness is in a sense the logic behind this reciprocal. As each instance of finity has free reach, invests or explores it appears in holographic style.

Ra said "The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force, this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire creation no matter which direction or energy is explored."

Ra goes on to say "These patterns of energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes."
Since intelligent infinity in my opinoin may be described as logos budding from the reciprocal relationship between infinity and finity as manyness, I assume by "local" Ra means that logic that appears to be conflicting regularizes it own dimension(s) or/and universe(s). The basis for this is intelligent infinity as an aware or conscious principle. The investment this principle makes into the exploration of manyness is the free reach for each to appear in holographic style

Ra has not talked about physical universes. The entity has been describing it's understanding or as we know logos discerned by it's knowledge of "the forces of one." Oneness may be seen as the unifying factor. Each "local" appearing in holographic style may develop a logos distinct from other outpourings of free will. Ra mentions these outpourings are at first random. Meaning, each exploration of free will has a unique logos or logic behind reciprocal perception between infinity and finity.

Ra says "The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators."

At this point all possible basis for the reciprocal became a referent. We typically use zero to represent this, but at this point there are no integer values
Ra goes on to say "Thus the so-called physical matter began." The entity assert light is the building block infering light as a disortion of intelligent infinity. Logos or "infinite energy" operates as a subset of both light and intelligent infinity. This allows for holographic explorations (dimensions and universe) of each co-creative outpouring to be unified yet individualized As Ra asserts light is a distortion of intelligent infinity the entity saying "...thus(light) being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

I assume the reciprocal has a referent once physical matter began. Intelligent infinity and it's disortion within physical matter is able to induce light to move in patterns from beyond it using logos in nonphysical dimensions and universe. I believe this is referred to as logos(love) of light. Light itself is also (though a distortion) is a (called) conscious principle.
The entity also calls (light) "...vibrational distortion of infinity..". Light allows a referent for logos of the intelligent infinity to operate. The entity says, "its(light of love) occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it.
I believe this supports a reciprocal and referent. As Ra then says "This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular."


Ra asserts there is intelligent infinity, logos(love), and lights. The conscious principle due to awareness possess infinite energy(logos). All states of mass are built of the conscious principle. Every co-creator (celestial) possesses a referent from which it emanates energy.
What can be best described, "paradoxically described by the straight line" is an interaction in space and time. If we carry forward the idea of a reciprocal then there is time and space.
In other sessions, Ra has said, "time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws"


We already know our space time continuum has natural laws. Ra suggests there is a time space continuum with it's own set of laws.

Ra asserts three concepts to explain all phenomena. These being the principles behind existence are described as laws: free will,  love(logos) and light. Interactions within and between the time space continuum and the space time continuum are the physics and metaphysics, to paraphrase what Ra says in another session.


 

I recently read a passage that had never really stuck with me before, but sparked my imagination:

Quote:77.24
Questioner: When our Logos designed this particular evolution of experience It decided to use the system of which we spoke creating, or allowing for, polarization through total free will. How is this different from the Logos that does not do this? I see the Logos creating the possibility of increase in vibration through the densities. Let me ask first: How are the densities provided for and set up by the Logos, if you can answer this?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working. The psychic attack upon this instrument has, shall we say, left scars which must be tended, in our own opinion, in order to maintain the instrument.

Let us observe your second density. Many come more rapidly to third density than others not because of an innate efficiency of catalysis but because of unusual opportunities for investment. In just such a way those of fourth density may invest third, those of fifth density may invest fourth. When fifth density has been obtained the process takes upon itself a momentum based upon the characteristics of wisdom when applied to circumstance. The Logos Itself, then, in these instances provides investment opportunities, if you wish to use that term. May we enquire if there are any brief queries at this space/time?

Quote:90.24
Questioner: Were there any other circumstances, biases, consequences, or plans set up by the Logos other than those we have discussed for the evolution of Its parts through the densities?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

90.25
Questioner: What were these?
Ra: I am Ra. One more; that is, the permeability of the densities so that there may be communication from density to density and from plane to plane or sub-density to sub-density.

The first thing in creation is infinity. Then infinity became aware.

Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy, or Love.

Was infinite awareness impelled by the Joy of Being?

Did the bliss/delight/joy of unity lead to an intensification/concentration of that bliss/delight/joy into a focus?

Why was Love the first thought of infinite awareness? Why did it perceive/conceive Love?

Did infinite awareness perceive unity, and Love was the closest approximation of Itself?

I've had some kind of spiritual experience 4 years ago. Since then, I have read, read, read, thought, thought, thought about it... And in many regards, it feels like I haven't done that much concretely. I'm still confused about many different things and concepts on a daily basis. So, this is some kind of "warning" for other seekers:

Ivory Tower: environment of intellectual pursuit disconnected from the practical concerns of everyday life.

To learn, but not to practice.

And yesterday I found two very interesting quotes while reading the Ra Material and the Wanderer's handbook:

From the Handbook:

"The brothers and sisters of Q’uo say:

We do not see ourselves as being wiser than those within third density but merely in a somewhat different illusion, and, therefore, in some-
what different circumstances. Yet we, as you, seek to know and yet do not know. We simply have come to hold fairly settled opinions, and, as is the way of things spiritual, our truths move constantly into the unknown, as do your own. Thusly, there is always the contradiction, the tangle, the knot of attempting to understand that which can only be embodied"

And from the Ra Material:

"16.39 Questioner: I am assuming it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from third to fourth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density."

Those quotes remind me of the famous one by Socrates: "All I know is I know nothing"

So, I guess that trying to understand and intellectual pursuit are fine, as long as it's mostly for curiosity and to grasp concepts better while "working on the field", so to speak. My feeling is that intellectual pursuit with the objective of "understanding everything" or "getting to the finish line" will just never end and will ultimately be pointless if it's not paired with concrete actions...