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What is the Ra group's theism when they speak of "the One Infinite Creator"?

How does this theism affect the role of evolution using the stages of metamonism and of polarity and reincarnation as a means of evolving towards becoming a transcendent co-creator (like becoming a next octave Guardian or gaining infinite spiritual mass)?
   
What about when the Quo group speak of a "Godhead" which means "Supreme Being" or when the Hatonn group speak of the "Father" which sounds like a Christian version of an anthropomorphic father figure? 

And what is the Orion alliance's version of a Creator? How does their theistic philosophy motivate them to feel and behave the way they do?
 
These seem like interesting and scholarly questions to address for a LOO scholar.

I'm no LOO scholar but do like the more loose and creative R&D approach which allows this theism topic to be explored, and so with that, on to the topic.
 
The Ra group make reference to a mysterious and transcendent Creator God or Prime Mover and so this part describes a basic transcendent monotheistic God.
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References are:
"the Creator desires to know Itself"
"in the previous octave there is the mover and the moved"
"I greet you in the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator"
"Go forth and rejoice in the power and peace of the One Creator"

They also make reference to the Creator God as subdividing to become everything in the Universe to the extent where "every thought is the Creator's" and "every particle of light is the Creator" etc, and this reflects a potentially known and immanent pantheistic God. Potentially known implies no mystery or infinite beingness to aspire towards.

A quick note to clarify in session 14

Quote:the entities of the nation Egypt were in a state of pantheism, as you may call the distortion toward separate worship of various portions of the Creator.

Quote:Einstein wrote, "We followers of Spinoza see our God in the wonderful order and lawfulness of all that exists and in its soul as it reveals itself in man and animal," "My father -- Carl Sagan -- believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature, but as nature, equivalent to it."

I'm watching a show on the history channel and they are trying to determine why such shafts exist. Some say they are for ventilation,  others say for stargazing. Interestingly,  the North shaft lines up to what was the north star at that time which isn't our North star now. More interesting is that the south facing shaft points directly to the orion constellation and more specifically orions belt. 

Does anyone remember Ra talking about these shafts or would it be possible to ask Q'uo for further clarification of these shafts? 

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The Creator/Explorer dynamic springs from Plenum's input in the What is Ra's Monism thread.

I think this topic deserves its own thread b/c it has potential to be illuminating on many levels. The illuminating aspects will be discussed further down but first the basis for calling this the Creator/Explorer dynamic and not something else like the Creator/Destroyer dynamic which would seem to be a natural polar dynamic. (and perhaps can be discussed in later posts)

To begin, thanks goes to Plenum for bringing attention to this Ra group quote in the What is Ra's Monism thread.

Quote:The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

Quote:The Creator does not strictly or purely create as much as It experiences Itself.

Inspired by a quote Plenum brought up in another thread:

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=5#2 :

"Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself."


This is a somewhat new concept for me to work with despite the fact I have been reading/skimming through the Law of One for a few years now. I guess I am ready for this lesson so its being brought to the forefront of my attention.

How do you all see this balancing taking place? Hypothetical scenarios would be helpful.

I am working towards bringing my attention towards this in my daily life. I figure, in my ignorance, bringing the opposite polarity of the charge I am experiencing to the forefront of my mind will eventual yield a clearer understanding of why this is useful to do. I have a grasp on the overall idea I feel that being Positivity and Negativity, for example are two sides of the same coin. I have been trying working with this concept/semtiment with just about everything. Hot/Cold, Wet/Dry, Happy/Angry, Nervous/Relaxed. It still hasn't touched my heart in meaning yet but I am at the feet of the Guru trusting that its meaning will be revealed to me in direct experience by keeping the concept/sentiment it in my awareness.

We are told that we are the result of an experiment which is part of a great number of successive experiments.

I don't remember the Ra material stating what this experiment is an experiment of for the Logos itself, which leaves a door to interpretation.

So what do you think it is an experiment of ultimately?

My take is that it is an experiment of unconditional love.

Quote:52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control, shall I say, in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance?

Ra: I am Ra. In actuality these things are of importance in third through early seventh densities. The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

During the course of the Ra Contact, the term Egypt appears in 38 different Q&As. Of those, Ra prefaces the use of the word "Egypt" or "Egyptian" with, "what you now call," or "which you call," or "in the area you know of as."

Seems those we now call Egyptians called themselves something entirely differently.

From Robert Bauval's new book The Soul of Ancient Egypt: Restoring the Spiritual Engine of the World

http://grahamhancock.com/bauvalosman1/
What’s in a Name?


When Shakespeare wrote Romeo and Juliet, he pondered on the violent feud between the noble families of the Capulets and Montagues and their obsession with their name. This prompted the English bard to ask the rhetorical question: “what’s in a name?” He then gave his reply by saying “that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”1 To an ancient Egyptian, however, such a concept would have been completely alien. Things had to be called by their correct allocated name and no other. For it was only the correct name and its proper utterance that made vocal the soul of the object or person so named. Names became talismans, magical devices imbued with an invisible, immaterial, and immeasurable energy that, when correctly dispatched, would force the mind to unleash the most potent of emotions and the deepest of thoughts. An Egyptian would not, therefore, hesitated to reply to Shakespeare question with those words: “to lose my name is to lose my soul.”

“Unlike modern society, the ancient Egyptians recognized the true importance of the name (Egyptian ren). Giving a name to a newborn was therefore a sacred act for any Egyptian parent. Speaking or writing his/her ren gave ‘existence’ to a person, both in life but also for eternity—so long as that name was perpetuated in eternal stone—to be read and uttered by devout descendants or a mere passersby. To chisel out or erase a name was to kill a person in the afterlife. To forget a name was to make it ‘non-existent’ . . . to the Egyptian mind, the ren was as important as the soul because, through the continuing memory of that name, the being—or on a grander scale the civilization bearing that name—continued to exist beyond time.”

Today the world refers to the long and narrow fertile strip running from the border of Sudan in the south to the shores of the Mediterranean in the north, as “Egypt.” This name is universally accepted as being true and correct for this country. As for the people who inhabit it today, they are called not only “Egyptians” but also “Arabs.” It thus often comes as a surprise when one is told that these names are not original or even native to this country. The name “Egypt” was coined by Greeks colons in the 4th century CE, and it is a corruption from the name Koptos, itself a corruption of Gebtu, the name of an ancient area in the south of the country, probably as ancient as 3000 BCE.” The name of the country that was most commonly used by the ancient Egyptians themselves was Kemet. According to Egyptologists, this name means “The Black Land”, and derives from the black alluvial soil which was deposited by the annual flooding of the river Nile.” But others contest this explanation, and propose that the name Kemet stems from the inhabitants themselves or, to be more precise, the color of their skin. It is highly likely that the original inhabitants of Egypt were dark or black-skinned Africans; a fact that can be ascertained even today by the dark-skinned Nubian people who live in the southern part of the country. That Kemet may indeed mean ‘The Land of the Blacks’ is also supported by discoveries made recently in the Egyptian Sahara on rock art left by prehistoric black-skinned populace, found in caves in the remote mountain regions of Gilf Kebir and Jebel Uwainat. The name, therefore, would then read “Land of the Black-skinned” or simple “Black Country”. These names tally with the notion that the earliest settlers of the Nile Valley were Negroid Africans who came from the Sahara around 5000 BCE. We are not suggesting, of course, that Egypt should now be called Kemet (although there are some who advocate that it should). What we do think, however, is that it important to highlight this original name so that modern Egyptians be reminded of their true ancestral origins and, more importantly, how perhaps its soul came to be.

Returning to the term “Arab”, this has vague origins. Strictly speaking, though, it should only denote the people who inhabit the Arabia Peninsula. Today the term is used to encompass most of the Middle East and the Levant. The Arab League, the Middle East’s equivalent of The United Nations, officially defines an Arab as being “a person whose language is Arabic, who lives in an Arabic-speaking country, and who is in sympathy with the aspirations of the Arabic-speaking peoples.” Since modern Egypt has an Arabic-speaking population of eighty-six million people, making it by far the most legitimate candidate, if one goes by The Arab League’s definition, to be regarded as the quintessential “Arab State”. This is in any case reflected by official name it has given itself: The Arab Republic of Egypt (A.R.E). Strictly speaking, however, defining Egyptians as “Arabs” and Egypt an “Arab State” can only be historically correct after 642 CE i.e. after the Arab/Moslem invasion. Let us note that it is after 642 CE that the name of the country was changed to Misr. The terms Misr and Misrayin come from the Hebraic name “Mizraim” found in the Bible and used for “Egypt” by people of the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula. Foreign early civilizations and nations in the Middle East referred to the land of the pharaohs as Musri, Musur, or Misri. Even the biblical text personifies this name by associating the Egyptian civilization with a legendary eponymous founder named “Mizraim”—the son of Ham and grandson of Noah—(the Hebrew -im being a plural ending used to indicate “tribe of” or “descendants of”). So the Semitic-speaking peoples and even some of the Indo-European nations further north (such as the Hittites) knew Egypt as Musri, Misri, or Mizra. And from this come the classical Arabic (West-Semitic) name Misr (Egypt) and the more colloquial Arabic Masri (an Egyptian). The name Misr or Masr is used both for the country itself and, confusingly, also for the modern city of Cairo even though its official modern Arabic name is Al Kahira. Thus an Egyptian living in Cairo may claim to live at Misr, meaning the city of Cairo and not the country itself. Let us try, however, to now imagine “Egypt” before it became a state, before humans even settled there. Let us begin the search for its soul on a clean slate.

Where's the free will in pre incarnative choices, as I understand they're not only bound to physical distortions, they also affect the places you will be at and the people you will meet. These last two are part of space/time, part of a future that does not exist, how is that then not breaking the law of free will?
Pre incanative choices, destiny, balancing of Karma, all of them in a future that is yet to come, what if I don't want these things, how is a choice made before entering space/time allow a set of rules for your life?

Quote:36.7 Questioner: In that case my higher self would, shall we say, have a very large advantage in knowing precisely what was needed since it would know what… as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The higher self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the higher self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.

Thus the higher self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the higher self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.

Is Sirius part of Orion?  ( I guess a sub-question is, Does every channeled being that is associated with Sirius have an evil association with the bad guys? Thinking specifically of Bashar. )

Is everyone associated with Orion part of the bad guys?

Yes, I know all is part of the ONE, but let's face it, Ra does imply there are some unsavory characters out there.

Thanks for simple and comprehensible answers.

So one of the biggest defining traits of our 3D experience is the experience of the veil between our conscious and unconscious minds. Don and Ra spend a very long portion of their time discussing experience before the veil. It was long before I realized the true value in this experience was giving a juxtaposition of why we use the veil. It is also the perfect introduction into the archetypes of the mind, as most archetypes were not conceived before the veil.

The veil creates the illusion of separation, between our minds and our bodies, us and each other, and the Creator.

The veil has been refined over several Logoi since its inception. But at first, there was no veil. Ra says with no veil there was no STS, but there was also no free will.

Quote:77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

Quote:77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Quote:82.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Quote:78.21 Questioner: You stated previously that The Choice that is made in this density, third density, is the axis upon which the creation turns. Could you expand on your reason for making that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a statement of the nature of creation as we speak to you.

Category: Cosmology

78.22 Questioner: I did not understand that. Could you say that in a different way?

Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is further the nature of that Logos.

The original Logos’s experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more. Therefore we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. As you understand, if we may use this misnomer, magic, the magical potential in third and fourth density was then far greater than after the change. However, there was far, far less desire or will to use this potential.

Quote:82.18 Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process, there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization. What sort of societies and experiences in third density were created and evolved in this condition?

Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

Quote:82.28 Questioner: OK. This is the central important point. Why, then, was it so— You’ve answered this, but it seems to me that if the polarization was the obvious thing that more effort would have been put forward to polarize. Let me see if I can state this… Before the veil there was an awareness of the need for polarization towards service to others in third density by all entities, whether incarnate in third-density, yellow-ray bodies or whether in between incarnations. What was the— I assume, then, that the condition of which we earlier spoke, the one of wealth you might say, was present through the entire spectrum of experience whether it be between incarnations or during incarnation and the entities just simply could not [chuckling] get up the desire or manifest the desire to create this polarization necessary for graduation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You begin to grasp the situation. Let us continue the metaphor of the schooling but consider the scholar as being an entity in your younger years of the schooling process. The entity is fed, clothed, and protected regardless of whether or not the schoolwork is accomplished. Therefore, the entity does not do the homework but rather enjoys playtime, mealtime, and vacation. It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel.

Quote:83.16 Questioner: What techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other than those planned?

Ra: I am Ra. There were none planned by the first great experiment. As all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. The outcome was unknown. It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. The desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.

The various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

83.17 Questioner: Could you expand on what you mean by that interaction of polarized entities in piercing the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall state two items of note. The first is the extreme potential for polarization in the relationship of two polarized entities which have embarked upon the service-to-others path or, in some few cases, the service-to-self path. Secondly, we would note that effect which we have learned to call the doubling effect. Those of like mind which together seek shall far more surely find.

83.18 Questioner: Specifically, by what process in the first case, when two polarized entities would attempt to penetrate the veil, whether they be positively or negatively polarized— specifically by what technique would they penetrate the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. The penetration of the veil may be seen to begin to have its roots in the gestation of green-ray activity, that all-compassionate love which demands no return. If this path is followed the higher energy centers shall be activated and crystallized until the adept is born. Within the adept is the potential for dismantling the veil to a greater or lesser extent that all may be seen again as one. The other-self is primary catalyst in this particular path to the piercing of the veil, if you would call it that.